Isn’t ironic that women are less “transphobic” then men and the same time it the ideology hurts real women more then it hurts men.
Seriously ladies. Given you are so open minded and “accepting” of the trans ideology this has now led to:
Maybe just maybe men are more “transphobic” because we judge with logic and rationale. We are generally more resistant to being emotionally manipulated. We are also generally more resistant to social contagion.
And for the record more Americans are waking up to this insanity (thank God). More American adults are rightfully against the “trans movement” because they see how much damage it has done to society.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-06/lgbtq-trans-people-american-support-poll
If you want to engage homosexual activity at least you still have the same body before and after. But the “trans” movement results in irreversible damage being done to your body via hormones and surgery. While gender dysphoria is a true (and very rare) DSM-5 mental condition it is a psychological condition and NOT a physical “condition”
Men are against transphobia because they want to protect people from destroying themselves including protecting innocent children.
You can scream “transphobe!” and whatever bullshit label all you want at me. But while women supposedly have an innate care for innocent children it’s ironically men who had to put an end to this to this heinous insanity.
And for the record the zeitgeist is changing and the world is finally starting to heal. You aren’t “cool and hip” anymore. 2020 has come and gone on radical far left bullsh*t.
A phobia is a persistent, irrational, and intense fear of a specific object, situation, or activity. It is a type of anxiety disorder that can cause significant distress and avoidance behaviors.
Transphobia is an inaccurate term.
Opposition to men posing as women in order to win sporting competitions is not caused by irrational fear. It is a rational desire to protect women.
Opposition to the psychological harm and physical mutilation of children is not caused by irrational fear. It is a rational desire to protect children.
It is not phobic to understand that men are not women and women are not men; that men cannot get pregnant and bear children; that gender neutral terms like "birthing parents"and "menstruating people" are an insult to women.
Few people hate or fear individual transgenders. They only oppose considering trans-women to be actual women and trans-men to be actual men. And they oppose the indoctrination and mutilation of children. Opposition those things is purely rational.
As to whether or not more women than men support those things, check out the results of this informal poll:
Trump Signs Order Barring Men From Women’s Sports. Do you agree with that decision?
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Women in general lean more to the left politically. That's because of a lot of reasons. Women go to collage more, women are more into pop culture, women rely more on governmental services. All of these things have a tendency to make women associate more with the democratic party. And for now, the Democratic party has aligned it's self with parts of the LGBTQ lobby. Women also tend to be more social and have more experience with diverse sets of people so this helps them be a bit more compassionate.
I will say I've met a lot of transphobic women on here too. So I don't really know how big the disparity is. Is suspect it's a lot smaller then people think
Well written and reasoned, I have two questions however.
1) What do you think pop culture has to do with it? Is it that pop-culture pushes it and women are more impressionable so they go along with it? Or do you think that the same tendency that drives them towards pop-culture also somehow leads them to acceptance of trans stuff?
2) I find the compassion claim biased. Many people who are "anti-trans" are doing so out of compassion for women and girls. They don't women feeling uncomfortable undressing in front of men so they don't want trans women in changing rooms with bio-women. They don't want girls being demoralized by losing to boys in their own sports. So they don't want boys competing against women. Etc. I think both parties are compassionate, but they have compassion for the different party.
What do you think about that?
@Ladsin2
Pop culture has a strong left wing bias. And men and women are products of their culture. Men seem to be more into the counter culture. Which has more of a right wing bias. So women are more influenced by the left wing. And men are more influenced by the right wing
I can see the argument that people on the right have compassion for cis women and cis girls. And I think there may be some truth to that. But I don't think the anti trans movement comes from a place of compassion.
First off there is no olive branch to trans women. They don't call them trans women. They offer no alternatives for trans women. If a sports team says we want cis only, I think they should be allowed to do that. If there are people who aren't comfortable sharing a dressing room then I think an alternative option should be provided. Most trans people OP includes support that.
The second reason is because most cis women ( or at least a good amount of them) don't want to exclude trans women. That's why on the campaign trail Trump talked about "protecting the women weather they want to be or not" This implies to me that it's not about protecting women, it's about making men feel like they are protecting women.
1) Why then are women more influenced by pop culture and men counter?
