Multiple people dead in New Orleans after a car rams through people on Bourbon Street. Terrorism?

[smahala1991]

[lightbulb27]

Starting new year with retribution attack US homeland of the war Gaza war. Call it terrorism if you want, but they are making paybacks from the US Bombs and death caused in Gaza. They started the war oct 7, which will now leak into western world.

In Gaza same day, 15 people killed by a US made bomb, of US explosives, US metal balls and metal, US paint... delivered by a US airplane with an Israeli pilot. Wome and children typical of those killed and maimed.

That was not "terrorism"... what is it? What they did in New Orleans is same, whatever that is.

I'd expect more and I'm shocked hasn't been a major event in NYC. They may feel urgency given deportations. However, this attacker was a US citizen thanks to some other idiot.

Note: I could be totally wrong but the guy has an Arabic name, drove into a crowd, had a rifle with silencer, body armor, a black flag. Um... the shoe fits...

The question you should ask is what are you going to do about it if confronted by similar situation? Gonna take a bullet for some unfortunate child?

[RiseofArtemis]

FIrst of get a brain. If its done by official military its a military action, not terrorism. The target they want to strike first needs to be aproved by the military head staff. Then it needs to be understood what the target was or is, if the target was designated as a terrorist harboring area then its a valid target, targets with only civilians and no terrorist infrastructure anywhere near are firstly completely forbiden to attack and second are clasified as warcrimes if they are.

A terrorist attack is clasified as a person wanting to harm as many innocent civilians as possible and that person usualy has no ties to any other government agencies or official military and carries out the attack usualy with conventional means that any civilian can get their hands on. Such people usualy are part of groups that are cassified as terrorist organizations. If such an attack with a car was done the same way or with guns by someone actively belonging to a foreign military or government which greenlit this attack then its an official act of war and the attacked country can strike back.

[lightbulb27]

@RiseofArtemis you really think many of these unhinged people are that logical? structure it how you want if it makes you feel better.

[Cormac995]

Almost 100% an ISIS strike. I've fucking had it at this point with those bastards and the middle east in general! I know nobody wants to go to the middle east after the war on terror, but we have to respond to this they won't leave us alone. We need to destroy as much of ISIS as possible then invade and depose the Iranian dictatorship and wipe out their nuclear weapons program.

[Cormac995]

I was born in 95 I remember 9/11 very, very well. My father-in-law was a first responder there. I've seen the footage of people jumping to their death because the alternative was to roast alive. My father in law is going to die before his time because he has permanent long term lung damage and a high likely hood of cancer. Further I've seen what ISIS deems "Holy". An SOB who gas lit me into thinking he was my friend and me got in an argument about Islam and he made me watch a beheading video to prove his point. I saw two terrorists saw off two men's heads with combat knives alive until the head came off in their hands screaming "God is good!" and what did they do? They were a gay couple that's why that was done to them. Don't ever under any circumstances watch one of those videos. I stayed because it was a five mile walk home, and he refused to give me a ride back until I watched it. I wish I walked the five miles there are things you can't unsee no matter how hard you close your eyes.

[Cuminginside]

Going overseas doesn't work we are going to have to tighten up here.

[Cormac995]

@Cuminginside We don't have a choice, Iran is a dictatorship run by a religiously fanatical mad man who's perfectly happy to martyr himself in nuclear fire in the name of their god. We did it to Sadam twice Iran probably will be about the same followed by a long occupation and rebuild.

[Cuminginside]

How about funding better diplomats I'm not talking about rivalry bribery that you have extremely intelligent diplomats that can negotiate us out of a firefight or to even prevent one.

[Cormac995]

@Cuminginside I agree that diplomacy is always preferable to war but war is a failure of diplomacy and diplomacy with Iran has been a failure for decades and not for lack of trying with both the carrot and the stick. There terrorist groups can't be reasoned with they are so fanatical and indoctrinated into the cult these terrorist groups have created they will never ever yield or compromise because it's the will of God and no cost is too high, no deed is too foul, they do not fear death and in fact embrace it. You cannot reason with someone like that, we tried negotiating with the Taliban and look at what happened at the pullout from Afghanistan? Those monsters are still hunting door to door looking for the interpreters and guides we hired and promised citizenship and safety that we couldn't get out and they're butchering their entire family husband wife or wives and their children. They wipe out the bloodline.

