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Before I answer, and help you understand, I have to address your stereotypes.
Girls don't have to have giant boobs. Personally, I'm grossed out by giant boobs.
It's almost a pet peeve.
What men instinctively look for is "healthy" women. It's something that goes back to our caveman days.
Too skinny, and she may not be able to handle bearing children.
Too fat and she might eat the children. Just kidding, though cave man might think that. He wasn't very intelligent.
You could turn it around and say cave woman wouldn't touch fat cave man for the same reason.
Anyway, being fat or obese could be a sign that she's not healthy.
You could say that men look at appearance more than women. IF you're having a self image issue, I'd say your goal shouldn't to be "thin" or "skinny", your goal should be to be "healthy", and the rest will fall into place.
Who ever wrote that post is an asshole hole. That doesn't make them right. Don't give them the satisfaction of acknowledging the comment. Don't give them the power.
As for women, if you're trying to be angry about "beauty" standards, just calm down a bit.
Women also care about a man's appearance, just not as much because they are emotional creatures, and have more needs to be satisfied.
Cave woman needed a caveman that could protect, and provide for her and cave bb.
So today, women instinctively want the "alpha" male.
So where you fault men for judging by appearance, by the same token, women judge men by their success, and ability to provide.
So that's why you see a man who's ass ugly with a smoke hot trophy wife.
As a species, we've evolved "socially" so it's less obvious these days and less necessary.
It's a recent from a time when, "going clubbing" was more literal and involved actual clubs. (People whacking clubs)
Basically, saying a "flat" ass woman ruins a man's day is like saying seeing a "broke" ass man ruins a woman's day.
So when women work hard to be attractive for men, remember, men work hard to be successful for women.
Lol. As if women don't pressure men as much as they do each other.
Men want a woman who is reasonably attractive and takes good care of herself. We don't give half a shit about makeup and cutesy clothes or thigh gaps or any of that shit.
Women talk shit about each other constantly. Too fat? Too skinny? Blue jeans and t-shirt? Clothes that reveal some skin? Eyebrows not done just right? No attention from men? Too much attention? Hahahaha fatty/needasammich/frumpy/thot/loser/slut.
And with men, the judgment is worse because we don't only get judged on looks. Don't set a standard and then bitch about it.
I used to think the same way honestly, that there were so many standards we have to meet. But in all honesty guys do have standards too just different ones. And not everybody's standards are the same.
I was always told that guys have different types and standards and I was like yeah I guess so but it's not that drastic they are all going to think the same girls are hot. There are always those specific girls who are ver attractive and most people would look at them and think they are physically attractive. but I was once around my boyfriend and his friends and one of his friends was showing me a girl he thought was hot and she was pretty but my boyfriend didn't see her as that pretty. I am way more his type, such as thin, petite, small, white, feminine, and physically fit. On the other hand his friend likes more curvy girls who are not as small or petite as me and more ethic. and the other friend liked more Asian girls and girls with dark hair and more curvy then even his other friend.
It was a very different set of girls.
Everybody will be somebody's type guaranteed. Of course there are basic things like hygiene, somewhat fit, takes care of yourself, intelligence, compatible personalities, is able to dress themselves up and make themselves look nice. There are always things that all guys will look for in girls that are needed, but i think that list can also for guys. Then it just goes by type. By no means is a big ass and big boobs for every guy. My boyfriend doesn't like big boobs or huge ass necessarily. But he has a friend who loves fake boobs and girls who have that aesthetic.
If everybody liked the same type, then a huge demographic of people would left out and people would be unhappily settling.
Of course some guys are just assholes and don't know what they want and say that girls should change themselves and be this way or that way. But if they are mature they'll realize that not all girls are made for just them.
As everyone else said it, blame it on society. However, it's not really fair to blame just one gender. Truth to be told, we all have our own standards/preferences. I believe both men and women dealt with the high expectation society set on us what is beautiful and attractive. Beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder. Whoever made that comment is a major douche for putting females down. No one should put others down for how they look. It sucks to be shame on how you look. To make someone feel they ain't enough. I think we all deal with not being enough to another by not feeling attractive, confident, datable, and love. attractions will be attractions, which is the first thing. But it's not permeant because there's always more to a person to wanna keep them.
And I do hear you on your frustrations feeling like men puts a high standard on women. But women does the same thing unfortunately. I just don't think it's best to generalize one gender to this because not all men can relate to this. Just as not all females can relate to wanting a guy to be a specific height, career wise, and etc.
