Do you support Hamas or Israel?

[Jersey2]

Do you support Hamas or Israel?

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[Anonymous]

So I keep seeing comments about how it's important to differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinians and how "not all Palestinians support Hamas" and whatnot. Which IS true. But I don't think you can go from that to "no strikes against Hamas are morally justified because they result in the deaths of non-Hamas Palestinians." Bear in mind that the people of Palestine DID vote in Hamas in a landslide and have not risen up against Hamas. And more than that, they seem to be majority supporters of Hamas. It's absolutely unfortunate that non-combatants will be killed, but the cancer has to be removed.

[Jersey2]

And now, Hezbollah has to make the same decision for southern Lebanon. Perhaps Iran will hold them back or else look like cowards when they do not join the fight because the US will annihilate them or wound them such that their own people rise up against them.

[loveslongnails]

I support finding a way to co-exist.

[strateguy632]

coexisted with who? the ones who abducted jew hostages?

[loveslongnails]

@strateguy632 You insist on boiling things down to a few recent events while overlooking years of events. Go back and see how Israel was formed, educate yourself a bit, and then try and figure out what I'm talking about. Perhaps you don't realize there were people there when the US and Britain "gifted" them the land, just like there were natives in the USA when white folks arrived and eventually took it. So there's been an ongoing problem.

Also, try VERY hard, with all your might, to NOT turn my comments into "you support Hamas", like so many ignorant people do. Israel has not been angelic in their treatment of Palestinians, and vice-versa. Currently, the Israeli population is fighting on two fronts - the dictatorship attempts of Netanyahu to crush freedoms, (like the right-wing fascists in the USA) and now, an actual war - the "perfect re-unite the country distraction". Only that's not working either. The people STILL want Netanyahu out, and they'll STILL have the problem of the last 75 years.

[nightdrot]

Voted for neither as, from an American perspective, it should properly be viewed as a strategic calculation, not a moral decision. That said, your characterization of it as two children fighting over a toy is an unjustified trivialization of the question.

There are serious moral issues at stake, and it has been an accepted principle of international affairs - at least since the end of World War I if not before - that national self-determination is the right of a people. It's partly the reason why the victorious Allies broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire and it is why imperialism is in such bad repute today.

That said, international affairs are about power, not principle - except insofar as sovereign powers have the ability to assert their moral principles. In the Palestinian-Israeli case, there are conflicting nationalisms, though in the Palestinian case, the sense of national identity is somewhat weak - with Palestine divided between Palestinian nationalist, Islamist and (to some degree) pan-Arab identities.

These splits within the Palestinian community have significantly weakened the Palestinian cause, with about the only thing holding the Palestinian factions together is their ardent right to return to what they consider historic Palestine. In that connection, it should not be forgotten that the United Nations Organization divided the territory in a two state solution and it was the Palestinian Arabs, not the Israeli Jews, who rejected that compromise solution.

As to the situation now, the Palestinian cause is largely over - the media images notwithstanding. The decision by the Palestinians to support Saddam Hussein's Iraq against Kuwait in the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War effectively ended Arab support for the Palestinian cause in fact if not in name.

Throw in the rivalry between Persian-Shiite-republican Iran and the Arab-Sunni-monarchies (as well as Egypt.) You now have a de facto alliance between Israel and the Arabs, effectively shutting out the Palestinians (who are increasingly looking to Iran.)

From the American viewpoint, that Arab-Israeli alliance is useful for hemming in not just Iran, which is small beer, but Russia - which in geostrategic terms matters more. In that connection, then, support for Israel makes sense.

The Palestine issue for the U. S. is secondary and if the Palestinians do not see the United States as a mediator, then that is their affair and the status quo will suffice. Palestinian options are few.

