Almost totally made up. Of course. "As it turns out, the only thing being tortured here is the truth. The episode says more about the right-wing disinformation machine and its crusade against Fauci than it does about research funded by Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. It turns out that this Tunisian study was erroneously attributed to NIAID. NIAID did, however, fund different research in Tunisia — and the beagles weren’t puppies, they weren’t euthanized, they weren’t “de-barked,” and they weren’t “trapped” so “flies could eat them alive.” The dogs were given an experimental vaccine and allowed to roam. There was a very good reason for this: Dogs are the main reservoir host (and flies the main vector) of the disease that was being studied, which affects half a million people a year, particularly children, and has a 6 percent mortality rate in Tunisia." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/25/fauci-puppy-experiments-conspiracy-republicans/
Thank you for posting that link, not that it will help the Trumptopian "fake noose" crowd. The usual right-wing playbook would have been to smear him as homosexual, pedophile or having illegitimate children. Now it's "puppy torture", how creative.
@Jersey2 I am still waiting for someone to show me a false story in the Washington Post or the NY Times. Just read one of these newspapers and stay away from fringe media with their bile and hatred.
People trusted this guy back in 2020, while I doubted him from day one (yes, even back when Trump was in office). I doubt anything will happen to him. If people won't push for impeachment of Joe Biden, but will gladly want Trump impeached twice, then it's highly unlikely anything will happen to Fauci.
Also, nothing will happen to Peter Daszak in a few years when it's revealed (by mainstream media; its already public knowledge right now) that the COVID vaccines are all poison that permanently cripples your immune system and leaves you dependent on pharmaceuticals for the rest of your life, and may even destroy your unborn children, too. People are so FUCKING dumb though, they'll deride it as a "conspiracy theory" while they all slowly die, and medical experts around the world are warning people of this right now (but being censored). By the time people will start listening in a few years, Peter Daszak will have made billions of dollars and be untouchable, not that he's the only one involved in this massive web of evil.
So in short, nothing will happen to any of these scumfucks. They're quite literally getting away with murder right now. Or at the very least, willful manslaughter.
Needs a death sentence for his crimes (Death because people with that many connections tend to go free sooner or later).
But at the same time i saw a video where he effectively tortured beagles by cutting their voxal cords out, trying them up and getting their heads eaten alive by an insect swarm. That one is so insanely evil i doubt its true since i don't see a gain for anyone to do it but at the same time it would be effective propaganda against him.
So i don't believe all of it, but obviously they did animal experiments that were cruel, and obviously he engineered bio weapons against humanity (and specific races or age groups) so he should be punished for his deeds.
As happy as I'd be to hear of him being arrested, this is SUPPOSED to be a society of law, and we don't throw people in prison based on unsupported accusations. Actually, to a horrifying degree, we DO, but that's not going to be fixed by doing MORE of it. What dog experiments did he do, and were they actually outside the bounds of medical ethics, or do they just make people uncomfortable? Were they worse than what he did to humans back in the 80's, or what he's doing to them now?
If you don't apply your principles to your treatment of your enemies, you don't have any principles.
If you're so upset about him experimenting on dogs, put your money where your MOUTH is and don't make animals suffer because you like the way they taste. If you're going to abuse animals, better do it for something we need versus enjoy the flavor of.
Because medical experimentation on animals (which I advocate finding an alternative to) helps to develop ways to treat disease while raising and keeping animals for culinary purposes breeds new ones; case and point the coronavirus pandemic.
The average American probably thinks it's handpicked from an evergreen bacon tree, by Amish virgin maids in white summer dresses. I can almost picture the commercial...
Throw his ass in a cell. The shit with the dogs is only the latest heinous bullshit we've caught this scumbag at. No comfortable white collar easy life prison, his ass needs some time with genpop.
Okay. Not like anyone paying attention didn't realize he was a shithead already. I'm sure he'll profit millions from his position and get away with everything.
@goaded. You're so brainwashed and willfully ignorant that you're actually a danger to society. If society is destroyed and all humans become slaves, it will be because of people like you.
@embracethepain These people existed and these kinds of people still exist. If more people would study history instead of erase it they might not be so eager to blindly follow big government and big pharma mandates and promises.
Without looking, because I can’t handle it today. There was an xfiles episode called 731 with this gist. Chris Carter was trying to keep this sort of info out there in the 90’s. He was told by some strange people that he didn’t realize how close he was to the truth with some of the episodes.
My thoughts are that even if the news says he is arrested it will be fake because he is a Freemason and is not doing any time for any of the illegal shit he has done. The elite control the court systems they are not letting their puppet go to jail.
