I think the "ideal body type" proposed in society has more to do with women attacking other women. Usually men don't care what you look like. They usually are not the ones attacking women's attributes. All you can do is train yourself not to judge. Now that's a hard thing to do. Something I still struggle with but change comes from within.
There is. "He has to be 6'4. Abs. Tanned skin or dark. He has to be ripped and in shape. He has to be handsome like a model. He has to have hair but not be hairy. He has to have a 7 incher or more"
that's the thing i hate about society always judging based off of looks rather than personality, it pisses me off so much tbh, nothing against you though more against society in general
I do see your point but biologically women are hold to a higher standard then men when it comes to physical attractiveness, it's just the way we are programmed. Men can get away with being stronger, richer or having more power but women are almost only judged on their appearance.
Dude i saw a post the other day on Facebook calling men "girls" if he's shorter than 6'0. Or something like that.. it seriously goes both ways. Just be happy with yourself and forget what others think. You should want to be healthy and maintain the best standards you can for yourself. That's for both genders.
Yes those are American standards cuz a man’s average height in America is considered to be 5’10 and women want above average men. But calling men little girls is just a subconscious justification of their own inferiority over men cuz when it comes to me I’ve never shamed a woman calling her a boy or a man cuz that’s an indirect way of telling her that my gender is inferior and I’d insult you calling you a man or a boy. It’s absurd cuz they’re indirectly insulting themselves before they insult the man cuz they themselves are inferior in their own eyes.
@Asker, You’re biased mate, you can’t assume that being born a woman is all about disadvantages and being a man is all about advantages cuz that’s so immature of you.
I'm actually 15. And i didn't say being a woman meant only disadvantages, this question is just solely about the disadvantages of women. I am well aware that men have them as well. I have plenty of guy friends, so my group isn't as non diverse as you think
Hahaha By this reference I can also say men that got a Dick smaller than 9" are little girls too... I might not be taller than 6' height but I'm sure I'm bigger than any of those who would consider themselves "men" lol
They can see by the "volume" of it under the pants. Also when they get to see it in pics or real. There are also things called nudism resorts and beaches and parties. But I agree with u about that most of the time on normal daily situations it's harder for them to tell but that's why you get them with attitude, good talk, nice smell and style and things like that, it also helps not being ugly and having muscles ;)
Yea but when it comes to me I’m a guy who’s not interested in anal sex and oral sex and I wouldn’t wanna let the woman take my pants off anyway and if she likes to do that she’d better get a gigolo than me.. it’s kind of uncomfortable when they look at you with all that lust in their eyes, it just shatters my soul
I've found women to hold a far stricter hold on appearance than that of men. Women often put down in their profiles how much they value this quality and that quality, however the guy must first pass the appearance test first. If a guy has too much weight he is passed by super fast. I send request after request to women telling them how much I feel connected to the things they have said in their profiles and nearly half the time my messages get "unread deleted" because I'm overweight right now. It doesn't matter that I'm overweight because I was injured while serving in the Marines and almost died and have spent the last 5 to 10 years fighting to regain the ability to walk and breathe on my own. So much for the ladies looking for a good man that will treat them right.
But men must have a deep voice, be muscular/fit, basically have no fat, not is specific regions but everywhere, not to mention a healthy body fat %for women is 7% higher then for men which means men have to work harder for that, also we have to be tall, have confidence for some reason we aren't supposed to have emotions, and be a protector, and since we are an "entitled white male" (some guys arnt white but you get my point) we end up getting more backlash for anything we do or say about anything. I think its about equal for men vs women is this regard, we are both given unfair standards.
You are obviously a woman if you say that. You are blind. Look at any Disney prince and see how perfect he is!!! Look at ever highschool show or movie having the boys be played by 20 year old men that look like Greek gods. Listen to songs pressuring for men to be at least 6ft or to have at least a 6inch dick. There is far more UNREALISTIC pressure on men. Women face get a lot of this pressure in their head from model magazines designed to make them buy the shit to look better. In all reality women are loved by men for any one of those aspects you mentioned. People generally like a healthy person of similar life style choices and after that boobs, butt, face, belly, sex, and whatever physical think they like is a preference or just bonus. Guys like boobs, but if you got an ass then boobs don't matter. With men, they think they need to have the full package to make a woman happy.
