Most men are shallow?

[Anonymous]

A lot of men expect women to be body hair free, I bet they be saying “if she didn’t shave I will not date her”. Well then fine, if you don’t shave I also won’t date you it’s only fair. It’s very hilarious when a man who doesn’t shave yet shames his girlfriend or wife when they don’t shave. If you want me to shave my underarms fine, you also need to shave your face I don’t like your beard it’s unsightly. Hurts doesn’t it haha. Sorry not sorry. If you want me to be body hair free I will do it only if you buy me a big house, a sports car, a diamond ring, $10000 bags, don’t come whining saying I’m shallow for wanting you to buy me all that stuff when you yourself expect so much from me!

Ever heard of the word ‘fairness’ you only care about wanting women who’s only pleasing to the eyes, personality doesn’t matter to you. Therefore it’s only fair if we women do the same to you, like expecting you to spend millions of dollars on us. Those shallow guys complaining women are trash these days, that’s because YOU made us into trashy women. Good men will never expect women to be body hair free, I know men like that exists. They only cared about personality, therefore they’re more worthy than those trashy men. by the way I shave not because of pleasing shallow men, but because I want to look good for myself. If you think I’m that desperate to please men by shaving well FUCK YOU!

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Also most women have to shave or else they will be called disgusting by most shallow men

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It’s impossible for men to understand women because they themselves don’t understand what’s like to be disgusted by their own body hair which is considered natural but it’s deemed disgusting

[Anonymous]

Men and women both have their preferences in the opposite sex. Women prefer taller men, for example. If you want to call it shallow then so be it, but you just sound butt hurt.

"Hurts doesn’t it haha. Sorry not sorry." Yeah, not so much. With your attitude most men will have no interest in you anyway, so certainly no loss for us.

The fact is body hair means something very different for men than it does for women, and that will never change because it is rooted in human nature and what women perceive as masculine and what men perceive as feminine. Body hair is masculine, and decidedly unfeminine. That is the reality of our species and the sexual attraction we have that is coded in our DNA. That will never change.

Yes, body hair is "natural" on women just as halitosis is natural in our mouths. Doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't brush our teeth.

The bar has been raised for women's body hair in recent decades and that bell will not be unrung. You can choose to not date or only date guys who don't mind your body hair but you're going to have a tough go at it.

[Asker]

Body hair is not masculine to me, this is probably when men will never understand women. Since all women are pressured to shave, the reason why we shave is because of the media pressuring us. But don’t you think it’s shallow to not want to date a woman just because she didn’t shave? Is personality these days no longer important since everything to a man is all about looks?

[Asker]

Basically if a guy expects me to shave I will just leave him rather than telling him that he should shave his face too. Men are more likely than women to care about looks in a relationship, but women not so much about looks they would go for a guy’s personality

[Renegade_Sailor]

Hey, you wanna be a gold digging slob, knock yourself out. You can have all the standards you want, but guess what, 80% of women are competing for the top 20% of men,

This attitude puts you in the south side of the desirability curve.

Especially now that the world is a global dating market.

A man is no longer stuck dating in his local area, and if he comes from the USA or Europe he is already in the top 30% of the worlds income earners.

We don't need you, certainly don't need your attitude.

[Cherry234]

Well I don't like men with big bushy beards. I like beards but I don't like it if they look like cavemen. I think it's fair that if I expect a guy to shave his beard he would want me to shave certain body parts too. I don't want to be a hypocrite and expect someone to please me when I'm not willing to do the same for him. That's the way I see it. People have different preferences and not ALL men refuse to date women who don't shave

[Hangry06]

Yk what i have thought this too. There's so many things about our body we have to take care of like hair, discoloration, etc. things that require time and money. Yes we can choose not to do it but we will be called gross and disgusting for it.

[Asker]

Men will never understand women at all. They think we women are born to please men, but they be complaining when we expect them to be tall and rich lol

[Hangry06]

Yes the whining these MGTOW men do about how all women are whores and want tall and rich men. Better to not bother

[Asker]

I honestly don’t feel sorry for those men they were the ones who had those unrealistic expectations about us in the first place. It’s their fault.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Not all men are shallow honey, I like hairy vagina's it's a complete turn on, One time I was age 18 this show, Felicity came on Cinemax, This woman was getting out of this car and you could see how the bush she had, Right away I got a boner and went to the bathroom to get off cause my sister changed the channel wow that was the best orgasm to this day I got saved this fat hairy vagina and this woman is fingering
herself and it gives me such a dam good orgasm also some anonymous girl
had hairs on her vagina wow did it make me hard

[Anonymous]

We have to blame patriarchy for these double standards. Also, lots of women seem to play the game and spends lots of money trying to impress men. If all women together rebelled and went against this, I bet this would change

[Asker]

If they rebelled against this double standard and stop shaving. Would the men be against it? Or will they just learn to accept it?

