How would you feel if I done the exact same question about Trans Women and Biological Women?
It's already been done I just flipped the genders
The funniest part is majority of the men who agreed that ts were better for men are the same ones disagreeing and calling me gay and mentally đˇ
Thanks for the MHO
^^ did you read my comments and ofc
Yes I have and hilarious how majority of men honestly agree to this question. đ¤Ł
Just because they take copious amounts of exogenous testosterone doesnât mean theyâre men.
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I have no problem with a person changing their gender.
I also think they're entitled to live their lives to the fullest potential because that's what everyone deserves.
There are certain things I want in life and that is a partner, to marry, start a family with and live together as happily as we can.
I'm attracted to men. Mostly straight men. Race isn't usually an issue for me, I just want a decent Human being.
I would also like to be able to have a biological child with that person.
I appreciate that sometimes when you are with a person you might not be able to do that. Maybe fertility is an issue.
But to give myself a fighting chance at being able to have that I would want to be with a biologically birth born man.
If u was a person not fussed about having kids. And not worried about adopting or other options then I may go for it if they are mentally and emotionally sound.
But for me I just want minimal baggage.
Men and women are already struggling in this messed up dating pool.
I just want to be happy
The thing about the wording of this question... is you are asking whether they make better mates... mating means to reproduce... ftm trans cannot reproduce like that... therefore they can't really be mates, can they? Unless you are from a part of the world where mates just means friends... in which case it would be similar to having a gay best friend... except they aren't gay... except they are gay? I guess it would be the best of both worlds, possibly? Or maybe I wouldn't be like you think...
Ok, here is an interesting thought experiment. Let's say there was a way for ftm to produce sperm... let's say for arguments sake it was possible to surgically transplant prostate, testicles, the whole 9 yards... whose sperm would be produced in those testicles? That of the donor or of the recipient? Would the body know how to produce sperm? Would there even be an existing section of genetic code containing those instructions within the ftm body? What about mtf? If it was possible to transplant the uterus, ovaries, etc into the body of a mtf trans person... whose offspring would that be if they got pregnant? It is my understanding that women are born with all the eggs they will ever need for their lifetime, as opposed to a man who is continually producing new sperm. So... genetically, whose offspring would that be? The donor's or the recipient's? If conception was even possible... would the body even know how to grow a baby? There are some incredibly complex processes involved here... where are the instructions to do this contained? Is the uterus just a bio-mechanical baby factory in itself or does the rest of the body need to know what to do as well? How would the body know if genetically it is still a man's body?
I mean I don't want to put anyone down, but you cherry picked masculine looking transmen. There are a lot of transmen who are not masculine at all, or moderately masculine. Not to mention, unless I'm mistaken, even with injection, they don't meet the standard levels of testosterone that the average man does.
But I would agree that they likely know, at least more intuitively or to a deeper extent, how to treat a women. Same goes for gay guys. They physically have a dick, they have those nerves, and it's wired to their brain. They intuitively understand how it works and what guys like, as to where women can only have a second-hand understanding of it through communication or judging our reactions. But I think most people would consider this factor fairly negligible as I'm sure most people are more than fine with how women fare in the bedroom. Men don't like struggle to get off with women, and I'm of the impression the bi dudes who like it roughly 50/50 don't recieve significantly more pleasure from guys (its different if you happen to find giys more attractive than girls).
You are trying to provoke people and get a reaction out of them.
People have their preferences. The wording of this question is kind of hilarious, because on a biological level, they cannot procreate if they mate with women because they do not produce sperms.
I, personally, am NOT into trans people romantically and that does NOT make me transphobic. Why? Becauss it is my preference. I would very much only date a biological, heterosexual male who is not trans. I believe that people have their right to be whatever they wish to be and I'm okay with them being a part of the LGBTQ community, because well, life is too short to prevent people from living their lives.
@MrPlentiful @PrettyPriya
Its an analogy / sarcasm
@MrPlentiful a shitty analogy. You cannot compare both.
