The real feminism, what did you gain?

[Mark_Est]

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Here is another funny video about feminism. Pretty accurate depiction of uk/france so far. Soon near you😅https://youtube. com/shorts/FKDlYfFlccI? is=lvJ-Myc8PN1vjVdg

[Peachie2050]

This reminds me of the Korean 4 B movement

[In_Trance]

Complete shit show

[Bianca_Italy]

mentally ill*

[Mark_Est]

"Loving happy family = mentally ill"

We dont need any more examples who is on the wrong side of history, logic, morals or sanity.

[Mark_Est]

Nothing i this image is about rights, having less rights or more. Its about feminists teaching having a healthy family as oppression.

Your response was "mentally ill" to a guy exposing it, and in turn to that image.

Stop tap dancing and derailing, now that you got exposed.

[Bianca_Italy]

You don't know what history, logic, morals are. You're uneducated.

[Bianca_Italy]

How are equal rights preventing women from having a happy family? If anything, women can choose who they truly love and not someone they're forced to marry.

And what about women who don't want to date?

I want to stay single, I have never met a man in my entire life who would make me happy, but thanks to feminism, I don't have to accept a man I don't want and I'm independent. That's happiness too.

[Mark_Est]

Shulamith Firestone argued that the nuclear family structure is the foundational source of psychological, economic, and political oppression

Betty Friedan described the isolated mid-century suburban household as a "comfortable concentration camp" that politically and emotionally stunted women

Early socialist thinkers and Marxist feminists argued that the nuclear family serves capitalism by providing free domestic labor.

A prominent circle of contemporary feminist and queer theorists—including Sophie Lewis (Abolish the Family: A Manifesto for Care and Liberation, 2022), M. E. O'Brien (Family Abolition: Capitalism and the Communizing of Care, 2023), and Kathi Weeks—actively argue for doing away with the family structure entirely

The Moment: In early 2020, VICE published a profile on Lewis titled "We Can't Have a Feminist Future Without Abolishing the Family". The article quickly circulated online, leading to a major segment on Fox News where host Tucker Carlson dissected her work.

Conservative commentator Charlie Kirk (founder of Turning Point USA) frequently went viral for debating college students. Many of these explosive exchanges featured Kirk asking students if they support the nuclear family or if they believe feminism has harmed it. Clips of young women defending alternative kinship or critiquing traditional marriage structures frequently generated millions of algorithmic views.

Educational videos and podcasts (such as segments on YouTube) often clip modern progressive or feminist influencers advocating for non-monogamy, polyamory, or decentralized child-rearing.

Etc etc. You clearly have no idea what feminism is or what it pushes.

[Mark_Est]

And you are again, derailing, trying to escape the nonsense you said to him

[Bianca_Italy]

You're avoiding my question, I'm not going to read that. I asked a simple question and your reply is off-topic.

Try again.

[Mark_Est]

Typical loser who just got fully exposed and now doesn't know how to read. FYI it was about how feminists, the founders and current, are against family unit and how it is oppresive. Meaning he was right and his image. And you are wrong, once again.

[Bianca_Italy]

I haven't been exposed, I simply don't want to read a wall of text. Just because I'm taking part in the conversation I don't have to read walls of text, I'm studying maths while talking to you.

It's really simple: tell me how feminism and equal rights prevent women from having a happy family.

A wall of text isn't needed, a short answer will be enough.

[moddy_the_mod]

bingo

[Shiprex]

@Bianca_Italy equal rights but nit equal responsibility?
When will women contribute as much to the risky, dirty and demanding necessities of society?

[Shiprex]

Who do you think pushed women out of the home and into the workforce? It wasn't Marxist or socialist motivated.
It was wholeheartedly backed by capitalists who spotted an unexploited (human) resource not contributing to their profit and productivity desires..
Anyone who thinks is socialism behind feminism is dumb af.

[Mark_Est]

@Bianca.

Here we have a sore loser. Tapdancing all they can. Dont worry, we dont care if you get it. Others can read.