[RiseofArtemis]

I would say, first clean out the US from the trash that has come to you.

[IslaTheWitch]

a similar happened on Dec 20th in Magdeburg, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany...

Five people were killed in the attack and some 200 others were injured when an individual drove a rented BMW sport utility vehicle through a crowd of revelers.

Police arrested 50-year-old Saudi psychiatrist Taleb A. at the scene.

officially the incident was classified as a terrorist attack... but now we know it wasn't...

[Agape93]

Then what was it?

[IslaTheWitch]

@Agape93 "In a 2019 FAZ interview, Taleb Abdulmohsen described himself as "the most aggressive critic of Islam in history.""

he didn't want people to be scared of him... he wanted to be heard and understood by more... and he chose the stupidest possible way...
www.euronews.com/.../who-is-the-suspect-behind-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack

[DryGermanGuy]

@Agape93
The guy was apparently under board review for incompetence. He was in danger of losing his medical license. The assumption is he just snapped.

[IslaTheWitch]

@DryGermanGuy yep, another possibility...

[SquishyBuns2628]

According to the definition yes. Depending on where the Lone Wolf was from it can also be classified as Domestic Terrorism.

[TadCurious]

Horrific tragedy.

The reports I've seen say the terrorist had a black Islamic State flag with him.

Among other things, this is an immigration issue. Why was this man even in our country?

Religion of peace.

[smahala1991]

He was born here

[Red_Arrow]

And he was a US veteran.

[katiesmuff]

Another terrible thing to end 2024 with! These senseless acts of violence so unnecessary yet very hard to discover and stop before it takes place.

[PeterLegg91]

Same with London 🇬🇧 mi5 knew about the suspect or suspects was being monitored but couldn't and didn't stop him attacking

[Dargil]

Didn't take long to figure out why. It was Allahu M. Akbar representing The Religion Of Peace. Not those damned Republican white supremacists or The Jews.

[Arwen06]

Incorrect, it was a US military veteran from Texas

[KingslayerC]

@Arwen06 who was a middle eastern Muslim, flying an ISIS flag. So, not a white Republican or a Jew. So, nothing Dargil said was incorrect, and nothing you said contradicts anything he said. What was your point then? What did you gain with this reply?

[KingslayerC]

White supremacist* Republican

[Arwen06]

Incorrect again, he was a US military veteran and also Muslim, flying an ISIS flag. His only connection to the middle east being his involvement in the illegal middle eastern wars of the 00-'10s

[Dargil]

@Arwen06 with an Isis flag in his truck and Isis posts on socials.

[Arwen06]

Yep correct, but he was American not middle eastern

[Dargil]

@KingslayerC leftists are anti-reality.

[KingslayerC]

@Arwen06 he is ethnically middle eastern, so not a white supremacist. So, wrong again. Being a military veteran doesn't change your ethnicity.

[Arwen06]

I never mentioned his ethnicity. I mentioned that he was born, raised and served in the USA. He got his weapons and mindset from the USA. It's a USA problem

[KingslayerC]

@Arwen06 you said white supremacist. You clearly tried to make a claim about his ethnicity. Nice try though. Lying might satisfy you, but it won't fool anyone.

So, to summarize, he was a middle Eastern Muslim who flew an ISIS flag while murdering random people. Also likely a Democrat donor based on some donor history. You lose, liar.

[KingslayerC]

This one obviously is. Or just a liar. She probably actually fully understands reality, but think that lying is going to fool some people.

[Dargil]

@Arwen06 Weak. Read all of the news, not just what you want to believe,

[Arwen06]

Are you blind? I never called him a white supremacist. I just stated facts. He was born in Texas, therefore an American. He served in the military, therefore a veteran. They "found" an ISIS flag on his possession, and also recent videos of him admitting a connection. He was just another insane American with a gun at the end of the day. Skin colour has nothing to do with it

[KingslayerC]

@Arwen06 you literally said "incorrect" to someone saying it wasn't a white supremacist Republican. Which means you believe it was one. Or were pretending to believe that. Which is you saying it. Maybe you misspoke. But you said it directly in response to that comment. The comment also mention him being Muslim and not a Jew. Both are correct. You said "incorrect" then randomly brought up military service and citizenship. Irrelevant to the aforementioned descriptors. So, you were wrong or lying.

