Would you date someone who owns guns?

[Ninakumarip]

Would you date someone who owns guns?

Yes

No

[supercutebutt]

No I would not. I am all about probabilities...

A person pulling the trigger on a gun is most likely to be shooting themselves, then their family, then commit a felony, then way, way, way down the line, if they're lucky, they hit a bad guy.

To add some more painful perspective, you are more likely to be shot by a hunter than by a terrorist. Hunters accidentally shoot about 1000 people a year, roughly 50 times more than terrorists. About 500 people a year are killed by mass shooters. But these numbers fluctuate rapidly.

The odds of shooting a bad guy without a gun are zero. But some may consider having a gun a bit like drinking a steady regimen of Drano to prevent parasites that may not ever actually appear. It could work.

The reality seems to be that when our bullets don't wind up in non-human animals or street signs, then when you use one to shoot someone, about 99 times out of a 100, you will commit a felony, shoot yourself, or shoot someone by accident. In roughly one out of a hundred cases, you shoot the bad guy.

Thomas Hills Ph. D.
Statistical Life

[bamesjond0069]

You have one problem with your stats. If I know im not going to commit a felony or suicide then the chance of me doing those things is 0. There is only a chance of it happening to someone i dont know. This is the problem with all gun stats. Im always safer as a trained, mentally stable person, with my own gun than no gun. There is no situation in which that is not the case. Its similar to saying if you won the lotto, whats the chance of having won the lotto? Its 100%.

[abc--123]

So we can't take part in olympic and commonwealth sports because some twat with a PhD says guns are scary. Yeah makes sense.

[supercutebutt]

@bamesjond0069 I want you to own a gun. Chances are you live far away from me, meaning I'll be safe from your obvious instability and because the odds say you are WAY more likely to kill yourself just by owning a firearm, it's a win-win all around.

[supercutebutt]

@abc--123 Show some respect. You are a twat with a HS diploma and we don't come on here calling YOU names.

[bamesjond0069]

Odds for you maybe. Odds for me no. Take a statistics course please!

[supercutebutt]

@bamesjond0069 I did. I got a 4.0. I am a stats genius.

[bamesjond0069]

Obviously not. So here then. If you had a gun in a safe under your bed. Whats the chance you would commit suicide with it?

[abc--123]

So in the same sentence you call me a twat and say you don't call me names. Seems like that education is being put to good use.

[supercutebutt]

@abc--123 You used twat first, you ridiculous twat.

[abc--123]

Yet another brilliant example of this intellect you claim to have.

[SueShe]

The comparison is about the same as if you would ask if you would date a psychopath.

The answer is a clear no unless you are tired of living. A person that owns a gun is a potential murderer waiting for the right occasion to send you back to the creator.

The slightest wrong word or look you give that person and the higher the risk that he/she uses the gun to "teach you a lesson".

Gun owners are usually very unstable people with low self esteem and ridden with complexes that need a gun to give themselves a certain psychological security. Unfortunately, their security is usually others' misfortune.

[Xyline789]

So you think a guy couldn't kill you without a gun? Your entire argument makes no sense. You don't like guns. That's all you need to say.

[Elliegirl]

@SueShe I rarely dislike someone’s opinion, but I must disagree with your argument entirely.

[johnny_hustle]

I can't believe how many people are liking this. You could have had a much better sound argument as to why you don't like guns but these reasons are just ridiculous.

[SueShe]

@johnny_hustle It looks as if others dislike guns and the dangerous people that use them and that use the pretext to protect themselves.

The latest events in the US shows that there is an anti-gun owner movement that should not be underestimated.

[zagor]

"Gun owners are usually very unstable people..". Yeah, the ones who shoot up schools and parks etc. are. I know a lot of people who own guns, and if you think that is true of most of them then you are an idiot.

[berserk945]

Obviously you the wrong idea about us. It's just like how minorities make the most noise that's why it seems to be a bigger issue.

[MORPHEUS_12]

Seriously, her age explains these inaccuracies.

