You have one problem with your stats. If I know im not going to commit a felony or suicide then the chance of me doing those things is 0. There is only a chance of it happening to someone i dont know. This is the problem with all gun stats. Im always safer as a trained, mentally stable person, with my own gun than no gun. There is no situation in which that is not the case. Its similar to saying if you won the lotto, whats the chance of having won the lotto? Its 100%.
So we can't take part in olympic and commonwealth sports because some twat with a PhD says guns are scary. Yeah makes sense.
@bamesjond0069 I want you to own a gun. Chances are you live far away from me, meaning I'll be safe from your obvious instability and because the odds say you are WAY more likely to kill yourself just by owning a firearm, it's a win-win all around.
@abc--123 Show some respect. You are a twat with a HS diploma and we don't come on here calling YOU names.
Odds for you maybe. Odds for me no. Take a statistics course please!
@bamesjond0069 I did. I got a 4.0. I am a stats genius.
Obviously not. So here then. If you had a gun in a safe under your bed. Whats the chance you would commit suicide with it?
So in the same sentence you call me a twat and say you don't call me names. Seems like that education is being put to good use.
@abc--123 You used twat first, you ridiculous twat.
Yet another brilliant example of this intellect you claim to have.
So you think a guy couldn't kill you without a gun? Your entire argument makes no sense. You don't like guns. That's all you need to say.
@SueShe I rarely dislike someone’s opinion, but I must disagree with your argument entirely.
I can't believe how many people are liking this. You could have had a much better sound argument as to why you don't like guns but these reasons are just ridiculous.
@johnny_hustle It looks as if others dislike guns and the dangerous people that use them and that use the pretext to protect themselves.The latest events in the US shows that there is an anti-gun owner movement that should not be underestimated.
"Gun owners are usually very unstable people..". Yeah, the ones who shoot up schools and parks etc. are. I know a lot of people who own guns, and if you think that is true of most of them then you are an idiot.
Obviously you the wrong idea about us. It's just like how minorities make the most noise that's why it seems to be a bigger issue.
Seriously, her age explains these inaccuracies.
@MORPHEUS_12 Let's seewww.keranews.org/.../fact-checking-6-myths-about-perpetrators-mass-shootingsfact 1. There's no one profile.- meaning that anyone having a gun could become a mass murdererfact 2. Only a quarter studied have been diagnosed with a mental illness - meaning all those having a gunfact 3. Most take a week or more to plan the attack - meaning that without a gun, you cannot plan so far aheadfact 4. There are behaviors that are a tip-off, including if those making threats have acquired firearms - meaning that those with the slightest history of domestic violence is a potential mass killerfact 5. Nearly 75% of the active shooters studied by the FBI legally purchased or possessed the firearm used in the crime - meaning ANYONE having a gun at home could be a mass murdererSo, what does that tell? that 75% of the US population having a gun at home is a potential mass murderer. How many guys/girls here on GAG have one? Perhaps 10,000? Conclusion: 7,500 of you US gun owners are potentially dangerous people.And that all at age 17 and not yet brain washed by the NRA and a little yellow headed Donny!
You are genuinely the dumbest fuck on this thread.
@abc--123 Glad I could help you get everything out of Kindergarten knowledge.After abc and 123 comes def and 456. Did you already learn that? Good boy. Your mommy will be proud of you ;-)
You need to learn how to extrapolate data. According to the link you provide, only a quarter of active shooters have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's NOT the same thing as saying a quarter of gun owners diagnose are mentally ill. That also doesn't mean that 75% of gun owners are potential mass murderers. As for planning ahead. You're making the statement that without a gun you can't plan ahead. That's not true. I can plan ahead without a gun. I can plan ahead with nothing but my brain. No clothes or tools needed. That study just states that of the active shooters, 77% decide to plan ahead. Nothing in there indicates that you have to have a gun to plan ahead. Which is literally what you said.
Even in your study it states that mass shooters are EXTREMELY RARE making up less than 1% of gun homicides. So, no, 75% of gun owners are not potential mass murderers. It also doesn't state anything about domestic violence. It literally states, "These include recklessness, violent media usage, changes in hygiene and weight, impulsivity, firearm behavior, and physical aggression." Nothing in there states anything about domestic violence. These behaviors could be seen in someone with the slightest history of domestic violence but someone having these behavior traits doesn't mean they have the slightest history of domestic violence. They could easily have 0 history of domestic violence. It says 85% of 144 mass shootings since 1982 the shooter had obtained the gun legally. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT 85% OF GUN OWNERS WHO OWN THEIR GUN LEGALLY COULD BECOME MASS MURDERERS. No more than someone who doesn't own a gun could become a mass murderer. There is an average of about one gun per person in the United states. There are over 300,000,000 people/guns in the united states. Yet, since 1982, according to your link, there has been 114 mass shootings since 1982. 114/75,000,000 (since about a quarter of Americans own 100% of the guns) = .00000152 or.000152% mass shootings per person who owns a gun. That's 1% of 1%. And 75,000,000 is the low end so technically that number is probably even smaller.
correct. That's 1 percent of 1 percent of 1 percent.
