Shooting erupted at the Chiefs Super Bowl parade in Kansas City leaving one dead: thoughts?

[Anonymous]

1 dead, at least 21 others injured by gunfire at Chiefs Super Bowl parade in Kansas City

Yes, there now does not seem to be a month that goes by without a major shooting in America. This is NOT working. Your "thoughts and prayers" for the families are NOT curbing gun violence. This idea that we ignore the problem and it will go away is NOT working. Are you really content that you can't seem to go to a parade, or church, or send your kids to school without a violent act happening. This should NOT be normal way of life.

[nightdrot]

It has been well said that Americans prefer the tyranny of the streets to the tyranny of the government. Thus does the law rest lightly on public life. So in periods of relative social stability - see also he 1950s - crime rates will be relatively low, but in times of social tumult - see also the 1960s and 70s, see also the present era - social discipline declines and crime rises.

This - at a general level - explaining why the USA tends to have higher crime rates than other comparable democracies. On the narrower issue of guns, there are a variety of factors that lead to the kinds of violence the nation is seeing. That said, the immediate problem the nation has is that it has a Constitution that speaks to the right of the people to bear arms. This right is asserted under the "natural rights" tradition and is assumed to be inherent in the rights of man.

This is implausible on two counts. On the more abstract level, the right to "keep and bear arms" is implied as a right of self-defense against both criminal elements and against an overbearing government. The problem is that there is nothing inherent in self-defense that necessarily implies guns. That right can just as easily be carried out with a baseball bat as with a gun.

Suggesting a right by reference to technology is ephemeral. Such a right must then be transitory - rooted in the technology available - and cannot be absolute. Yet the right of self-defense must be absolute.

On a more practical level, I come not from the "natural rights" tradition, but "natural law." That is that I believe that such rights as we have are those that are tested by time and experience and the inherent ability of the people to exercise those rights consistent with the common good and social order.

Based on what we see in violent crime statistics and the disproportionate damage done by gun violence, it is a reasonable inference that the society has demonstrated that it is not capable of handling guns in a way that is consistent with good order. Such a right cannot by definition exist - you cannot have a right to do that which is inconsistent with the broader good.

Therefore it is reasonable to argue that the Constitutional right is, in fact, a mistake. That the right to keep and bear arms is contingent rather than inherent. Throw in that Alexander Hamilton argued against the Bill of Rights on the basis that if you articulate the rights of the people, you give the government standing to regulate those rights.

Based on all of that, I favor gun control. Albeit recognizing that it is apt to have less of an impact on societal well being than its advocates imagine. Society is what it is - and in this case we have a violent one and the Second Amendment, for good or ill, is an accomplished fact.

It must be addressed on that basis.

[TonyMetal___86]

I'm just wondering about the cause 🤔 why is it happening frequently? Is it about guns or about the people who are carrying the weapon?

For example if i'm holding a gun, will i just pull it out and kill people just like that or use it as my last resort between being 100% killed or to save my life!

No morals, no values, no loving families, no faith in god, no good upbringing, drug addicts and weapons falling in the hands of the wrong people = more and more massacres and losing innocent lives!

[Rosexøxø]

Welp it’s the Wild West again. Time to ride out on my ai horse 🐎

high- ho! Ai! 🤖

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lol

[Rosexøxø]

When will people learn to step down from their hAI horse and be humble compassionate beings again? Sheesh

[Anonymous]

I think it means….. America needs more guns.

[Anonymous]

America is a shit hole. Your "law makers" and politicians are bought by "lobbyists" America is going to crumble, capitalism is going to collapse and Americans will witness another Great Depression. If people are too young to remember the 2008-09 Great Recession in the U. S., the next Great Depression will be 100x times worse. The United States will go through a transition where the country will LITERALLY be DIVIDED and it will reflect nothing about it's name of United States in America. The western media will label certain groups as evil, the real cause of friction, tension, and mayhem will occur domestically when Americans fight each other. I wish America was safer but ignorance and absurd laws it will eventually lead to its collapse and empire. If people read history of previous empires, sure, some of them fallen due to other uprising powers, but others were destroyed from within. Ignorance is one of the worst qualities in life.

[exitseven]

Itcis easy to blame guns but the problem is that in our society, people feel like they have no voice. The government controls more and more of our lives. People feel ignored and used. The only way they can ve heard is to get a gun and shoot up an elementary school. Until the government gets out of our lives this is likely to get worse

[argot]

It's pretty simple, round up the woke retards and put them in jail. Then your gun violence problem is fixed. Like for example you. If we put people like you behind bars, then the gun violence stops.

[argot]

Would you like to be locked up or should we wait until you actually commit a crime and then run you through the legal process after you have committed a crime? Do you want to solve the problem now, or do you want to remain free? Because we know eventually you'll be called by your cult to carry out another violent attack. In America we operate under the presumption of innocence even though we know you specifically will commit a violent crime... So we watch you until we can catch you...

[QuietRunner]

John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

If the people don't act morally we must have what every other nation on earth lives under, a controlling ruling class that believes they are without fault

[normalice]

If only there was someone to say "stop injecting politics into everything!" to the shooter. Ah well. Time for right wingers to double down on that again, I guess.

[HighValue]

The people against gun ownership often support abortion that kills over 640,000 per year. They also often don't care about all the drug deaths each year that amount to over 100,000 per year.

[fantasticass]

Well, when you can get a gun from a "vending machine " what do you expect will happen? Americans love their guns. Its part of their ammendment. Sad sad 😔

[jshm2]

Yeah, just Muricans doing "freedom" things.

[shortster]

Two of the three suspects are minors (and the adult was released without charge). Which minors are not allowed to possess firearms in the state of Missouri. Also the motive seems to be an argument between the gunmen and the victims.

[Bricealan]

Another crazy son of a bitch loose in American society... what else is there to say?

[OtterMan68]

welcome to America. Have gun will use them.
The US has a gun fetish. We love our guns more than almost anything

[Alex-Snow]

Another day another mass shooting in the USA. What else is new unfortunately!

[noohair]

The two shooters were juveniles. How did they get guns and where are the parents?

[catsmemoir]

Was he a Niners fan or something?

[LivingExample]

Disgrace!!! It was supposed to be a Celebration!

[TonyMetal___86]

A criminal won't be judged only here on earth but also when he dies too, he lost his current life and after life too!

That's what i believe in!

[LivingExample]

I believe that too!

[TonyMetal___86]

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