2) I think left wingers hate women and that's why they want to force them into situations they want to be in. I don't think demonization of the opposition helps. If you can understand the rationale for compassion why not take that as your answer than believe your fellow citizens are full of hate? An alternative solution to the dressing rooms meaning what? Biological women who don't want to change in front of males have to be segregated? Or do you mean the standard alternative solution that women's rooms are for bio women and men's rooms are for bio men?
3) I highly doubt your belief that most women are fine with having biomen in their changing rooms. Google AI states 51% of women are ok with them using the bathroom, but that's with socially desirable responding. Rasmussen had a poll saying 60% were against. Some polls I've seen say as high as 55% of women are ok with it. So it's a very slim majority if there is one at all.
1) It's all about targeting. Women like celeb gossip and fashion. Men like... cars and guns I guess lol. There is a lot you can say about why men and women like the things they do, but that's not really the point here.
2) I don't think I'm demonizing the anti trans movement, just deconstructing it. Anti trans advocates say that they want to "protect women" Even though by your own data, you see that the majority of women don't feel like they need to be protected. This is why Trump said that he will protect the " if they want it or not. This is a violation of women's autonomy. I think it stems from the position that women are week and need a big strong man to protect them. I think that's degrading.
Regardless if in the minority I think cis women who don't want to change with trans women should be accommodated. I don't understand why you have a problem with them being "segregated" that is exactly what you want. You want cis women who don't want to change with trans women to be separated from trans women. I think your problem is you don't want those cis women to be stuck changing in some utility closet well the trans women and other cis women get the nice dressing room. I don't want that either. I think things should be looked at practically. Sometimes it might just be easier to set up a small bathroom for the trans women, sometimes it will be easier for the anti trans women to have there own space. it just depends.
“ women rely more on governmental services”. Also women are more emotionally impresionable and “pop culture” has been hijacked for horrifying purposes.
And just because you went to college it doesn’t mean you are “smart”. You are just brainwashed if you studied and graduated with degree in a far left subjects.
But the greatest (insane) irony is that the trans ideology harms real women more the it hurts men. But when you got white western women supporting radical Islamist (hamas) I guess some women find that “hip” is committing suicide.
But the good news is this is starting to all reverse. I’ve noticed a growing minority of women who are waking up to this insanity.
I think there needs to be a lot more research done on the subject bc there is some indication that there is a physiological aspect to the condition. However, I don’t think it is helpful at all that we live in a society that so massively sexualizes so much. There is a real lack of balance and I think children are under near constant exposure to things they do not yet have the capacity to contextualize and understand. Therefore, they are conditioned to and unduly influenced by ideas that they should not be and it wharps their perception of reality.
As I said, I'm not in favor of indoctrinating children.
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They’re trying to make it about anything but, but…it’s definitely dudes are afraid they’ll make out with a trans-woman unknowingly. It’s so obvious that that’s what all this fuss is about.
They’re absolutely scrambling to find ways to villainize trans-women, not even just trans-people, but specifically trans-women. I’m not going to go to war over trans-women athletes because they’re virtually nonexistent anyway, so a mountain is being made of an anthill, let alone a molehill.
And that’s really all they have. I’ve even heard people worried that it’ll be too expensive to build additional types of public restrooms, lmfao…like I said, they’re SCRAMBLING😂
They’re just viscerally offended by it but they know they’d look like a douchebag if they were honest about it. I mean, that explains so many positions a lot of these right wingers hold. They won’t just own it and say “I’m an asshole”, they want to camouflage their bigotry in something seemingly reasonable because they’re uncomfortable with their own character🤷♂️
I don’t really get it. I don’t feel any type of way about trans people in general. Do you. There are plenty of things I don’t necessarily understand, but the bottom line is that whether or not I or any other bystander fully understand is irrelevant. “Do THEY understand it?”, trans folks, is my question, and they seem to, so I wish them all the best with their lives as they feel right living it. I couldn’t possibly find it in myself to care.
My one universal care is really just: “Live and let live; don’t give anyone else a hard time who isn’t maliciously fucking with anyone.” It can’t be much simpler than that. And I have yet to be convinced that trans people are maliciously fucking with anyone, and to the contrary, it’s seems they’re being maliciously fucked WITH. So…that sucks, just on a human level, and I’m always allied against that sort of behavior, whoever the recipient may be👍
u What "rights" do you think that a person has by virtue of claiming transgender status?
