Honestly should girls ask out guys they are always to scared to make the first move?

[josdhnikcxeh]

yes they should

[JCrockett]

Yes. All guys would appreciate it. And it would make for a much healthier dating scene. It's all upside.

I don't expect it to ever happen, though. Women just don't want to do it. They want the guy to do it, because it signals confidence, which is a big part of what they're attracted to. Plus, it's way more comfortable to be on the receiving end. Why would they give that up?

I do find it annoying when women claim that they think women should (or that they do) approach. There so little safe awareness in that. It's always amazing to me how oblivious women are to the sheer magnitude of the asymmetry in courtship, especially since they're the ones responsible for most of it. Guys would love for everything to be equal. It's women who demand special treatment. So when they act like they don't feel that way, it's downright comical.

As for men being scared of approaching, well you try it. It's scary and it's hard. Plus, most of us grew up being told that pretty much anything a guy does makes him a creep, which means all the gentlemen avoid approaching women and only the actual creeps still do it. And nowadays sexual liberation and hookup culture has gone so far that the ideas of putting yourself out there in person, or putting effort into a first impression, are just antiquated. No one benefits from this system except for the lucky men who women find attractive on sight. Everybody wise gets screwed.

It's a world that women made for themselves. If they started approaching, that would be one way to start to fix it. But as I said, that's never going to happen.

[Slartybartfast]

This generation of men has had a lifetime of people telling them what not to do. Don't approach, male gaze, even the way we sit in public seats that are way way to small for a six foot tall man is criticized.

Many women consider ANY approach harassment, what guy hasn't had a women get mad because she thought he was looking at her when trying to read something she's standing in front of? Get angry when he politely holds a door like he does for everyone?

Good men got the message, players and sociopaths still approach. Even when it way still ok to ask women out , the worst men were the ones who hit on 200 women a year while good men selected one women and made sure she was interested first before he tried.

That's why for every one guy that approached women got 199 players looking for a quick lay, thus selection bias is one reason women think men are all alike, they are litteraly selecting the worst men of us all by waiting for one to act inappropriately!!!

At this point ONLY the worst men are still approaching, if that's all you date, the bad men still approaching, remember YOU choose the worst 1% of men and you cannot judge normal men by the few criminals who still do.

[bodiesands]

Well they can, but they face the same risk guys do... rejection.
Which is probably why they don't.

Call me old-fashioned (or Jordan Peterson), but there's also something about the guy needing to get his shit together in life, which should then give him a natural ease and confidence, which I don't mind as a setup.

If the guy is terribly insecure, then no offence, but he's probably got a lot to be insecure about - and needs to finish sorting his life/trauma out. I speak from experience haha.

[Vikkrram]

Yeah definitely the girls should take the first moove if a guy is scared so. Who knows the guy is waiting for the girl to do so.

And if anyone slut shamed girls if they take first moove then buddy are you leaving in 21st century? ... it's time to think...

[Danny_dan92]

There is definitely a cultural shift happening. Less men are making the move because more and more women are all about the attention. And with that more women than before are approaching men

[TwistedSukuna]

Being a shy dude, it'd be nice to not be expected to make the first move every time, but it's not likely to happen at all.

[888theGreat]

If she looks like this? You better believe it ! I couldn't say yes quick enough.

[moviedude714]

It will likely always be extremely rare for women to make the first move or to be the initiators in starting a relationship

[Seangreen]

I think 99% of the time women should be the ones initiating the date first date.

[Yourfriend2021]

They should because guys are tired of making the first move and it leads nowhere.

[loves2learn]

I think so yes. Chances are the guy will love it.

[NathanDavis]

yes, they should... if they're interested

[IHateBeingaMan]

they should but this will probably forever be rare

[Bdsmaster]

Ofcourse they can, why shouldn't they

[noohair]

It would save a lot of time.

[HooliganMcCooligan]

Yeah, if everyone's waiting then nothing happens.

[robocop666]

guys like if girls ask us out

[mark000h]

Yeessssss.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yes.