Why are people mad at this man for getting women to give him $1.3M?

[Vegasrunner]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/man-posing-san-francisco-49er-charged-defrauding-over-two-dozen-women-out-more-13

[jshm2]

It's called "Fraud" sunny,

Trump may be able to get away with it, But that guy isn't Trump.

[Vegasrunner]

@jshm2 Whats the fraud? Did someone force them to give him money?

[fishbone77]

um. because they committed fraud? Are you that stupid?

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Whats the fraud? Thought they said the women willingly gave him the money?

[fishbone77]

literally right here, dummy: Love and Chan created fictitious investments to defraud numerous women in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and California

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Who gives someone money for an investment without know what the investment is?

[fishbone77]

People scammed by fraudsters. As Bernie Madoff’’s victims.

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Weren't Madoff victims investing in his fund? If I understand correctly these women gave him money because he said he would invest it.

[fishbone77]

maybe you dont understand the facts of the case and should read up a bit more.

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Lol, I personall know the guy who they are cussing. So I know the facts much better than you.

[fishbone77]

lol, no you don't.

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 I absolutely do, and we argue he just took one of my plays to a higher level.

[fishbone77]

uh huh.

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Used to do a similar thing when I was younger. Woman are so gullible.

[fishbone77]

sure you did, chief.

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 You think its difficult? How many women have you actually been with?

[fishbone77]

This is a hilarious character you are playing

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Because the truth makes you feel bad?

[fishbone77]

lol "truth".

[Vegasrunner]

@fishbone77 Correct

[Just_Ken]

Well its in the article. Its called fraud.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken He never forced them to give him money, and every investment carries risk.

[Just_Ken]

Not if the investment is fake.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Doesn't say anything about the investments being fake.

[Just_Ken]

If it doesn't exist then its fake.
Love advertised nonexistent investment vehicles and claimed these investments would generate massive returns for both him and his victims.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Um no he didn't. He requested the money for a variety of things including "investment opportunities" The women were under no obligation to give him money, my guess this case will be dismissed pretty quickly. Stupidity isn't a defense.

[Just_Ken]

Im just going by your source. The investments were non-existent. In other words the money given to him to invest for them went straight into his own pocket. Which is fraud.
The man got caught committing obvious frauds which are against the law, which is really stupid. If you are going to break the law dont get caught, dont leave a paper trail.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Read again, or in your case read for the first time. Never says anything about non existent investments. He told them he would use some of the money to invest, never provided them aby info on the type of investment. Women are simply so gullible they gave the money w/out any contract provided.

[Just_Ken]

Yes gullable but read again. I litter quoted it.

*Love advertised nonexistent investment vehicles and claimed these investments would generate massive returns for both him and his victims.*

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Read again. They are not giving you the names of investments. Use common sense if someone ask you to invest your money in something you are going to know the name of the investment vehicle. What he actually told them is he would invest some their money, a big portion was used for tangible items.

[Just_Ken]

Investment fraud happens when criminals trick you into putting money into fake or misleading schemes with false promises of high returns.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken If I tell you we are investing in Microsoft and the money doesn't go into Microsoft, thats fraud. If I tell you im going to invest the money and you give me money thats not fraud

[Just_Ken]

Yes of you told me and dozens of others you were going to invest money into Microsoft but never did, instead you kept the money and spent it on a luxurious lifestyle

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken correct he never told them the money was going into a specific investment. Glad I could make you understand.

[Just_Ken]

It went into his pocket and not invested in anything. Its called fraud and ilegal

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Not legally, its only fraud if there were specific investments

[Just_Ken]

No its ilegal. There are laws for it. I've broke the law in my time, never really caught but would have been no use me twlling the judge I didn't when I did.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken There are not.

[Just_Ken]

The law is the law. He broke it and got caught.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken There is no law he broke. He's black and made money that alone will get you arrested in America.

[Just_Ken]

Fraud is a crime regardless of race.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Not really. White businessmen, and politicians promise returns everyday and dont deliver.

[Just_Ken]

But they do it legally. Its like when you go to McDonald's and buy a happy meal and when you get home the box is empty because the staff ate it.
You can go to an Over the counter trader that deals with pink stocks to invest money for you but he invests it in the stocks whether it makes money or not isn't an issue, he takes a commission but he doesn't put the money into his pocket without investing as that would be fraud

[Just_Ken]

Im white im a buisness man. For the service im paid for i deliver, on the service I dont take the money and put it into my pocket and not do what I was paid to do as that would be theft and fraud. Don't get me wrong there's ilegal theft and legal theft, both immoral but only one is legal.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Thats called anecdotal evidence, and is not relevant to this conversation.

[Just_Ken]

Its very relevant. No getting away from it that he stole their money to enrich himself.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Thats not yrue either. They gave him the money.

[Just_Ken]

Under the condition that he was investing it genuinely not putting it in his pocket or funding his lifestyle.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Could be investing in himself

[Just_Ken]

Exactly. Fraud

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken You misspelled capitalism.

[Just_Ken]

No its fraud. If it was capitalism theyd have got what they paid for. Even when you go to the bookies they put the money on the bet rather than just pocketing it.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Capitalism has nothing to do with getting what you paid for. Its literally private individuals using theor resources to make money. In this case he uses his brains and women's delusion.

[Just_Ken]

He didn't make money or use resources or trade anything. He took the money and put in his pocket which is theft as much as any pickpocket. Thats not capitalism

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken What do you mean he made over 1 million dollars and the resources he used was his brains.

[Just_Ken]

He didn't make anything. He stole money and got caught. No brains involved.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken How can you steal if someone is willingly giving you money?

[Just_Ken]

Fraud is an intentional deception or misrepresentation made to secure an unfair or unlawful gain, or to cause harm or loss to another person or organization.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken So you're saying if a man takes a women on a dinner date and she doesn't have sex with him she should be arrested?

[Just_Ken]

Is sex guaranteed with a dinner date or do you not have to woo her?
I never had to pay for women to have sex with me.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Thanks for sharing but not sure what this has to do with the question. I asked. If you're claiming that its fraud for a woman to spend money on a man, then are you saying its fraud if a man spends money on a woman?

[Just_Ken]

wasn't spending on a man. It was investing in a fake scheme

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken They literally spent their money on a man

[Just_Ken]

No they were robbed

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken not if you give money voluntarily

[Just_Ken]

Still fraud

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken So you do think that if a man takes a woman out and doesn't get laid, the women committed fraud. Nice to know.

[Just_Ken]

Is there laws against it?

[Just_Ken]

The idea that taking a woman out guarantees sex is laughable.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken No there's no law against giving a man money.

[Just_Ken]

There is against fraud. His the law being involved

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Giving a man money is not fraud, just like u said a women being taken out on a date isn't. Exact same concept.

[Just_Ken]

If that were so there would be no legal case against the man in question, there wouldn't even be an investigation

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Lol, welcome to America you dont need to do something illegal for police to investigate a black man getting money.

[Just_Ken]

No fraud is litteraly against the law.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_ken Its against the law for someone to receive money?

[Just_Ken]

Fraudulently yes it is.