[SueShe]

@MORPHEUS_12

Let's see

www.keranews.org/.../fact-checking-6-myths-about-perpetrators-mass-shootings

fact 1. There's no one profile.- meaning that anyone having a gun could become a mass murderer
fact 2. Only a quarter studied have been diagnosed with a mental illness - meaning all those having a gun
fact 3. Most take a week or more to plan the attack - meaning that without a gun, you cannot plan so far ahead
fact 4. There are behaviors that are a tip-off, including if those making threats have acquired firearms - meaning that those with the slightest history of domestic violence is a potential mass killer
fact 5. Nearly 75% of the active shooters studied by the FBI legally purchased or possessed the firearm used in the crime - meaning ANYONE having a gun at home could be a mass murderer

So, what does that tell? that 75% of the US population having a gun at home is a potential mass murderer. How many guys/girls here on GAG have one? Perhaps 10,000? Conclusion: 7,500 of you US gun owners are potentially dangerous people.

And that all at age 17 and not yet brain washed by the NRA and a little yellow headed Donny!

[abc--123]

You are genuinely the dumbest fuck on this thread.

[SueShe]

@abc--123 Glad I could help you get everything out of Kindergarten knowledge.

After abc and 123 comes def and 456. Did you already learn that? Good boy. Your mommy will be proud of you ;-)

[johnny_hustle]

You need to learn how to extrapolate data. According to the link you provide, only a quarter of active shooters have been diagnosed as mentally ill. That's NOT the same thing as saying a quarter of gun owners diagnose are mentally ill. That also doesn't mean that 75% of gun owners are potential mass murderers.

As for planning ahead. You're making the statement that without a gun you can't plan ahead. That's not true. I can plan ahead without a gun. I can plan ahead with nothing but my brain. No clothes or tools needed. That study just states that of the active shooters, 77% decide to plan ahead. Nothing in there indicates that you have to have a gun to plan ahead. Which is literally what you said.

[johnny_hustle]

Even in your study it states that mass shooters are EXTREMELY RARE making up less than 1% of gun homicides. So, no, 75% of gun owners are not potential mass murderers. It also doesn't state anything about domestic violence. It literally states, "These include recklessness, violent media usage, changes in hygiene and weight, impulsivity, firearm behavior, and physical aggression." Nothing in there states anything about domestic violence. These behaviors could be seen in someone with the slightest history of domestic violence but someone having these behavior traits doesn't mean they have the slightest history of domestic violence. They could easily have 0 history of domestic violence.

It says 85% of 144 mass shootings since 1982 the shooter had obtained the gun legally. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT 85% OF GUN OWNERS WHO OWN THEIR GUN LEGALLY COULD BECOME MASS MURDERERS. No more than someone who doesn't own a gun could become a mass murderer. There is an average of about one gun per person in the United states. There are over 300,000,000 people/guns in the united states. Yet, since 1982, according to your link, there has been 114 mass shootings since 1982. 114/75,000,000 (since about a quarter of Americans own 100% of the guns) = .00000152 or.000152% mass shootings per person who owns a gun. That's 1% of 1%. And 75,000,000 is the low end so technically that number is probably even smaller.

[johnny_hustle]

correct. That's 1 percent of 1 percent of 1 percent.

[johnny_hustle]

correction*

[SueShe]

@johnny_hustle Thanks for being factual.

That does not change much to the fact that the US is ranking on the very top of the most violent nation/people in the Western world.

The US post the sad record of 4 cities in the top 50 in terms of murder rates, ranking 4th. in terms of most violent cities per nation, just behind Brazil, Mexico and Venezuela. Those 3 first are hardly countries that one would qualify as safe but everyone seems to rate the US as safe. Statistics say the contrary.

I have not done an in-depth search but just found that horrifying data on Wikipedia.

So out of 11 nations surveyed, the US is the ONLY one that is supposed to be civilized.

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Also, I wonder how the parents of those children murdered in those mass shootings analyze those figures and if they also find it so banal.

Fact is, and all statistics in the world will not change anything in my point of view, that I and probably a large number of others would not date a person that owns/carries/uses a gun. That's it and that was basically the question asked.

[berserk945]

Those cities that have he highest crime are the cities that have the most gun control.

[Elliegirl]

@berserk945 True fact. Chicago and Washington, D. C. are prime examples.

