Did the NFL just commit suicide?

[KostasKouvalis]

https://sports.yahoo.com/national-gay-flag-football-league-154555874.html

[blueonblack22]

You want the NFL to quit doing this bullshit? Quit watching the NFL. It’s that simple. Yes it’s hard but take a stance once and for all. I know I did ever sense Colin Kaepernick pulled his bullshit years ago.

The only major league sport I watch consistently is the UFC and that crap never happens there. There are openly gay female fighters too (no openly gay male fighters as far as I know but they I don’t doubt they exist). But I don’t care either way. Really don’t care. The ufc never followed all the BLM bullshit (thank God). Dana white knows that most the fan base doesn’t care about that bs so I highly doubt he would push rainbow ideology any time soon.

Remember it’s mostly men and usually tough traditionally minded guys who consistently supported the NFL. Yes it got corporatized and wokified. But really how many women and/or far left men are hardcore consistent NFL fans? How may of them would consistently watch NFL games, buy NFL mechandise and buy tickets to games on their own? They tag along with traditional men not the other way around.

Take a stand and do not supper be NFL in any way, shape or fashion. Don’t waste time complaining. Just quit supporting it period.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'll watch the Super Bowl, but other than that, I don't follow football anyways. I'm just glad Kapernik is out of the 49ers, 'cuz that's my home team.

Dana White isn't the kind of person to push an ideology on someone or be bullied by woke companies. Though if one of his fighters was walking around with an LGBT flag, he probably wouldn't say anything either. He's stated multiple times that he believes in freedom of speech and doesn't police any of his fighters.

One person taking a stand isn't gonna make a difference.

[blueonblack22]

@KostasKouvalis im a former pro mma fighter and there is A LOT of things I don’t like at all about Dana White. He’s still raping undercard and up and coming fighters with insanely low payouts. A bench warmer for the WBNA makes a lot more money then a 95% beginner fighters in the UFC.

But one thing I can say is Dana White UNDERSTANDS the fan base. He gives them what they want vs shoving down bs like other major league sports teams. He plays smart politics too. Staying non-political as possible helped the UFC vastly expand its reach.

The other major league sports teams have two major problems:

1) they got wokesters infiltrating and running their administrations (this is what happened to big tech).

2) the are complete pushovers when it comes to the leftist media. It doesn’t help at all that ESPN went far woke years ago. But still they ignoring what their fan base really wants.

Anyway money speaks. Conservative men got to stop being hypocrites by just complaining all the while still watching and supporting the NFL. If we all stuck together and boycotted supporting woke sports they would eventually lose their loyal fanbase. I don’t see women or leftist men ever being huge NFL fans. Sure the NFL can survive on “old money” for a while but it won’t last forever.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, he doesn't like to be grilled on the pay inequality. Dana White has made it pretty obvious though what his political loyalties are.

[Drewtate]

I'm surprised because they've been bleeding fans for sometime.

This kind of cultural Marxism has been going on for some time now. Any space, franchise or product that I'd perceived as too conservative, too white, too straight etc gets this kind of woke treatment. Most left wingers actually despise sports especially full contact sports like football and would like to see it banned. Does the lgbtq even watch football? For a while they pushing hard to get female kickers into football and the nfl. We seen it all before with budlight, soccer, Gillette, Disney etc. Like in soccer they are forcing Christian and Muslim players to wear lgbtq badges. The next target will be Christian churches, they are already in the schools with pervy teachers teaching our kids about buttplugs and pegging.

Like most people the only answer for me is to switch off and stop buying NFL merchandise.

https://youtu.be/bofLnrFPerE?si=K1zq4x5SRAdJnN_Y

[alice55]

Football do this kind of stuff too in Europe not the flag but player wear shirt where it's written support to lgbt. I truly don't care I mean it's so small and once the game begin you're focused on the game so

Too even Qatar during the world cup authorized flag and others accessoires to the lgbt color so I don't think it's such a big deal. In the end it's just some rainbow color.

In Europe they have those stuff for the captain when he ask for it : 24506533lpw-24506722-article-jpg_9519464_1250x625.jpg

Or even this that they have done on one match = 645f518332441_000-9a47wh.jpg

But usually they don't do nothing, they do it if the player ask (the captain arms bands) and the color on the shirt was done one time. Though the FIFA also forbidden the Belgium shirt because it was written love on it and it was deemed as inappropriate (this was in support to lgbt) : 951124d4a093eeae83d9726a20295498-1669215138.png

I think they mostly support it to make themselves look good but they don't like it. Usually gay and football don't go hand in hand, football fan hate gay and are more likely to punch them than anything.