First I call bullshit on "PHOBIC". That is just some woke bullshit far left loonies make up. The number of westerners that want to hurt these people is so low it isn't even worth mentioning.
Women are the ones who fall for all of this "feelings' based crap and men are the more logical, straight forward types.
Women are more prone to fall for the word salad gibberish they spew... because it is science based on how you "feel". Men are more apt to just follow the logic. There are men and there are women. That is it. It is impossible to become the other sex.
It used to be treated as a mental disorder which it most likely is and the mental disorder use to be treated... now people tell them their disorder is reality.
Anyone trans is either a man who chooses to live their life as if they were a woman or a woman who chooses to live their life as if they were a man and they dress and change names accordingly.
They are free to do so in the west. Where the class happens is when they expect the world to coddle their illness and acknowledge they really are the other sex, like medical forms, going into the other sexes private spaces, sports, the push to have it introduced to little kids... etc. Basically, in the west trans people have all the rights everyone has so them spouting off politically as if they are oppressed and are having rights denied is kind of annoying and offensive. Shut up already. Change your name to Sally, wear a dress and go on with your life and leave everyone alone. Quit acting like you are a victim group.
"Wanting to ban sex reassignment for minors or forbidding transgender people from playing sports in the women's category , is not transphobia..."
Thanks for emphasizing that. It is the people who push the theory that these things are anti-transgender who are responsible for the backlash against transsexuals.
I use the word anti-transgender rather than "transphobic," because the word transphobic itself is an attempt to deceive.
Phobic indicates a phobia which is a fear. So that word is preloaded to implying that people who are opposed to transgenderism, whether on religious grounds or some other grounds have a fear of transsexuals. I find that to be an obnoxious characterization designed to be disrespectful.
Just as I believe in your right to see yourself as anything you want, so someone else has a right to not approve of it. They are just as entitled to their view as you are to yours.
And when I refer to "you" and 'yours" I'm not necessarily talking about you specifically, but to the gender obsessed political activists who demand rights for themselves to behave any way they want but deny the right of others to not endorse that behavior. I find those people reprehensible and at the root of the anger against the very people they claim to support.
Women tend be on the more compassionate, understanding, heart to heart, and empathetical type of lines.
I’ve seen plenty of angry men get ‘tapped to’ by the media companies who tell them everyday that Trans people will destroy them & the American Dream.
I’ve said this before, though my best example is “rednecks”. Everytime I see a redneck I don’t get mad, enraged, or whatever I see them as Americans because the only harsh thing the media said about them was comedic while Transphobic Media Pieces tend to spread the ideas of: Indoctrination, child predatory activities, a cult of weirdos, and a bunch of manipulated fucks trying to change the gender of everyone’s babies which is far from the truth.
If you have a predetermined belief that something is bad then the media or an influencer feeds you that notion again & again, you will forever stick with it and it will be impossible to hear from the actual people affected. LGBTQ+ are people trying to live their lives and not be associated with Democrats or Republicans though keep being used as talking points for both parties to chain up & use as a political win. Leave the LGBTQ+ community alone already.
Simply boils down to the angry men who are reactionary fall for ‘culture wars’ while sensible gentle feminine women are more warm & understanding because they disassociate from what the media wants them to feel therefore prevent them from thinking.
Feelings / social acceptance vs cold logic. If there's a situation that is harming other people but they feel like this is right and seek approval women are more likely to approve to validate their feelings and men are more likely to give the cold hard truth even if its not socially acceptable to do so. Social acceptance plays a role which women care more about.
You can make the same case for fat acceptance, men are more likely to call it out as bad health rather than claiming fat can be beautiful.
Others raise some good point of the social impact trans people are having, and I think that one you can also link to men having a more natural instinct to protect while women have a more natural instinct to submit to a situation they feel powerless against especially if doing something about it can cause social alienation. Because men are more protective and object driven we see it as "Creepy guy is bothering my girl" and will want to do something about it he'd also be more likely to have the strength to do something about it. While the girl in such a situation has to rely on things like social reputation, verbal responses or can flee or try to be the least noticeable possible. The social part is a strong factor there, if she feels like she's going to alienate people away from her by calling it out rather than getting help she won't call it out and play along as accepting it.
I don't believe the majority of women would be comfortable seeing dicks in their changing spaces and that makes the solution simple. Got a dick? Men's room. Got a vagina? Womens room. Regardless of your background or how you feel about it.