I feel like if we are encountering people who are passing out on our great attractive qualities, then, forget them. Don't let them determine your worth and confidence. What one may not see, another will :) #staypositive
I agree it's ridiculous that some men who look like shit themselves expect their wives to look like women who walked to life straight out of a magazine rack. I fucking read a post where a woman shared that her husband told her to bleach her dark underarms and privates... And that some of her friends' husbands divorced them for such silly 'flaws'.
It's true that people are more picky and critical about women's appearance. Curves but no belly rolls, meat but not muscles, if you are chubby you're too big if you're skinny you're too small, you can't be paper white or coal black, and so much more. Guys are basically alright if they just have some defined muscles and are well-groomed. When an man looks good, he looks good but when a woman looks good, then she has an weird nose or too big feet.
But every cloud has a silver lining! There's so much diversity in preference for features in women among men. There is a group of men that like tall slim blond women, and there is a group of men that like petite curvy tanned/Brown women. No matter what you look like you will always find a guy who says that he is into the kind of features that you have. Guys mostly are quite unfortunate in that way because male beauty standard isn't very diverse. Everywhere it's tall, muscular, angular.
You have been living in a box if you think women don't have physical standards for men.
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The only people who tend to have these expectations for women... are women. They see other women on social media, see men liking the pictures, and think men expect them to have these perfect physical qualities.
But then... we go outside... see men and women with... regular men and women... and almost none of us see a single instagram model. Hmm...
It's because women are the ones who fall into these traps and take it to the extreme extent that we do. Most guys, even attractive ones, don't expect you to be physically perfect and likely don't want that. I have been body shamed by women plenty of times in my life, I can count on two hands the amount of times it's happened. For men, I can name a few accounts and it was only after I rejected them.
Women do usually have high physical standards for guys (especially guys your age). But after age 25, his financial status rapidly overtakes it in importance. Personality is also a factor in most cases.
Men actually have more standards to meet.
I think men are programmed to care more about looks since good looking people are more fertile and the purpose of sex is procreation and the sustaining of the human species
Speaking for myself, I don't have such a "high" physical standard for women. I would say I have a very "human" standard. I understand that we do not choose our genetics, and women in particular can be very sensitive to even the smallest physical aspects of themselves they do not appreciate. Hence, women are naturally inclined to impose a high sense of standard upon themselves which they project outwardly as being "what guys want"
But most of you are just wrong. Guys find women in general attractive simply for being women. We each have our own preferences. Half the traits you suggested? I don't care.
I like small breasts, women with normal proportions and "meat" on their bones INCLUDING fat -- like jeez, I think you're prettier with your imperfections and that just shows your humanity. I really don't care about butt, I think 98% of women have an attractive ass.
I definitely prefef short hair and tomboys, and well above average height. I'm 5' 7" so short by American male standards and I am most attracted to heartier women 5' 10" or even taller.
Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't think so. I think every guys' got his preferences. That preference is molded by many factors.
What women seem to do is see all these popular divas on TV and assume that guys must be nuts for that body. But no, not really.
Yes, they may be sexually attractive, but there is a world of difference between wanting to fuck someone that won the lottery in looks, and genuinely being attracted to someone because you think they're actually beautiful.
Guys are at fault for objectifying women as sex objects, but again, guys just tend to be more sexual and objective. We see the world as things (including each other), and only when we really care do we bother to see other people as human beings (again, including each other)
If you think guys only objectify women, you are sorely mistaken. Guys objectify each other far more than they objectify women. That is simply our typical approach for dealing with the world in simpler and more objective terms.
In general, speaking from an evolutionary perspective women are judged by their looks while men are judged by their competence. That's because a woman will undoubtedly face a period of many years where she is forced (by the circumstances of biology and nature) to care for the children. Before the modern era and still in a few poor places in the world women have 5-8 kids from which only 1 or 2 survive to adulthood. That means she is in a perpetual state of caring for infants and young children. And because the is the one who breast feeds, she is stuck in that role. Her pregnancy also makes it unwise for her to risk her health doing any work that could end up hurting her.
So the man is left to take care of all the other things that isn't appropriate for childbearing women to do. That includes a wide range of tasks to get food, shelter, organize and keep relations within social groups and defend against animals and other humans. The men has to be able to face a much wider range of problems and thus need to be competent in a large domain of activities and preferably specialized in at least one.