[Opinion Owner]

I think they would learn to accept it, as they did with women voting

[Asker]

Actually women should go against shaving ads long ago. Like the shaving trend began in around 1920s to 1940s. Most women are not against it. But in the 20th century more and more women go against it. Now not shaving being the new normal and there were guys not being used to it since they were so used to women shaving. But still most women chose to shave, is because they were afraid of coming out as a feminist whom those radical feminists gave normal feminists a bad name.

[Asker]

For me I only shave my underarms it’s partly because of the media pressuring me, but I don’t shave everywhere because it’s way too time consuming. And if I were to shave everywhere I will be following what society actually wanted. I didn’t listen to society I just do what I feel is comfortable. I’m not against women shaving they do them, and I’m also not against women who don’t shave. They should do what they want

[Opinion Owner]

I shave my underarms, legs (when I'm wearing a short skirt or dress) in the summer or like yesterday when I was having a medical examination, but not all year, rarely in the winter.
What saddens me is that lots of women, not only guys think it's disgusting not to shave and they look at you, as if you're an alien, if they see a stray hair. There should be female solidarity and understanding

[Asker]

I agreed with that. I only shave my underarms because I had been wearing sleeveless blouses and dresses. I will marry a guy who is acceptable of body hair on women rather than men who only think body hair is a “masculine” trait or that is gross

[Opinion Owner]

Good luck finding one girl. Unfortunately it seems they're in the minority

[Asker]

If I have a boyfriend who doesn’t really mind if I don’t shave my underarms I will still shave because I’m so used to having shaved underarms. I think the reason most guys in my country are single is also probably because they demand some of the girlfriend to shave everywhere. Most guys/men are not good men that’s why guys in the minority are attractive to women. Think about it if most men don’t mind body hair we women will not appreciate them and will therefore take them for granted. If I can’t find a guy like that, single is not really bad thing. You don’t have to spend more money on their education, food, when they get sick, etc. A lot of millennials are choosing to be single here because everything is getting more and more expensive, and also a lot of those women complained that finding a good men who is compatible with them is very hard. Honestly in this world both good women and men are very hard to find. I won’t be surprised the population will decrease by a huge number in the future. Not mention many couples were divorced, some even said they regretted getting married and having kids it’s like to them they can’t do many things now compared to when they were single. To me I don’t expect myself to get married I’m prepared to be either single or married but if I’m fated to get married I will feel the pressure to spend more money and spending a lot of time raising kids. My mom said marriage is not like a bed of roses, there will be times where couples will argue with each other and not be in good terms for weeks because they don’t have enough money to support the family when the economy is not doing well. Even though I want a husband, at the same I will feel a little stressed out if I have to raise a kid.

[Asker]

Most men here shave their faces because most women don’t like beards

[haphazard]

I find body hair on women to be very sexy. I prefer a girl not to shave but I don't expect her to cater to my preference unless we're in a relationship. I agree, most men are shallow.

[Anonymous]

You're obviously hurt. And taking it out on all men except the guy who actually hurt you or someone close to you. All men are not the same. I'm sorry I know you guys wish it were true but we aren't

[Asker]

Are you saying that there are guys who don’t really care about body hair?

[Anonymous]

actually when you said " big house, a sports car, a diamond ring, $10000 bags" i actually did buy the person i love a diamond ring two diamond rings actually along with 1ct diamond earrings, 1ct diamond heart necklace and i left the love of my life over that 10,000 in investments in my last will. as for the house i'm trying to buy one and when i do i plan on giving part of it to them. in fact i told my significant other they're more than welcome anytime they want to stay and live with me. so yeah... as for shaving i get really bad razor burn where my skin turns red and bleeds especially if i do it every day or once every other day which is why i have to wait at least 2 days minimum before i shave again so my skin can heal properly

[Wester1967]

I come from the 1970s. Brigitte Bardot, Bo Derek, Raquel Welch. Come on guys. She’s your woman. Her hair is her. She’s your lady. Make her happy.


Enter the jungle and get to work boys

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7DRC9I5boA

[Yourfriend2021]

People can like who they want. If you don't like beards who can tell you that should? Some people are not compatible so those that are get together. Just find someone that you for you. But if you say most men are shallow, most women are too. But it's not everyone on either side.

[Asker]

Honestly I’m not into beards but if a guy I liked expects me to shave he should shave his face too or the relationship will be all about the woman impressing the man while the man makes no effort at all

[Yourfriend2021]

I agree, there's no reason why a guy can't shave everyday either.

