Man, first of all, let me say if my guy proves to be guilty of sexual assault/harassment, I will be too done.
Three women have accused him of rape/sexual harassment.
Tchiya Amet accuses him of rape from decades ago back in 1984. Supposedly he drugged her. She does not provide many details of the incident. She is vague about the timing. She does not remember how she got home. She only vaguely remembers him being on top of her and him performing oral sex on her. But it should be easy to confirm if they were associates or not. Tchiya Amet Then there is Dr. Katelyn N. Allers. She claims Tyson groped her at an event, right after this photo was taken. Apparently, he was only looking for a tattoo of Pluto but underneath her dress.
The photo even looks creepy. Finally, there is a Ashley Watson, who says Tyson repeatedly made sexual advances towards her. Supposedly, he even once invited her back to his apartment for a glass of wine. Tyson at the time was 60, takes of his shirt/shoes, puts on romantic music and starts to make suggestive comments. So she tries to leave. He attempts to stop her and asks for a hug and apparently suggests that he wants "more".
The next day she approached him about the incident and he tells her she won't get anywhere in the physics field because she is too distracting.
I am going to follow developments. I love Dr. Tyson and have followed him for a long time. If these women are making these accusations up, then they need to be held accountable. But I can tell you this, if any single one of the incidents were proven to be true, that would result in the immediate dismissal of any of my employees or an employee of any of the clients that I work for.
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I guess people are missing the point, either deliberately or otherwise.
If you sexually harass someone at your place of work and those allegations are proven to be correct, you will lose your job.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson is the host of "Cosmos". If he had made unwanted sexual advances towards the women at his place of work, he will be dismissed.
It is definitely a situation where things could have been misinterpreted, with Dr. Allers and the assistant Ashley Watson. The last last Ms. Amet could just be a relationships gone bad. He admits to a consensual affair.
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We'll see. At this point, after what has transpired as part of the whole #MeToo movement in recent months, I am very skeptical to say the least.
If he is guilty, I hope he pays a stiff price for his actions. But I am REALLY tired of seeing famous / important men being publicly accused like this because their careers and reputations are damaged or destroyed right from the get-go. Not OK. I will say that at least this time the accusers' identities were made public as well, which is often not the case, and completely unfair (e. g., Aziz Ansari).
I think that statement is really inaccurate. I don't think men have their careers destroyed because of false accusations. As for accusers identities, I think the issue is threat to life. It didn't appear that Tyson's fans would be so rabid that they would start making death threats.
Someone like Tavis Smiley, however, because he is so political there was a definite fear.
"I don't think men have their careers destroyed because of false accusations."
This ^^ statement is pure ignorance. Of course it happens. I know of one case that was very close to me personally my family), and of course there are others. What an ignorant thing to say.
I didn't say it did not happen. I am only saying that there have been many more cases where men were actually guilty or went onto have long lasting careers after the allegations were made, even though eventually the truth came out.
That's all I am saying. Men should not be falsely accused.
But you don't solve that problem by refusing to investigate. You investigate and find out the truth.
And it is amazing to me that most posters at GaG, do not agree that allegations must be taken seriously.
I don't really care what you think of me sir. If you wish to meet in a public setting or talk to me via phone or video conference, that can be arranged.
Whenever a man gets accused of this, I automatically say it's false. Too many cases have been proven false for me to believe any accusations women bring up. So until solid evidence proves that he's guilty, I stand by innocent until proven guilty. Especially when it's women accusing men. When genders are reversed, I believe the men because we rarely stand up and talk about being abused. Those who do stand up will only do it if it's true. #BelieveAllMen
You can, but you have to dig deep because modern liberal media does everything it can to hide those accusations. Join any men's rights group and you will see these stories from professional sources every few days.
Nah, if you just made it up. Like many at GaG. You wish to debate your feelings and how this incident made you feel. And how you feel like women are getting away with stuff.
You don't have facts. You have your hurt feelings over this incident when it is quite obvious that Tyson won't be indicted of anything. The worst thing that could happen to him is that he could lose his job. And the thing that is funny is, there are plenty of men, who have done these despicable deeds who have figured out how to make amends and found ways to go on with their lives.
There are even women who defend men who are not only accused, but guilty of these acts.
But we have to be so concerned over your hurt feelings.
A woman accusing a wealthy influential man with a vague story of rape from 30 years ago with no idea when or where it happened. I've been raped, I know when and where.
I posted this because it was about sexual harassment and many people at GaG still don't understand your employer can fire you if the allegations are proven truthful. This has nothing to do with your obsession of race or any criminal legality.