[Nuclear_Warhead]

The real feminism and not what Rockefellers turned it into, makes it no longer necessary for them to seduce the richest man they can find just so they don't have to eat dirt their whole lives. Instead they can work a 9-5 and not be beaten up just beacause their retarded husband is in a bad mood. It killed the boners of retarded men. But men who are not retarded, well, you know women still have ovaries, and think using their ovaries when they see hawt men. And act like good wives for them, willingly, not from force. And those whose ovaries do the thinking when they see retarded brutes, well, let them abort, sterilize and depopulate themselves, the world will be better. It's a shame that wogs, sand niggеrs and joos aren't doing birth control and abortions as much as whites are. ㅤ

[Mark_Est]

Sounds to me you have been praying to Atom a little too much.

You do know that it was the father and brothers that vetted the husband and ended him if he was shit? And they also were obligated to raise her children if the husband died.

Now being corporate slaves for life to some randoms who SA them is a win?

You think it is a win for women to be some ftoys for fboys?

And dating data is pretty clear, women chase rich men now more than ever. So what have you been smoking?

And also you look at women killing their own children as a win for them?
Women already kill 73 million babies every year, that is one every half a second. And they have killed 1/3rd of the genZ. That is not a win. But a degenerate nonsense.

also, women were kept safe, while men were sent to die in wars, mines and other dangerous jobs. Chivarly is also from back then. So was women and children first to save them from disasters, while men remained. You dont even offer a seat to a woman these days, or open a door.

So clearly women were taken care of by most of the society. And most women were actually against feminism.

What you are talking about is complete nonsense.

Corporations wanted more voters, more slaves, more consumers and more profits. That is the real reason of feminism

[Nuclear_Warhead]

You're like blaming modern operating systems for the declining popularity of games from the 1990s. If i go to unreal tournament servers and struggle to find anyone online, then do i complain that the government isn't forcing everyone to use windows 95? No. Anyone with modern computers can still play it if they choose to. Horrible it is to work 9 to 5. Although, 100 years ago doing the laundry was more intense than the average modern gym workout. Do you not think that women too want what's best for them? They have baby fevers? Do you not see that there are still married parents everywhere?

[slatyb]

I am far happier as a programmer than I would be doing anything else to earn money. I am very good at it, I am well paid to do it, and there's not much stress.

[loveslongnails]

This video is bullshit, in my opinion. "REAL" feminism has nothing to do with the things she's railing about. They are what happened when real feminism got hijacked and flipped on it's head.

Briefly, because I don't want to spend time on something that volumes of books address, I view real feminism as dealing with:
* equality under the law
* equal access to opportunities under the law
* the simple acknowledgement that females are not mentally inferior and can perform at the same high level STEM careers when given the same education as males

Women still wanted to be mothers and raise families; they just didn't want to be told that's ALL you can be or it's the ONLY thing you're good for, and if you don't choose to do that, you're useless. Women recognized this as a method of mental manipulation and control, and when they told men to shut up about it, men got upset.

Then there were the radical Femi-nazi's who went off the fringe end too, completely destroying the original intent, which men loved to see knowing they had a new scapegoat for the damage it would create.

If you want proof that REAL feminism in the LEGAL world actually worked, just look at what the Christian Nationalist movement and Republican legislation is trying to take away from women, and what they're trying to re-install. That, and more, is what women gained, and that is what is under attack.

[Mark_Est]

You are clearly very off.

Lets keep it simple.

What rights do men have that women don't? Name one?

I can name few that women have that men don't. So clearly not about equality, but of female superiority.

Secondly all you wokes can dapdance all you want, but basic biology still applies.

Men are way better than women, at everything that matters. It is a fact.

Teenage boys outperform olympic level women.

And there is a reason why even chess has a separate league for women.

The top3 women in the open chess leagues rank as:

Hou Yifan 160th
Zhu Jiner 260th
Ju Wenjun 290th

It isn't even close, and these are some exceptionally performing women.

What utter joke.

[loveslongnails]

Poor boy. You clearly don't understand what REAL feminism was about, do you? No, you don't. Keep it simple, huh? I'll do my best for you.