These roles and the differences they ensue have been established biologically, mentally, physically and culturally over millions of years of evolution.
Men are attracted to healthy looking women, i. e symmetrical, young looking, feminine and other attributes that have been associated with health. Because it's in their best interest to choose a healthy mate who will produce healthy offspring. Taking care of children is extremely hard labor, but it's not complex so complex problem solving skills aren't needed to any large extent.
Women on the other hand have less emphasis on appearances in their choice of mate. First and foremost, the males who survive and thrive within the social group and in the world are obviously best suited to survive almost however they look. Some obvious things are of course considered attractive because it increases the likelihood of survival such as muscular body, height and lack of other physical (and emotional) handicaps.
How do women choose which men are most competent? The look at who the other men choose to be the leader or look to in different circumstances. Because if the group deems one individual better att some important tasks, he is obviously more likely to get help and be liked and thus survive. Even if it's for something trivial as being funny. Entertainment is beneficial to the group.
I think that answers the question.
There is a huge range of men view as 'ideal'.
Some guys like thick women.
Some like big tits.
Some like big round asses.
Some like long hair.
I don't think women know what men really want. They compare themselves to what they see in magazines and on t. v. They also compare themselves to other women (who also emulate women in magazines and on t. v.).
Funny fact: not all guys see celebrities as ideal.
I know guys who like those types. I also know guys who like women with a little more meat on their bones.
I actually like small tits. What is sexiest to me is a nice ass. It doesn't have to be huge, just nicely shaped.
I could give a shit about hair length. I have been attracted to women with long hair and some with pretty short hair. It just depends on how it fits your face.
The stomach thing... yeah, overweight (to me) is unattractive but a little bit of a round belly can be sexy. It depends on the girl.
Shaming is wrong but is often a guy's way of telling women that they wish their lady wouldn't let themselves go. It is a hard truth but many women keep it together until they land a guy, then once they do, they completely forget about taking care of themselves.
Don't agree? What is the first thing a woman does when she ends a relationship and enters into the 'market'. She starts watching what she eats. She starts walking, running, joins a gym, etc.
Women know full well what they are doing. Men see it as a bait and switch.
Normally, if a guy gets himself into shape, he does it for himself. Quite often, if after you start a relationship with him he starts gaining weight or becomes out of shape, he stopped working out because his time is limited because of the time with you. Also, it is very typical for a guy to put on weight when he's with a woman because she is sliding a plate full of food in front of him much more often than he ever had before.
My ex hated it when I went to the gym. She constantly accused me of things... not wanting to spend time with her, trying to look good for someone (jealousy), not really going to the gym but hooking up with someone, etc. I would regularly see her do gym drive-byes.
I never gave her any reason. Not once, in all of our years together, did I ever even consider it even during the split.
She wanted to fatten me up because she was so insecure. I wouldn't stop looking out for my health but some guys do, just to appease their S. O.
All of this is real. Don't kid yourself! Men all over are experiencing the same things.
First of all we need to drop this concept of these things being a requirement. It's like a guy talking about why are standards so high for men in terms of their life status. He's supposed to have a decent car, a decent place with zero roomates, a decent job, maintain decent shape specifically because "girls HAVE to put in so much work into their appearance, so you have to aswell", he's supposed to do all of the yard work, take out the trash, be handy around the house. So much more than just his appearance. The standards for men are higher if you look at it objectively. But they're not a requirement. And realistically speaking no one really cares if you don't meet the superficial standards of society at large. Obviously those things will help you, but you don't NEED them. It's a good idea to drop the believe that it's relevant at all.
Because the real question is does it stop you from living the life you want live or getting what you want out of life in general? Does it really matter that a lot of men want a woman that meets whatever concept of a standard you have in mind? That's not even questioning whether or not that is a true "standard" men have, because I can tell you men vary in what they like. But assuming it's true. Why does it matter? Is it stopping you? I say this to guys and girls. Just like a short guy getting caught up in being insecure about his height. It doesn't have to stop you, unless you let it stop you.
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I'll admit, guys who shame a gal on how she looks is absolutely screwed up and I sincerely hope that none of you ladies get with that type of guy and allow him to pass on his genes. That being said, don't worry, we have body standards too.
