This is a very good example of how everyone has their own perception of the world around them. Because for me it is far more about the intelligence a woman has and that she is able to keep herself in decent shape through exercise.
As for physical standards for men, there are definitely social standards. Men who are too fat or too skinny are frowned upon, geeks and gamers are at times past over for someone with muscles. There have been news reports on how many women won't date a guy under 5 foot 10 inches in height.
So yeah, there are definitely standards each gender has for the other, as for the ones you're referring specifically, I'm not sure what those are from.
You're projecting. The high standards set for women, are set by women. Women do the vast majority of the shaming (a statistical fact). And to claim there are no standards for men is utterly ridiculous. Men must be strong, tall, muscular, lean, well groomed and smell good to be considered hot. And that's not even considering the personality standards. Here's a nice little statistic for you. On average, women consider 80% of men to be below average in attractiveness. On average men consider 50% of women to be below average.
It totaly depends on the person. There are a lot of superficial boys but also a lot of superficial girls out there. But for me one thing is for shure. I can fall in love with a person I find semi attractive but is really kind and funny... But not with a super attractive model who is a shitty person.
Se doesn't need to have big boobs or a big butt I don't care at all. All tho I like more petite girls, having a completly flat stomach doesn't really look healthy, except if she's doing lots of sport. In the end she should look well groomed, smile a lot and her weight should be healthy. But she doesn't have to be a totaly pretty perfect doll... And her height doesn't matter to me at all.
Its high for both , but there is far more pressure on women. You need the correct gear , and the correct outcome and it needs to look like you " Did it easy " . I would never be with a large set woman , they just be slim , athletic , with some style , and its pretty easy to get to this criteria. Womens other problem is child birth , this ro*ts the body , you need to work really hard , and be super careful of diet. Its tougher for women , no doubt , but most important is to not be over weight , and have a nice arse , then you will always be okey. Most important , no excuses , keep trim and active.
In a book that I read it said that (to men) women are sex objects and (to women) men are success objects, which would make sense why women's looks would be more important. Looks has a lot to do with sexual attraction/stimulation especially because men are very visual and women with that 36'' 24'' 36'' measurement has been shown to be more successful carriage of baby. It's more important that men have money and other factors that indicate success at raising a baby in a stable, healthy environment (which makes since of why old men can lure young women with money). from a biological point of view. it's unfair, i know, i hate it... or perhaps, it's cultural? answer my question please,
Lol. Some of you ladies crack me up. Wht do you bother to even give those guys one minutes thought. We are who we are. Although i choose to be a lesbian. All my doctors are females. None of them have ever said i was to thin lasked an ass of need to get a boob job. I am 5foot 1 inch tall and i weigh around 85 to 90 pounds. Depending on if im getting my friend over. You know what i mean. My boobs are a nice small a Acup size wi th a 28 inch band. All those women out there affected by these guys it is totally up to yoy to ignore them. If you do that then they will start to leave you aloner. Come on now. er take control of your own life
It’s how we are wired men want nubile woman with eye catching aesthetics such big nicely shaped boobs, a full ass that’s not fat, long legs and pretty symmetrically faces.
Guys want a healthy attractive woman to have a good time and knock up before moving on to the next one. Cave men style we fighting human nature by staying with one woman that’s why we always drawn to over woman throughout are lives regardless of the relationship. The personality of the woman is not important since are instincts are to not stay with the woman long term so it bears little weight on attraction. It’s are conscious mind that cares about their personality but it wouldn’t stop are urge to sleep with them if given the chance.
Woman are hardwired to be attracted to confident, socially adept men that can protect and look after them and their offspring. The looks of a man doesn’t effect his ability to be a good provider so woman put less importance on it subconsciously. It’s why bad boys are so attractive to most woman they are attracted to their vibe and it tricks them into thinking make a great partner and dad. Yet they usually have lots of baggage which is the upset of a stable partner.
As guys we have the advantage over woman who can’t control how they look due to their genes and have limit to how attractive they can be in a guys eyes with the use of make up and keeping in shape. But of course looks fade so their is a time limit.
We men do have total control of are attractiveness through way we interact even if we might be born with unfortunate genes such as less comely face or not as physical fit as woman have to be. We can improve are sexual attractiveness over time by working on our selfs.
It maybe a long time ago but are primal nature still rules within us.
