I have a preference for both men and women so I'll speak on behalf of both.
If I'm going to take interest in a girl sexually, I prefer for them to be the embodiment of the stereotypical playboy bunny. Keep in mind this is only speaking SEXUALLY. This is because everything about them oozes sex appeal; the hair, the revealing clothes, the make up, the stupid laugh, the dumb personality, it's all for increasing sex appeal, and it works. But this is more like a "quick fix", to satisfy your sexual urges.
However, if I want to take interest in a girl for a more lengthy period of time, I would place much more emphasis on the importance for them to have a nice, genuine personality and their interlectual ability. But obviously, physical attraction still important, just to a lesser extent, and I would prefer for her to look more 'natural'.
In my experience, if I'm trying to attract a guy, and the first thing I do is start with a conversation about theology or literature, it's probably going to turn him off and it doesn't matter what you look like. This doesn't just apply for douche bags, even nice guys will probably get turned off. BUT if I act a little 'bubbly' and have a conversation about something stuipd, his interest is more likely to be maintained. My theory is that this is due to 'protective instincts' in males. When a girl is acting 'sweet' and 'bubbly' she may seem a little naive, and most men feel the need to 'protect them' and this gives them an emotional boner. When a guy approaches a girl and she's emitts her sense of 'independence' too strong, the guy probably feels intimidated, and would probably lose wood.
It all depends on what you want though. If you want to just get hit on constantly, then you're probably going to have to emit a more 'sexal' vibe; Work out, do your hair/make up, select sexier clothes, cause honestly, men (or women who like women) don't go around looking at girls and saying "DAAAAAAAAYUM SHE MUST HAVE A REALLY GOO PERSONALITY!". BUT If you want nice guys to like you, then it's probably better to stay genuine, smart and natural looking, and hang out with the intellectuals.
Sorry if this offended anyone, it's for slightly satirical purpose.
Hope that helped ;)
I get the same feeling sometimes, so I think I got the idea of your question and maybe you are right, I've seen some REALLY dumb girls in my life that fit your description, that I just wan't to toss a bootle at .while listening to them talk.
I'm not saying that make-up is the indicator of a girl being dumb, not at all. But I have seen some sluty, dumb girls that wear a lot of make-up and have absolutly no language culture at all.
I really feel sorry for them, especially when they get drunk, or get hooked up with some guy who just wants to get inside her (sorry for this description) and who I am ceratin isn't going to call her after this night, they get so pathetic to look at...Anyway...
I've met guys that had f****ed some of these woman or have dated them and trust me when I say - they don't practically/ actually date them, at least not for long if they have a healthy self - esteem.
A person sooner or later is bound to realize that he is sitting near a person he has nothing to talk about or that can't actually be evolved in civilized conversations.
People grow up/ out of it and if they don't well...let's just say there will always be people who woun't like you at all, some of them might even hate you, but I guess then you will have to hang out with people who will like you and love you for who you are. Those aren't just empty words.
It is so silly of you to think that you actually want attention from such people, and that being a "plain jane" (I don't really believe in such titles) is going to ruin your chances of being happy one day with the most perfect guy for you.
I can't even tell you how wrong you are at this point.
You seem like a smart girl so why is this attention so important to you?Have you thought about that?I mean REALLY thought about that?
I just answered a similar question a guy asked about nice guys finishing last. This is basically the same concept. The guy doesn't want a DUMB girl. He wants an easy-going girl.
Problem is, the slutty girls basically advertise their availability and willingness to ... earn a little more experience. The guys are attracted to them physically, but it fizzles out rather quickly; the association is based only on physical attraction and the novelty of being with that girl fades as a new girl pops into the guy's field of vision. In this case, the jar on the shelf is REALLY pretty, but the jar's empty.
Meanwhile, Plain Jane takes it to the other extreme and does nothing to visually entice the guy. In this case, the contents of the jar is sumptuous, but the packaging is not enticing enough to get the product moving, so it sits on the shelf...
There's nothing WRONG with smart girls, but you have to understand that guys are primarily visual creatures. They want the catchy advert. The step after that is "getting to know you" and "getting to understand how you feel" which takes about six month's time all together.
What comes first is the initial instinct to raise their eyebrows and smile at something/someone they find attractive. If they like what they see, they'll approach you for even the silliest thing and start getting to know you.
I don't think those girls getting hit on has anything to do with them being dumb, and being dumb doesn't have anything to do with makeup. It's probably because they're good looking and/or easy. The "plain Janes" probably aren't getting hit on because they look, well, plain.
I think you'll find more guys who appreciate your personality and intelligence as you get older. Personally, intelligence is important to me, but only up to a certain point. I don't care if a girl makes a 1600 on her SAT or has a genius IQ . The only thing I consider important about a girl's intelligence is the way it affects her decision making (can she think logically/reasonably?), her personality (is she able to follow me in conversations pretty well? can we have intelligent conversations? do I often have to explain things repeatedly?), and her sense of humor. It's fine if she has a photographic memory - it's just that it won't matter at all in a relationship. I don't mind if a girl is smarter than me, but it would probably be a little discouraging to date somebody A LOT smarter than me (enough to where there's a noticeable gap).