So your saying he should be fired as the Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York Cit all because someone from 30 years ago made vague allegations of rape?
If any one of these three incidents are proven to be true, it is grounds for dismissal. I have been in too many HR incidents over possible sexual harassment to count. I employ people Rissyanne. I have to know this stuff.
The world has moved on. He and others need to leave young girls alone or risk finding this kind of trouble from the twitter brigade or law. However, rewriting 30 yo half remembered history using a modern lens, I find a bit much.
@madgoat And I don't see how that relates to my point. I mentioned it because if more women come forward with similar stories then it could establish a pattern of behavior.
But if even one of these incidents are proven to be true, that would grounds for dismissal. And I don't know if people here at GaG actually understand that.
@SuccessfulHornDog Accusation certainly does not equal guilt. I am quite certain Dr. Tyson has retained employment and will do so if the allegations are proven to not be true.
If its true he seems like a total dickhead, ironically successful physicist's in the past and other academics have been documented as being philanderous evil dickheads. Einstein supposedly beat his wife, and Schrödinger was an over sexed wierdo and also a pedo.
Didn't know about Schrödinger though. He was never one of my favs.
All of our heroes, it doesn't matter who they are, have dark sides. But the are only human after all. MLK Jr. mercilessly cheated on Coretta. And Coretta was absolutely gorgeous.
Bah I dunno About these. I don’t think the actual situation was dramatic like that But that last girl lol just too sexy for physics. She is sexy though 😛
Well, I think there were several charges that were proven to be fake. But Ford was never investigated so.
So you have one case.
As for the media reporting on this, I don't get it. These people have made their fortunes by being in the media. So pretending these are not newsworthy stories is just being silly.
Besides, we have a free press. As long as they do not engage in libel or slander, that should be good enough for anybody.
No the issue of legality of Tyson's conduct is not up for debate here.
Just like at different locations where I have staff deployed. They are made to understand the reputation of the company is dependent upon their conduct good or bad. Maybe you are not in the workplace yet and you don't understand that.
I am not a famous man. Nor is my company famous. But I do have a reputation and so does my consulting firm. And that is damaged whenever an employee does something unethical in the workplace.
As for Kavanaugh's reputation, I disagree. The only reason why he was not completely exonerated was because he did not advocate for a full investigation into what happened.
Yeah, I heard a couple of months ago that there were some allegations, but I didn't see any media coverage, so I didn't think anything of it. But it looks like there's at least something.
I guess it will be the same for me as with Kevin Spacey - I will not dismiss his work. I guess? I don't know. I have very mixed feelings about such things.
Yeah, I would feel conflicted. It isn't like Neil is all that published. I think his best stuff comes from a variation on Hawking's no boundary proposal. An excellent theory on the origin of the universe.
The only people who know if it’s true are Dr Tyson and the 3 women. Public opinion shouldn’t matter. I’m sick of these accusations being tried in the media rather than in a court of law.
"But I can tell you this, if any single one of the incidents were proven to be true, that would result in the immediate dismissal of any of my employees or an employee of any of the clients that I work for"
I don't see why an unrelated incident would matter to you or any of your employees or your professional world at all.
Oh, because sexual harassment is an offense is grounds for dismissal. So if you have a job and you sexually harass someone, your "job" can dismiss you.
You seem to not be able to grasp what I am pointing out to you quite a bit for someone who isn't retarded.
I don't know how much clearer I can make this: the way you wrote the description implies that if DR TYSON is found guilty, YOU will have to sack employees OF YOUR OWN. Fuck sake.
This was written by you: "I am going to follow developments. I love Dr. Tyson and have followed him for a long time. If these women are making these accusations up, then they need to be held accountable. But I can tell you this, if any single one of the incidents were proven to be true, that would result in the immediate dismissal of any of my employees or an employee of any of the clients that I work for."
So if I can bring you back to the point, It is about that paragraph, not the word accused. It's specifically about where mention that if one of these incidents pertaining to Dr Tyson's individual case is proven guilty it would result in the dismissal of employees who work for YOU. Even though this has nothing to do with you or your employees. Understand now?
If one of these three incidents are proven true, that will result in Tyson's immediate dismissal.
You can pretend that it says something else. But I will tell you as an employer, HR consultants use incidents in the media to provide us understanding when it comes to employing people and possible sexual harassment issues.
Have you ever had to sit through sexual harassment training?
I have, several times.
It sucks. It is mundane, but you have to do it to ensure your clients your employees will contribute to a positive work environment.
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