[Anonymous]

You don’t have to support either to condemn the heinous acts committed by both Hamas and the IDF/Israeli government.
It’s getting so annoying people pretending like saying you care about innocent Israelis being slaughtered means you’re “pro Israel”, or that you support genocide. Apparently the citizens of a country are fair game to be held accountable for the actions of a government. All it takes is for you to be born in a hospital in a specific country somewhere and that apparently sentences you to death.

Hamas are not Palestine.

[Jersey2]

Hamas is the government party voted in in 2006 by a landslide election which was watched by international election officials. Hamas represents the people of Gaza.

[Opinion Owner]

you’re telling me their country has terrorists as elected officials?

[Jersey2]

Yes, that is exactly what that means.

[blueonblack22]

OP people keep trying to equate the acts of the IDF to Hamas. They are NOT morally equivalent.

The IDF does not and has not issued top level commands to target and murder innocent civilians. That doesn’t mean that innocent people have been killed but the IDF. But the vast majority of that is from collateral damage. Which is very common because f*cking Hamas INTENTIONALLY puts their military HQs, military supplies and stockpiles in civilian locations (schools, mosques, hospitals, etc.). Hamas actually WANTS innocent Palestinians to get killed by the IDF. Because they know the western media will eat it up and blame Israel.

If you don’t believe me then why is Hamas doing this?

www.indiatoday.in/.../hamas-set-up-roadblocks-gaza-to-prevent-residents-from-leaving-israel-army-2449149-2023-10-15

[Jersey2]

@blueonblack22 I understand what Hamas does which is like ISIS, Iraqi Army in Past wars with the US and others. If they can murder children in their cribs they can certainly do this.

I found it interesting that when the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas into power they also were over 75% wanting peace with Israel. This is where Israel has to be careful as they need to give the people more opportunities to escape and to also be careful when they attack and bomb. These people will have peace and not war unless driven to it. But yes, kill Hamas, all of them if possible.

[blueonblack22]

Hamas also has been brainwashing the locals for years and years. Their top officials got f*cking rich from donation money.

[blueonblack22]

You should have detailed the difference between Palestinians vs. Hamas.

Hamas are made up of Palestinians but not all Palestinians support Hamas.

[Jersey2]

Hamas is the government party voted in in 2006 by a landslide election which was watched by international election officials. Hamas represents the people of Gaza.

[blueonblack22]

Hamas does represent the people of Gaza. But that doesn’t mean they ARE the people of Gaza.

But maybe you can help me out here. I am looking to call out the exact people who know all the details of the Oct 7th terrorist attack and STILL SUPPORT THESE HEINOUS ANIMALS anyway. But I am NOT calling the people of Gaza that. No. I am calling Hamas that.

Already there have been thousands of protestors in major cities and college campus who either: who refuse to denounce Hamas while cheering “free Palestine!” or worse directly support Hamas. BLM put up a post supporting Hamas with a graphic of a hang glider.

The fact this is going on the western world is horrifying. Hamas wants to kill not only Jew in Israel but in the entire world. If you support them you ARE a terrorist sympathizer and a anti semite. The time for ignorance about who they are has passed.

But I do NOT condone innocent people getting killed in Gaza. No. But wtf is Israel supposed to do after Oct 7th? Engage in “peace talks” when Hamas raped, abducted and murdered over 1000 innocent civilians including women, seniors and children?

The civilian casualties in Gaza are 100% the fault of Hamas. Now they are putting up road blocks in Gaza to stop people from evacuating.

www.indiatoday.in/.../hamas-set-up-roadblocks-gaza-to-prevent-residents-from-leaving-israel-army-2449149-2023-10-15

[petera1987]

Neither, because this crap has gone on long enough. Let them kill each other off in the name of their false gods if that's what they really want to do!

[strateguy632]

where is your empathy for those hostage jews that hammas abducted. and other countries also hostage by hammas.

[strateguy632]

i can't support terrorist so only israel is option. but israel deserved my support.

[Lottifan]

Israel.

[Willlovewinintheend]

None of them.

[Worst]

Israel