Y'all say 'in shape' and that's it, but you're actually really picky and every one of you want something different. Long head hair or clean cut, Beard and/or mustache or clean shaven, chest hair or baby smooth, muscley or 'a bit more to love'/'dad bod', hairy legs or smooth. Don't have back hair, don't be sweaty. Have 'enough' dick on you, compared to all the guys that came before us (not that we know how well your past guys were hung). Dress 'well' with collared shirts and khakis, don't look a thug or burnout or stoner or fckboy. You're probably thinking to yourself, "yeah why would I settle for what I don't like or am not attracted to?" Well EXACTLY.
And I have high socio-economic and emotionally supportive standards to meet for you, that /you/ have the freedom not to have to meet if you should choose. You'll want us to have a good-paying job whether you have a career-mind or not, so you have the option to stay home if you want. Enough money to pay for you to go traveling, if you feel cooped up at home or exhausted from work - again, your option. And money to go to restaurants almost regularly or kitchen skills if you're not the cooking type. Our own place to live so you don't have to keep paying for your apartment 'cause nobody's okay with a house-husband, a clean reliable vehicle of our own 'cause you have the option not to ever have to drive.
Let's go through this piecemeal
>big boobs
Some like smaller
>big butt
Some like smaller
>no stomach
What does this even mean
>be thick
I am perfectly okay with a stick woman and numerous others are too
>be pretty
What is "pretty" is wholly subjective
>have long hair
Some like short hair
>be average height
Many men like short girls. Some like tall girls
>men can look however they want
Not if they have a neckbeard or neckfat
>And still shame women
How does this happen?
>this is because I saw a post online
I saw a post online today saying "What do you call guys under 6 feet tall? Friends". I also saw a post about a man "consensually" fucking his underage cousin. I also saw a post claiming that the earth is hollow.
The most consistent male requirement for females is to not be fat, which may not be the easiest to change but is nonetheless controllable, unlike a man's height. Everything else differs from person to person and is negotiable anyway. Some men literally fetishize fat women, it's why BBW porn exists to begin with
Because physical attraction is the primary factor in what a man wants in a woman.
Emotional attraction is the primary factor in what a woman wants in a man.
So yes, men generally have a higher expectation of physical attractiveness (at least, what they personally consider attractive) whereas women have an expectation that men be "real men" with a whole laundry list of things that are driven by how he makes her feel.
Such as:
Ambition, intelligence, confidence, sense of humor, masculinity (and being able to make her feel girly) and a host of other things that go into whatever a typical woman determines is needed for a man to be a 'real man'
Then throw in things like him having money and the ability to support her, possibly to the point where she need not even work, etc.
Then of course plenty of women care about how physically attractive a man is as well and uh, yeah, it can be a pretty tall order as well.
For most guys, they just want a girl that isn't obese or ugly. Bonus if they're legitimately nice and not crazy.
This is just how the genders tend to work.
Because a lot of men feel like women should be accept them the way they look, but you have to meet their beauty standards for them to want to give her a chance. I see it all the time, some men will call women shallow for not wanting to date a shorter man, but completely ignore that their are who don't want to date tall women. In fact if you look around, most men are with women who are shorter than them. Why is that when they can go for a taller girl? It also has to to do with the media pushing one body type and telling us what is beautiful and what isn't beautiful. For the longest time and even now, thin white women and built white men have been made the standard of beauty. When someone doesn't fit into this standard, people shame them for it. It has affected both sexes, but women seem to show reaction to it the most cause a woman doesn't like her femininity and beauty being challenged. As women, that's kinda important to us cause every woman wants to feel beautiful and desirable to a man.
See you're conflating different issues.
All a woman needs to do to be considered attractive is have a low body fat.
What you're talking about, is what it takes to be seen as Very attractive, which means competing against other women who are also trying to be seen as very attractive.
It's the same shit for men. A man can hit a good baseline just by not bring fat. If he wants to be seen as very desirable, he has to compete against other men by doing things like getting ripped (Which requires far mor effort than losing body fat btw) as well as having a high income. It is far harder for a man to try to earn 100k a year than it is for a woman to lose 100 pounds of fat.
Men absolutely have to put in more effort to be seen as a highly attractive partner than a woman does. Literally all YOU need to do is hit the gym periodically and watch what you eat. You can be poor, a slob, uneducated, have multiple kids and guys will still be interested. We're over here sacrificing trying to earn higher degrees, climbing the corporate ladder on top of gym and dieting.