From a sex perspective, consciously and unsconciously we go for the ones who we think we can dazzle and seduce with ease. I know more often than not I find myself talking to people I think are total idiots. My conscious reason is that their un-intelligence makes me feel smarter and I'll be able to help them become a better person as well as help myself as well by fulfilling my own needs. As I examine though I think subconsciously or else very well hidden it's because I think they will be easy to get (silly considering I have no track record)
The smart ones, the ones with character I believe though are hesitated on. I know Right now I have a huge crush on this debate student in a speech class I'm in and I'm actually asking advise for exactly how I should handle the situation since this girl is my definition for the difference between love, and friendship.
Your hit on less because your not an easy target. The majority of those who will pursue you are after you for what's in your head not on your chest
Recently I've been attacked for introducing a little logic to the straight male bashing threads. I recently lost a friend to a militant feminist Lesbian and it bothered me she won by screaming gibberish and stating that all men are egotistical. Needless to say I'm a little too sensitive to expose my posting name since I use it in all my forums
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Simple answer: guys are visually stimulated. The vast majority of my male friends do not like a lot of make-up and have not dated any of those infamous clown-face girls. However, we can't pretend that there is no middle ground in this. Those girls who want attention get attention. Whether they do it by wearing lots of make up, dressing provocatively, expensive labels, or making their hair styles some crazy complicated process... they're doing what it takes to get noticed. While some guys don't understand the insane amount of work they put in, they do notice that work was indeed put into the look. SHE'S TRYING.
If you're not trying, you may not want to be approached because you're either depressed, awkward, or already married. Girls who attempt to be visually stimulating quite obviously want the attention.
The other factors are social pressures and the presumed reputation of the girl who tries too hard. Yup, some guys go for what's easy/easier. For others, they're concerned about what their friends will say. The girl that their friends want but can't have vs the girl their friends have never noticed.
Whoever stated that too much make up (and stupidity) is the mecca of femininity is not only mislead, but quite obviously a clown face. The truth is, pretty girls don't need tons of make up to make themselves attractive. When men watch, smile and try to chat with you WITHOUT makeup or some complicated getup, that's when you know you're pretty.
If you're never approached, it's usually because you don't seem approachable. It's rarely an issue of actual beauty or femininity, as I've seen guys hit on plenty of loud, dog-face women. It has more to do with the signals you're putting out there than the way you look or your intellect.
so true. Very good to be true. I think confidence and personality is the key too. I think it's OK to wear minimum make-up like eye mascara and lipgloss and that's about it. Cause I think natural beauty is the key to attract men.
i love makeup. lol
I really can't stand girls who are so insecure that they have to bash other girls. Stop comparing yourself to other people. Yes, some people like those of us who are "dumb" and love makeup. (The correlation is so obvious, I agree.) We're awesome. This is a fact of life that you'll have to get used to and stop bitching about. Your question shouldn't have anything to do with us. This method of comparing absolutes, and trying to stain the image of someone who is your antithesis is a clear sign of jealousy, weakness, and insecurity. I don't mean to be the one who calls you out, but you could have asked this a different way, without claiming that being smart is your handicap, then going on about how you're a boring plain jane. You don't have to fit a mold, you know. You could try not be a boring waste of oxygen AND being intelligent. Revolutionary concept, I know. The times, dear, the times.
OR you could just be happy with who you are. The kind of happiness that doesn't require you compare yourself to others and make ridiculous assumptions. There are tons of nerdy guys, all kinds of guys, who favor a girl who wears little to no makeup and fits the mold of a "plain jane" if need be. Try looking for guys in different places, online dating, etc.
And there isn't really anything especially wrong with being "dumb". I know to you we may just be "dummies" wearing makeup, but has it ever occurred to you that many of us may be kind, caring, funny, and great company for the guys who like us? Have you ever thought that life and the quality of character and personality transcend silly opinions on makeup and sometimes even mental aptitude?
But what do I know? I'm just some dumb girl who's permanently attached to her mirror. Speaking of, I need to go powder my nose bitch. Bye.
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So you're admitting you're dumb? I don't think she meant girls who care about their appearances are dumb. And there is something wrong about being dumb.It makes you boring and futureless.
Well, if she's as smart as she claims to be, she would know how to word a f***ing question, right? Assuming that she, one of the smartest girls in the universe that is suffering oh so much, would understand that, I can only assume that she meant what she wrote and how she wrote it. I don't think being dumb makes you boring and futureless though. If anything a lot of self-labelled "smart girls" are incredibly boring.