What rights do men have that women don't? Name one? -
LOL Thanks for proving my point.
Women NOW have certain rights they DIDN'T have BECAUSE of early feminism, such as:
* 19th amendment gaining the right to vote, which men are now talking about repealing
* Equal pay act
* Ability to open credit cards in the their own name
* Ability to purchase property on their own credit and income basis without co-signers
All those and more came about from early, true feminism movements
You'll no doubt disagree, but women do not have the RIGHT to control their own bodies in 13 states that ban abortion outright, 8 of which do NOT allow exceptions for rape or incest. MEN took away those rights. Yes, I know there were a few women who voted those laws into place in certain red states, but 99% of the votes were by men.

I can name few that women have that men don't. So clearly not about equality, but of female superiority. - No, you can't name ANY "rights" that defer to "Female Superiority". Not one.
Courts tend to prefer mothers in custody cases, but that's a whole different story, not a "right".

[loveslongnails]

Secondly all you wokes can dapdance all you want, but basic biology still applies.
Ah, another dude who doesn't even know what "woke" means. LOL
That has ZERO to do with my point about what real feminism is about. It has nothing to do with biology, it has to do with legal rights and societal treatment. It has nothing to do your ignorance about the difference between gender and biological sex.

Every remaining rant you offer is 100% off topic. The point I'm making, and where the video is bullshit, pertains to feminism and NOT who are the superior athletes, chess players, or scientists.
Another point that your ignorance prevents you from grasping relates to opportunity. Another relates to aspiration, and what's available for it.

So, clearly, YOU don't understand the subject matter, which is why you banter on about male superiority in sports and chess, both having NOTHING to do with the feminist movement.

[Mark_Est]

You are woke, a leftist identity policy activist.

Oh the 19th? You mean where women get to vote men to war and they get to not go or leave the country.

But i can't find "ANY" rights that defer to female superiority? 😅😅 ability to send others to die for your causes seems pretty clear to me, and other men.

Equal pay, they dont do equal work. That is what the sports show. This is in every level, pro or rookies. We wouldn't need DEI or lowering standards if that was the case. Reality is women are lazy, uninventive, can't regulate their hormones and have period issues. That is why they deserve less pay.

by the way, look at early feminists, they were agains familiy unit and most women were anti feminism. Clearly you have no idea.

Another right that women have and men dont is reproductive rights. Men have none while women can kill the child, give it for adoption or etc. Even men who were boys and a grown woman SA'd them are forced to pay het child support.

Talking about abortion. The science is clear on it. New human life begins at conception, no matter what wokeminds say, it isn't up to debate. It is not her body her choice the moment she is pregnant.

Women already kill 73 million babies every year, that is one every half a second. Nuts. And they want it even more. In minnesota it is right until birth now.

Women also kill and celebrate killing their kids outside the womb. Millions of women showed support to Clancy and made her a millionaire for it. And also chanted "Same". And there have been over 70 copycats since then.

[Mark_Est]

Also a fun video how both male and female kill some kids in the same time/crime but man gets death penalty while she gets life in prison.
youtube.com/shorts/h4IVwqWPQGI?is=DEgGDAdA6XcNGdwX

Returning to Clancy. Remember how woke women were arguing that they aren't responsible for what their emotions drive them to do? So clearly women should have the accountability of children. That is what they want. Do we let children vote? Or listen to them? No.

[loveslongnails]

This garbage isn't worth wasting my words on with you.

[Mark_Est]

Woke beta got destroyed and now runs. Figures.

[Mark_Est]

If men voted women to war and women had to go while men could chill or leave you would shit a brick😅

That is the 19th

Men got the right to vote with the duty of war.

[Mark_Est]

Have to say, didn't notice it before but your profile pic is also some woke feminist garbage😅

So anybody without a uterus shouldn't have any opinions? What utter joke😅

Typical woke mindvirus victim here... sheehs..

[loveslongnails]

This is it for me, because you're rather unhinged. LOL

You are woke, a leftist identity policy activist.
** The Real Origins of “Woke”
Originally, woke came from Black American vernacular and meant exactly what it sounds like: being awake. As in, aware. Paying attention. Specifically, being conscious of racial injustice and the ways systems can be stacked against people.