It's true to say men do not put near the same effort that women do, and in a sense it is because of past. Men were the ones who held high positions and brought in money. Parents would do their best to make their daughters beautiful so they could get a good looking rich man. Through this people created products and ideas to make women better looking, and it persisted. Now women believe they have to do such things just to find a good man and the products just keep evolving. We men are actually very simple creatures with each having his own preference. And as diverse as we are culturally no one thing is right. So people keep coming out with more things to enhance the beauty of women. Realistically none of it is needed. But since you won't get everyone in the world to stop it's going to continue. Little long winded but I hope it helps.
Women aren't as visual, but the difference are small. I have no idea what you're talking about. Men are held to just as high standard as women maybe not just physically but socially and financially. Men are expected to look a certain way and men have a universal standard of attractiveness too. Most women are attracted to the white or nicely tan guy with black hair, strong jawline, expected to be a certain height usually 6'1-6'4. We are expected to have a certain body type and look. We have to have abs, nice strong arms and hands, a muscular chest, and basically a fit athletic type of body build. Even with clothes we get judged more than women actually. A man wears a purse or dress he is automatically labeled as gay and unattractive, but a woman can wear man clothes and nobody really cares unless its really manly. A woman can also carry around a wallest and nobody will care.
Big boobs, flat stomach, thick legs & butt, 💯 AMAZING. But guys who shame women for not having those "perks" are a bunch children that have no respect. I hate seeing people hate there bodies and get plastic surgery because they they don't have the "perfect" body according to society. There's guys out there that like you just the way your are, so don't ruin it just to try and fit in. I'd rather be with someone with normal size everything and all natural instead of someone that's full of a bunch of silicone. She can be the most exotic woman one can dream of but if she got a nasty personality I can't see myself with them for long.
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So you see one misogynist's post and assume that there is so much more pressure on women to look better than men? The standards for them are exactly the same. Men are expected to be tall, to have big muscles, to have a large penis. They have to have a square and well-defined jawline, nice tousled hair. Why does it seem ok to reject a guy for not being tall enough but it's horrible and bullying if you reject a girl for how much she weighs? I'm not saying that you are wrong, women do seem to be judged more on how they look. Unfortunately, our male-dominated society still seems to value more attractive women for how they look, not who they are. But men have to conform to certain images too. It's a shit time for both genders if you're insecure about your body and your looks.
Yo I haven't left my house in 50-60 days due to an exam. I haven't had the chance to get a haircut and im running a fever. Hence I haven't even bothered to shave. I look terrible right now. According to you, at my current position, I can score any chick right? lol
Women think they have to be perfect but its all about themselves really. Men.. real men... dont even notice our flaws. They want a real woman. Thr obssession with body and specially fashion comes from the competition bitches have with each other
I hate guys that do that. But we hace similar standards. He have to be tall. Preferably over 6'0 can't weigh more than 200lbs. Must have short hair or bad ass long hair. No facial hair. And no acne. So women aren't the only ones. They also dont realise us guys might still want the chubby ones. Or the ones with flat asses. Or the no tits. I am perfectly fine with those. I know my friends are. My best buddy james. One of the most popular kids in school. He could have literally any of the girls there. But his girlfriend isn't the "perfect girl" she is like 5'2 around 200lbs short hair. And goes by the name samuel. So you just gotta find the right guys in highschool
The standards that are set for women are bad but in a way the same standards are set for men but in different ways
Men or at least my opinion and experience don't prefer a curtain physical feature sure we find women with big boobs and but sexy but that's not what makes us atracted to them, for me I find people like Kim kardiashian and Nicki minaj extremely unattractive, personality of the girl really means something these days as lots of girls don't really have much at a personally I'm not targeting all women with that it's just a general observation
I don’t think it’s men putting that pressure on women. It’s media. It’s cliche but it’s true. Men don’t care too much, honestly. We women think it is, then we take it out on men by placing impossible standards on them in return.
True and both parties in the media are to blame for pushing that ideal onto people since beauty is oke but being almost so slim as someone with anorexia should never be a standart for beauty And to be honest i like people with a little fat on them and a few imperfections
Honestly, every person has his/her own preferences, personally I like girls that with small butt and boobs that fit perfectly in your hand lol I mean not huge but not small either. But this would make me say,"eww I won't date this girl because she doesn't have this, she doesn't have that". Women also look out for men with the ideal butt, chest, abs, v shaped torso etc. We are basicaly the same, we look for women/men with body we like. If you are the type of person that says "oh come on it's the inside that matters not the outside" then you're an idiot. Yeah personality matters but say to an obese person that is more than 90 kgs that they are beautiful or you love them etc. A normal healthy person looks out for people that can take care of themselves.