And sure, if someone wants to assume I'm dumb for whatever reason, then just let me be dumb. I'm not going to try to prove sh*t to anyone. Just don't talk to me and we both win. That's how I see it. Easy Peasy.
That is so rude. LoL. I think of those that are attached to their mirror must be obssed with themselves and the mirror. Girl you got a huge problem issue. You need to see a psychologist ! cause guys aren't attach to girls that love looking at themselves reflection 24/7. I think it's unattractive. Your saying her question could be because of jealousy? I strongly reccommend this question is a suggestion what guys think of their oppinion. And it seems like most of them commented smart girls. I thil
You're entitled to your opinion, as am I. This was my opinion. I'm not the one who has ever had problems getting guys to be interested in me, so I hope you don't mind if I continue to do me and be myself, regardless of what you think about it. Cheers.
Ooooh, I get what you're saying now, cause she's associating girls who love makeup with being dumb, sorry, I didn't get it when I first read it:O
Just because a girl wears a lot of make-up doesn't necessarily mean she's dumb. Of coarse, by stereotyping terms you could assume that but appearances don't make or break who someone is. Yeah, a lot of guys date "dumb" girls but you don't notice when guys date normal girls because they don't draw as much attention to themselves. "Plain Jane's" get hit on less because by not caring about their appearance, it looks like they don't care about themselves. They roll out of bed and wear whatever they pull out first. Guy's like girls who take care of themselves and look like they put in just a smudge of effort into their looks. You don't have to wear make-up to look good but wearing flatter-figuring clothes and styling your hair can make you all the more attractive there's nothing wrong with caring about your looks. Plain doesn't always equate to "smart" and well-kept doesn't always equate to "dumb". Even so, why would you want a guy who only goes for dumb girls? Wouldn't that just be a waste of your time?
I have never seen being intelligent and being hit on as having a correlation. I am intelligent and get hit on. Guys can easily disregard your intelligence or pretty much anything you have to say if all they see you as is a potential sex partner. In fact, they may have had almost no conversation with you so they are very unlikely to have a clue how intelligent you are.
As far as looks and intelligence, you can be attractive and smart. These qualities are not mutually exclusive. I also have not seen being a plain Jane as a big problem either. In fact, in my opinion those that look like the girl next door have a better chance at getting a boyfriend rather than a bunch of wolf whistles that amount to nothing.
What I have found influences male attention most is whether you are friendly and approachable. You can be a beauty but an ice princess and think your beauty intimidates men. Or you can be a plain Jane and shy and blame it on your looks too. However, the true culprit will be the fact you are leaving it up to the guy to approach someone who looks like they cannot be bothered to give them the time of day, and that right there is just a little too much to expect anyone to have the guts or interest to do.
Maybe it's just the guys I know, but from what most of them say- they dumb girls might be fine for a limited period of time, but they can't stand them for long. My brothers hate even being around unintelligent women and my best guy friend always dates smart girls. I think it's a preference thing- I suppose some guys enjoy smart women and some would rather have dumb ones, just like some women want smart guys and some don't.
The bottom line is- there's no one "type" of ideal woman out there because what men want varies so much, so why worry about it? I've always considered myself reasonably intelligent and it has always made me sad to see so many women who are just as or more intelligent than me hiding it to attract men. Maybe it's because I grew up around a father and brothers who always appreciated, encouraged, and took pride in my intelligence (more so than I did at times lol), but I say to hell with anyone who dislikes you for your intelligence or even lack thereof. The real unintelligence is hiding who you are- to Hell with it, be proud of who and what you are, why would you ever want to settle for someone who undervalues you anyway?
make up doesn't mean dumb, I attend an ivy league school (i'd like to say that puts me outside of the dumb category) and there are plenty of girls wearing makeup and I myself am one of them. I appreciate looking good, and if makeup can highlight some features I appreciate about myself, I'm going to use it. that being said, guys appreciate it, too. I'm not saying you have to look like you're entering a beauty pageant to get guys, but I am saying that if you're plain jane, it looks like you don't care about how you look, and then why should guys take the time to notice you? I agree that ditzy/dumb girls who cake on makeup get hit on a lot, but that's getting hit on. would you rather get hit on or be in a lasting relationship? I have a boyfriend, he loves that I wear makeup to accent my features, not to cover them up, and he loves that I can actually have a conversation with him as opposed to giggling senselessly over the real world or jersey shore or something of that sort.
nothing's wrong with smart girls, but plain jane is, well, boring.
I'm a smart girl myself - so I think I know just what you mean. You see, I don't think it's that there aren't guys who like smart girls. In fact, I think guys prefer them. However, I also think a lot of guys are lazy and a little stupid themselves. Think of all of us girls like apples on a tree. All of the smart girls are near the top of the tree, waiting for Mr. Right. All the dumb girls and the (excuse my language) whores, are on the bottom of the tree (if not on the ground, rotting). Guys are lazy sometimes: so they grab the apples at the bottom, because they are what is convenient. No one has shown them yet that the good apples - the ones far better, sweeter and more valuable - are up higher, and that while they might have to work harder to get them, they are the only apples worth while. So you (and I!) may have to wait awhile for a guy to come along who's smart (or tall! haha) enough to reach up a little higher, but one day they'll get sick from all those bad apples at the bottom of the tree, and they'll come looking for the good ones up top!
