Guys, do you believe that for a man not having a good career/well paid job makes it harder to find a good long term partner/spouse?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[MrOracle]

If a guy is really handsome (or above-average handsome and extremely fit), or if he's very popular because he's got an entertaining talent (artist, musician, actor, etc.) or has celebrity (even if only on a local level), then his money doesn't matter - but this is a small percentage of guys.

For all the other guys, having a good job with a good income is a virtual necessity. You might get away with being poor in high school and college, or just after, but if, say, a woman has a good job - either after high school or after college - and she's making money, the majority of women won't consider any man who is making less than she is, unless he's clearly on a trajectory to make more in the near future.

I've seen this play out many times with friends and acquaintances. Even when the girl has interest in the guy, if she learns that he has a low-paying job, she loses interest. A couple of times, girls have rejected guys who were "poor" because they were starting a business and spending every dime getting it going, and a few years down the road, these guys were making healthy 6 figures - but when they were poor, girls turned up their noses.

I think a lot of women have these romantic ideas about how men's income doesn't matter to them, but to the extent that might be true, they're thinking about the "otherwise perfect" man - the very handsome, extremely charismatic man who is popular with everyone - i. e., a top 5% guy. And, yeah, sure. But there are very few of those guys, and most girls don't get them. I'm talking about average guys - your apprentice electrician or plumber or truck driver or mechanic, etc. Starting out, these guys don't make much, and have to spend most of what they do make on tools and otherwise getting themselves set up, but a few years down the road, it's not unusual for them to make 6 figures. But few women today are willing to build with a man - instead, they want to stand at the finish line and pick from the men who have already won the race - but those guys know what's up and usually don't take those women seriously.

[Anonymous]

It all depends when the guy nails her down. Women before 25 don't typically use thier heads. They're not thinking 20 to 30 years. Down the line. So by the time he graduates college (if he goes to college) she typically already bonded with him. Of course I'm talking about women who are serial daters (those women don't bond to anyone obviously.). But after 25, after she's gotten out in the world and realizes you have to work for it, it's not handed to you, even if you feel you deserve it... even if you do deserve it! You still have to fight for every bit of it. Then she's more likely to change her game plan and look for a guy who will bankroll her lifestyle. And at that point, yeah. At that point what a guy does, how much he makes, and what his projected future earnings are are probably the biggest if not the biggest factor in finding a partner.

As far as finding a good quality long term partner there really is no way a guy can improve that. Most women today simply do not have the commitment DNA in them.

[HelpfulWoman]

As a lot of these questions get, watch a episode of jeremy kyle. Even deadbeats can get girls.

[Nikki1989]

No, that is just silliness men have been brainwashed into thinking.

[Nikki1989]

Just read the comments. Proves my point totally.

[_piotr]

It was like that always. Women get respect, value and beauty for free at birth. Men start with nothing and need to work vey, very hard to gain some respect and some attractiveness through money.

[DaveJord]

Honestly, given the choices I have seen woman make, as far as the losers they date... I would think none of that really matters to them. And for the ones that making a lot of money does matter to, seem to think they can do better than a guy like me. Which honestly maybe they can, should, will and would.

$120,000 annual here... and woman do not care that I own my own home paid off, no debt and waste over 10 grand a month on stupid shit... like maybe a potential woman that is willing to invest in a real process.

[rigmarole]

I mean if a woman wants you for your money, she's not a good long term partner or potential spouse anyway. The more you make and the more she knows what you make, the more clouded the issue gets as to if she is a worth while woman. The best thing is to project an image of being poor to the separate the wheat from the chaff even if you are loaded...

[Lionman95]

Yes because women are less interested in you when you don´t have one and at least speaking for myself not having a career can make a guy be less confident around women. I think it´s also better since a career can stabilise a guy´s life and makes him look more interesting than a guy that lives from paycheck to paycheck.

[artgorgeous]

Yes, but it is not a critical issue. A handsome man with poor or average salary has more chances to find a long term partner than a rich but ugly man. Financial status gives some advantage but it's only a piece of puzzle.

[inhua]

yes unless the man is physically attractive e. g. Jeremy Meeks

[DummyThiccFeraligatr]

Absolutely. Unless you're a total stud in the genetics department, you will be viewed as "lesser than" for not being successful. And people's views of success are foolish nowadays.

[Anonymous]

I would say it's the hate between the two genders. The red pill makes women hate men and men hate women. Feminism makes men hate women and women hate men.

It's hatred and the gender war that is making dating hard in general.

[AlbantheGreat]

Rich men tend to have more success with ladies than the homeless or poor men in general.

[EyesOfGod]

Considering the fact i get dates by showing off what i have yes.

[msc545]

Yes, of course. Women care more about money than anythng else except maybe height.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Men are only loved when they can provide something..

[Anonymous]

Of course. It's not about whether we believe it. Everyone knows it' a fact.

[EricSummer]

Yes, this is the case.

[KrakenAttackin]

Of course it does.