That's not true at all. I honestly don't care whether or not a girl has a big ass and big boobs. Don't get me wrong, i don't find it attractive if a girl is underweight, but she doesn't have to look like nicki minaj. Body wise, as long as a girl is a healthy weight, she should be fine and even if she's a bit overweight it's all good. When it comes to hair, i personally prefer long hair, but it really depends on the style and the girl herself. However, most girls look better with long hair. When it comes to height, most guys don't care much about it, though some guys might be a bit intimidated by a girl taller than themselves, though it depends on the guy.
Any guy to say otherwise is a prick pretending to have higher standards. I see a ton of these online, and that's all they ever amount to.
The way I see it, women just choose to be anxious about their looks. Nobody expects you to be a Victoria Secret model. It's the peek of physical attractiveness, not the standard (something I'll never understand).
I also don't see how it's the way most people think about guys. Sure, a "good personality" well get you through relationships, but it's not like women turn their heads twice unless you're 8 and above. Looks are the first thing you see, so it's not like you'll see a guy's personality just through his looks. And why would you bother if he just looks average?
There's inherently high physical standards for both genders, but women are under FAR much more scrutiny in the media, especially celebrities who are caught without make up or who are having a bad hair day, etc...
However, looking at semi-unattainable goals for both men and women? You just need to look at magazines like Cosmopolitan and Men's Health, adverts for health supplements, things like Beachbody etc...
The post in question that you saw isn't just awful for the person the post is about, but highly damaging for anyone with self confidence or body confidence issues.
Ultimately? If we all learn to love the bodies were in, but find that balance between body confidence and 'loving who were are even if it's a danger to our ongoing physical or mental health'
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I think the "ideal body type" proposed in society has more to do with women attacking other women. Usually men don't care what you look like. They usually are not the ones attacking women's attributes. All you can do is train yourself not to judge. Now that's a hard thing to do. Something I still struggle with but change comes from within.
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See this person gets it😉
There is. "He has to be 6'4. Abs. Tanned skin or dark. He has to be ripped and in shape. He has to be handsome like a model. He has to have hair but not be hairy. He has to have a 7 incher or more"
that's the thing i hate about society always judging based off of looks rather than personality, it pisses me off so much tbh, nothing against you though more against society in general
I do see your point but biologically women are hold to a higher standard then men when it comes to physical attractiveness, it's just the way we are programmed. Men can get away with being stronger, richer or having more power but women are almost only judged on their appearance.
Lol look how ugly Repa is and she thinks she deserves this. Must be dreaming, in a world where she’s not ugly.
I mean the 24 upvotes speaks for themself 😊
@Fikgfjgd No need to be rude dude.
@Repa33 It's ok to differ in opinions but all the upvotes are from guys so that says a lot too haha
Dude i saw a post the other day on Facebook calling men "girls" if he's shorter than 6'0. Or something like that.. it seriously goes both ways. Just be happy with yourself and forget what others think. You should want to be healthy and maintain the best standards you can for yourself. That's for both genders.
Yes those are American standards cuz a man’s average height in America is considered to be 5’10 and women want above average men.
But calling men little girls is just a subconscious justification of their own inferiority over men cuz when it comes to me I’ve never shamed a woman calling her a boy or a man cuz that’s an indirect way of telling her that my gender is inferior and I’d insult you calling you a man or a boy.
It’s absurd cuz they’re indirectly insulting themselves before they insult the man cuz they themselves are inferior in their own eyes.
@Saint I don't really understand the "man boy thing"
@Asker, You’re biased mate, you can’t assume that being born a woman is all about disadvantages and being a man is all about advantages cuz that’s so immature of you.
Make more guy friends and get to know them on a personal level and you’d get to know what goes behind the curtains okay?
And stop being so immature
I'm actually 15. And i didn't say being a woman meant only disadvantages, this question is just solely about the disadvantages of women. I am well aware that men have them as well. I have plenty of guy friends, so my group isn't as non diverse as you think
Hahaha By this reference I can also say men that got a Dick smaller than 9" are little girls too... I might not be taller than 6' height but I'm sure I'm bigger than any of those who would consider themselves "men" lol
@MonsterD13, you’re right but we don’t roam around naked like cave men era and women and gay men don’t have X-ray visions either 😂
They can see by the "volume" of it under the pants. Also when they get to see it in pics or real. There are also things called nudism resorts and beaches and parties. But I agree with u about that most of the time on normal daily situations it's harder for them to tell but that's why you get them with attitude, good talk, nice smell and style and things like that, it also helps not being ugly and having muscles ;)
Yea but when it comes to me I’m a guy who’s not interested in anal sex and oral sex and I wouldn’t wanna let the woman take my pants off anyway and if she likes to do that she’d better get a gigolo than me.. it’s kind of uncomfortable when they look at you with all that lust in their eyes, it just shatters my soul
I've found women to hold a far stricter hold on appearance than that of men.