"Plain Janes" do not get hit on because they do not stand out in any way. The stupid girls you speak of tend to flirt, look good, and put out quickly. Smart girls that are outgoing and good looking get hit on all the time. Girls that do nothing to stand out do not get as much attention, regardless of their intellect.
Guys love smart girls, but not boring ones.
Finally a comment that's honest.
Exactly it's just as much about actions as it is presentation
C'mon, use your noggin! Guys aren't lookin for math tutors, or debate partners, they're looking for amazon babes who make em wanna fall in love and have round-the-clock sex. I mean, who wants to married to someone they can't outsmart? Give us miles of breasts and booty's sitting atop an empty head!
Nice try Lime-O! I was facetiously referring to the general male population in my post; however, my personal standards are the very highest. I could of course delete your igorant, racist comment as I'm a moderator, but I prefer to let it stand (although someone else may delete it, though I hope not) as I think bigots such as yourself should be identified for what they are, and I'm opposed to censorship. I must say, you celebrate your ignorance as though it were a virtue.
I LOL'd so much, Palek
I love smart women. I especially like slightly geeky women (gamers, etc). But - only if they don't act condescending or rude about it; if they treat me as an idiot, or try to "hide" me, I really hate it. Otherwise, it's great. The woman I'm interested in has a Master's. The last woman I was interested in was going for a PhD.
Not to sound "elitist" - I've dated girls who haven't had great degrees; Let's just say it hasn't worked out - not due to their degrees, or how much they played, say, Chess, but how they were as people. I don't refuse to date girls who aren't highly intelligent and or creative, but I just tend to gravitate towards the ones that have a geeky sense of humor, or will watch Star Trek with me.
I suppose it's my world (most of my friends have several degrees each); my friends are a bit geeky, I am, too... so it would make sense that I would tend to go for women that when I blow in gently in their ear, I don't get a whistling sound.
Dumb girls p*ss me off. Girls that seem to prioritise fashion, make up and celebrity gossip, they p*ss me off. Also girls that aren't open minded, in terms of film and music. Like the ones who just like the same music as all their friends and are completely ignorant to classic music, not knowing anything beyond the modern tripe.
For me, girls should care a lot about other people, real people, people who are ridiculously unfortunate, and should appreciate how fortunate us first worlders are, but that goes for anyone really. I like somebody that has emotional intelligence, and really cares about the people of the world and the events of the world.
This is one sad truth I am going to partially confirm.
Dumb girls can be comforting to guys. They seem likely to be easier and just as importantly they are non-threatening. A dumb girl will not plot for ways to manipulate and control you. She will just want to be shown a good time and have good sex. There is a certain appeal there. Especially when one is younger, and less serious about relationships.
But don't dumb yourself down just yet.
Your question way over-simplifies this. The smart girl does not have to be the "plain-jane." Whoever said if you were smart you had to be plain? If you think the guys aren't into you (and you want them to be) then glam yourself up a bit.
Guys care about LOOKS, more than anything else. how hot a girl is is WAY more important than how smart she is (at least in high school, lol)
Besides, do you really think you'd be happy in a relationship with a guy who only likes dumb girls? Is that really what you want?
Hmm, I'd say, odd say of guys you have around ya, or it could be that you're just misinterpreting things. I love smart girls, the ones you can talk to for hours about philosophy or medical science. I think the problem is, is that smart girls don't take care of themselves as much as they could. Guys judge by appearances first and always, that's how it is, too much makeup is better than no makeup at all. The plain janes are just that, plain, but they can easily become exciting... you know... by dressing differently, showing their curves and all, maybe dye your hair a weird color. They stand out from the crowd and so they get noticed first, that's all. Dummies are good for a quick fling but in the long run smart plain janes make the best relationships :)
The answer is in your question. "Its never the smart plain janes that get hit on always the dummie?" Look at the fifth and sixth words in that sentence. Men (and women for that matter) hit on people they find attractive because it is difficult to judge someones intelligence off looks alone. Your question is rather offensive as it is insinuating that women can not be both intelligent and beautiful and you ended up coming across as bitter and jealous of women you deem more attractive than yourself. You also made a huge generalization of the male population. Yes men want someone they find attractive but do you honestly think that don't want a girl with substance.
It may seem that way and for some guys this is true BUT eventually guys admit (at least the ones I've spoken to) that they get tired of "dumb" girls after a certain point. I can understand the appeal, but eventually it seems that substance wins over in the end.