No a transphobic person is someone with phobia of trans people I would think.
phobia
noun
pho·bia ˈfō-bē-ə
Synonyms of phobia
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
You don't get to redefine words. People that are transphobic are afraid of trans people irrationally. It's a noun, and as such cannot denote an action or activity. So if someone turns and runs or stammers while looking in horror when they see a trans person, that is transphobia. We don't get to weaponize language. It's how truth gets muddled and obscured.
To make a long story short. No one depriving anyone of anything. The definition is as follows, ( deny ) a person or place the possession or use of something. So what am I depriving of there possession? Do they own something and I am not giving it to them. Or they a child in need of comfort? Am I denying them the use of something? How do I have the power to deny the use? Am I there parent or there guardian? Some help me out, I am confused how I have the paper to deny them the use of something or a possession. Did i take there phone?
Women are more socially calibrated. They don't want to be the only woman to stand up and face social ostracization. Men are willing to do so. Now that many women are coming up more will do so. They're not happy having men in their changing rooms and or getting their faces smashed in during sports.
That said most people seem to be quite ok with crossdressing or whatever for adults. They just want certain things to not be allowed. That's why I think conservatives are focusing on legislation around those issues.
"Women are more socially calibrated." That is an outstanding way to express that thought! Very articulate and succinct.
Not wanting to mutilate a child or letting a bio man demolish women at sports are the main things people protest though
I never saw anyone (other than religious zealots) say that trans people shouldn’t have the right to vote or to work or to own property or any other basic human right that non-trans people have
And Im not sure why you think women are less transphobic than men.
The only thing I can think of is that a man meeting a “woman” only to discover a penis later that night is a bigger deal than a woman meeting a “man” and discovering a vagina
I know it doesn’t make too much sense and both should be identical scenarios but somehow they’re not.
I don’t think it’s a male verses female thing there are men who aren’t and women who are extremely. I think people are biased by the groups they hang out with.
For instance if people hang around people who are more liberal verses conservative you’ll have a skewed opinion. Most people don’t care what someone chooses to do unless and until…. It’s being pushed on them. When there is bearded dudes in the girls locker, restrooms, and dressing rooms. A lot of people cross the line. When you cross the line of talking about extremely sexual things to children it crosses a line.
So it depends on someone’s definition of transphobia as well.
I agree that kind of stuff isn’t transphobic. Look my philosophy is if you leave me alone I’ll leave you alone.
Everyone is different though
Cause for men it's easier to see the delusion behind it, Everytime I ask these people to define a woman they can't, it's a simple answer, they choose to deny that answer so they can manipulate it to make the word woman define any definition they choose for it and I not only think that's unfair to real women but I believe it's insulting to their gender and sex and I believe women aren't as commonly against it cause they worry more about the emotional part of it than the logical part, they would rather spare the person's feelings with a lie and delusion than to hurt them by telling them the truth, many women in the comments said empathy and that's the truth, they feel bad and don't want to get tortured by society, men already get tortured by society so I guess we value the truth more than people's feelings, mostly when their feelings are in the way of the truth.
A phobia is an anxiety disorder, defined by an irrational, unrealistic, persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation. If you are picking fights with trannies and beating them up, then clearly they are not scary. They are weak targets. You should stick to Chinese. You don't seem to grasp English.
STFU. Us normal people know you just want to molest children and fucked in the head.
My lack of transphobia is more related to actually knowing trans people and their struggles. It's one thing to yell from across the fence, and another to go over and find out if there really is an issue. It can be difficult for anyone to know what they don't know, but if you get to know some people, things you hear in media or told to you by others, aren't always true.
It's because gay and trans people tend to exude more feminine energy/behavior, so it's less threatening for women, or more relatable. It's one of the reasons why women shouldn't be running any governments. No doubt, men are running them poorly and only care about their own ambition and destroying others, but women do everything out of their emotions and whatever is going to make them comfortable, which is even worse.
There are so many here , the possibility that they are ALL somehow transgender is far far less than even unlikely , interesting only few go " all the way " ..
At least here they look good , its a body designed by a man , in Australia they just look like a man in a dress , the entire transgender thing is 95 % bullshit , and they certainly should not be in women's sports , LPGA made this super clear , that's good.