@johnny_hustle Thanks for being factual.That does not change much to the fact that the US is ranking on the very top of the most violent nation/people in the Western world.The US post the sad record of 4 cities in the top 50 in terms of murder rates, ranking 4th. in terms of most violent cities per nation, just behind Brazil, Mexico and Venezuela. Those 3 first are hardly countries that one would qualify as safe but everyone seems to rate the US as safe. Statistics say the contrary.I have not done an in-depth search but just found that horrifying data on Wikipedia.So out of 11 nations surveyed, the US is the ONLY one that is supposed to be civilized.en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_cities_by_murder_rateAlso, I wonder how the parents of those children murdered in those mass shootings analyze those figures and if they also find it so banal.Fact is, and all statistics in the world will not change anything in my point of view, that I and probably a large number of others would not date a person that owns/carries/uses a gun. That's it and that was basically the question asked.
Those cities that have he highest crime are the cities that have the most gun control.
@berserk945 True fact. Chicago and Washington, D. C. are prime examples.
Thank you @Elliegirl!
LOL. More like all that at 17 and unable to proceed to a logical conclusion. 99% of gun owners NEVER SHOOT ANYONE. Your logic seems to be, gee, anyone who ever shot someone had a gun, therefore if someone has a gun they may be a mass killer.You really need to take a logic class before you proceed further in your education.
@zagor Anyone having a gun is READY to use it, thus is a potential killer. Why else would you own guns if not to be ready to murder when the time is right?
I own them so I am not a lamb to the slaughter. When a psycho or an everyday criminal decides that I or someone around me is going to be the victim of the criminal act that they are going to perform. And don't even say "if your worried about self preservation then you need to move from were you live to a more civilized place" well guess what no matter where you live in this world there is evil, as long as evil exists you are not 100% safe.
Any one having a gun is a ready to use it, thus a potential killer.Two can play at that. Anyone having a knife is ready to use one. Thus a potential killer.Anyone with lighter fluid and a match is ready to use them. Thus a potential killer.Anyone with a blunt object like a hammer or a baseball bat is ready to use one. Thus a potential killer.Anyone with hands and feets are ready to use them. Thus a potential killer. Just to let you know, more than 600 people each year is straight up murdered by the murderer using nothing but their own physical body parts like there fist and feet. We're all technically potential killers based on this logic. Even you.Guns can be used to murder in cold blood. Guns can also be used as protection against someone ready to do you harm. Especially for women it is the ultimate equalizer By equalizer I mean a woman can easily protect herself using a gun against a strong athletic male who is about to rape her. Outside of the gun range and hunting, most people who own guns never use them against another person. And they also hope that they never have too. A gun is nothing but a tool. How you use that tool is up to you.
@Ninakumarip@MORPHEUS_12 @zagor@berserk945@abc--123Thank you guys for the MHO. All of you made my day.Happy shooting!
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So would your ideal man hide in the closet with you when a robber breaks into your house or would he confront an armed intruder with a kitchen knife and get shot to death?
She wears the pants.. No alpha men ready to protect his own, in her pad.. Lol..😊
I think I speak for all gun owners when I say we don't want you either.
Yeah till somebody enters in your house trying to rob you or to rape you.
@Alan97 The whole good guy with a gun thing vs bad guy with a gun thing doesn’t really work. Most of the time people just end up shooting themselves with their own guns. Also I just don’t like the idea of having a gun in the house. I’ve seen what happens when deadly weapons are easily accessible. My aunt was held at gunpoint by the father of her children in their own home. My own step father has threatened to shoot my mother. I’ve lived my life just fine so far without a gun. I don’t want them near me, I don’t want them in my home, and I don’t want them around my future children because all they bring is harm and death.
Hey if people want to kill, they are going to kill.
If you're threatened that your boyfriend would kill you or murder or hold you hostage, then you should leave him He deserves someone better.
@Alan97 I’d prefer if he didn’t have a death machine in our home that would provide a super easy and convenient way to do it.
@ThisGuyDucks I’m not threatened by him. My mother didn’t feel threatened by my step father, and my aunt didn’t feel threatened by her boyfriend, but look what happened. I don’t like guns. I don’t want them around me. I don’t want them around my family.
It is true but think about this, more people die in their bed or in their bathroom than by gunshot. It is just a matter of protection. You'll be just fine!
@Alan97 I’d rather not take that risk.