It is what it is. But I think part of it has to do with a culture of women being attractive. I think men can be attractive but that's not the main things that attract a woman to a man.
ok so there is athletic body but I feel like for men physical attractiveness is more important and for women that non-physical characteristics are more important, LIke can he protect me and can he take care of me.
I could be wrong on this. But I feel like biology plays a role here.
I have to be 6'0 at LEAST, and a good amount of buff, but not like hulking out buff. I can't have pimples, the "perfect" amount of stubble, a smaller nose... very little gray hair, and now it's getting to a point where I have to have good eyebrows.
I also have to pull in at LEAST $60,000 a year on my own, be a hard worker and super ambitious, and have a steady (and brag worthy) job but only work the equivalent of 35-40 hours a week and be able to take off for a while. And if I ever lose my job, I have to find another within 6-12 months (now it's commonly becoming 3-6 months).
not trying to make your statement any less valid, but it ain't that much easier for us as well. the only diference is that the reactions to our physical reality being diferent from the physical standard are more veiled, less on the face. it might have something to do with fear of repercussion (the consequences of words said) or it might be something to do with the power hierarchy that comes with patriarchy *shrugs* but the standard is still there, there's just less talk about it. we do lose jobs because of it, we do lose relationship opportunities becuase of it, we are ridicularized because of it, just on a more discreet way. penis size is also a great deal on that standard, where i usually don't see such rage about the boob size competition, even tho im sure its there. to summarize, most humans are assholes, and they will be assholes no matter who they want to be assholes against.
It's not a must, and most women have at least two of these features. It's more like the ideal body type, the healthiest bodies have certain characteristics. Not all guys love big breast and big asses , I love girls who are petite 😍😍😍. That fine sexy body. 😍❤︎💘. 🍆🍌 yeah... Anyways women also have high standards for men but it's usually attainable after half a year in the gym, getting his shit together and being an Alpha Male. Real men are already striving for these goals. The real problem is women short change themselves. They feel they need the ideal body to attract the alpha males, but all they need to be is fit and healthy. Being fat isn't very attractive for men or women and not very healthy either.
I'm not saying that your statement isn't true, in fact it is. But it's not as bad as you may think. Most men just want a healthy looking woman.
I didn't answer your question did I? Well... women are beautiful creatures without them we be dead. Because of this women were always taken care of back in the old days, in some ways the legal system still does make sure of this, mainly because men mostly run it. That's why women were never forced to go to war.
Standards are wishful ideals people drone on about, but actions vary w socioeconomics, competition, fashion and individual tastes. Suppose all but two random men were removed from civilization... it wouldn’t matter what they looked like, the competition for them would be so fierce that they would have massive harems and live like kings until enough sons were born.
Or take China’s recently repealed one child policy, skewing the sex ratio for 40 years. Women there can be arbitrarily choosy about every detail, and the hypergamy differences become more like Pretty Woman than real life.
So if anyone feels dismayed by unrealistic women wasting their prime years or sneering at ordinary men except as disposable sperm donors, try mainland China. It also explains the rise of Chinese entrepreneurs: factory workers aren’t exactly eligible bachelors. In America, lower-class men are readily divorced 75% by women; perhaps if the men had better looks, or likely bank accounts, it would be enough.
As someone who almost lost his girlfriend to a 6'3" model (I'm 4 inches shorter and 20 years older) with a washboard stomach (I have a middle-aged paunch) and chiseled features two years ago, and found his pic among her texts with the caption "drool!" under it, I can't say I agree with you. I've been working out like crazy ever since.
Men are actually more easy about accepting the female body. I 100% gurantee you, that the dude who posted that would marry a flat assed girl if he couldnt get a booty one.
The only people who are really trying to enforce the impossible beauty standards are women. Men like nicer looking women but we don't care enough to make somebody live up to our standards.
well, ***some guys (usually the douche bag population, increasing at a dangerously fast rate) have a pathetically over inflated ego, they want perfect hair, face, body, boobs, personality, everything, even when they themselves are less than adequate. i see so many ugly creeps going up to beautiful women to try and chat them up. The chics are evidently uncomfortable and disinterested, but man thinks he is the hottest thang alive. and of course women have to be perfect. i mean, women will settle with mediocrity because on average, women are less shallow than men. I've never in my whole existence on this planet ever seen a gorgeous man with a chubby/plain woman. On the contrary, I've seen plenty of fat pigs with gorgeous women, and they didn't even have any money.
I don't really think so. Men are held to a certain standard at the very least it's much harder to attract a woman when you're over 240 lb of fat rather than muscle.