@DryGermanGuy No I have knowledge that you don't have so you reject it and resort to insults. You are s true fucking moron. Go get 3 covid shots so the government can whack you. I am done with idiots like you.
Reading FATE magazine and other pulp fiction does not constitute "knowledge". Nice try! I have only two CoVid shots right now, but with my faith in the German government I might as well go for the trifecta. Still don't know where the "whacking" would come into the picture, though...
Apparently, it did, "to assess whether the drugs retard growth". Although it has nothing to do with Fauci or covid: "... in another study, which didn’t involve Tunisia and didn’t involve flies, NIAID-funded researchers did indeed perform cordectomies on 44 beagle puppies and euthanized them after the study. And here’s why: The Food and Drug Administration requires researchers to experiment on non-rodent mammals for certain classes of HIV-AIDS drugs, and for this study specifically recommended dogs. It is necessary to use young dogs (six to eight months) to assess whether the drugs retard growth. It is mandatory that the dogs be euthanized so researchers can search for damage to organ systems. And it is recommended by the Association for Assessment and Accreditation of Laboratory Animal Care that the dogs undergo cordectomies to reduce anxiety (in dogs) and hearing loss (in humans) from barking. (Beagles are used because of their uniform size.)"
Whether vivisection is a necessary part of medical research is another question. The association with Fauci is yet another obvious right-wing smear.
Ask the FDA. I guess the test subjects have to be more like humans than rats, but not as close as apes. Considering the number of pigs, cattle and chickens that die for the average person's diet, 44 animals to test life-saving medicine is sad, but not unreasonable.
I wondered that when I was typing. Maybe their size naturally varies more than beagles?
I'm sure you can find the information somewhere. It's something almost nobody wants to know, any more than people want to see video of live chicks being fed into grinders or slaughter-houses when they're killing off newborn calves to maximise milk production.
@goaded And how size would be more relevant than more similar metabolic pathways? Also, not all breeds, there's breeds of pigs that show the same characteristics, like size uniformity.}
Here's the detail, no, you just can't find this information, well, you can if you are connected.
This is totally irrelevant to the whole "Fauci eats live puppies!" outrage. He didn't choose how these things are researched, the experiments have life-saving intentions, and similar experiments have been going on for decades. It's just another angle to attack him from.
By the way, when I do a search for "why do biologists use beagles", I get half a dozen pages that look like they explain the facts before the right-wing fake outrage pages. Don't you? If not, maybe you should change your search engine.
@goaded "He doesn't" he decides, for the large part, where the funding goes.
"It has life saving intentions" of course it would say that. "Here's the why it's used", no, here's the why it could be justified to be used, first one basically says nothing or doesn't help you at all.
The last one, which is just you searching for beagle behind a paywall also doesn't help you. Even the preambles don't help you.
Just searched to go beyond paywall on the last article of the direct, found nothing. All I got was "usually used for cardiovascular preclinical". I need the specifics. As I said, pigs are also used and seem to overall produce better data.
OMFG, are you really suggesting you think that Fauci examines every one of the thousands of studies in detail and decides what kind of animal they should use? This is a made up right-wing attack, as usual. If you're a reputable scientist looking into a possible cure or treatment for a deadly disease, you deserve funding unless there's something seriously wrong with your approach. ISTR the covid vaccines were tested on (other) apes before humans. Should they have skipped that step? IDGAF if you think you know better than the scientists who devised the experiment; it's just possible that they know more on the subject than you.
@goaded No, he does establish the policy of what's to be accepted and he choses who he delegates stuff to.
As I said, usually pigs, if you gonna use something adorable at least pick something that gives better results, not something filled with congenital issues that are going to ruin your fucking data. And don't cut their vocal cords if you say you gonna dope them and justify picking them over them being docile. Specially since you are also fucking up the data through that.
"They know more of the subject than you'; then they should be perfectly able to justify it, instead of obfuscating it.
"Should they skip" they did skip a lot, by the way. And obfuscated a lot more. And demanded no liability.
@goaded If that's the mentality, how many jews millions of human lives are worth? Because we are saving a lot of lives based on nazi cruelty. (DL-50, to be exact)
That aside, as I said, it's completely pointless if the puppies aren't saving any lives.
And here's the most important question, since you are talking about qualifications, what are your qualifications? I know, your qualifications is making arguments against yourself without even knowing.
The point, as I've been trying to get over for some time now, is that this is just another way to groundlessly attack Fauci whose only crime was to give people accurate guidence on how to combat the pandemic.