Also I think that many girls consider themselves to be "plain janes", but in actuality they are probably more attractive than they realize. It just sometimes hard to see this fact when there are girls out there who go over the top just to stand out in the crowd. At least that's the way I see it.
Nothing at all wrong with smart girls. I'd say that 99% of guys are bigger fans of smart girls than dumb girls. But it takes a bit of time to figure out how smart anyone is.
What you're observing isn't that guys dislike smart girls. Because they don't. What you ARE seeing is that guys like attractive girls. That's what first draws us in. So attractive girls get a lot more attention than less attractive ones. That doesn't mean that they make better girlfriends, just that guys tend to talk to them first.
Smart IS sexy. We just can't see it right away.
I'll admit, I'm not that smart of a girl, I get a lot of compliments for being pretty but that's with makeup on. Guys don't take the time to get to know girls unless they are "hot". I think every girl should stop wearing make up (even though I'm addicted to it) and that way guys have no choice but to fall in love with a girl for who they really are. I love this question even though I'm one of those girls who are dumb and wear makeup but for you to reach out and post this, it's inspiring :) You go girl! And I see a lot of girls w/out make up on and WISH I could be one of those who don't need it. Stay Beautiful and True girl! <3
Well, no. I don't wear any make-up and I'm smart. I think that's just a stereotype people use to blame guys when they fall for others. Body definitely counts, but when it comes down to it, prettiness actually doesn't. I know this guy who cheated on his girlfriend of 2 years, for some big-boobed girl who wasn't even pretty.
Dummies just are easy. It's the sad truth. Smart people will only go with you if they really trust you and know you, and like you. They find it either too emotionally attaching, to hard, or don't want to get hurt.
WELL I HAVE TO DISAGREE, I CAN DRESS IT UP OR DRESS IT DOWN, WEAR LOTS OF MAKE UP AND THEN GO NATURAL, AND IM VERY SMART, NOT A DUMMY, AND EITHER WAY IVE BEEN HID ON WITH MY PRETTY PUMPS AND MAKE UP OR MY SIMPLE JANES DOING THE NATURAL LOOK. APPEARANCE PLAYS A BIG PART ON CATCHING AN EYE FROM SOMEONE PLUS YOUR CONFIDENT AND CONFIDENCE IS A SEXY THING, MAKING YOU WHO YOU WANT TO BE AND NOT HIDE. SO YES SOMETIMES THE LESS IS MORE IS ACTUALLY MORE AND NO THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A SMART GIRL WANTING TO LOOK PRETTY AND GRABBING ATTENTION. BESIDES GUYS SLEEP WITH THE "DUMMIES" AND MARRY THE "SMART ONES" BUT ITS A PLUS FOR THE BOTH OF YOU IF YOU WEAR YOUR CONFIDENCE WELL AND GIRLY, VIS VERSA WITH A GUY ON APPEARANCE :) :) :)
I've answered a similar question like this. It depends of the guy.
Guys like myself, who were blessed with a brain, like nerdy, quirky females. We may glance at the dumb and pretty ones, but we'll walk right past them if we see a girl with glasses playing dance-dance revolution in an arcade (really happened).
Shallow spineless pretty boys like only the overly-sexed women with no brains. Women with brains are too smart to date them.
A guy who falls in the middle will alternate. He'll bypass the pretty one if she turns him down and go after the smart girl if she's fairly cute.
So really, it's a 50/50 split on the preference of women if you average all the types of guys. If you like smart guys, you should have no problem getting them to notice you.
For a real relationship guys wouldn't go for the dumb girls but for the smart ones, a girl they can talk to, who can be there for them, you know a girl with whom they can have an interesting conversation. But dumb girls are easy, they can hit on them, sleep with them and tell them to f**k off.. but you can't judge a book from it's cover and some girl that appear to be dumb and so fake are actually really smart, they might just think that lots of make up is nice when it's not.
Girls can be both pretty and smart. and lots of guys go for those. maybe you're just surrounded with guys who just wanna get laid and they give that impression.
define dumb? I see what your talking about in my girlfreinds all the time, girl's who put in an effort tend to look better there for get noticed, but they also seem like more fun to be around. If you wear makeup and laugh because your actually having fun then ofcorse you are going to attract a guy. over a girl, who looks plain sits in the corner and eye's all the " dumb girls" who are getting chatted up because they are having fun wheither or not boy's are paying attention to them is a bonus ! it's as much about looks as it is about how you act would you be attracted to a guy who wasn't having fun at a party and was sitting quietly being arrogant and anti social why even come.
It's a suprise to me that a lot of guys comments that I have just read tends to go for the smart girls. But in reality are they just saying it or not. Lets put it this way I'm 17 finish year 12 I always think young guys go for the dumb girls because at school most of those that were in a relationships were the dumb show off female and male. I'm a female and I like guys that are smart. I'm not expecting them to be perfect but has got the brains to think, talk, and work. It just depends what are you trying to say the difference between dumb and smart girls? some smart girls can be pretty too. Usually I think of the smart people attractive than the dumb ones.