As for the standard that normal average size men I almost want to agree with what you're saying but most of the girls I've dated prefer men that are not overly muscular but not overly fat it's a happy medium that you got to find.
But honestly most men look for a girl with a good personality sure having a nice body is nice but it's not end-all-be-all if they have a good ass or good boobs then that's great but I think the s'more is generalizing about social standards rather than individual preferences.
I dont agree with this. I don't mean women too should care about their fvrt boys appearance or how they look. I mean this generally is a wrong culture and belief. Physical features are not the things that make one person special. Maybe some people are famous more for their body but that's mainly because they don't have a more outstanding quality. Yes, caring about your body is important but as much as it can be called taking care of your health. The size of breasts and stomach isn't much important as long as its not a symptom of obesity or malnutrition. Same goes with ones fashion.
This is not true in most cases and mostly only terrible people think this way and there are a lot of standards for men as well, who are shamed by not only other men, but by some women as well, a man with a fat body, dad bod, small dick, and thinks of the sort are often made fun of and ridiculed/exposed by a lot of people, it is not just women, this question is a bit too general and can easily be read as you accusing all men of doing this so it probably isn't the best question to ask, but a lot of female stereotypes as far as body image are out in place by other women as well
Have you seen how hard men have to work to gain that perfect six pack? But yeah, although it is true that women are put quite a lot on the spectrum when compared with men they are quite similar. It depends on the cultural beliefs of what is considered 'high physical standard' e. g. In some places, it is good to be skinny.
Woman put a lot of that kind da shit on them selves one post from someone just being rude for laughs or honestly bitter from hurt and now being a rude dick also girls probably hot that guy up for God knows what reason so then it's work in for him he's gonna continue all that shit it's to commonly desired I'm more it that one thing about ya that makes me notice u among the crowds of Barbie dolls and girls looking like they just to full of themselves that quite who first even know it but she's the one in that room it's for somthing completely outside the book of commonly important features
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This is a very good example of how everyone has their own perception of the world around them. Because for me it is far more about the intelligence a woman has and that she is able to keep herself in decent shape through exercise.
As for physical standards for men, there are definitely social standards. Men who are too fat or too skinny are frowned upon, geeks and gamers are at times past over for someone with muscles. There have been news reports on how many women won't date a guy under 5 foot 10 inches in height.
So yeah, there are definitely standards each gender has for the other, as for the ones you're referring specifically, I'm not sure what those are from.
You're projecting. The high standards set for women, are set by women. Women do the vast majority of the shaming (a statistical fact). And to claim there are no standards for men is utterly ridiculous. Men must be strong, tall, muscular, lean, well groomed and smell good to be considered hot. And that's not even considering the personality standards. Here's a nice little statistic for you. On average, women consider 80% of men to be below average in attractiveness. On average men consider 50% of women to be below average.
It totaly depends on the person. There are a lot of superficial boys but also a lot of superficial girls out there.
But for me one thing is for shure. I can fall in love with a person I find semi attractive but is really kind and funny... But not with a super attractive model who is a shitty person.
Se doesn't need to have big boobs or a big butt I don't care at all. All tho I like more petite girls, having a completly flat stomach doesn't really look healthy, except if she's doing lots of sport.
In the end she should look well groomed, smile a lot and her weight should be healthy. But she doesn't have to be a totaly pretty perfect doll... And her height doesn't matter to me at all.
Its high for both , but there is far more pressure on women.
You need the correct gear , and the correct outcome and it needs to look like you " Did it easy " .
I would never be with a large set woman , they just be slim , athletic , with some style , and its pretty easy to get to this criteria.
Womens other problem is child birth , this ro*ts the body , you need to work really hard , and be super careful of diet. Its tougher for women , no doubt , but most important is to not be over weight , and have a nice arse , then you will always be okey.
Most important , no excuses , keep trim and active.