Women suffrage in the grand scheme of democracy dosen't have that long of history. Women rights to vote started in 1920, 105 years ago.
So if you were to diminish anyone else's rights when your own rights are still fragile it's a quick way to lose your own rights. At the same time if you reinforce the more vulnerable rights of others it strengths your own rights.
They aren't. But you know "trans" is bullshit and a mental illness as you'll never see a "transman" able to compete equally in male sports.
So males can "cut themselves down" to a woman, but females cannot "grow themselves up" to a man.
Honestly, transphobia has devolved into a frequently used buzzword by transgenders and their allies, to the point where not wanting to date a transgender is considered "transphobia" in their eyes.
It's rare for a transgender to admit that preventing underage people from gender reassignment surgeries (a life altering decision with no way back) or banning transgender from women's sports due to biological advantages isn't transportation, but it's still a nice surprise.
*due to biological advantages isn't transphobia, but it's still a nice surprise.
The problem is that in the media it's always the most militant trans people who are invited, never the moderates.
Because men have the social expectation to protect women and little girls, so when there is something new and possibly dangerous entering their environment it triggers that protective impulse. Most those guys if they meet trans people (specifically trans women) that will help alleviate that concern.
Being against trans "women" playing in women's sports is not transphobic. It's simple common sense.
I have nothing against trans people. But a man wanting to be a woman doesn't mean he should be able to compete against women in sports. It's unfair to real women.
Its because men tend to be aware of potential consequences more often than women. For instance in the last Olympics when that guy punched that girl so hard she quit the sport. Or how the military is now weakened and under recruiting.
So in our trying to call out such consequences we often appear to be transphobic but in truth we are just pointing out observable reality ithers try to ignore for the sake of keeping up appearances
nobody is "transphobic". it's a gaslighting term made up to discriminate against straight people.
"phobia" means "being scared of" in dumb peoples words. and even dumb people know nobody is actually scared of a "sexuality" whatever it may be.
You're in rebellion against God. Women have no discernment, so they accept any bullshit which comes down the pipe.
I am not transphobic, I recognize them as people , I just recognize trans as mentally ill
I am not transphobic, and in fact most transphobic people are feminists.
Women are generally more agreeable and more socially malleable.. Mix that in with their natural empathy, and that's why they would appear more accepting of Trans.. But most people are really "transphobic"..
because women are more influenced by the media and other large crowds; they are followers by heart and because in todays world transgender people are trending then they obviously gonna support it
Sexual reassignment surgery is self mutilation and is only done by insane people.
Generally speaking, its best to avoid insane people.
You're initial claim is false by the way.
we're more agreeable or empathetic
pick your poison lol
Women tend to support things that are immoral and abusive.
women tend to be more liberal (at least younger women) and tend to have higher empathy
I think after women boxing at last Olympic games, lot of things changed in this topic.
Lack of Testosterone made them women at puberty. They can't compete physically even with grooming.
There is much more bi women so women don't care as much about being fooled by a trans.
IDGAF who pisses where, what you wear, I'll use your pronouns and I'll be there as an ally.
I won't support guys on girls teams.
Are they? Who complains about which bathroom they're gunna use? Mainly women from what I've seen
You don't have the right to play in women's sports. You are a man.
You don't have the right to mutiliate children with sterilizing hormones and surgery.
Those aren't rights.
Women in general like to get along with people more than men do.
Because women are enablers, people pleasers and co-dependent.
Because women are more likely to be with other women even if they are straight, men are less likely to be with a a man unless he is bi , so women are more forgiving in that way , women will have gay friends, men will rarely do that
I highly doubt that's the case. I think they just aren't as vocal about it as men are.
I can't imagine women seeing a man in drag entering their changing room, claiming to be a woman, without thinking that something is horribly wrong.
nah, women just don't show it as openly as men, if they are against it
why wouldn't anyone want to ban sex reassignment surgery for minors?
Talk about Trans athletes in women sports and you'll find out that statement really is not true.
These concepts are very confusing to me. I could not understand their differences.
That's funny as it seems more guys pretend they're girls.
Generally men are more hateful than women in most categories
Because women are more emotional beings than men.
Tranny = trash = women
Originally I didn't want to become a trans woman
bc women r usually more empathic
Emotional intelligence
Cause women get penetrated either way.
Men are more logical.
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