That's the point, you don't trust men with your life, you never know if your own boyfriend could kill, so it makes no sense for you to ever getting into a relationship with a man.I don't get women, they say how men are dangerous, scary, murderers and yet they still willingly marry and date men, like what the fuck?If that's how you feel about men then stay the fuck away from them, why would you risk getting murdered?
@selfdestruction I have rifle case under my bed with two pellet rifle's and a pellet gun and one rifle as a scope on it and it's dead on. I can place a washer on a bored and dead center with out hitting the washer. And I sited the scope my self.
Are you American?
@selfdestruction born and raised in America. :)
As am I. I have pellets guns. 30 cal. But they aren’t my defense weapons
@selfdestruction I still need to get a permit so I can carry it outside the house my 38 special service revolver.
Yeah. I have my ccp. I carry at 10mm. A.45. Or my 9mm.
Yeah. 10mm is my favorite. Is like having a light 357 mag in a semi auto frame.
I am against guns and stuff but the pic made me laugh. Your shirt is ironic as hell.I personally think guns are okay in a way as long as you don't use it for the wrong things. Unfortunately there are enough people out there who misuse guns and use them to do bad things, which is why I'm against it.
Less than one percent of gun owners commit crimes
If memory serves there is a 700 yard range in the area. Correct?
@MannMitAntworten Not sure, we just go out by Giant Rock and there is plenty of rocks as a back stop and no one is usually out there.
Sweet deal. Granted I'd be leery of ricochets when using rock as a backstop.
And im not a liberal
Its ok to be safe considering what happened to you. Dont forget when you feel safe to give the approval.. To give it, some men on net die a hero protector.. Not all men become, loser rabid dogs.. Lol..
It's not the guns that kill people.It's the bullets. Make each bullet cost $5,000. People will never be able to afford mass shootings
@daddyspanksurass celebs will and theyre loose cannons... although theyre more likely to commit suicide than a shooting
@dizzydesli Your not a ditzy chick thats for sure.. 😎👍
Also, I own a rifle for hunting purposes. I eat what I kill, take the meat, sell the fur and I have the bones ground into bonemeal which I sell to gardeners in my neighborhood. I donate the other stuff I dont use to a composting company.
The funny thing is it should make more sense for women to be pro gun than men. The great equalizer does the most for those at a physical disadvantage.
How is that common sense? And it scares me that you own a gun and think an assualt rifle is a real thing. Do you mean black guns? Why does the color matter? Do you mean full auto guns? Already illegal. Im not sure wtf you're even talking about.
@bamesjond0069 : First, assault rifles are a real thing. The first real assault rifle was developed by Germany during word war two. It was tagged the Sturmgewehr. There is specific criteria needed for a rifle to be properly called an assault rifle. Second, I did not say 'assault rifle.' I said 'assault style rifle.' There is no easy term in universal use to describe what many people have that is a rapid fir, magazine loaded rifle. And I did not mention any color, so I don't understand why you are asking if a color matters. I am referring to rifles that have large magazines, that are capable of very rapid fire. And often, such guns can be comparatively easily made into automatics. Bottom line. Rifles, and actually guns, that, again, have large magazines and can fire very rapidly, allowing them to kill many people without changing a magazine. I'm sure that gives you a good idea of what I'm talking about. If not, use the same imagination that allows you to think there is no such thing as an assault rifle.
They dont sell "rapid fire" guns in america. They are illegal and have been for a long time now. The next closest would be semi automatic. Which are all just as "rapid fire" as any other semi automatic. Lmao.
@bamesjond0069 : Do you laugh your ass off at the dead in El Paso and Dayton? And we know semi automatics can often be turned into automatics. The issue is not the terminology, but what kills many people in a short period of time. Semi-automatic rifles with large magazines are ideal for killing in large numbers. Even in the military, they often use semi-automatic fire, over automatic fire. And as you well know, a rifle has superior fire power, and can be more effectively aimed at many targets, especially if they are not real close and moving. You can play games all day long, but the bottom line is, people are being mass murdered in America. It's obvious from your comments, that you would rather play semantics, that help save lives. That doesn't make you superior, just the opposite is more like it. It's people, apparently like yourself, who would rather fiddle, while our children and women are being murdered. Fortunately, the majority of Americans want to see our children live, and are willing to have common sense gun laws to help prevent these killings.
I laugh my ass off at you at how dumb you are. Those "assault rifles" functionally aren't any different than your typical semi auto handgun. Do you laugh at the 1000x more people who die every year from hand guns? You obviously don't care about them at all.