[KostasKouvalis]

I can't see the pictures on my phone. I'll look on my laptop later. I'm watching the Copa America right now.

Yeah, I don't like when they have the stadium decorated in it and the rainbow shirts. Also, the rainbow shirts just look stupid. I don't wanna see politics in sport. I remember one tournament they threatened to suspected our national team if they wore those shirts again. I saw some of the Canadian players had some small armbands with some message, and some of the captains in Euro Cup had a "Respect" arm band and that's it. It also depends on the city/stadium and if it's a friendly or not. If i recall correctly Hungary and I think a few other conservative countries banned the flags last Euro Cup, buy I think a few people snuck some in anyways.

I don't remember that about Qatar but I believe you. They probably didn't want anymore controversy.

Exactly! The players don't seem to care as long as they're getting paid. They probably don't see it worth making a fuss over. One Russian hockey player in NHL made a fuss over it. The fans supported hin, but the media made him look bad. So I guess for some players it's not worth it, and fans don't seem to care, or the ones that do don't say anything

[alice55]

ok
Lucky I would like to watch it but it seem they don't put in France, they said they would but we need to pay to see it. this suck so much we used to be able to watch it for free.
I don't think they banned it I don' remember , to be honest if they wear them or not i don't care, Im' here to watch football so either ways it doesn't matter to me. If they were doing a speech I would find it bad and nt appropriate but just the flag and arm band I don't care, in the end it's just rainbow color.
The respect armband is actually against racism not lgbt and it make more sense considering we host player from all over the world during tournament. This I think is quite normal for any sport. The respect arms bands actually make sense considering that some countries like Argentine think it's ok to insult others countries player during World Cup.

Seem weird European countries would ban the flag considering they're from the EU and even Qatar authorized them.

[alice55]

At first they were forbidden but then they authorized them after having a talk with FIFA, they're trying to get more "open" to foreigner to get tourist.
The only stuff they got forbidden during world cup was the Templar / crusader attire of some supported but I guess I can understand, we weren't exactly on the same side and crusader arne't seen as a good things outside of France / European countries.

The player don't care cause the sign are so small and they're there to do what they love play football so it's not one poor rainbow flag or one poor sign that is going to stop them from doing what they love too they get paid so much they're not going to complain for such a little things.
Many foreign player (Muslim if I get by their name) refused to wear the shirt with the small sign or hide it but that's it. Most just don't care at all, it isn't going to change their life at all.

I don't get why they would make a fuss over it especially foreign player, how many money are they given to play? They know the country they play in are against discrimination and in exchange they get paid million per months it's quite entitled on their part to make a fuss out of it. I don't like gay people but if I were in America making million for doing a sport I love I wouldn't say anythng if they asked me to wear a shirt with a pride logo on it especially since it's tiny stuff usually.
They sound spoiled.

Fan don't care cause they're usually either homophobic themselves or just clearly don't give a shit so long as gay dude don't go hitting on them.

[KostasKouvalis]

The Copa America? Yeah, I'm annoyed that they aren't showing the Georgia games, because I was most interested in seeing Georgia play because it's their debut.

I know, but it's the meaning. Maybe in the US we get more riled up about it because it's constantly being shoved down our throats and they're also imposing it on our children now.

Yeah, that's what I thought it was. It's not just Argentina. Some people were chanting "kill the Serbs!" and Mexican fans keep chanting homophonic chants and that has been going on for years.

Orban is very Conservative and anti-woke. And Azerbaijan is officially Muslim.

Exactly.

It's also unfortunate that the Crusader cross got appropriated by neo-Nazi gangs.

I'm not surprised. But yeah if you're gonna do that, let them choose.

I was gonna say, I thought you would be against this stuff. I don't know if I would compromise my morals for money, but who knows? Drag I certainly would never wear.

But I didn't like that about my old job. A lot of their policies didn't align with my personal morals/values. Someone actually asked a question about that, and a lot of people said they would quit their job for that reason.

I don't know. I would prefer to keep political agendas out of sports. In the US a lot of people also don't like it because there is a double standard. The pride flag is fine, yet people who fly Christian flags get scolded. I don't know if it's the same in Europe. And also, it was Asian-American Pacific Islander heritage month last night and no one displayed flags of Asian/Pacific countries.