Yeah I can. You just think in terms of what damages the cell where I think in terms of what damages the organism.
@MrPlentiful What the fuck are you on about?
Your wrong way of thinking
@MrPlentiful Right. Fuck off
Well now. The rape comment has been removed, by me (if transparency is needed). I will not tolerate that sort of talk:
Not intimidated at all. I don't care what other guys look like, let alone people who can tailor their appearance through hormones and surgery... Which is the equivalent of saying a female who got cosmetic surgery (face lift, botox, lip filler, nose job, breast implants, etc.) are better looking than regular women who prefer to stay natural.
Or saying a model who is loaded up with makup, professionally photographed and then retouched in Photoshop are better looking than everyone else who just tries to live their life.
None of these are comparable to each other.
Except they are not men theyâre women.
mutilating yourself and attaching body parts that donât biologically belong on you and being injected with copious amounts of hormones doesnât make you a man.
Your chromosomes do and they can not be altered and their chromosome are female making them biologically women.
No amount of pointless arguing or crying about it is gonna change that.
and no Iâm not intimidated but I am annoyed that people are stupid enough to believe and take this kind of nonsensical pseudoscience seriously.
So I have never dated a trans man, but I am curious about it. I donât think there would be a difference, but the mere fact they knew what itâs like to be in a female body makes it interesting. Ultimately I am more interested in compatibility and similarity than I am in large discrepancies. Although I am âheteroâ I have wondered what itâs like to have a female partner, simply due to the fact that we likely experienced a shared perspective, existing in female bodies and how that plays out in society.
But again, Iâve never had the honor and know nothing.
I am. I have never had sexual relations with anyone other than men. I sometimes wish I could be more fluid in my mate selection, but Iâve never actually acted on it.
Itâs crazy how they can look so much like men but they are artificially adding an absurd amount of testosterone some even higher than some regular men so the muscle makes sense theyâre basically on PEDâs plus they develop very masculine features due to the excess T so I mean if you like very sexually dimorphic traits then I guess but they also donât have dicks Iâm sure would be a major hurdle for most women. Also the excess T could very easily affect mental state and behavior just like men who take PEDâs.
Whats wrong with a man having a pussy?
They do look like men just more manly and attractive
You'd be surprised i like it đ. Trans Men are taking over alotta women actually don't care if the vag is still there
Alotta women are going towards them lol
They're men that's who they identify as doesn't matter the bio sex
They're men like you just have vaginas
These men were able to afford good surgeons , hormones and were able to spend a lot of time in the gym. So they are doing a lot better than other trans people who canât afford their transition.
The private part issue is also an issue for me. They either donât get the surgery or opt for a metoidoplasty ( where they get a small penis from bottom growth) or a phaloplasty ( where they make an average/ish penis from a skin graft )
they were previously women so they may be more sensitive to your emotions. But sex is important to me so it wouldnât work out.
To be honest, it's kind of up to the woman. Some women are lesbians and they can't seem to find the perfect woman to be in a relationship with. I don't know if you can count a trans male with a woman as a lesbian relationship, but if trans women can be better mates for men so why can't it be the other way around? I actually had a trans man as a best friend but I just told him we should just stick to being best friends because it would really look extremely weird to have sex with a trans man knowing that you're not gay. Not trying to be sexual, but it's a gigantic turn off for a straight man to stick his hot dog in a trans male vagina knowing that he's a woman trapped in a man's body.
You say cis men know its true, even though the same amount of women disagree. This is what liberals do. Argue against those who aren't the ones they view as victims, and then ignore those who are the "victims" even though they're the ones who know better. Insane propaganda.
I am bisexual, but I will not date anyone who isn't cis. Part of the reason is I prefer different things in men and women, but part of it is also that I want a man who can wear makeup (if he wants, though not my preference) without thinking that makes him a man. If gender is a social construct, then why would certain things make a person trans? Trans people are just stereotypes and characutures. Do what you want, but if you think that makes you a different gender then it's not for me.