[Asker]

In my country, majority of men in my country shaves I think it’s because they knew that most women are only interested in a man who shaves often that’s probably why so many of them are clean shaven. Honestly do guys find it troublesome to shave everyday?

[Yourfriend2021]

I don't think it's a problem, I shave everyday. It's not some difficult thing.

[Asker]

For me I can’t shave if I do I will get an allergic reaction I don’t know how can women shave without getting rashes that’s why I choose plucking to remove hair deep underneath the skin. I find plucking much better than shaving, since I don’t have to pluck that often compared to shaving

[Yourfriend2021]

They do have laser treatment, lotions, and waxing for hair removal, if those can help.

[Asker]

I had my own laser hair removal equipment and I hope it works so I only need to zap those areas.

[Yourfriend2021]

That's good, try it :)

[MCheetah]

Most PEOPLE are shallow. And women are WAY more f*cking shallow than men in literally every single category except for body size/weight.

[Asker]

What the hell how is that possible? Women are shallow too?

[MCheetah]

I didn't read that giant wall of text, but based on the comments, your main gripe seem to be you're too lazy to shave and think men should be entitled to want to date Chewbacca. Men are no entitled to put up with body hair anymore than women are entitled to date short men. Body hair is a very masculine trait and even on men, it's petty disgusting (just look at the average Arab guy).

If you don't want to shave, then so be it, but no one should have to deal with such masculine (and frankly, disgusting) traits on a woman. It'd be like your boyfriend whining that you won't stay with him because he doesn't like to bathe and he says all this crap about how people lived for thousands of years without bathing in the hunter/gatherer age and all this other irrelevant crap. This issue doesn't even seem to be a big deal anyway, as there's enough men out there who like hairy, masculine, unhygienic women. By your logic, men should also have to be the same height and weight as you and have tits too, since "fairness and equality" is such a major deal to you, and you're annoyed about men not wanting super masculine physical traits in women.

[Asker]

You’re being brainwashed by society since society said body hair on woman is an embarrassing and unladylike. It’s not this is one of the reasons why men will never understand women. Body hair is not disgusting if men are allowed to have body hair why women can’t? This double standard needs to go away. It doesn’t make women masculine, since when something that we naturally had is masculine it doesn’t make any sense. But if you choose to think that way, I can’t stop you. After all everyone thinks differently when it comes to body hair and every guy is attracted to different things in a woman. But don’t you think it’s shallow to dump a woman just because she never shaves. Is personality not important anymore these days? Is it all about looks?

[MCheetah]

1. I don't give a damn what "society" thinks. Society also thinks anal sex and tossed salad is "acceptable" too; doesn't mean I'd ever do it.

2. I already explained why this is disgusting: It's a masculine trait and even men who have body hair can come across gross and nasty. It's just that more women like body hair on men BECAUSE it's a masculine trait.

3. Do you know the function of hair? It serves too purposes: It keeps the covered places warm, and it also traps in dirt and bacteria! That's right; body hair's PURPOSE is to collect dirt! It is meant to be disgusting and gross! And assuming that people wash their hair daily is too much to assume. Most people don't even take care of their pubic hair; what makes you think they'll give their body hair the attention it needs in the shower?

4. It's not a double standard and I already explained this. If you want to be masculine and have poor hygiene, you not only can, but some men are into that. Many men don't want manly unshaved wildebeest women, though.

[MCheetah]

5. Besides some light leg or arm hair, body hair on women actually isn't "natural" at all. It's caused by modern hormones and chemicals they put in our food and products. Just like big breast aren't natural in women; they're also caused by modern chemicals in our food and products we use. Women who have armpit hair and huge bushes almost always have poor diets and are taking in too much protein and fats in their diets.

6. It can possibly be shallow to dump a woman who never shaves, but like I said, to me, that's the same thing as someone who doesn't shower or bathe. I wouldn't want to date a woman who never bathes or someone who doesn't brush their teeth or ever wash their hair. Shaving is hardly any different (as I explained, excessive hair is very unsanitary) and it's like asking if someone doesn't bathe, should their partner leave them. I know some women will try to justify it as "not being the same thing," but it really is.

7. It has nothing to do with "looks." It's just nasty and disgusting. Same with someone who doesn't brush their teeth and has yellow-ish brown teeth and bleeding gums.

8. For the record, I myself have little body hair. No armpit hair or back/stomach hair at all, and light arm hair.

[crazy8000]

Female's are seen in a similar way.

Just be aware of to much generalizations are flying around with little hard facts if any at all.
In some cases is it a rare thing that gotten exaggerated because someone feels in a certain way and wants to harm and blame a whole group for the moment that sometimes goes over to all the time and that is that person have developed mental health problems instead of dealing with it.