In a book that I read it said that (to men) women are sex objects and (to women) men are success objects, which would make sense why women's looks would be more important. Looks has a lot to do with sexual attraction/stimulation especially because men are very visual and women with that 36'' 24'' 36'' measurement has been shown to be more successful carriage of baby. It's more important that men have money and other factors that indicate success at raising a baby in a stable, healthy environment (which makes since of why old men can lure young women with money). from a biological point of view. it's unfair, i know, i hate it... or perhaps, it's cultural? answer my question please,
Lol. Some of you ladies crack me up. Wht do you bother to even give those guys one minutes thought. We are who we are. Although i choose to be a lesbian. All my doctors are females. None of them have ever said i was to thin lasked an ass of need to get a boob job. I am 5foot 1 inch tall and i weigh around 85 to 90 pounds. Depending on if im getting my friend over. You know what i mean. My boobs are a nice small a Acup size wi th a 28 inch band. All those women out there affected by these guys it is totally up to yoy to ignore them. If you do that then they will start to leave you aloner. Come on now. er take control of your own life
Says a girl with skinny petite in her name telling others not to be insecure ;/
He he he. Your name good too.
It’s how we are wired men want nubile woman with eye catching aesthetics such big nicely shaped boobs, a full ass that’s not fat, long legs and pretty symmetrically faces.
Guys want a healthy attractive woman to have a good time and knock up before moving on to the next one. Cave men style we fighting human nature by staying with one woman that’s why we always drawn to over woman throughout are lives regardless of the relationship. The personality of the woman is not important since are instincts are to not stay with the woman long term so it bears little weight on attraction. It’s are conscious mind that cares about their personality but it wouldn’t stop are urge to sleep with them if given the chance.
Woman are hardwired to be attracted to confident, socially adept men that can protect and look after them and their offspring. The looks of a man doesn’t effect his ability to be a good provider so woman put less importance on it subconsciously. It’s why bad boys are so attractive to most woman they are attracted to their vibe and it tricks them into thinking make a great partner and dad. Yet they usually have lots of baggage which is the upset of a stable partner.
As guys we have the advantage over woman who can’t control how they look due to their genes and have limit to how attractive they can be in a guys eyes with the use of make up and keeping in shape. But of course looks fade so their is a time limit.
We men do have total control of are attractiveness through way we interact even if we might be born with unfortunate genes such as less comely face or not as physical fit as woman have to be. We can improve are sexual attractiveness over time by working on our selfs.
It maybe a long time ago but are primal nature still rules within us.
It is what it is. But I think part of it has to do with a culture of women being attractive. I think men can be attractive but that's not the main things that attract a woman to a man.
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ok so there is athletic body but I feel like for men physical attractiveness is more important and for women that non-physical characteristics are more important, LIke can he protect me and can he take care of me.
I could be wrong on this. But I feel like biology plays a role here.
I have to be 6'0 at LEAST, and a good amount of buff, but not like hulking out buff. I can't have pimples, the "perfect" amount of stubble, a smaller nose... very little gray hair, and now it's getting to a point where I have to have good eyebrows.
I also have to pull in at LEAST $60,000 a year on my own, be a hard worker and super ambitious, and have a steady (and brag worthy) job but only work the equivalent of 35-40 hours a week and be able to take off for a while. And if I ever lose my job, I have to find another within 6-12 months (now it's commonly becoming 3-6 months).
not trying to make your statement any less valid, but it ain't that much easier for us as well. the only diference is that the reactions to our physical reality being diferent from the physical standard are more veiled, less on the face. it might have something to do with fear of repercussion (the consequences of words said) or it might be something to do with the power hierarchy that comes with patriarchy *shrugs* but the standard is still there, there's just less talk about it. we do lose jobs because of it, we do lose relationship opportunities becuase of it, we are ridicularized because of it, just on a more discreet way. penis size is also a great deal on that standard, where i usually don't see such rage about the boob size competition, even tho im sure its there. to summarize, most humans are assholes, and they will be assholes no matter who they want to be assholes against.
It's not a must, and most women have at least two of these features. It's more like the ideal body type, the healthiest bodies have certain characteristics.
Not all guys love big breast and big asses , I love girls who are petite 😍😍😍. That fine sexy body. 😍❤︎💘. 🍆🍌 yeah...
Anyways women also have high standards for men but it's usually attainable after half a year in the gym, getting his shit together and being an Alpha Male. Real men are already striving for these goals.
The real problem is women short change themselves. They feel they need the ideal body to attract the alpha males, but all they need to be is fit and healthy. Being fat isn't very attractive for men or women and not very healthy either.
I'm not saying that your statement isn't true, in fact it is. But it's not as bad as you may think. Most men just want a healthy looking woman.
I didn't answer your question did I? Well... women are beautiful creatures without them we be dead. Because of this women were always taken care of back in the old days, in some ways the legal system still does make sure of this, mainly because men mostly run it. That's why women were never forced to go to war.