I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say at the beginning, Jews are humans.
It's LD-50 (Lethal Dose, 50%), and I remember being upset about it in the 1980s. I didn't know it came from Nazi Germany? It's disgusting for anything that doesn't save lives, or if its already been established that something is far less deadly than similar things.
HIV-AIDS drugs do save lives, so do vaccines for diseases with 6% mortality rate in children.
What are your qualifications? You're obviously not a biologist either, or you'd know the answers to all the questions you've been asking.
@goaded How's that a way to grotesquely attack faucci? Is he immune to his own tactics or his own responsibilities? His crime was verifiably lying while being incompetent and immoral.
"Jews are humans", but once you detach the usefulness from the sacrifice you can justify every sacrifice you want, are children humans?
"HIV drugs save lives" but not every testing saves lives. Talking about HIV, faucci is known to have fucked up in that area as well.
My qualifications is knowing what I'm talking about, since I'm talking to you that's all qualifications I need. If I'm ever to talk to an expert, then I cite the others, as long as it's not faucci, since he failed so hard that he's worst than not being qualified at all.
@goaded All the time. Specially the people doing what he told them to do 5min before he changed his mind. People that different from him, have consistency and honesty. People who from the start said "you should have the freedom to vax or not to vax. Masks could probably work, you should be free to use them or not. Social distancing could have a good effect but your shouldn't be forced to do it. 15 days to slow the spread and that's it." People who don't move the goal post with zero justification, hiding behind emotional arguments, special pleading and actually listen to science like fucking FRANCIS BACON laid it out, not people who's view of science is lysenkoistic and views of democracy are maoist.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. I asked "When has Fauci ever attacked anyone?"
I can't make out who you think he's attacked "all the time", from what you wrote. Are you suggesting that giving out medical advice is an attack on people?
You seem to be complaining that he's both got a fixed and unbending view of science and also moving the goalposts "with zero justification" when advice changes because of new evidence.
@goaded He didn't just gave medical advise, medical advise, like all advise comes with freedom to take it to heart or not. And by his own standards, his medical advice is everywhere and contradicts itself every other minute.
Nope, he got a special pleading view of science like he's a prophet from god who can't be questioned even while he's flip flopping every other turn and never justifies itself and is proven wrong all the time.
Nothing will happen. AG Garland is more focused on sicking the FBI on parents at school board meetings than enforcing real broken laws such as the border or investigating Fauci on his lies under oath
"... in another study, which didn’t involve Tunisia and didn’t involve flies, NIAID-funded researchers did indeed perform cordectomies on 44 beagle puppies and euthanized them after the study. And here’s why: The Food and Drug Administration requires researchers to experiment on non-rodent mammals for certain classes of HIV-AIDS drugs, and for this study specifically recommended dogs. It is necessary to use young dogs (six to eight months) to assess whether the drugs retard growth. It is mandatory that the dogs be euthanized so researchers can search for damage to organ systems. And it is recommended by the Association for Assessment and Accreditation of Laboratory Animal Care that the dogs undergo cordectomies to reduce anxiety (in dogs) and hearing loss (in humans) from barking. (Beagles are used because of their uniform size.)
Above all, this is no frivolous pursuit: The drugs under study are promising next-generation antiretrovirals that can be administered to HIV/AIDS patients less frequently — potentially saving countless human lives." www.washingtonpost.com/.../
But the thing they're talking about wasn't that: "NIAID did, however, fund different research in Tunisia — and the beagles weren’t puppies, they weren’t euthanized, they weren’t “de-barked,” and they weren’t “trapped” so “flies could eat them alive.” The dogs were given an experimental vaccine and allowed to roam. There was a very good reason for this: Dogs are the main reservoir host (and flies the main vector) of the disease that was being studied, which affects half a million people a year, particularly children, and has a 6 percent mortality rate in Tunisia."
That's a lot better reason than testing make-up, or even testing the harm smoking does.
@goaded sounds like it. Animal testing is necessary for some things, that's why I asked. Looking at the actions alone without understanding the cause makes anything look bad.
They are not quite telling us why the experiments were done. Just that they put sedated Beagles in a box and let sand-flies feast on their heads. I mean, one could make a scientific experiment about dog fighting, determining the strongest breeds, their behaviors when injured, etc. Not all science is good science.
@goaded so it’s not? Then this is why having a failed media is so bad. There is no source of truth. So the dog experiment is bullshit? Do you have anything credible that refutes it?
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