[FilmGuy93]

Something tells me that you are basing your opinion on things your girlfriends have told you. Men don't care very much about stuff like that at all.

[genericname85]

everyone is shallow. girls too. everyone who thinks they are better than that, are living a delusion.

[Tomsta]

Maybe stop going after shallow men then? Most men aren't inheriantly shallow

And if they ask you to shave let me. Know polietly that you'll do it only if they also shave (whatever area it might be)

[Asker]

How do you most men are not like that? If the guy I’m dating expects me to shave but he refuses to shave he should go fuck himself

[Tomsta]

Then dont date those guys. Like i said; most men are not normally that shallow

To me it sounds like you're just looking for someone to agree with you so you can feel justified in your viewpoint and anger

Hostility attracts itself, why does it matter if he doesn't want to shave. You claim equality but to me this sounds like something deeper

[Asker]

I only care about fairness if a woman puts in effort to shave he should at least shave his face. If I had a boyfriend I will ask him a question. “Do you expect me to shave?” And if he goes “yes of course”, I will say “fine but if you want me to stay with you you also need to put in effort in shaving your face regularly”

[Tomsta]

The intention is there but you are being very attacking with your delivery if you approach it with a little more of a welcoming approach you may find you actually get into a conversation rather than keeping people at arms length via aggressive and dismissive language

[Asker]

Then what should I say instead?

[Tomsta]

You can still ask the same question but change the language

"I can shave yes but i would appreciate it if you also kept your face shaved (no beard)"

If they come back with saying they dont want to shave you can then explain that you think its only fair for the guy to shave as well. Its about compromising

[Asker]

I did tell my ex about how he should shave too in a threatening way. Then he asks if I was mad then I started threatening him with breaking up

[Tomsta]

You answered you own question

Also just in the last sentance you yourself just admitted that you are just as shallow as you claiming men are

You are projecting

[Asker]

You mean the breaking up part or the last sentence in the details when I asked “Most men are shallow”

[Tomsta]

Both

Projection is actually a very common defense mechanism. I did it for years because i didn't want to deal with my shit. It was only after i went into therapy that i was able to see it and with the aid of my counsellor help me tackle it

From this brief convo im getting the impression that this shallowness comes from a deep rooted insecurity to be perfect/desireable either placed on you by the media and magazines or your primary caregivers (Parents wanting their kids to be perfect or the best at something can cause the kid to develop maladaptive thought processes in later year)

[Asker]

Yeah I was pressured to be perfect, that’s why I expect my partner to shave because of the fact that I shaved my underarms

[Tomsta]

There you go. That there is the root cause of your belief there, its fine to want your partner to have good hygine but it can spiral into perfectionism and shallowness

Id advise maybe talking with a professional who can help you with this, im not a trainned therapist (although people do tell me i should have been)

[CreamySeed]

I actively encourage women to be hairy the only exception in a monobrow neck beard or facial hair everything else is fine

[CreamySeed]

Frankly I think you pile on these burdens all on your own maybe you see too many fake women on magazines or in popular culture that is a fake reality and designed to get your money

[clampfan101]

It’s not a must. Just a preference.
Also, I’d shave for her if she wanted.

[cmarrott]

Honestly the only hair that bugs me is facial hair. Also if hair down below is too long it gets in the way when giving head. Other then that who cares.

[Anonymous]

"Well then fine, if you don’t shave I also won’t date you it’s only fair."
What a dumb thing to say.
I like boobs, so do I have to get a breast implants if I want to date a girl? Obviously not.

[Slayerrrrrrr]

I actually prefer they don't shave, however, If they get itchy I suppose a landing strip or alternative pattern should suffice.😉

[Browneye57]

But here you act like a complete moron. Oh well. Fucking clueless.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Didn't read but men are more lenient overall compared to women

[Asker]

How do you know?

[Asker]

Then why would a lot of men dump a woman when they find out she doesn’t shave

[disgustingweebtrash]

I don't think most would and I think you're making it out worse than it actually is

[Asker]

In my experience most guys my age will never understand women and girls they don’t know what’s like to be pressured to be perfect, be body hair free and to look sexually attractive. It’s like the media is telling us we women have to please random men as much as possible even though we don’t know them. It’s like we are another type of hookers

[disgustingweebtrash]

You only have to please the man you're committed to, why would you even care about how you look for random blokes on the street?

[CreamySeed]

Turn off the tv just be a normal girl plastics are a turn off to the good men.

[Asker]

I don’t understand if a man is into body hair free woman why would he want to be with a woman who doesn’t shave

[Asker]

I’m sorry I was too brainwashed by the media. That’s why I think almost all guys are like that

[OddBeMe]

Pretty sure most women hating is done by women these days. But men did trigger it in the past.