Are men more cautious about approaching and/or complimenting women and/or flirting with them as those men may not want to be accused of making unwelcomed advances?
Is it good or bad, co-workers may be far more leery of asking each other out?
Yes #METOO has changed the Dating Landscape and the in Work/Office Environment.
It initially was a good idea, then hyper feminists got involved and it turned in to a dog pile which has resulted with men backing right off.
Adopting the "Pence Rule" in defence, which has resulted in women today not getting the same face time one on one with their managers, not being mentored as they were before.
Along with other things they're loosing out on and all because the hyper feminists got involved, and the "Law of Unintended Consequences" turned around and bit those same hyper feminists well and truly in the backside.
But did you notice that it isn't those hyper feminists who are paying the price?
It’s those women working their usual 9-5 jobs (or equivalent) who are paying the price.
Men are now keeping it totally professional and not interacting with women beyond what is needed for the job, and Women do not like this at all, they do not like not being complimented, to be blunt being tret like a Man, they'll go as far as to complain to HR that the Men are "creating a hostile work environment", when in reality it is the Women being hostile in a bid to get a response from the Men even if it is a negative response.
In the Dating environment it has affected things even more negativity than the Work/ Office Landscape.
Given the attitude of Women today, all Men have done is performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that dating life is not for them as they see no benefit in it for them, if anything it puts everything worked long and hard to build in jeopardy.
The thing is more women then men have quietly moved on from this crap (especially after the Johnny Deppe / Amber Heard case) but they have not nor will not admit it out loud.
So men is we are still paranoid about having a bad encounter with a woman who still suscribes to that bs. Less likely but those birches still exist.
Also again his many women owned up to admitting it was wrong to support #metoo? Seriously when was the last time you heard a woman who posted/protested/supported #metoo back in 2017 later say in 2024 something like: “I was wrong to support that. I wanted to call out sleezeball men at the time but I didn’t realize how negatively this could impact innocent guys”. Really have verbally regretted supporting this movement that did more harm then good? Deep down they knew it was wrong to hastily judge back then.
Anyway if Trump gets re-elected in November I predict we will see another four years of radical leftist backlash bs. That is all the #metoo, BLM, #defundthepolice insanity was all at least partially motivated by leftist TDS.
It doesn’t matter if Trump had nothing to do with Harvey Weinstein’s gross behavior or George Floyd’s death. These people (particularly leftist women) look for other methods to channel their derangement and hatred. If HRC was elected in 2016 I bet you a million bucks the whole #metoo movement would have never come about. TDS often masquerades under guise of other mental health diseases.
This is one hell of a essay trying to portray how sensitive men are and how egocentict Americans are. 😅
@Potteplante thank you for your time insightful response. Also thank you for accusing me of ethnocentrism despite not saying a word about cultural differences. Although I will admit that modern western women are the worst of the worst.
I find it highly suspicious when some men feel like the me too movement was or is the problem. Me too arose because so many men were going unchecked with their disgusting, rapey, inappropriate, molesting, behavior. It was never about some sweet guy that's like, hey, I think you're cute, you want to go out for dinner. Only psychopath women have an issue with those types of interactions---and they existed before me too, and they exist after it.
All this business of being scared...I can tell you as a manager, there was no point in my entire stint where I attempted to flirt with anybody at work. Work is a whole different ball game filled with legal ramifications and having to report to HR if you're in a relationship and all that. This was also like this before me too.
Literally keep your love life outside of work if you don't want that headache, do ask for consent, make for damn sure she's legal, and make sure your date is consenting whilst not drunk or out of her mind. That's bare minimum any guy has to do and none of that should be so hard you collapse on the floor from exhaustion.
did you know businesses became more reluctant to hire women to be in situations where they may have had to work one on one with male superiors? Did you know more men at businesses did not want to mentor female employees? Segregation by sex increased at work and interactions between genders declined. Look it up
No, the #metoo movement was actually supposed to be about personal stories of real experiences of harassment/abuse. Some psychos used it, but the actual movement itself was a good thing.
And about not believing without proof, that's valid too (even though such things are often hard to really prove even if true, even in the case of rape). But that doesn't mean a survivor doesn't have the right to talk about their experience even if there is no way to prove it, if it's been years since then, or whatever may be the case. If their claims are actually proven to be false, then they should face charges for it.
As for have the lies and exaggerations of some weirdos impacted how guys approach women or modern dating culture? Yeah, to some degree unfortunately. But no one is really forcing them to do something they don't feel comfortable with. It's their choice and we should generally be careful about who we trust anyway.
“If their claims are actually proven to be false, then they should face charges for it.”
How often does that happen? That is a false accuser faces criminal charges.
Brian Banks false accuser Wanetta Gibson faced zero criminal repercussions for what she did. Absolutely none.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Brian_Banks_(American_football)
Amber Herd might of gotten civilly sued by Johnny Deppe but she faced zero criminal charges as well. She’s still getting work in Hollywood when Johnny Deppe was blackballed for 5 years.