One of the earliest recorded uses shows up in the 1930s, when blues musician Lead Belly warned Black Americans to “stay woke” while traveling through the Jim Crow South. Many may use the word to joke around now, but back then, it was a matter of survival.

Being "woke" has ZERO to do with being left, it is about being conscious of injustice. It started with the Black community. Again, you and your ilk misuse the word constantly in order to fit your limited, uneducated narrative.

Oh the 19th? You mean where women get to vote men to war and they get to not go or leave the country. - No, that's what YOU mean. It means women got the right to VOTE, period. More men have sent other men to war than women EVER will. What a silly example. LOL

But i can't find "ANY" rights that defer to female superiority? ability to send others to die for your causes seems pretty clear to me, and other men. -
LOL That's exactly what your elected officials do, isn't it? Men vote, women vote, but this is the fault of women? I'm done.

[Mark_Est]

I mean your shirt does say anybody without uterus should stfu. Since you believe this nonsense, why the f are you even speaking at all?

Clearly you are a cuck😅😅 or did your mistress permit you to speak this time?

[Mark_Est]

Why only copy the first woke definition part in? Dishonesty much? 🤣

2. Pejorative and Critical Meaning (Political Label)

Definition: Used predominantly by political conservatives and critics as a disapproving or mocking label for progressive or left-wing policies, identity politics, and corporate "performative activism".

Context: In this sense, critics use "woke" or "wokeness" to describe what they view as excessive political correctness, forced diversity, or virtue signaling. As noted in community discussions on Reddit, the term has increasingly been co-opted as a broad catch-all for any progressive cultural or political shift a speaker dislikes

So yeah you are woke.

[Mark_Est]

Look at that dude dapdance. Trying to minimize a real right that women have over men.

What a clown😅

Again, if men push to vote in some war hungry politician, cause they aren't affected and women have to go die in a war you wokes would lose your shit😅

And by the way, in history, women leaders/queens and etc started more wars than men. And it is clear why, look how unstable most women are and how easily they lose it.

[Mark_Est]

Here is your modern feminism😅
youtube.com/shorts/FKDlYfFlccI?is=lvJ-Myc8PN1vjVdg

[Anonymous]

I'm a modern woman.

I'm a software engineer, I make more than most men at 28, I own multiple houses that I inherited from my family, and I'm not letting men use my body.

Women in the past didn't have a job, they couldn't manage properties, they couldn't date and marry for love and they had to put up with anything in a relationship.

Shut up! I have it better than women of the past.

If some women make poor choices, the problem is them. Not feminism.

Here's the truth: modern women have opportunities and freedom, how they play the game and how skilled they are at the game depends on them. If they use their freedom and their opportunities, it's their fault, no one is forcing women to do anything wrong.

[Opinion Owner]

Attempt failed. You're not trying to attack my logic, you're simply trying to attack my identity because you can't counter my logic.

[Opinion Owner]

You're trying to use a few rare exceptions to deny the fact that women didn't have freedom and opportunities like modern women do.

What you're saying is historically false. Period.

Imagine being in 2026 and still missing an era that ended the past century. How is that not mental illness?

[Mark_Est]

Why should anybody listen to somebody says when they start with a lie? As you have done it again. You are a liar. That is where your troubles lie, pun intended.

Instead of being honest: "after I transitioned I experienced etc etc", you choose to make up nonsense.

Again, dude, women had tons of rights and even in ancient egypt they were close to what women have these days.

I Europe womens rights were tied to men, cause we had the church and huge religious control. Men also were tied to their wife and the church.

That is how it went. Women got to work, own property and etc. Their money went to the man. Cause he was the head of the household. When he died the household was owned by her.

And another fun point feminists like to leave out, women didn't suffer the burden of debt. So if the man toom out a loan and died or etc, the wife didn't suffer any obligations or loss of assets etc.

[Opinion Owner]

So, here is how you handle arguments? When you don't like the truth, you say that it's a lie?

Ok, fine. Have fun talking to yourself in the mirror, then applaud yourself.

I have never transitioned, I'm a biological woman, and I'm telling you that feminism hasn't ruined my life in any way, I have it better than my grandmothers. My grandmothers had to accept violence and oppressive husbands.