>If gender is a social construct, then why would certain things make a person trans?
what makes a person trans is them having body dysphoria , just trying to live up to a socially constructed standard doesn't make someone trans
@Alphonsolawa its gender dysphoria. I have it pretty bad, probably due to my autism. But it's a mental health issue. Indulging in that for people is borderline abusive. It's taking advantage of someone whose mentally ill to make yourself feel better. They need psychiatric help, not genital mutilation.
@Ninaface I'm curious to hear a more detailed perspective on transgenderism from someone who is autistic, has what they call gender dysphoria, and thinks it's a mental health issue rather than something less obstructive. But if it came across this way, I'm not hear to judge. Just curious since I imagined most people with what some would call gender dysphoria I figured would not see it as a mental health issue.
@crmoore or dysmorphia, i meant. I think. I'm bad with words. And it is a mental disability. Its recorded as that. Its on the same field as schizophrenia, combined with body dysmorphia. Living in a dilussion and seeing themselves as something they're not. Autistic people tend to be effeminate or masculine, I've noticed this pattern even as a small child, and am reassured in it as an adult. And so they get taken advantage of and told they aren't the right gender, just because they like traditionally boy or girl things. Having gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and being trans is a choice. I could've made it, but that would be giving into a reality that I know is false. Those who indulge that reality are no better than if someone was to agree with an anorexic that she's fat even if she's deadly underweight.
Dude , the only solution people have found for gender dysphoria is gender change surgery. If we have found something better we would have been using that for a long time.
Being trans isn't a choice. It is something a you are born with. It is absolutely a mental illness but the only solution for it is gender change surgery.
@Alphonsolawa Surgery is not the only option. Therapy and medication to manage is. Just like with depression or anxiety. there's not a whole lot of proof that transitioning is more effective in helping as opposed to that.
And being trans is a choice. You can have gender dysmorphia and not transition. Gender dysmorphia is the thing that is not a choice. Transitioning 100% is a choice.
@Juxtapose id probably be happier and better adjusted to society
@Juxtapose I'm good at puzzles, patterns and problem solving when it comes to a controlled environment
@Juxtapose yeah
I don't know if they are better in the sense that they're hotter cuz they look like regular attractive dudes. But I agree. I feel like they would understand women better since they once were once dudes
I mean since they were once *females
typo
Ty please vote
No they aren't better, just because they look like men doesn't mean they're men. Same goes to a "cis" dude acting like a complete immature retard. Being a "man" would mean you have male sexual organs, a male brain and take accountability like any person is supposed to when they're not kids anymore.
I'm not a transphobe, but being trans is not the same as being "cis" gender. They didn't invent the term without reason.
We're just human after all. Not better or worse.
I would not be interested in a trans man at all. No hate against the trans community but they are missing the one crucial piece of male anatomy... 🍆 Sorry. And if a woman dates a trans man and also wants children then they have to go through the incredibly expensive and lengthy process of artificial insemination.
Straight women wouldnât go for âtrans men.â Because theyâre just women with hormones injected.
As difficult as men can be, us straight women still love them. And if we fall in love weâll put up with his crap sometimes like they put up with our crap sometimes. Not all REAL men are bad.
I don't think so no. You say they'd know how to treat a woman, but lesbian couples fight and break up just like straight couples do. And you say they're men, but you also say they have the personality of a woman? I'm not sure how a trans man would feel about that.
I said they understand us women better..
It's not gay I'm a woman he is a man its straight
Aren't most women gay anyway? So dating a female that looks like a male is like the best of both worlds for them, isn't it? Or does that apply to transwomen? I don't know, but if lesbians like OP want to be with women with muscles, then she can have all the trannies she wants. Same for all the other lesbians other there, even if very few straight women seem to exist.
Ok, not gonna lie, that last guy Shawn looks hot AF.