[berserk945]

Thank you @Elliegirl!

[zagor]

LOL. More like all that at 17 and unable to proceed to a logical conclusion. 99% of gun owners NEVER SHOOT ANYONE. Your logic seems to be, gee, anyone who ever shot someone had a gun, therefore if someone has a gun they may be a mass killer.

You really need to take a logic class before you proceed further in your education.

[SueShe]

@zagor Anyone having a gun is READY to use it, thus is a potential killer. Why else would you own guns if not to be ready to murder when the time is right?

[berserk945]

I own them so I am not a lamb to the slaughter. When a psycho or an everyday criminal decides that I or someone around me is going to be the victim of the criminal act that they are going to perform.

And don't even say "if your worried about self preservation then you need to move from were you live to a more civilized place" well guess what no matter where you live in this world there is evil, as long as evil exists you are not 100% safe.

[johnny_hustle]

Any one having a gun is a ready to use it, thus a potential killer.

Two can play at that.

Anyone having a knife is ready to use one. Thus a potential killer.
Anyone with lighter fluid and a match is ready to use them. Thus a potential killer.
Anyone with a blunt object like a hammer or a baseball bat is ready to use one. Thus a potential killer.
Anyone with hands and feets are ready to use them. Thus a potential killer. Just to let you know, more than 600 people each year is straight up murdered by the murderer using nothing but their own physical body parts like there fist and feet.

We're all technically potential killers based on this logic. Even you.

Guns can be used to murder in cold blood. Guns can also be used as protection against someone ready to do you harm. Especially for women it is the ultimate equalizer By equalizer I mean a woman can easily protect herself using a gun against a strong athletic male who is about to rape her. Outside of the gun range and hunting, most people who own guns never use them against another person. And they also hope that they never have too. A gun is nothing but a tool. How you use that tool is up to you.

[johnny_hustle]

their*

[SueShe]

@Ninakumarip
@MORPHEUS_12
@zagor
@berserk945
@abc--123

Thank you guys for the MHO. All of you made my day.

Happy shooting!

[Spiritwander]

Well, although I voted "No", I feel that I should clarify that...
I grew up with a sportsman father who hunted and fished all the time.
It taught me to respect the outdoors, and the skill of hunters.

That being said, I highly dislike guns. They're loud, stupid tools that are designed around the psychology of being " more powerful than nature"...

And I get it; I really do - it's a "chemical thing".

But if I were to hunt, I'd use a bow & arrows... (I'm not even keen on crossbows)
And if I'm going to war, I wouldn't risk my life using something that could jam, run out of ammo, or overheat.

[Anonymous]

I'd have no problem dating a girl that owns a gun legally. I also don't live in a big city and even though I technically live in city limits of a small city which most people refer to as a town as the city is literally surrounded by the township of the same name. So, most people here hunt or have family that hunt and dating someone that's completely against guns would be dating someone that's getting ready to move away to a big city. As I hate big cities and like open rural areas.. I'd have a hard time finding someone who is anti-gun.

[witherwing]

To own a gun they'd either have to have a job where it's required or hobby that includes shooting, neither of which seem like a good quality in a partner to me. I think we should feel the same way about guns. I know for a certain a gun enthusiast wouldn't want to date me either.

[bamesjond0069]

So would your ideal man hide in the closet with you when a robber breaks into your house or would he confront an armed intruder with a kitchen knife and get shot to death?

[TITAN-IDC]

She wears the pants.. No alpha men ready to protect his own, in her pad.. Lol..😊

[abc--123]

I think I speak for all gun owners when I say we don't want you either.

[SydneySentinel]

Yes, as long as it's registered and licensed to carry.

[Hannah591]

I can't see myself dating someone for a while, then dumping them immediately once I found out they had guns. But then again, there have been plenty of times when I should've dumped someone but I didn't.

If he has them purely out of interest and they don't actually work and he has no ammo, then it'd be fine. If he did have ammo and they worked and it was more just for the protection and the pleasure of shooting guns, I'd feel differently about it. I don't think I'd be pretty happy about it, just in case he's a nut-job and those guns turn towards me!