[KostasKouvalis]

NONE OF THOSE PICTURES YOU POSTED ARE SHOWING. ALL I SEE IS THE GAG ICON, AND WHEN I CLICK ON THEM, I GET AN ERROR MESSAGE. :/

[alice55]

Yes, they're so annoying for it.
In France it's there without being there, it's by memory just in football actually, never saw it anywhere else, I also live in the countryside so it help but I don't remember seeing one flag even in the city, here people take their religion and sexuality hided (that's kind of Franc concept, be how you ant to be but don't harass people with it); we're free but shouldn't impose our view and sexuality on others.
Gay are usually tolerated in France so long as they don't talk about it or show it too much.
America love to talk about woke stuff all the time and making a big deal out of it, always in people face so even if people support gay right they would get annoyed by it.
Just like how French people get fed up with Arabs crying about colonization while they themselves took French people as slave and never even said a word about it... but for colonization we keep hearing them whine.
Why would people want to kill Serbian people? They're crazy O-O
What did Serb even do
Yes, they appropriated it so then now it became a racist stuff forbidden to wear.
Yes
There's a difference between 10 euros and 2 million per months. I certainly won't complain if I were to win 2 million per months and the club asked me to wear a shirt with a tiny rainbow logo during 90 min...
Too if he didn't want to wear it he could have just go play in Hungary, people want our money but don't accept our culture. When I was in high school we had to write a letter to welcome immigrant in France and make them feel welcome and comfortable, I had to do it cause if not I would have gotten expelled (too half of my class were Muslim so not a real great idea to say racist stuff in front of them).

[alice55]

I'm against gay, I don't like them to me they're similar to pedophile (cause when you look at their age difference it's always an old man with a very young one, it look very creepy) but then again with the amount of money they win they can't complain and nobody actually force them to wear it they can just either go back to their country or go to Hungary club (but they won't touch million of euros).
Nothing to do with morals, like I said football fan don't like gay people and gay don't like football but the logo is so small people don't even really notice it. Not everyone know about the gay flag here. My grandfather don't know about it for example and when he watch a match and see a rainbow arm band he doesn't think anythng of it (unlike when he see Black people in European team he always joke about how he don't know if he's watching France or African team so I always tell him we let our colonie play and enjoy watching the game without sweating XD).
I would be against if they asked player to walk around with pride flag around their shoulder but such a tiny logo don't disturb anybody.

Which policies was it? In France people don't care as long as they're getting paid. For me I guess so long as they don't ask me to scam and lie to customer I don't care much.
In Europe it's not scoled we can do what we want in tribune, people often get dressed as templar and nobody care (they cared only in qatar), we're a free country so anything is ok except nazi flag.
In Germany they let Ukrainian sing a song against Putin (which is a political things but they didn't cared). Too French football team voiced their political opinion about the election not long ago and nobody really cared, everyone think it's ok because they're people like us who have a right to freedom of speech so I guess we're more liberal than American in those case.
But yes pride flag ok but not Christian in USA is weird.

This suck, it seem gag don't want me to send pictures only links of site work

[KostasKouvalis]

I know. Some matches and tournaments you have to pay for or watch on app or in Spanish. It's so annoying. It used to be you could only watch the World Cup on PayPer View.

Exactly! They didn't bother anyone here either, until they started being bullies and flaunting it and demanding special treatment, and when the media started elevating them to such high status. There's a very popular reality show here, the host stopped saying "Come on in guys", because one gender-neutral person on the show whined about it. And they actually instituted a policy that half the contestants must either be bisexual or non-White. It's crazy! Did you see the freak who won Eurovision? 20 years ago, he would've been booed off the stage!

Yeah, the girl from my work was bisexual and she didn't like it either.

It's the same thing here with black people and slavery. California is actually planning to give them reparations but when a conservative YouTuber asked supporters of it if they would give some of their own money to the next black person who walks by, they all said "NO". One girl on here commented, "If you can prove to me that you were enslaved, I'll give you reparations." Another actually claimed she's suffering the effects of her great great grandmother being enslaved. Here too, they complain about White people when it was black people who sold other black people to Arabs. There were also indentured servants from Europe and India. Exactly! The blacks in Africa cry about how evil colonialism was and how non-blacks shouldn't be allowed to work as models, singers or actresses because they aren't "real Africans", and also how they want African countries to sever all ties with White people and kick them all out, yet these same people will migrate to a White Western country the first chance they get! They also treat migrants poorly, but complain about poor conditions in Italy! Hypocrites!