Women often put down in their profiles how much they value this quality and that quality, however the guy must first pass the appearance test first. If a guy has too much weight he is passed by super fast. I send request after request to women telling them how much I feel connected to the things they have said in their profiles and nearly half the time my messages get "unread deleted" because I'm overweight right now.
It doesn't matter that I'm overweight because I was injured while serving in the Marines and almost died and have spent the last 5 to 10 years fighting to regain the ability to walk and breathe on my own.
So much for the ladies looking for a good man that will treat them right.
But men must have a deep voice, be muscular/fit, basically have no fat, not is specific regions but everywhere, not to mention a healthy body fat %for women is 7% higher then for men which means men have to work harder for that, also we have to be tall, have confidence for some reason we aren't supposed to have emotions, and be a protector, and since we are an "entitled white male" (some guys arnt white but you get my point) we end up getting more backlash for anything we do or say about anything. I think its about equal for men vs women is this regard, we are both given unfair standards.
You are obviously a woman if you say that. You are blind. Look at any Disney prince and see how perfect he is!!! Look at ever highschool show or movie having the boys be played by 20 year old men that look like Greek gods. Listen to songs pressuring for men to be at least 6ft or to have at least a 6inch dick. There is far more UNREALISTIC pressure on men. Women face get a lot of this pressure in their head from model magazines designed to make them buy the shit to look better. In all reality women are loved by men for any one of those aspects you mentioned. People generally like a healthy person of similar life style choices and after that boobs, butt, face, belly, sex, and whatever physical think they like is a preference or just bonus. Guys like boobs, but if you got an ass then boobs don't matter. With men, they think they need to have the full package to make a woman happy.
It's true to say men do not put near the same effort that women do, and in a sense it is because of past. Men were the ones who held high positions and brought in money. Parents would do their best to make their daughters beautiful so they could get a good looking rich man. Through this people created products and ideas to make women better looking, and it persisted. Now women believe they have to do such things just to find a good man and the products just keep evolving. We men are actually very simple creatures with each having his own preference. And as diverse as we are culturally no one thing is right. So people keep coming out with more things to enhance the beauty of women. Realistically none of it is needed. But since you won't get everyone in the world to stop it's going to continue. Little long winded but I hope it helps.
Well said
Women aren't as visual, but the difference are small. I have no idea what you're talking about. Men are held to just as high standard as women maybe not just physically but socially and financially. Men are expected to look a certain way and men have a universal standard of attractiveness too. Most women are attracted to the white or nicely tan guy with black hair, strong jawline, expected to be a certain height usually 6'1-6'4. We are expected to have a certain body type and look. We have to have abs, nice strong arms and hands, a muscular chest, and basically a fit athletic type of body build. Even with clothes we get judged more than women actually. A man wears a purse or dress he is automatically labeled as gay and unattractive, but a woman can wear man clothes and nobody really cares unless its really manly. A woman can also carry around a wallest and nobody will care.
All these replies are excellent.
Big boobs, flat stomach, thick legs & butt, 💯 AMAZING. But guys who shame women for not having those "perks" are a bunch children that have no respect. I hate seeing people hate there bodies and get plastic surgery because they they don't have the "perfect" body according to society. There's guys out there that like you just the way your are, so don't ruin it just to try and fit in. I'd rather be with someone with normal size everything and all natural instead of someone that's full of a bunch of silicone. She can be the most exotic woman one can dream of but if she got a nasty personality I can't see myself with them for long.
So you see one misogynist's post and assume that there is so much more pressure on women to look better than men? The standards for them are exactly the same. Men are expected to be tall, to have big muscles, to have a large penis. They have to have a square and well-defined jawline, nice tousled hair. Why does it seem ok to reject a guy for not being tall enough but it's horrible and bullying if you reject a girl for how much she weighs? I'm not saying that you are wrong, women do seem to be judged more on how they look. Unfortunately, our male-dominated society still seems to value more attractive women for how they look, not who they are. But men have to conform to certain images too. It's a shit time for both genders if you're insecure about your body and your looks.