And another thing is I think girls that put a lot of make-up aren't attractive because they're just fake because they look different under neath the cosmetic on their face skin.
1. Common Sense is a must. As far as intellagence goes that can be interpreted very differantly depending on the person. Nobody wants to consider themselvs dumb.
2. Looks. If we are not physical attracted to you then we probably won't make a move. Its not that we aren't trying to be difficult but I would also expect the same thing from women. Obviously a women who is looking for a guy that looks like Johnny Deep would be pretty dissapointed if I approached them lol. But I would say most men aren't looking for a model or anything like that.
3. Personality is the biggest factor with picking someone. Obviously if you don't get along with the person or can't speak to them there is going to be very little interest unless they just enjoy awkward moments.
Just because a girl is smart doesn't mean she has to be a plain or stupid? That's stereotyping I know a lot of girls that are extremely beautiful and do wear make up and dress very stylish whom are extremely intelligent and have bachelor degrees! And not all unattractive girls have to be intellectual! You're obviously very shallow.
that's true.
Umm, some girls like myself like makeup because I'm feminine, a trait I'm very proud of & just because she "wears makeup like there's no tomorrow" in no way means that she is dumb. I am actually very smart. Haha. You sound a little cocky with your brains. Well, some men are atracted to feminine women who take care of themselves & actually feel special when you get cute for them. A girl with good looks & good brains is the best so I've heard. & I have days I do go more natural by the way, just it really sounds like you're stereotyping & I don't appreciate it. Don't hate on a girl & call her dumb just because she likes to look & feel good. UGGGG.
Personally, I prefer smart girls, because I hate having conversations with people that don't understand what I'm talking about. Haha! That said, I assume guys go for the "dumb" ones (assuming they aren't just pretending to be dumb: I've seen that before), because they're afraid that a smart girl will "see through them" and realize they aren't that great, after all. No guy wants to worry that his girlfriend is going to wake up one day and realize he's a loser and dump him! So, I assume that the ones who go for "dumb" girls are probably insecure and believe that only "dumb" girls would be interested in them for very long.
You already stated why in your question. "plain janes". Plain is boring. Why would anyone want to settle for plain jane? Just because you're not a model doesn't mean you have to be content that who you are should be enough. Everyone can improve their personality no matter how they look and personality is always the bigger deal breaker for me. The pretty smile only gets you a foot in the door, its your brain that gets you through.
ummm... best answer right here!
ya, I agree! best answer! ha ha :P
Smart , free spirited, and just naive enough to be cute, and so that I don't have to have a fifteen hour intellectual debate about modernism and women's rights, when I am trying to just be the knight in shining armor and protect her from some of the evils in this world...
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I don't know any guy that wants a dumb girl, unless they're trying to trick them into sleeping with them. The guys that say they prefer dumb girls are doing so because they themselves lack many desirable qualities and girls with lower intelligence are less likely to notice this or care. Also, there is no correlation between good looks and intelligence.
Um... They sort of do. People who are highly intelligent tend to literally forget about their looks because they have more important things to think about such as solving a jet propulsion problem or curing cancer. People who are average or slightly above average intelligence tend to care more about their looks than the really smart ones. So, yes, there is a threshold. A woman may use makeup and still be above average in intellegence, but when her IQ hits a certain point, she doesn't care.
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the "dumb girls" that you hate on, happen to be pretty which is what guys like. a lot of so-called "smart girls" are boring, don't know how to flirt, and don't present themselves in an attractive and feminine manner which is why they are continually overlooked by guys.
That's not the totally honest truth. You have to remember that some men like dumb women because they don't want a challenge and believe any woman who is so insecure as to wear 5 pounds of make up in order to buy one carton of milk, and who is always provocatively dressed (for instance), is actually "on the prowl". That's the girl who is looking for attention, and so she gets it. Yes, there is some truth to what you've said, but you skipped over a very important part.
I guess someone is "pro-dumb"?
it's obvious QA is implying that girls who get male attention are dumb, and that men don't go for smart girls which is a lie. men first go for looks but most women in serious relationships aren't bimbos. QA is just jealous and I'm trying to let her know that putting effort into looking nice and knowing how to talk to guys you're interested in is a lot more important to guys than being super brainy. also one can actually be pretty AND smart! (shocker)
look I don't think it matters whether your dumb or smart because beauty comes from who you truly are.
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Your judging all guys with that statement. Those of us with high intelligence actively seek out smart women. Unfortunately, there is not visual way to judge intelligence other than a girl looking like a Daphne. If I could see the intelligence of a woman, then I might chose more 7's instead of 4's. Until a woman forgets to take of her eye goggles after coming from the lab, I can't tell if she's smart of not if she's all tricked out.