Anyway that’s not to say pos abusers don’t exist. They absolutely do. But there scumbags do NOT care how they made women “feel”. They only care about what they can get away with.
But #metoo advocates think that protesting their feelings and sharing unsubstantiated accusations will make all the bad guys stop. They won’t. But instead it’s made thoughtful guys paranoid af and second guess themselves.
@blueonblack22 it isn't just about making the bad guys stop, it's clear that actual abusers don't care. But for some victims, their voice is the only thing they were left with. Any real survivor has the right to say their story. Maybe nobody will believe her, but if that happened to me I wouldn't stay quiet just because others demanded proof. I wouldn't let anyone silence me or use my experience to oppress me more.
It's a very difficult topic, the culprits are the sexual abusers and the ones who lie.
@blueonblack22 the women who lie do nothing but ruin the lives of innocent people and discredit the voices of real victims
That's the whole reason why I hate feminism because it protects the shitty women and empowers them and their Misandristic actions
@avery58 do you have some amnesia about the #believeallwomen hash tag feminists were pushing during the #metoo movement? So we should ALWAYS take a woman’s word for it like how Wanetta Gibson destroyed Brian Banks life or when Amber Herd lied her ass off about Johnny Deppe?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women
@blueonblack22 I don't use twitter or social media. I never heard of the #believeallwomen tag till now
Well if there is a wiki entry about this then it was no small deal.
Now of course the modern feminists pushing this crap are delusional. But they get mainstream media coverage and airtime, why? Why do they get heard? Why would anybody in their right mind seriously consider “believing all women” like false accusers and/or psychotic females don’t exist?
My theory is that all the metoo, BLM and other radical bs of the late 2010s was really an extension of all the deranged animosity for Trump while he was in office. THAT is why leftist mainstream media journalists heavily covered those movements. That’s why we haven’t seen any of these deranged leftist movements while Biden is in office. It’s all really motivated about hatred towards Trump even though he had nothing to with metoo or BLM.
I hate getting political while trying to focus on these subjects but that’s my theory.
Depends on your definition of crazy and bitch I suppose
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Probably not, because people are stoopid. Women will continue to refuse to make the first move and men, being idiots, will go right back to their simpering ways. Then they’ll be all surprised when they’re fired, run out of town, or even end up in prison. Ell oh ell! Smart, self respecting men aren’t dating at all anymore, and they sure as hell aren’t marrying.
“Where have all the good men gone?”
Hateful women ran them off and good women did nothing to stop it. Good luck with what remains!
@Tanntoned Well, they're using their time for their own growth instead of relationships.
I think it has and it’s a good thing. Guys try to pressure girls less into going out with them or getting sexual with them and they make a lot less rude comments to girls. Guys still ask girls out, but once they get a date they’re more likely to let the girl set her own pace for how fast things move. I’m not sure about coworkers. I only had one summer job and I told everyone I had a boyfriend, so no one asked me out, but definitely no one made any rude comments to me, which was a very good thing.
Absolutely. For a lot of men who weren't that socially active or just shy and nervous around women and asking them out, thinking they don't find them attractive enough and will reject and laugh at them for making the move, the whole #metoo movement, if anything, has solidified those said men's stances on dating to the point some have even completely pulled out of the dating market and would much rather spend time working on themselves and focusing on their friends and their hobbies instead
what is a dating market? U just crush on ur crush and start sitting next 2 them, and eventually if they show no sign of repulsion u can start 2 hold their hand.
@Tiktok_Broccoli_Girl I have no idea if you're a troll or you genuinely don't know, but the "dating market" is basically a term people use to refer to single people who are open and looking to date. Saying someone is on the dating market simply means said person is open to dating. On the flipside when someone says they've pulled out of the dating market, it usually means that they aren't available anymore, they've either found someone, or they've just abandoned the whole idea of dating as a whole, due to external factors (like I mentioned in my initial comment)
Coworkers? Not even women at this point want to hire women because of how much liability they bring with potential lawsuits.
Overall it is a net negative but I hope it dies down.
I think the word "forever" has very weird implications. If you remove the word "forever" from the sentence, then my answer is yes.
In regard to what you are saying, I think it's positive that abusive sexual behavior towards coworkers has been pointed out (Example: people who condition a job or a raise based o sexual favors, who use their higher hierarchy jobs to take revenge on people who rejected their sexual advances, people who are very persistent with people who already rejected their advances, etc.).
However, there are other cases that have things problematic. Search for the definition of "sexual harassment", and you'll realize ANYTHING can be considered sexual harassment. That's because the definition is so unspecific and open to interpretation, that it basically only depends on the perception of the events from the alleged victim.
I don't have this problem because women ask me out, so I never have to hit on them.
However most guys are either A or B, and this is really all the "me too" movement is:
I've noticed girls are more desperate than at any other point in my life. I've been married for a decade, and am old af now, but girls, even college aged ones, hit on me more than I've ever seen. So my value has gone down, but their efforts have gone up. I'm sure it's related to some degree.