Even if we're ONLY talking about physical standards, again it takes us far more time on the gym to get into an appealing shape because building muscle is a pain, and we have to build it across our entire body, not simply our ass like you do. Losing fat is so much easier. A guy doesn't just hit the genetic lottery and wake up every morning ripped, but tons of women wake up thin without any effort.
I'm ranting too much though, but no you have it easy. You just don't realize it because we men have been fucking up and spoiling y'all rotten.
I disagree.
Men have just as many standards though I think the way it's reacted to is different.
Men don't pitty themselves so openly when they do not meet the standards
For instance.
Abs and muscles usually over 6 foot is a requirement as well which is ridiculous when the average height is 5' 10"
Men also have more standards aside from their look.
A car. They have to be kind caring and sympathetic but they can't be panzies. They have to be able to treat their girl like a queen but have the confidence to not let her push him around.
If he has money he is more attractive anyhow.
And more that I can't even comprehend.
Because I am 6' 2" work in insurance have abs I treat every woman like a queen and am extremely confident but still cannot find a girlfriend.
I also do not fall into the category of guy who likes that stereotype of woman.
Point is.
Everyone gets to look however they want and there's always going to be someone who doesn't like it.
I do think that women are objectified and I don't think it's okay.
But that doesn't mean that men are not
It has to do with our adaptations over time to survive as a species. things have changed too quickly. that type of 'life or death' survival isn't really a problem for us now and the world changes so fast day to day we dont really have time to adapt as a whole before the next big leap and it leaves us all with a bunch of hardwired mechanisms/instincts/behaviors that stick out like sore thumbs because they conflict with daily life (obesity is a good example), and everyone is confused to no end and pissed off at each other and themselves. We're in a constant game of catch-up. Which I hope will just force us to evolve to adapt faster, or we'll peak and all have a moment to catch our damn breaths.
My advice is don't take internet posts to heart. Having been a chubby person and a person with a 6 pack, I can tell you first-hand women most certainly do care what men look like, just a different way of showing it, and I just make peace with the fact that it's wrong for me to blame them for it.
Men as a whole never said you must be that way, but we definitely prefer those things, just like women as a whole never said I must be ripped or have a nice house or a well paying job or a nice car or ambition, passion, sympathy, confidence etc.. but they prefer it. Or so it seems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In a time where we're striving to be accepting of everyone's beliefs, sexual orientation/identity, religion etc.. I don't think it's a proper response to be angry at a woman who prefers a man with money and/or a nice body, or a man who prefers a woman with money and/or a nice body. Nor should you be angry at yourself for it.
People will comment on this stuff, and sometimes it'll offend you, upset you and make you feel uncomfortable, that's life. And being uncomfortable is a fundamental part of learning.
So what you've encountered is what I like to call, a jackass. For men to be considered men, we have to be 6'+, have a nice beard, nice hair, a rock hard beach body with a nice tan, nice smile, huge arms, not give a fuck but be sweet at the same time, and have an amazing personality as well. There are 2 sides to this coin. Men just say it out loud. Women can do the same. Neither are necessarily right, but having standards isn't a bad idea. My personal preference is either a black or Asian woman with a nice smile, intelligent, and we have great communication. The more interested I am out in the open, the more interesting things will become behind closed doors. All of the traits that you and I havelisted would be nice, but they are unrealistic. Now, I do believe that there has to be some level of mutual physical attraction. My father put it to me like this, if you aren't interested in them physically, then things will never work. I had a relationship with this woman for 2 years in high school. She was incredibly sweet, smart, and caring. She made an M&M cake for me and spelled out "PROM?" on it as her way to asking me to her prom. (Different school districts) I adored her, but I had no physical desire to be with her. She wanted to get intimate, but I just couldn't do it. Eventually she broke up with me and found someone. They're doing really well and I hope that things stay that way. She just wasn't the one for me. In the end, I'd put physical attraction to emotional around a 25%-75%. If your partner makes you happy, then who cares what anyone else thinks. You're preference is just that. A preference.
Interesting question. In terms of what your saying you must remember that a lot of men intially assess women on a sexual level. This is related a lot to genetic conditioning to ensure the survival of the human race. Large breasts were often a sign of lots of milk being produced for the young. General shape would indicate if the woman herself was best suited for survival etc. Since women generally looked after the young whilst males hunted, we are genetically conditioned to desire physical traits in a woman that indicate our young will survive. In return women also have this conditioning, yet it is on a more emotional level. Is he good with children? Is he kind, loyal and does he look like he can survive and gather food. These are often desirable traits for women in a man.