[KostasKouvalis]

It was Croatians and Albanians chanting it, because some Serbian fans displayed a flag showing Kosovo as part of Serbia, likewise Albanian fans displayed flags showing Kosovo as a sovereign state. Albania supports Kosovo and Croatia doesn't like Serbia because they had a war with them. It seems most Europeans hate Serbs.

Honestly, the "respect" stuff is a joke, because FIFA discriminates themselves. They banned Russia for invading Ukraine, after Poland complained, but they didn't ban Azerbaijan for invading Nagorno-Karabakh other countries committing or threatening war. And they gave the last Under 20 World Cup to Argentina instead of Indonesia, because the governor of Bali said he won't allow the Israeli team to compete, but then they let them host the Under 17 World Cup a few months later. Not to mention, they said they're giving Saudi Arabia the 2034 World Cup and didn't even give Australia a chance to submit their bid.

It was more of a big deal in US Women's soccer, because their captain and star player is a lesbian and she was bullying teammates who didn't want to wear pride colors or kneel for the national anthem. The kneeling was so stupid, because they hate their country but are competing for it? Even Europeans started doing it when it was about American issues

[KostasKouvalis]

That's a good point.
Oh my God! One of our high school history teachers had us do something similar. She made us pick a famous black person we like, and write a short sentence on why we admire them. She didn't have us do that for any other race. I ended up just picking Mandela, but now I kick myself over it after I learned what kind of person he truly was. But threathening expulsion is crossing the line. She sounds even worse than American teachers. I remember reading that some teacher in America made her students write a paper shitting on White people.
They HATE when you compare them to pedophiles, but a lot of them are. One of my friends was molested on his Mormon mission and the guy wanted to adopt him even though he was an adult. And if they find you attractive, they stare at you with no shame.
Yeah, what's annoying is the Incas use the rainbow flag. I own one. It has an extra color, but people are so stupid they'll think it's the gay flag. A lot of people are annoyed that they appropriated the rainbow. At least the LGBT flag with the extra colors on it, doesn't look like anything else. That's so funny that he doesn't know what it means, 'cuz you see it everywhere now! But some gay guy didn't even know what some of the extra colors mean. I don't know if my mom knows the trans one.
LOL. People make those jokes online all the time, saying things like, "I didn't know the African Cup was happening this year" or reffering to French team as "Francafrica". My mom doesn't like when there are black players on teams of countries that have a White populations. And she doesn't like the concept of clubs "buying" players from other countries. I sometimes don't even, but at the same time, it's so common for certain groups to specialize in certain things. But I heard Le Pen complained that a black French lady is singing at the Olympics.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah Nazism is a sensitive issue. I received some backlash on here recently simply for saying that it was Adolph Eichmann who orchestrated the Holocaust, and that Hitler's original plan for the Jews was mass deportation, and for saying that Hitler actually had some good policies in terms of the enviroment, economy and social issues. There was a black YouTuber who critiqued one of Hitler's speeches that he gave before the Holocaust, and his analysis was as expected. Almost everyone in the comments was telling him that he is ignorant and uninformed, because the speech was given BEFORE the Holocaust and he took it completely out of context. He ended up removing all the comments and disabling any further ones from being posted. That's the kind of biased/close minded shit that pisses me off. Why is it that with certain people/events it's only okay to talk about the side that fits the mainstream narrative? That's why I enjoy talking to YOU, because you're objective and willing to see the full picture. :)

That our self-pay machines don't take coins, that we're no longer allowed to give people free 15 minute passes, but mostly it didn't sit well with me how much they kiss the asses of military so much, and how sensitive they were about the American flag. Also, working at a government job sucks, because you have to follow government decrees. Like you have to lower the flag to half staff for something stupid, you have to do it, and then customers complain about it. I also think our flag etiquette is so stupid, and I also think the flag no longer represents what it once did. There are many things about this country I don't like.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not surprised. Shitting on Russia and Russians has become acceptable in the mainstream. My mom told a grocery clerk one time that she's Russian to see what would happened, because when she said she's Polish they were praising her, and she said that both the clerk and some customers started screaming at her and insulting her and saying that everyone hates her. When she started to get defensive, they called her "rude." She said, "That's funny, last week I was Polish and you said I was nice, this week I am Russian and you said I am rude."
I'm not a huge fan of Russians or Putin anymore, but I think it's bullshit how Russia and Russians are being treated.

Send them to my Instagram.