Guys do not just go out with girls like that. I think any girl who says "All guys always go out with girls who are dumb and wear a lot of make up" is just using that as an exscuse for why guys aren't going out with her. Don't be jealous of other girls who are more successful when it comes to guys than you are. Is that really their fault?
I get hit on by guys all the time and I don't wear a ton of makeup and I am not dumb at all.
Plain Janes are boring. Nothing about them stands out or looks interesting.
why does smart have to go with plain jane, my girlfriend is the smartest girl that I have ever had the pleasure to date , atlest she is smarter than me (and I'm abit of a nerd) but she still always dresses up nice wears cute dresses with her hair done, her jewlery on, and just a touch of make up to bring out her eyes. Just because a girl cares about how she looks dosnt make her stupis and not all smart girls look like tomboys
I don't think that's right - my girlfriend is witty, funny, has her BA, and is super intellectual. Also she manages to be all of that while being super attractive, so, maybe I just got lucky? But that's the type of girl I'm into - a real Renaissance girl.
Body Language: The "dumb" girl you're referring to is also saying "I'm available!", the smart girl you're referring to tends to be a reclusive type of person in general ( thus the stereotypes ) and seem to be more focused on other things. Because people can't read minds and the brain subconsciously reads these signals you have your phenomenon. You know, you being smart, you should have looked this up as it's not a rare or even unexplained, "difficult" happenstance.
Agreed- the "dumb" girls are the ones more will to cater to a mans wants and needs. In high school it was always my friends who had boyfriends because they would do what he wanted and just fawn over them
Relying on body language is for simian imbeciles that haven't evolved. Body language can be easily faked, real confidence cannot be faked.
Clearly you're ignorant on the subject. I bet you think that you can easily fake a polygraph too, huh?
it depends what guys want, smart nice girl is for long term.
pretty dumb chick is for fling.
After all, if you truly fall in love with someone, basically you are blinded.
He/she(partner) look pretty, handsome to you regardless of others' opinion.
Then, who would choose dumb over smart
I freaking HATE dumb girls, with a muther effing PASSION. can't hold a DAMN conversation with them, they agree with everything you say because they have nothing in those feeble brains of theirs, and they almost ALWAYS look like they are trying to be the hottest thing in town. GTF over yourself bitch, know what I'm saying?!?!
lol rant done. Smart, intelligent, educated girls for the freaking win.
LOL My boyfriend keeps telling me stories about his exes *I just graduated college with a 3.6 GPA and I'm going back for my Masters, so I'm the smartest he's dated I think* One chick was grocery shopping with him and picked up orange juice which said "no pulp" and she thought the pulp was the sound the OJ made coming out of the carton and into the glass...LOL
Some of us prefer the smart girls. Who don't wear too much makeup.
Just be approachable and friendly. You look very pretty as far as I'm concerned. That's not the problem. Be positive. Body language and attitude mean a lot. I don't want to ask you out if it looks like I'm gonna get shot down.
Maybe some guys feel intimidated by a smart women and would rather their women be dependent on them? But I think most guys would want a girl who shows a good amount of intelligence.
intelligence is very appealing on a girl-but not mandatory. plus I disagree with your statement. I've known a fair amount of very hot girls who were super smart and very unappealing unintelligent girls. so in general though I know what your talkin about. your fine the way you r...and if your smart then use that. seems you have looks and intelligence so your ok--dont be dumb though to get any guy.
honey, I hate to say it but that is because those girls are usually the ones who put out. However, they don't usually marrying those type of girls. Usually guys will look for the smart nice girl when they're ready to settle down. It's sad, but that's just the it is sometimes. Don't give up, be proud of who you are and work on yourself, everything else should fall into place eventually if you do that. It might be a long time, but you'll be happier later.
Wearing makeup actually isn't a sign of stupidity,girls who know how to make themselves desirable to others are smarter than those ''plain janes'',plain janes complain about guys not liking them,and those girls you consider stupid get men,attraction is an art,and knowing how to attract people is a good thing,it's just that those plain janes THINK that they're smarter,when in fact,they're ignorant and judge others based on stereotypes
i HAAAAAATE when people assume that in order to be smart, you are a plain jane too. makeup has nothing to do with intelligence. I wear makeup. in fact I LOVE makeup, and I do it for all my friends as well. and guess what, I have a 4.0 gpa. so these generalizations are ridiculous.
if you are asking "why do guys go for dumb girls" you should have just said that. makeup is not a factor.
It's an equation men tend to follow. More Makeup = Dumb and Easy. Less Makeup = Smart and Cold
It's probably not entirely correct, but its the formula men have come to count on for generations that has worked in their favor. It may seem stereotypical, but its the only outward sign men have to go by.
yeah a lot of makeup can make you look stupid. but what about just a girl who wears SOME makeup, and just tries to look nice? not every girl who wears makeup looks like that, its all in degrees. its stupid to assume that all makeup= dumb and no makeup= smart. there is a middle ground there is being ruled out.