Anyway, I am panromantic so I'd totally date a transman or transwoman. Dont matter to me. My only thing is I don't do penetration so no matter who I'm dating they have to know that nothing is going inside me. But if they want a great relationship otherwise, I'm definitely the girl to call. Especially you, Shawn.
I'm just gonna leave this video here of a lesbian feminist woman who had that same prejudice as you that the ideal man is a woman in a mans body, and then put those beliefs into practice only to find out the hard way what nonsense that is.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ip7kP_dd6LUSorry I no longer give my opinion to anonymous asker's anymore.
Exactly ty lol
I think in some aspects they are better.
But no matter what or who they are, every gender has jerks and douchebags in it. So you could just end up with another jerk.
Also not all are good looking. a lot are average.
Or even straight ugly. Just like cis guys.
"I feel like cis men are intimidated by this bc they know it's true"
Maybe. Another possibility is that this is what you tell yourself to feel better because, deep inside, you know that you want to fuck another woman but you just can't bring yourself to admit that you are a lesbian.
I'm straight
You want to have sex with women who had surgery to try to look like a guy?
She is a man now so yes
She still has XX chromosomes in every cell of her body. If it makes you feel good to call her a man because you want to have sex with her, do whatever you want, but almost everyone else on the planet will say that "he" is still a she.
That's fine still a man to me
No offense but I'm not into that. I would feel too weird to date someone like that and plus I want kids, I don't want to go down the hard route of trying to have kids when being with someone like that.
A staight man can take steroids and hormone therapy like they do but it's not necessary because they are already men. The average hot men are not prescribed with those but do it the natural way. And to top it off, they still don't have real penises to be considered a man
Are you into ts women
I'm only into cis woman
*Women. I can say i'm super straight
Whut.-.
No, never. To me there's just no comparison... just because some guys are slobs doesn't mean I have to settle for any of them.
The choice is not between a bad man and a good trans man.
Majority of them definitely take more pride in their appearance than cis men but Iâve seen what âpenisâ They get after the surgery and itâs definitely not something thatâs appealing to me personally so no
The fact you think a pervert cross-dresser with a mutilated body makes a better mate than a real man just shows your own level of mental disorder.
you can't cancel out men especially when there women who follows religious rules they would rather still be with a pure man and not a trans so no there not better were humans not toys but yes they are more decent then most men.
Same thing could be said that Women are better mates for women. But ya know there is a clear flaw in that longs if the woman is straight.
But i would agree that it is true.
Since you agree what are the flaws
She is he identifies as a man
Lol this world has come to a woman saying she wants to be with a trans man but then get mad at a guy whoâs nerdy whoâs an actual biological male and say that guy is not a real man. Wow this world is fucked up, confused, lost and demented lol. Sorry for the harsh words but I gotta be 💯
They aren't really men, kiddo. Just pumped up on hormones and surgery to look like men. Stick one on an island for a few months without their hormone therapy and she'll scream like a bitch as well as revert to one.
Haha, well done with this question 😁
But to me it looks like you are more attracted to the muscles these trans-men have and also taking care of their appearance (face, hair). The latter especially, which many guys born as guys are severely lacking.
I think you made this to just provoke people. Trans people are actually not ideal partners if reproduction is involved. I'm not sure where you think this was going, but trans men are not like biological men.
Smart man. First sentence
Translation: I can't get a quality man into a serious relationship but these transgenders aren't so picky.
I think you're prisoning your own ability to think straight. Would you rather date a great man or a great trans man? The answer is obvious. Just because a man was born a man doesn't make him someone who lives under his potential. You're generalizing.
Your leftard indoctrination has become a delusion so strong that it is a psychiatric disorder.
How am I delusional
What's your issue with them you are both men
They're abominations. I am Christian. You do not choose your gender, not according to GOD or Science.
🤦ââď¸Our society has truly gone to shit if people actually believe this
Transexual men? No way why would I date a transexual men anyway if Im a woman and I am attracted to men not women, even if they could be better men or not
This question makes the main page... Wtf is wrong with this site. Mind boggling.