Yo I haven't left my house in 50-60 days due to an exam. I haven't had the chance to get a haircut and im running a fever. Hence I haven't even bothered to shave. I look terrible right now. According to you, at my current position, I can score any chick right? lol
Women think they have to be perfect but its all about themselves really. Men.. real men... dont even notice our flaws. They want a real woman.
Thr obssession with body and specially fashion comes from the competition bitches have with each other
I hate guys that do that. But we hace similar standards. He have to be tall. Preferably over 6'0 can't weigh more than 200lbs. Must have short hair or bad ass long hair. No facial hair. And no acne. So women aren't the only ones. They also dont realise us guys might still want the chubby ones. Or the ones with flat asses. Or the no tits. I am perfectly fine with those. I know my friends are. My best buddy james. One of the most popular kids in school. He could have literally any of the girls there. But his girlfriend isn't the "perfect girl" she is like 5'2 around 200lbs short hair. And goes by the name samuel. So you just gotta find the right guys in highschool
The standards that are set for women are bad but in a way the same standards are set for men but in different ways
Men or at least my opinion and experience don't prefer a curtain physical feature sure we find women with big boobs and but sexy but that's not what makes us atracted to them, for me I find people like Kim kardiashian and Nicki minaj extremely unattractive, personality of the girl really means something these days as lots of girls don't really have much at a personally I'm not targeting all women with that it's just a general observation
I don’t think it’s men putting that pressure on women. It’s media. It’s cliche but it’s true. Men don’t care too much, honestly.
We women think it is, then we take it out on men by placing impossible standards on them in return.
True and both parties in the media are to blame for pushing that ideal onto people since beauty is oke but being almost so slim as someone with anorexia should never be a standart for beauty
And to be honest i like people with a little fat on them and a few imperfections
Honestly, every person has his/her own preferences, personally I like girls that with small butt and boobs that fit perfectly in your hand lol I mean not huge but not small either. But this would make me say,"eww I won't date this girl because she doesn't have this, she doesn't have that". Women also look out for men with the ideal butt, chest, abs, v shaped torso etc. We are basicaly the same, we look for women/men with body we like. If you are the type of person that says "oh come on it's the inside that matters not the outside" then you're an idiot. Yeah personality matters but say to an obese person that is more than 90 kgs that they are beautiful or you love them etc. A normal healthy person looks out for people that can take care of themselves.
That's not true at all. I honestly don't care whether or not a girl has a big ass and big boobs. Don't get me wrong, i don't find it attractive if a girl is underweight, but she doesn't have to look like nicki minaj. Body wise, as long as a girl is a healthy weight, she should be fine and even if she's a bit overweight it's all good. When it comes to hair, i personally prefer long hair, but it really depends on the style and the girl herself. However, most girls look better with long hair. When it comes to height, most guys don't care much about it, though some guys might be a bit intimidated by a girl taller than themselves, though it depends on the guy.
standards are stupid, the really important is what you can give, and to ask for what you really need.
Obviusly, if you go for the leader of the soccer team, you must have the standard, but... are you sure he has what you need?
On my opinion, you should worry less for what stupid men think and say, and worry more for what real men ussually aks for:
Feelings, thoughts, flexibility with his hobbies...
And above all, to have clear what you are going to ask him. It will filter "stupid monkey" opinions like the one you quoted.
Any guy to say otherwise is a prick pretending to have higher standards. I see a ton of these online, and that's all they ever amount to.
The way I see it, women just choose to be anxious about their looks. Nobody expects you to be a Victoria Secret model. It's the peek of physical attractiveness, not the standard (something I'll never understand).
I also don't see how it's the way most people think about guys. Sure, a "good personality" well get you through relationships, but it's not like women turn their heads twice unless you're 8 and above. Looks are the first thing you see, so it's not like you'll see a guy's personality just through his looks. And why would you bother if he just looks average?
There's inherently high physical standards for both genders, but women are under FAR much more scrutiny in the media, especially celebrities who are caught without make up or who are having a bad hair day, etc...
However, looking at semi-unattainable goals for both men and women? You just need to look at magazines like Cosmopolitan and Men's Health, adverts for health supplements, things like Beachbody etc...
The post in question that you saw isn't just awful for the person the post is about, but highly damaging for anyone with self confidence or body confidence issues.
Ultimately? If we all learn to love the bodies were in, but find that balance between body confidence and 'loving who were are even if it's a danger to our ongoing physical or mental health'