What are some actual problems women have in dating?

[Chthou95]

I'm still not convinced women dont have it easier in the dating world and the problems they do run into are more so their fault

[Alli39]

Here's a few comparisons

• Guys are often expected to imitate, but that means that women can't in many cases if they want to be taken seriously. This is more true for older generations/more conservative/traditional guys, but the statement stands. If a woman approaches a man she may be seen as easy or generally unattractive if he's someone who thinks that men should approach. Which means her only tool is flirting, which can be misinterpreted super easily.
• Then of course, there's the guys that think any and all kindness/friendliness is flirting. Guys feel like they're constantly getting rejected? Girl feel like they're constantly being misunderstood and having to navigate really awkward situations. I've lost so many friendships to guys becoming interested, it really does make a person kind of jaded.
• Men are sometimes expect to pay for dates (again, a personal/cultural/generational thing, but pretty common nonetheless). The inverse is that this sometimes turns into a mentality of "owing" the man something, making it hard to say no if the guy moves too quickly, walk away from a bad date, etc. Of course, not all women feel this way, and hopefully not most since it's a really unhealthy power dynamic, but it's still present.
• Dating can be legitimately dangerous sometimes. Meeting with a stranger twice your size and strength can be intimidating at best, even if he does seem like a decent person.
• Guys aren't good communicators, which makes all the emotional stuff difficult? Yeah, women aren't necessarily all that great either. We're just expected to be. There's way more pressure on the woman to be the emotionally responsible one in the relationship. Not all relationships are like this, but enough that it's a concern for some people.
• And just like men deal with a lot of bad dates from women, women have to deal with bad dates from men. Anything from complete disinterest, to being way too handsy, to lying, etc.

Feel free to put forward any other issues you'd like me to provide the female equivalent to.

[hello123456789]

Look women are LAZY. They don't want to hold up their end of the bargain in dating or relationships.

Women don't want any responsibilities. We take you on a couple dates... you have sex with us. Transactional occurrences need to be normalized. If not... dont date men and use his resources.

[Alli39]

@hello123456789 What bargain? Dating isn't a bargain, it's two people taking the time to get to know each other and determine if they're compatible. If you want to pay a woman for sex, maybe just do it directly rather than pretending to date girls?

But look at that, another point on why dating is hard for women: we have to deal with this attitude. That the only purpose in a date is sex, that we're only present for male satisfaction, and again, that going out on a date means you owe the guy something. It's creepy.

[hello123456789]

You are a typical modern woman running from responsibilities.

What else do you modern women bring to the relationship besides sex?

You don't cook
You dont clean
Most of you all don't keep up with your looks
You don't make yourself useful for men.
You don't encourage men...(except to make money which you women spend.)

Men are useful at the first date.

[Alli39]

@hello123456789 That's a pretty bold assumption.

[hello123456789]

Yeah... See you have no response. Ask most men what HIS wife brings to the table and see what he says.

Sure, sex is nice but most women even try to weaponize sex. And most women dont care about traditional household chores that make men happy. Most women don't like participating in his hobbies either. What use do you have?

Women NEED to understand that your presence is Not inherently special. You need to work just as hard in a relationship as a man. Stop being lazy.

[Alli39]

@hello123456789 That was my response. It's bold of you to assume that I don't work, or that any given individual doesn't do work on the grounds of their sex/gender. Bold, short-sighted, and sexist.

And where are you getting this obsession with sex from? And "most women" absolutely do not try to weaponize sex. That's complete BS. If that's your experience then maybe you should take a look at what kind of relationships you seem to be building. Moreover, "most women don't lie participating in his hobbies either [and therefore she's useless]"? Tf does that even mean? More likely, she does because they share interests, which is part of the reason they're together in the first place. Both people probably also have their own hobbies as well that one would hope they're not needy enough to try and force on the other person.

But fr what exactly do you think a relationship is? In a healthy relationship, of which there are many in the world, both people work to support one another; they share interests, act with kindness and compassion, and many choose physical intimacy as means of expressing affection and, well, engaging in mutually enjoyable activities shall we say. Romantic relationships, or any real relationships of any kind, aren't about "use" and frankly, if you find the right person then their presence will be special to you. If you haven't found these things then that's unfortunate, but there's no need to hate half the global population because you're walking around with a bad attitude.

[sheikalana]

The problem is that any women can actually have many options but only a very small tiny percentage would match our requirements.

[Chthou95]

And thus they remain single because mr perfect doesn't exist

[hello123456789]

@sheikalana that's the issue. Women have too many requirements.

It's crazy to me how women have all these requirements and then they expect a man to be everything she wants. When does he get to be happy?

As a woman... dont ask for any qualities that you don't bring to the table. That's wrong and selfish. You get what your SMV determines.

[sheikalana]

@hello123456789 I agree with you.

[sheikalana]

Absolutely.

[Chthou95]

Modern dating is shitty

[sheikalana]

Absolutely. I'm happy I'm not in my 20s anymore.

[ProbablyClueless]

Guys will lie through their teeth about damn near everything to impress women. What they do for a living, what they're looking for, their appearance, their age; I really do mean EVERYTHING.

So the lack of honesty is a big thing women have to be wary of in dating, but there's also the men who there'll be a switch that flips in their head that the dude just goes crazy and will become super possessive and controlling.

[EricSummer]

The main difficulty are guys who only want to have sex with the woman for a short time while pretending that they can offer long-term commitment and love.

Another problem is that most women are attracted to men who are physically stronger than themselves (and most men are). This is a huge risk. I would hate that in dating.

[Billlewis]

Well, they definitely don't have it any easier when you consider that they have to put up with guys... lol

[Chthou95]

That's not an issue

[strateguy632]

same as men, sifting through the jerks.

[Chthou95]

That's their fault. They're aware of the kind of men they're chasing but still go through with it anyway