Standards are wishful ideals people drone on about, but actions vary w socioeconomics, competition, fashion and individual tastes.
Suppose all but two random men were removed from civilization... it wouldn’t matter what they looked like, the competition for them would be so fierce that they would have massive harems and live like kings until enough sons were born.
Or take China’s recently repealed one child policy, skewing the sex ratio for 40 years. Women there can be arbitrarily choosy about every detail, and the hypergamy differences become more like Pretty Woman than real life.
So if anyone feels dismayed by unrealistic women wasting their prime years or sneering at ordinary men except as disposable sperm donors, try mainland China. It also explains the rise of Chinese entrepreneurs: factory workers aren’t exactly eligible bachelors. In America, lower-class men are readily divorced 75% by women; perhaps if the men had better looks, or likely bank accounts, it would be enough.
As someone who almost lost his girlfriend to a 6'3" model (I'm 4 inches shorter and 20 years older) with a washboard stomach (I have a middle-aged paunch) and chiseled features two years ago, and found his pic among her texts with the caption "drool!" under it, I can't say I agree with you. I've been working out like crazy ever since.
Men are actually more easy about accepting the female body. I 100% gurantee you, that the dude who posted that would marry a flat assed girl if he couldnt get a booty one.
I'm a woman
... okay?
Bc you said "the dude who posted this"
She meant the guy you quoted in your question description.
What he said lol
The only people who are really trying to enforce the impossible beauty standards are women. Men like nicer looking women but we don't care enough to make somebody live up to our standards.
@peanutmorehead
Yep, its all apart of the retail brainwashing.
There's billions of men in this world; how can some trend or fashion statement speak for all of them?
Plus, each guy has his own taste; she could be hideous to some, drop dead gorgeous to him
Tru personal tastes can vary widely
well, ***some guys (usually the douche bag population, increasing at a dangerously fast rate) have a pathetically over inflated ego, they want perfect hair, face, body, boobs, personality, everything, even when they themselves are less than adequate. i see so many ugly creeps going up to beautiful women to try and chat them up. The chics are evidently uncomfortable and disinterested, but man thinks he is the hottest thang alive. and of course women have to be perfect. i mean, women will settle with mediocrity because on average, women are less shallow than men. I've never in my whole existence on this planet ever seen a gorgeous man with a chubby/plain woman. On the contrary, I've seen plenty of fat pigs with gorgeous women, and they didn't even have any money.
I don't really think so. Men are held to a certain standard at the very least it's much harder to attract a woman when you're over 240 lb of fat rather than muscle.
As for the standard that normal average size men I almost want to agree with what you're saying but most of the girls I've dated prefer men that are not overly muscular but not overly fat it's a happy medium that you got to find.
But honestly most men look for a girl with a good personality sure having a nice body is nice but it's not end-all-be-all if they have a good ass or good boobs then that's great but I think the s'more is generalizing about social standards rather than individual preferences.
I dont agree with this. I don't mean women too should care about their fvrt boys appearance or how they look. I mean this generally is a wrong culture and belief. Physical features are not the things that make one person special. Maybe some people are famous more for their body but that's mainly because they don't have a more outstanding quality.
Yes, caring about your body is important but as much as it can be called taking care of your health. The size of breasts and stomach isn't much important as long as its not a symptom of obesity or malnutrition. Same goes with ones fashion.
This is not true in most cases and mostly only terrible people think this way and there are a lot of standards for men as well, who are shamed by not only other men, but by some women as well, a man with a fat body, dad bod, small dick, and thinks of the sort are often made fun of and ridiculed/exposed by a lot of people, it is not just women, this question is a bit too general and can easily be read as you accusing all men of doing this so it probably isn't the best question to ask, but a lot of female stereotypes as far as body image are out in place by other women as well
Have you seen how hard men have to work to gain that perfect six pack?
But yeah, although it is true that women are put quite a lot on the spectrum when compared with men they are quite similar.
It depends on the cultural beliefs of what is considered 'high physical standard' e. g. In some places, it is good to be skinny.
Woman put a lot of that kind da shit on them selves one post from someone just being rude for laughs or honestly bitter from hurt and now being a rude dick also girls probably hot that guy up for God knows what reason so then it's work in for him he's gonna continue all that shit it's to commonly desired I'm more it that one thing about ya that makes me notice u among the crowds of Barbie dolls and girls looking like they just to full of themselves that quite who first even know it but she's the one in that room it's for somthing completely outside the book of commonly important features