What sort of measures can be implamented so that freedom of speech DOES mean freedom from consequences?

[KostasKouvalis]

It's not truly freedom if there's consequences. It's not truly a democracy if you live in fear of speaking your mind.

[Billlewis]

Well, I guess everyone who still values free speech could just all move to Florida, Alabama or Oklahoma, because longer term, you know the bad guys are going to win. They're still winning in Canada, Europe and the U. K., Australia and across the entire Northern half of the U. S., other than the Dakotas. Idaho and Montana. After you reach a certain point, you just can't get rid of them anymore, because they keep bringing in poor people and using your tax dollars to bribe them to vote against you.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Speech will always have some sort of consequences whether it be good or bad.

Freedom of speech is just saying the goverment can't really come after you for a lot of it barring serious threats for example. Private citizens are absolutely allowed to have a reaction within the laws to criticize you, boycott your business, call you out in the press, etc.

I dont think there is anything we can implement that would just allow someone to say whatever is in their head without consequence nor should we allow it. Sometimes thoughts should be filtered otherwise you end up with a real life cesspool like social media is.

[KostasKouvalis]

Fire you. Not hire you to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Freedom is speech has certain limitations in the country I live in. For examples you aren't allowed to tell people to commit a crime, incite violence and aren’t allowed to threaten people. Calling a black person the N word, another person ugly or fat only one time doesn’t mean the threshold of harassment but doing it over and over again is harassment and you could get charged with harassment or stalking.

[KostasKouvalis]

So you can call someone an N worder and you won't get fired, refused a job or doxxed?

[KostasKouvalis]

Or get beat up

[Opinion Owner]

You don’t always have to do something illegal to get fired.
Sorry I think I might have made a mistake prior being racist is illegal where I live. You cannot refuse to serve a person at a hotel or restaurant or for employment were I line based on their race and calling a black person the N word only once could possibly get you into legal trouble.

[Billlewis]

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about things like what's happening in Europe and Great Britain, where, if you publicly criticize the gov't or say that there's too much immigration, etc, they come and arrest you. Or, thr name of your organization contains the term 'Patriot' or 'Freedom' etc, and we send the IRS or other gov't agency after you, as Obama did.

[KostasKouvalis]

@Billlewis I'm talking about the girls who got doxxed for making monkey noises

[Billlewis]

Well, if it's true, I think they're wrong for doing it, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should have their home addresses posted online.

[purplepoppy]

Until there's freedom of consequences for the people your free speech is targeting then you shouldn't have it.

It's one thing saying one idea is better than another, or less tax spent on one thing and more on another. But most freespeech advocates simply want to demonise various groups and encourage discrimination or violence against them.

[lilBigPotato]

First you need to define freedom of speech. A lot of people seem to have a misunderstanding of that. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can just say anything with no consequences. Your freedom stops where mine starts.

[NaultD]

No. Ultimately that's why democracy has any meaningful value. That's why we have jury of peers. The 12 peers have to all say get this person out of here because we all have to live with that peer.

[KostasKouvalis]

12 peers who know nothing about law and are practically involuntary servents which is illegal

[NaultD]

That's why it's important. For the state to convict someone needs a jury of peers to charge someone.

The state had unlimited power and unlimited funds to punish crimes. So we have jury of peers to sentence crimes. Because everyday people have to live with peers.

Is this person actually dangerous? 12 people have to say yes.

[MrChinaski]

All actions have consequences. That's what it means to be an adult.