You're twisting history and you think that we're too stupid to understand what you're doing. Your ego is so big you think you can change the history the whole world knows by cherrypicking facts.

[Shiprex]

Women are taking advantage of men. They're refusing to enter occupations on an equal basis. All the soft high status office jobs are made more easily accessible to women because they're easier to manipulate (look at how salaries plummeted in female dominated occupations and how it depresses wages when women enter tgat industry.
They've also shown they are corrupted by feminist ideology.
That the education sector has forever but worsening bias against boys. Assessments found harshly graded if known to be a boys versus given the benefits of doubt if a girl. Then there's the discipline farce where boys are excluded for doing same as a girl who gets a warning. This discourages boys from school and study thus limiting their occupation opportunities.

[DonaldDarko]

Let machines handel reproduction. I don't want to be forced to take care of a woman either. This is evolution in progress.

[virgo2267]

Ehhhh… two things I see contradict your comment… INHERITED and posting ANONYMOUS. Go figure

[Opinion Owner]

@Shiprex ''This discourages boys from school...''

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

[Mark_Est]

Here is the short versiom of modern feminism😅

youtube.com/shorts/FKDlYfFlccI?is=lvJ-Myc8PN1vjVdg

[moddy_the_mod]

Do you swallow?

[Mark_Est]

youtube.com/shorts/_kHOyIjmew0?is=G4WOd09NisJYRt1V

[Shiprex]

You think being held back because the ADULT responsible hates you is gonna encourage you to be more academic? Multiple studies from Scandinavia to US to Antipodeans have shown the same trend, blind studies see boys assessment grades increase from when educators (70% women) grade them.

[slatyb]

Besides the right to vote, to have a career, to have a checking account, a credit card, to continue working after marriage, to use birth control, to divorce, to refuse sex with their husband? Need I go on? Maybe try reading "The Stewardess Wars" or "On Account of Sex".

[Bianca_Italy]

Oh a man who gets it. You have my respect, you're my new idol.

[Mark_Est]

Why should women vote when they aren't responsible for their votes? Men have to pay with war for their bad votes while women can and just leave.

So women being corporate slaves is a win. Women diluting the income and making everything expensice is a win?

Birth control was not banned from women and poisoning yourself is hardly a win. And what it really opened up is women becoming std farmers. Making them ruin their lives and worthless to men.

Same with divorce, women can now leave when they want. Sure, and they now cry that men dont marry them, due to expecting men to do their marital duties all the time.

So a woman can refuse sex from husband, okay. And a husband doesn't feel like paying bills or protecting her.

If you stopped simping for a second and look at what really is going on with women, you would see how much they destroyed their own lives with this nonsense. They are more depressed than ever, more lonely, just used std farming, broke corporate slaves, killing their children about 73 milliom a year, etc etc.

The great feministic dream.

[slatyb]

More depressed? You know who's depressed? The incels who can't get a date because they have little to offer and are stil fantasizing about having a second mother. The women having successful careers don't want you and don't miss you.

[Mark_Est]

Careers😅😅😅

Keep going corporate slave.

And its also funny we know damn well who dates for money. Who is looking for handouts.

[slatyb]

Corporate slave? And what is it you do? I'm about to retire and travel.

[Mark_Est]

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[FreyaRed]

Feminism as ideology was derailed already in 1990ties. Calling if feminism is an invective for more than 100 years feminism before that fought for women's rights.
The question who did hijacking feminism for their vicious agendas and use those women as useful fools? When you can answer this question, you will be able to answer many other questions as well.

[Mark_Est]

Not really true. It was always about destroying family units.

That is why big corporations supported it. They got more money, more control, more slaves, more easily influenced voters etc etc. Feminism is a joke.

Kate Millett: In her influential 1970 book Sexual Politics, Millett argued that the patriarchal family unit must be destroyed because it socializes children to accept gender inequality from birth.

Robin Morgan: The radical feminist and former editor of Ms. magazine famously wrote, "We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage."

The Feminists: A highly radical New York-based group active in the late 1960s declared that "marriage and the family must be eliminated" because they inherently institutionalized the subjugation of women.