[FictionalCharacter]

Yes. I’m sure they use it for safety reasons and people do use them for hunting. I don’t compare people with other people. Yes, it is a weapon on how you use it. Just like knives 🔪 and chainsaws or any other dangerous object you need to handle with care.

[HereIbe]

Already did. It's no big deal, unless you're a worthless shitstain of a coward, of course.

Indeed, my wife tells me from time to time that we "need" to get some firearms. Meh. It's money out of my pocket for what? I don't hunt (no time, anymore). I don't have the training necessary to be some kind of Hollywood fake-ass "hero" if shooting happens. I'll probably break down some day and get a Judge or a Governor, just because it can carry both.45 Colt and.410 2.5". That way, if I miss with the Colt round, I can give whomever a face full of buck-and-ball (tri-ammo, they call it these days), instead.

[oneleggedwonder]

I carry a Glock 9 mm with me everywhere I go. The only time I will ever use it is to defend my life or the life of a fellow human being. Do not judge the gun, judge the person who owns the gun. If I am ever in a restaurant and some dip shit opens fire on everyone in the building, it is my hope that everyone in the restaurant is carrying a gun to put this evil bastard 6 foot under ground. Guns can be used for evil cause, but guns can also be used to end an evil cause as well.

[BobbyC65]

Yes Because I Am a Gun Owner. :)
38 special service revolver.

[selfdestruction]

Just one?

[BobbyC65]

@selfdestruction
I have rifle case under my bed with two pellet rifle's and a pellet gun and one rifle as a scope on it and it's dead on. I can place a washer on a bored and dead center with out hitting the washer. And I sited the scope my self.

[selfdestruction]

Are you American?

[BobbyC65]

@selfdestruction
born and raised in America. :)

[selfdestruction]

As am I. I have pellets guns. 30 cal. But they aren’t my defense weapons

[BobbyC65]

@selfdestruction
I still need to get a permit so I can carry it outside the house my 38 special service revolver.

[selfdestruction]

Yeah. I have my ccp. I carry at 10mm. A.45. Or my 9mm.

[BobbyC65]

@selfdestruction
Nice.

[selfdestruction]

Yeah. 10mm is my favorite. Is like having a light 357 mag in a semi auto frame.

[Dashee]

I am against guns and stuff but the pic made me laugh. Your shirt is ironic as hell.
I personally think guns are okay in a way as long as you don't use it for the wrong things. Unfortunately there are enough people out there who misuse guns and use them to do bad things, which is why I'm against it.

[selfdestruction]

Less than one percent of gun owners commit crimes

[kari0130]

Yeah I would why not. I want a gun personally. Plus there's also the thought of if they're gonna kill me they don't need a gun and if they want to kill me they also don't need a gun. I watch too much investigation discovery to think the only way they're gonna kill me is a gun.

[Daniela1982]

I own a couple of guns myself so would date another gun owner. We might even go out to the desert near Yucca Valley to do some target practice as a date.

[MannMitAntworten]

If memory serves there is a 700 yard range in the area. Correct?

[Daniela1982]

@MannMitAntworten Not sure, we just go out by Giant Rock and there is plenty of rocks as a back stop and no one is usually out there.

[MannMitAntworten]

Sweet deal. Granted I'd be leery of ricochets when using rock as a backstop.

[DizzyDesii]

Preferably not. I didn't even wanna date my ex and his knife collection. After having a gun and knife held against me, im even more against the two. I prefer my dude not need weapons. If for any reason he chooses to get a glock then it needs to be locked away safelt in a box. I just hope he doesn't go crazy one day and try to kill anyone with it

[DizzyDesii]

And im not a liberal

[TITAN-IDC]

Its ok to be safe considering what happened to you. Dont forget when you feel safe to give the approval.. To give it, some men on net die a hero protector.. Not all men become, loser rabid dogs.. Lol..