[KostasKouvalis]

The military thing bothered me, because a lot of them are so rude to us, especially the "disabled" ones. They get so much free stuff from us and they STILL complain, and most of them don't even look disabled. And on Veterans Day they get free entry and they have to give them special passes that say "Veteran Appreciation Day" on it. No one else gets this kind of treatment, not even police and firefighters, but these ungrateful assholes get so much praise.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No they didn't commit suicide. Sure there will be those hardliners who swear up and down that they will no longer watch games, but they will still end up watching the regular games and maybe the NFL makes an outreach to some new fans.

[MrOracle]

I didn't even know the NFL was still a thing. I checked out permanently when they started pushing BLM in sports. If you don't like this woke crap, the best thing you can do is to completely withhold your money, at all levels. No tickets, no hats, no clothes, no subscriptions - nothing.

Look what happened to Bud Light. Or Target. Look what's happening to Disney/Star Wars/Marvel. People are simply not giving them their money for this woke crap anymore, and they're in very deep shit financially. That's exactly as it should be.

Woke businesses don't get my money.

[KostasKouvalis]

I agree. I don't know anything about what's going on with Target, Star War or Marvel

[BetaBucks]

The NFL, and nearly all major corporations have sided with the left on the culture war. Corporations donate exponentially more to Democrats than Republicans, so it's pretty obvious why it played out this way. There's no "suicide" just a little reduction from right wing viewers. Maybe, instead, they'll get out of the house and lose some damn weight...

[MisterWack]

No. The NFL will always be here, remember the “OH MY GOD these… African American BLM…. They are kneeling to a flag… OH MY GOD! Yeah, this sh*t will cease too and people will continue to watch one of the greatest American sports ever.

I just don’t care about LGBTQ+ and I just don’t care about the Right Wing reactionary political bullsh*tters. This company is being more inclusive (pretending to be) for corporate greed since they don’t know how else to attract the masses into watching the boring pastime of sports.

I don’t want Bisexuals, Asexuals, Lesbians, etc. being used for market gain to pretend they care for them, hate it since the LGBTQ+ community gets hate / threats just for existing which is unfair for them.

[JesseP1nk]

Why this gay flag need to be everywhere? That whats eventually make people hate gays. Because they can't do anything without seeing their gay shit. Why can't they live their own life without make everyone to see their flag all the time. Bunch of weirdos

[IslaTheWitch]

is the NFL only about flags?

it looks like I was mistaken that it's about football :D

[Luopio27]

Pretty much all professional sports is more about money, status, political sponsorship and what not.

[RebelinSteel]

How are they, it’s been going since 2002.

250 teams in 26 Leagues.

https://ngffl.org

What exactly is wrong with it.

[Avicenna]

The leftists controlling governments and big corporations are rewarding the NFL for its "correct thinking" (as the CCP would say) with subsidies, a lack of antitrust and EEOC enforcement, and big sponsorship deals.

[genericname85]

naw. NFL is just trying to survive in this new fascist dystopia.

[Razp_Sorbet]

What's wrong with supporting a non profit organisation that gets people involved in sports?

[Anonymous]

Satan comes to rob, kill, and destroy. And he is succeeding with his plan, ESPECIALLY since he was freed from the pit of Hell. We absolutely must not participate in the immoral wickedness that Satan WANTS us to participate in

[OtterMan68]

no, it'll still be highly profitable. People will still support their favorite team just like they did when players knelt and they played the "Black National Anthem."

[KostasKouvalis]

🤢🤮

[wiltingrosepetal]

Are you telling me people are showing LGBT support in pride month? How whacky!

[CrabCakes11]

No. The majority of people aren’t cry babies who have mental breakdown over colors

[handsomelad70]

No, but the NFL IS choc-a-bloc with religious fanatic players, executives and fans who oppose this undertaking.

[zagor]

It's a pretty minor thing, in reality. It's not like it is going to be the halftime entertainment.

[gorydetails]

There’s already gay flag football.

[HaleyWalker]

No because in America there's this thing called freedom and human rights some people forget that and I don't count those people as true Americans.

[KostasKouvalis]

That doesn't mean people need to support you. What happened to the rights of normal people? Also, equal rights does not mean special rights

[HaleyWalker]

They don't need to agree with me but they at least need to respect the rights of other people which they tend to fail at and just the fact that you would say that I already know that you're one of those people I'm talking about

[princeofromance]

No, they are showing their diversity and willingness to accept people for who they truly are.

[RedInnocent69]

No. Americans aren’t as obnoxious as some obnoxious Americans think they are.

[DextroShade]

The Pride flag is the swastika of our age.

[Massageman]

You mean the NFL is still ALIVE?