So in answer to your question, initially it's a genetic potential assesment in preparation for the outcome of sex. However after that subconscious assesment will come a conscious one. At this point it's really a matter of effort. If a man isn't really interested outside of a sexual relationship, they will stick to their subconscious assesment. It's actually a matter of laziness in my opinion. It takes time to really find things to connect with in someone who you don't plan to meet again. Much easier to be lazy till you need to be self reflective as to weather you want more
Ummm 😅 im only 15 and i know that this is completely wrong. Girls are just as bad about this as guys. I constantly have to deal with people talking about how scrawny, short, etc. I am. Girls have standards of the perfect guy, usually, the stereotypical perfect guy is muscular, tall, and if you really want to be stereotypical, he should have a big dick, im just being blunt, thats what the stereotypical girl wants. Of course you can't just specify one gender and call it good. Because sure, guys want a girl thar meets their standards, and the internet, social media, and just the outside world in general tries to decide thar for us. It slowly morphs our minds into what we expect a perfect girl should be like. Media also changes the mindset of women of the perfect man. a lot of it also has to do with how they were raised, if they were raised getting what they want, they might expect the perfect woman, so they frown upon the avarage girl. Stamdards can go either way, its not up to you to decide which gender is guilty because both genders do it.
The reality is, men and women have different approaches and mindsets when it comes to finding a potential mate.
Men work on theory. They use logic to decide if they are attracted or not. Sometimes, if we make it far with a woman, we will find out we were wrong. She looked good on paper, but for whatever reason, it just isn't "there".
Women work on intuition. They need to feel the attraction. They do not preconceive what is attractive, they just know it when they feel it. They accept it isn't a science and just let it be what it is.
The difference between these two ways is the approach. The guy sees a woman he figures will be attracted to, and that is what he wants. A woman needs to feel something that attracts her. That means her choice will be far more selective.
I can tell you as a man that when I have experienced the intuitive/feeling attraction, all bets were off. The woman more often than not did not look like what I guess would be called my "type". It was that intangible thing that made her special.
I think its equal. I grew up always being shorter than the average hieght and was skinny. Girls where more cruel to me than guys in school. After sophmore yr I grew amd girls all of a sudden where showing interest by end of junior yr. I Wrestled you see so i got really tone. But the hypocrisy of it all. After I was a Marine. Its funny how you dont wear a uniform and you ask a random girl a question she looks at you like who are you. Throw on a uniform and how quick she responds. So I honestly see it both ways. It comes down to us checking ourselves and asking ourselves if we are being to judgmental or not. That goes for all aspects such as looks, personality and how or why someone makes a decision. We may not know that person is having a hard day or what. So I guess before we judge we should first check ourselves and be the mature one and check off a few boxes before being quick to judge. Plus no one can pick when they are born what the want to look like. So its kinda unfair to criticize people on something they have no control over. Hope this is some food for thought and its a really good question. :)
Your opinion is COMPLETELY one sided.
You're so focused on what females have to go through that you can't even take a second to try and look at things from the male perspective.
Men have to take the initiative, that alone can be a nightmare, how many times do you think a shy guy is approached or has the chance to have female interaction (of any kind)? If you're not able to approach you'll feel worse every chance you waste, you'll regret that you didn't have the strength to break your habit and talk to the girl, just saying hi triggers the brains panic response, which in turn makes you feel even worse, less motivated to try, more fearful of rejection, more closed.
The dude may be an amazing, exciting person full of interesting ideas, but will be called a looser and never be respected for the rest of his life.
Plus, men have to be flirty but not creepy, confident but not a jerk, playful but not a clown, provider and caretaker but strong and independent, sensitive but masculine.
Its not easy for either of us, especially with the pressure of society on both sides.
No woman wants to be considered a slut, but you girls have needs, lust, wishes and desires just like us.
No guy wants to have to constantly place himself in the hands of women and face rejection after rejection until he can finally make a connection with one (that he may end up not actually liking), but if we don't have initiative and somewhat succeed we'll be branded as a looser, unmanly, insufficient, unable, unfit.
With that said, the guy who said that is an absolute cunt, I hope the closest thing he has to intimacy is his right hand, which it probably is.
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