[daddyspanksurass]

It's not the guns that kill people.
It's the bullets. Make each bullet cost $5,000. People will never be able to afford mass shootings

[DizzyDesii]

@daddyspanksurass celebs will and theyre loose cannons... although theyre more likely to commit suicide than a shooting

[TITAN-IDC]

@dizzydesli Your not a ditzy chick thats for sure.. 😎👍

[Browneye57]

What a stupid question. Do you have ANY inkling of how many firearms there in the US?
This country was founded on the right to life, to be able to defend yourself from oppressors and attackers. Now you think there's something wrong with people if they own a firearm? You're not really THAT stupid, are you? Really?

[sawno]

It is unlikely, because the places where that is legal are very far away from me.
So it would either be a gun licensed family, a dismantled gun (Like the one i legally have in my room, its filled with led so no longer counts as a fire-arm but if i do get broken in would make a good melee weapon haha) or a girl living in another continent.

[simplyaramdomgirl]

I voted no, however it would depend. If it's part of their job (police, military, etc.) or "protection", then I wouldn't mind. If he's keeping them for fun I'd be pretty concerned. I don't think guns should be present unless they're truly needed. Maybe it's just me, but guns in most cases do more bad than good.

[Miristheiss]

Of course why not?
Am I too assume they are like the gang members who all have illegal guns and endlessly shoot up inner cities or one of the 4-5 pure evil crazies that go on a shooting rampage per year?

Millions and millions of gun owners am I suppose to assume they are from these evil groups?

[SjE78]

yes i would, i do not fear guns, guns on their own are merely tools... it is the people who go out and commit crimes which are the problem...
I would be more bothered about a crazy person with a pencil than a sane person carrying an assault rifle

[Bananaman177]

Any woman who doesn't carry a gun is a little girl. Any man without a gun is also a little girl.

[Shamalien]

This is one of those beautiful moments when I realize I'm on one of the most sane forums on the entire internet. I'd be curious to see a regional breakdown of users on this site compared to other popular social media sites. I'll just say one thing about guns

If you wanna have a family, and you don't get one and learn how to use it, you're not doing them justice.

[Elliegirl]

I married a guy who owns guns and I own some myself. Gun ownership is not a bad thing. Misuse of them is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Yes and no. I’m currently dating a guy who owns a gun, but I don’t like it. I didn’t find out about it until like a year into the relationship and I was already in love and invested. I’m very anti-gun. For the time being he keeps it locked away in his closet, but if we were to ever have children, I’d probably want to get rid of it.

[Alan97]

Yeah till somebody enters in your house trying to rob you or to rape you.

[Opinion Owner]

@Alan97 The whole good guy with a gun thing vs bad guy with a gun thing doesn’t really work. Most of the time people just end up shooting themselves with their own guns. Also I just don’t like the idea of having a gun in the house. I’ve seen what happens when deadly weapons are easily accessible. My aunt was held at gunpoint by the father of her children in their own home. My own step father has threatened to shoot my mother. I’ve lived my life just fine so far without a gun. I don’t want them near me, I don’t want them in my home, and I don’t want them around my future children because all they bring is harm and death.

[Alan97]

Hey if people want to kill, they are going to kill.

[ThisGuyDucks]

If you're threatened that your boyfriend would kill you or murder or hold you hostage, then you should leave him

He deserves someone better.

[Opinion Owner]

@Alan97 I’d prefer if he didn’t have a death machine in our home that would provide a super easy and convenient way to do it.

[Opinion Owner]

@ThisGuyDucks I’m not threatened by him. My mother didn’t feel threatened by my step father, and my aunt didn’t feel threatened by her boyfriend, but look what happened. I don’t like guns. I don’t want them around me. I don’t want them around my family.

[Alan97]

It is true but think about this, more people die in their bed or in their bathroom than by gunshot. It is just a matter of protection. You'll be just fine!

[Opinion Owner]

@Alan97 I’d rather not take that risk.

[ThisGuyDucks]

That's the point, you don't trust men with your life, you never know if your own boyfriend could kill, so it makes no sense for you to ever getting into a relationship with a man.

I don't get women, they say how men are dangerous, scary, murderers and yet they still willingly marry and date men, like what the fuck?

If that's how you feel about men then stay the fuck away from them, why would you risk getting murdered?

[purplepoppy]

If he owns them for sporting purposes yes. If he's a right wing nutter who thinks a gun makes him a big man and is scared to sleep without a gun by the bed then no.