I know right complete horse shit
Honey I am not a lesbian. And men have that raw masculine energy and strength that cannot be replicated. Plus they have the package, na'am sayin'? I do need that...
Are the men in the pic really transmen? How can they looks so masculine and handsome? I dont understand how transwomen and transmen look more hot, beautiful/handsome than cis women/cis men. It is because of hormons?
Selecting only the best for covers, a bit of photoshop, hormones and the makeup/trimming passion of a woman. đ
I think Iâd kill a woman if I found out she was born a man. Imagine loving her. Trannies are messing the game up
Lol I'm glad the votes agree with me.. No they aren't better. Why? Because you can reproduce with men, you cannot reproduce with a tranny.
I'm pretty sure you're trolling though. Reported.
Aw some worthless piece of shit beta disagreed with me, how cute, can't handle the votes can you..
As a real, normal man. If you're a female who is into that, by all means stay out of our way. It'll be good for both our sakes.
Maybe for some women. It wouldnât be a dealbreaker for me if they were trans if I was attracted to them and liked them (mtf or ftm).
If we talk about reproduction thatâs kinda dangerous for earth because how are they going to give birth to kids..
however not all women or man want to go trans ,, those who want to be trans an can do it they are free to do so.
What is a trans man technically?
Sorry for being so naïve.
Female to male
What do you call a man who is very feminine?
He's still a man just fem. Why
Trying to get the terminology straight and figuring out how others might see me.
Well are you straight and fem bc if so your just a man who happens to be fem
I am straight yet curious and like to try and talk to women about things they are interested in that men don't give a crap about.
Nice you're just feminine which has nothing to do with sexuality
Honestly I want to learn more about things like shopping so when a future partner wants to go shopping for clothes, I'm not that guy who gets bored and rushes. I want to be a part of the experience so I need to learn the many things women understand about shopping. And also in the future if I want to buy her an outfit that I know exactly what to look for and what she would like.
Tips. Be quiet hold her bags tell her she's pretty lol
What about the "does this look good on me?" :D
If it does say yes ofc If it doesn't let her know lol
I would be afraid of telling her that she doesn't look good in a lacy bra she loves, because I am the guy who likes a simple underwire bra.
Lol it's about what she likes but if she's truly into you she'll buy and under wire bra
Thank you for being so understanding with me. I hope we can talk more, or meet up on a different question.
Sure
Imagine being an Anvar shooting manlet without a working penis. Pure suffering. What really kills it are the supple nips all these specimens display. Just goes to show that "Transmen" Have never even seen a real man.
I have nothing against trans guys but i couldnt date one. I prefer a real man no offense to them but i do want a baby one day too.
Now that we can create men in the laboratory, we don't need bio-men any longer. :)
The level of absurd generalizations (about both trans and cis people) in this question makes it impossible for me to take it seriously. Too bad, could have been an interesting discussion.
Heather Swanson will have them.
Objectively they're not - But if women like that it's all good
Wow, Iâve never seen trans men who looked as masculine as those pictures! They are very attractive.
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Youâd have to be a little gay.. or at least bisexual.
I'm straight they're men that's how they identify
They can't get an erection. So, there is that.
Not saying that should change your mind but it's important to a lot of people.
I think this is a question for women to answer not men.
Better mates? Possibly
Better looking than average guys?
I feel like this is just a troll post and you took pictures of actual cisgender men from the internet
They're trans
Anyone who doesn't find this at least a little repulsive I wish you the best of luck
Why is it repulsive
Lmfao what? No. Especially if the woman wants kids someday.
There are other ways to have kids
Are you into ts women
Bc I stg I saw you agreeing to fuck a ts woman but bc I want to its an issue? You can be gay but I cannot?
No there arenât other ways to have kids look at it like this
Heterosexuals are eating homemade meals but can still eat takeoff if they want
Same sex couples have to eat takeout because they canât cook
By your logic one could argue that trans women make better mates for men. I'm NOT drinking your Kool Aid!
Ok start the argument then
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