No, not even close. Obviously there has to be some level of attraction, but if the girl is just plain dumb and only a body then it's a pretty pointless relationship unless she is just a f**k buddy. Smart girls, or cultured girls are pretty much the ideal for a relationship. If I can't talk to her properly, it's as good as done.
Hell no. Not for me, has to be smart or it's never gonna be nothing but a physical relationship. Never been with a dumb girl. Never will. My fiancé speaks 2 languages and takes 20+ credits a semester @ marquette You in Milwaukee. Smart girls keep it up, we need more like u.
lol Dumb or Stupid?
Anyways...Makeup doesn't determine if a woman is stupid...and plane-janes could be stupid too.
And some smart girls could be boring...and some stupid girls can be fun and free...Some stupid girls could just be useless. And some smart girls can be exciting...
But most guys don't pick idiots for thier wives...they pick idiots as thier hook-ups.
I dumped a girl once because I realized she wasn't smart enough. I wasn't an ass about it, but it was just kinda tough to carry on a conversation, so I did what I had to do. Intelligence really has nothing to do with who gets hit on. The attractive ones get hit on. It's tough to gauge how smart a girl is (unless they are on either of the extreme ends of the spectrum) before you start spending lots of time with them.
Why can't the smart girls doll themselves up? Because its so superficial?
Attraction is superficial. You look good, we get talking, then I find out your intelligent. Wow. You got me interested.
I think guys like intelligence but they like a chick who is also pleasing on the eye. You can be pretty and intelligent at the same time lolz. Who said make up=stupidity anyway?
Guys want to date the girls with loads of make up on and marry the smart ones...but she's still got to look a little pretty :)
just because a girl is smart doesn't mean she is a "plain jane." there are plenty of smart girls out there who are naturally beautiful and who enhance their beauty through makeup. not every girl who wears make up is ditzy and not every girl who is a plain jane is smart. I know plenty of smart girls who get hit on all the time (:
Smart girls tend to be more confrontational or threatening to the male ego where as "dumb" girls put their bodies out there more and are more sleazy. the only reasons I know of that guys don't go for smart girls is cause they are harder to get in bed or at east close to it, bruise a man ego, smart girls seem to only want long term relationships and smart girls usually don't throw themselves at anything with a penis...hahaha :P
dumb girls are for time pass
smart girls are for a long run
i would date a dumb girl if I m not a bit serious in the relationship and I want her to be too dumb to figure it out
but for a long term relationship I want a girl who is smart
with whome I can share my opinions and have meaningful conversations
easy cause dumb girls are smart enough that looks actually matter to guys
i love smart girls that's why I purposly went to one of the best school in the state to meet a smart girl who is SMART enough to embrace their beauty instead of thinking it was dumb to care about their apperance
my best girlfriedns the ones I loved were extrremely intellegent
-future lawyer
-future vet
-ones even gonna be a brain surgeon(no lie its been her dream since she was like 9)
but they all look good :D
I agree and I don't understand it, but then again it is not like the nice guys are going after girls like that. Usually jerks that only have one thing in mind go after girls like that, maybe intimidated by a girl with brains. I know there are plenty of nice guys (usually shy) that would prefer a smart,classy girl.
Dumb girls get hit on by hot guys because they are mark as an easy lay. And most guys want to put in as little effort as possible to get laid. Personally I can't stand dumb girls. I don't know how these women can function in society let alone get through high school. Huge turn on for me is someone that can hold an intelligent conversation. Only exception is the girl that thinks she is so smart she knows everything and can never admit when they are wrong.
That is not always the case. I am female and I am shy. I get hit on more when I don't have make up. I am in college but I am definitely working to improve my skills daily. I want to follow my dream. I attract more guys when I am focus on something else.
The girls you're referring to get hit on until the guy sleeps with them. If you want that, change who you are so you can be slept with and tossed aside.
If you don't want that, stick to who you are and be patient until the good guy who wants *you*, and for more than a fling, comes along.
Im not like that I hate to much makeup and I need some one to talk to not just a girl who will grind with me at the club. Lots of guys I know are like me but the guys that do that are just looking for some one kinda easy and that stuff^ is a pretty good indacator. (I know my spelling sucks) You'll meet some one :) I'm sure of it!
I can't handle dumb people in general, especially can't handle my singnificant other being totally dumb. I had a girlfriend ask me if the grand canyon was made and I had to try my hardest not to vomit. Guys probably date dumb girls to mask their own dumbness
it depends on the guy but I think most guys are almost afraid of a smart girl. real men can handle real women and insecure men usually go for the dumb girls because they won't call them out or upset their manhood. its best to be cute and smart 'cause it always throws them off when you first meet them. go out and pick up a sexy (not slutty!) outfit, a little make up and have fun with it. you will be surprised at how much power you have
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