And no matter what you say, the facts are still clear that this was a middle eastern Muslim who committed an act of terrorism while flying an ISIS flag on publicly available video. You fucking lose. Liar.

[Dargil]

@Arwen06 ***suppresses yawn***

[Avicenna]

Of course it was terrorism- ISIS terrorism, in fact. Real surprise…..

[malarkey]

https://x. com/JDunlap1974/status/1871769990812090729? mx=2

[AviatorTom]

Not terrorism. Just an evil person. Too bad the crowd didn't lynch him.

[Cuminginside]

Do you think they have the gumption to do that nowadays? They can't even waddle fast enough to the ebt office. I haven't heard of any civilians pulling their firearms even though it's a constitutional carry state.

[AviatorTom]

@Cuminginside At least he's dead, after a gunfight with police.

[KingslayerC]

It turns out the FBI lied about it not being terrorism. The killer was flying an ISIS flag. The cops on scene had covered the flag up too.

[AviatorTom]

@KingslayerC FBI has announced that the guy acted alone. Yes, he favored the Islamic state but he acted alone, a messed up guy.

[KingslayerC]

That's still an act of terrorism though. Killing in the name of an ideology, especially a terrorist org one, is still terrorism, regardless of whether or not you have accomplices.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

It also doesn't require official, legal membership of a group a person claims to represent or act on behalf of. And even so, we wouldn't know if this were the case until a long, extensive digital device and records review of decades of the guy's history has been conducted. Still irrelevant though.

[KingslayerC]

Also, the FBI is a political organization, not a truth telling organization. Their claim that be acted alone is literally 100% impossible to make this early. Which means they are, without a doubt, lying again. After the first lie about it not being a terrorist incident. It's better not to trust anything they say at this point. Many of their workers are just psychopathic criminals that sought the job for power and other selfish reasons.

[malarkey]

When do you plan to push for legislation to confiscate all automobiles?

[Cormac995]

@malarkey Don't worry they won't. Because soon owning a car is going to be a pipe dream like owning a house in this economy. No need to ban something only the upper class can afford.

[Cuminginside]

@Cormac995 I'm afraid your assessment may have a point down the road.

[malarkey]

@Cuminginside yep, they want to limit mobility and freedom of movement.

[strateguy632]

Exactly terrorism, deliberately attacked civilians.

[Anonymous]

these attacks are only gonna get worse and more frequent

[Anonymous]

I guessed as much before they confirmed his identity.

[LiamJHayden]

Yes. And of course we now need to ban assault vehicles.

[Anonymous]

It is, but shit stain leftists will withhold judgement until their politics and DEI status are confirmed.

[007kingifrit]

islam should not be recognized as a valid religion and all legal protections removed

[mandyfire98]

It's not terrorism. No CEOs were in the crowd.

[Cuminginside]

I like that deflection That was pretty smooth we don't know yet maybe there was in the crowd that got injured.

[PeterLegg91]

It was terrorism, the guy had an isis flag in his car and it's on BBC news here in the uk it's a terror attack

[mandyfire98]

You only get charged with that if you kill a rich CEO.

[PeterLegg91]

Wtf you going on about it?

[mandyfire98]

So if one person only shoots one other person and that's it, is that terrorism or just murder?

These days I'm just confused what the actual rule is.

[PeterLegg91]

Depends on the crime committed, the guy drove into a crowd of people and fired a gun at officers , they're both trademarks of Islamic terrorism

[mandyfire98]

So if somebody were to just walk up and shoot you and nobody else and then walk away. Would they be charged with terrorism? Or just murder?

[PeterLegg91]

That'd be murder or attempted murder

[mandyfire98]

Just making sure. The United States has difficulty charging what should be terrorism vs what's not terrorism. Usually it's when copious amounts of money are involved.

[PeterLegg91]

In the uk weve had so many terror attacks committed by Islamic terrorists, 2005 London attacks were the worst

[Cuminginside]

@PeterLegg91 maybe you should stop inporting them in.

[PeterLegg91]

Us Brits don't want them in our country, the government keep letting them in

[IknowthatIdontKnow09]

For me that is terrorism

[beefcakebradybatson]

Sure seems like terrorism.

[msc545]

No - a car accident.

[Agape93]

Looks like it