Simone de Beauvoir: While a philosopher rather than an activist founder, her foundational text The Second Sex heavily influenced second-wave radical thought by framing traditional marriage as a trap that limits a woman's transcendent potential.

[FreyaRed]

This topic is a little bit wider than just few quotes out of book of people who were paid to derail feminism from its core values.
There has been always competition of sexes. Some sexes are more desired in some field than others. Women are better customers as men due their emotional purchase strategy, while men have are rather pragmatic in their choice... This has a lot of influence on what media propagates. War is again on the table and media found white men interesting again. Coincidence?

Now look at Islamic societies, The ideal Paradise from point of view of men who complain about feminism. What did they achieve in last 1600 years? They rolled back. With exception of few Gulf shitholes which sell oil and their elites waste money on palaces and expensive vehicles, their countries are retarded and irrelevant.
Now tell me that a little bit competition of sexes is bad for human development.

[Mark_Est]

Dude, the corporations pushed it, not most women. Actuallt most women were against feminism.

And why do you look at islamic states? We are western and our men here oppose feminism, except the betas of course.

Our society got ahead of everybody due to our values.

Now with the feminism we just have women who have made themselves useless in society.

No really, men drive and sustain the society. If women are low value to men, then you lose.

Currently we are stuck with women due to birthing a child. However, men dont want to marry temu Bonnie Blues. Which are most women these days.

So there is a problem. Also, dropping birthrates are a problem.

You know what western dudes are good at? Solving problems.

We need to fix the birthrates before society collapses (the real gift of feminism).

Men will get it done in the next 10 years, artificial wombs will exist. And we already have great female robots for 170k.

What you have done is made yourself irrelevant for men. Good job. Women, at least feminists, will go extinct in 60 years.

[FreyaRed]

Cheap polemic and subliminal invectives. But what did I expect on this site. lol

[Mark_Est]

No arguments and only feelings.

But of course what should one expect from somebody who just graduated from the indoctrination camp.

[Sal_Monella]

Like that song. They feel like they are winning but they're losing again. Hence the senseless Karen rage, suicide rate, mental illness rate, ruthless divorce disembowelments and fraudulent criminal allegations against men. No easy pussy is worth that risk. Avoid Western women like Bubonic Plague. Instead, hire a Household Manager and maintain your prostate health with Rentals.

[Dr_Dixon_Cider]

They have work and taxes just like it was meant to be. lolz. Sorry ladies, you fell for it... now work to survive like the rest of us.

[moddy_the_mod]

Yup the biggest crock of shit ever hoisted on women.

[Anonymous]

If we're talking about real feminism, which means original feminism and not what passes as "feminism" today, then the answer is I gained equal rights with men.

[Abbycado]

Not to listen to guys that talk about it.

[Mark_Est]

If you feminists hate men so much and what we have built and maintain here, why dont you go build your own nation instead?

Perhaps cause feminists dont actually accomplish anything. You a more of the "Gimme that" types, always looking for men to give you everything.

[Bianca_Italy]

Feminists don't hate men. You're simply too weak to understand that women can want to be independent and have rights without hating men. You only understand oppression.

[Mark_Est]

Like i said, if you dont like men, and want intepedence from men then go start your own nation.

If you are living in a society that is built by men, and you enjoy the benefits that men bring you and men tell you how it is should be then you listen or get out.

What we have here are some ungrateful babies. You have been living too well, that is why you dont even see it.

Like i said, if you dont like it our way, then stop using the benefits men built, maintain and provide.

[Bianca_Italy]

You're talking to an engineer, I contribute to the world in a male dominated scientific field as much as other men do and more than most men do.

I'm not the right woman to say this to.

[Mark_Est]

What a joke. You are runnig software. You do nothing for society. Take away your job or any other software related work. And nothing happens, some slight delays at first and etc, then business as usual.

Take away truckers for 24 hours, oil riggers, miners, farmers, fishermen, metal workers, etc etc. And the society collapses.

And again, stop with your lies.

[Mark_Est]

Also, funny how your field is gone in 10 months but you are here talking like you are important to society. Get some real skills, but i have to warn you, there might be a lot of reading involved. We know how you hate that.

[Anonymous]

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