@bamesjond0069 : You make a lot of assumptions about others, with very little knowledge. I find that typical of gun nuts. You keep making comments that are foolish, to deflect from the real issue. Though the mechanism of guns is similar, it's still very true, that a rifle with a large magazine, is more effective, will murder more people, that will a hand gun. But you know that. And you seem to care much more about your guns, than about dead people. And yes, I am very aware of the statistics about hand gun deaths. But we are now talking about rifles with large magazines, and how they murder in mass numbers. Apparently, your argument is so weak, that you must keep deflecting away from the facts of mass murders and semi-automatic rifles and large magazines.
I don't see the relevance. Mass numbers in one particular type of crime but overall its one if the least types of gun used in all gun deaths. "Assault rifles" cause about 1% of all gun deaths in the US yet are one of the most popular guns to own. So it seems like it won't help much but will inconvenience a lot.
@bamesjond0069 : I do understand you. Your belief seems to be, keep the guns, too bad if there are mass murders. It's only a dozen or more at a time anyway.
And he couldn't do that with a knife? If you date that kind of man then you better get a gun yourself.
@zagor I'll use pepper spray
Pepper spray doesn't only effect the attacker but everyone in the area. And it doesn't incompasitate. A stun gun be better. Or have a knife to pair with the either.
@berserk945 what if police put me in jail?
Wow! Really what's so bad about having a gun for protection we live in a crazy world it's always good to be prepared
Until little Timmy grabs a gun and shoots up the school.
@Dashee Who's little Timmy? Some random kid? My guns are either locked up or on my person. And who's gonna stop little Timmy if you're pissing yourself afraid of guns? Because it sure as hell won't be you. Continue corralling kids into kill boxes with no armed security so little Timmy has the easiest, softest target possible to inflict maximum damage with impunity, then be surprised when you get that exact result.
Who knows. It could be your future son lmao. Anyways, I don't really worry about that. I'm European, so my children will be going to school and not a shooting range.
@Dashee It could be YOUR future son. Most mass shooters aren't previous gun owners, because they're too often foiled by gun malfunctions. Even a moderately experienced shooter knows how to identify and clear most malfunctions in a matter of seconds. You can bet my kids will know how to clear any malfunction in record time. You won't be able to blink fast enough.
Where I live, you can't buy guns in stores. Matter of fact, owning guns is illegal and our country doesn't sell any. You'd have to go to the dark web and get one, which is still very tricky. America is just a fucked up country and the people are too ignorant and too filled with pride to even see it. Mass shootings aren't normal. Owning guns isn't normal. Teaching my children to use something that could very easily kill someone isn't normal. Not everyone is mentally stable, and giving them the opportunity to murder isn't normal.
@Dashee Oh please, it's been proven time and time again that banning guns doesn't mean guns disappear. France has extremely strict gun laws too. So much so that not even all police officers are armed. Ask Charlie Hebdo how well that protected him. And teaching your children about reality is being smart. You're reasoning is just insane. Cars could easily kill someone. Cars kill people every day. Are you not going to teach your kids how to drive? Cars are a part of life and so are guns. Everyone should know how to handle a gun. Everyone.
Cars? have? a? purpose? other? than? killing?Cars are used as a form of transportation. Guns are used to kill and hurt living being, albeit animals or humans. It has no useful purpose other than creating damage and destruction. Your reasoning seems to be as off as mine apparently.Aside from that, in Europe we don't have drills at school where we're being told what to do in case a kid's walking around with an AK-47. We don't dread going outside in fear of guns.You're right, just because guns are banned doesn't mean they disappear. But if a normal person can easily obtain a gun, a mentally instable person can, too. Crack and heroin and such are also illegal, which is why it's a lot harder to obtain and a lot harder for people to get addicted to it. If these drugs were to be sold in stores, a lot more people would be hooked on it.
@Dashee Divide the little Timmys by all of the kids and you'll discover some amazing facts. Like how many times more likely you are to die from the flu in a given year than from some random "Little Timmy." The worst year for mass shootings by far was 2017, the year of the Las Vegas Massacre with 117 killed. The LOWEST yearly death toll in the USA from the flu was 3349 way back in 198687 flu. season The worst was 2003-4 with over 48,000 deaths.
@Liam_Hayden Your point? Should we ban the fucking flue? What the fuck are you getting at?
@Dashee Guns? Have a purpose? Other than killing? I have two target guns that would make terrible people killers. You'd be more successful smashing the stock over someone's skull than trying to shoot them to death. The problem is, you know nothing about guns so you end up talking out of your ass. That's on you. The fact that you don't know how to handle a gun and know nothing about guns makes you afraid of them. So what? People who can't swim are afraid of water. Doesn't mean water should be banned, and thousands of people who can't swim drown every year.
@Dashee Yup, have comfort in knowing that fucked up individuals are gonna use worse methods and just buy illegal firearms.
@SusanaMullen Good for you