Absolutely. Not the movement itself, but many females grifted off of it to get huge settlements out of corporations and men.
Result:
- Men won't have women in their office for 1 on 1 meetings anymore - they just talk in the halls.
That and mentorships. I 100% cut off, and never again started, any former of mentorships with junior female workers. It's less effort for me anyway. And I excluded females from most group chats. Absolutely nothing to do with disliking females in any way. Just about not wanting my life destroyed for something I gained nothing from.
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It just went too far, women now use it as a weapon. And I am sure the whole act with Weinstein was sus, they sure knew what they were in for and agreed, now they saw they can use it as an additional way to gain money
No.
All it’s done is show grown adult men what a problem they all are
Its shown the world how inappropriate, how creepy , how downbad, how LOW MATING QUALITY you all are 🫵 specially the more you age past 30
#METOO is a plethora of young women who have been sexually harassed by a man
I have been sexually harassed by a man way past 30 in the workplace too
So yeah; #METOO 🫵
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It showed that no proof, no court, no words had any worth if a woman accused someone. That internet public executioners could ruin a life on nothing else than a few words from any random woman.
Those claiming to be oppressed got the power to destroy any man without any proof, and they didn't have any problem to use it.
The MeToo movement had nothing to do with that. The MeToo movement was about holding accountable very bad men who had actually done very bad things to women!
Yes, there is a problem with people being over-sensitive and over-reacting if a guy simply shows interest in a girl. No, that isn't the same thing as the MeToo problem. So please don't lump the two together.
They will fade in time. Some time in the near future, there will be a massive economic and cultural collapse in civilized nations. Then women will resume clinging to men like the last 20,000 years. Rome-2 is coming to an end.
no one actually cares lol
i see peeps still date from work bc lots of drama happens like work at an amazon place if you wanna see it. assault still happens and managers just passed off to other stores with nothing happening to them
Its caused men to not approach women anymore and caused women to wonder where all the good men went. 🤣
Heh... Most of them went... Their own way.
Exactly lol
That is a bit sad, though. At least given what that "own way" usually means. It's quite a gamble, since once the Western societies collapse, there is no telling whether they can ever be rebuilt, since they have attracted the ire of many strong, traditional societies, especially the Middle-Eastern Muslim ones. It might be better to form safe, exclusive pockets within those Western societies that would maintain both tradition and some semblance of order and would survive the collapse of their respective societies as a whole. The GaG heavily hints at the existence of women who might actually volunteer to take part in this kind of traditional pocket communities, it's just that it's challenging to find them in real life.
I don't think it has. My man was a nervous wreck, still approached me. Not scared to be shot down. He told me that metoo never crossed his mind whenever he talked to a girl.
No. But honestly you shouldn’t be hitting on girls at work. Even if it’s reciprocated, but things go south later, stuff gets really messy. Believe me.
Considering the multitude of tiktok/youtube videos of women crying about not being approached or ignored by men and the millions of men who became passport bros or went mgtow, i, d say its bad
It has made it worse, just like everything else feminism has done.
For rich people like P Diddy, Jay Z, and Jeffery Epstein it did. For normal people not so much
Nah those people who fear beeing called rapists for talking with a girl usually never talked with a girl.
I care so little about trendy terms like that, I am not even sure what it means.
Nor do I care.
sort of reminds me of the feminist society at one of the universities i work at had girls come into the mens bathroom and pee standing at the urinals like some we can pee standing too thing. Bit silly really
It's not made any difference. In fact it's largely only really a "thing" to take down Weinstein.
Work used to be a way to meet women. Now it is not. Dating co-workers is practically off-limits now.
Cold approaching women has also become much much riskier.
the same hypocrites who advocate for the MeToo won't advocate for criminalizing false rape accusations
Yes, because men are (or should be) much more careful about asking out or even complimenting a woman for fear of being charged with s*xual harrassment, which, unfortunately, remains an unwelcome aspect of many women's life.
no, i think it was Take Back the Night that forever changed flirting and dating.
Metoo didn't help
@ManInChains if you thought flirting and dating needed to change, then you'd say it did help.
m When looking back, societies undergoing changes, is it really surprising?
Not forever, but it's done a lot of damage for the time being.
It has changed nothing except for increased laughter about posers and freeloaders.
It hasn’t change them forever.
Fortune favors the bold.
I think there's a storm coming and it's going to be about women groping guys.
My guess is that it's had approximately zero impact on actual dating.
Forever? No I don't think so. In the year 3024 its hardly going to be a small footnote on contributing to the raise of AI.
I'm not. I have also always made sure she was not drunk and did consent.
I don't know, I still hold out hope that all the damage done to gender relations and dating might someday heal, decades from now.
Average people come out these days through internet.
No. Metoo movement affects only disrespectful creeps.
I hardly think the hashtags KillAllMen and AllMenAreRapest was making any exclusions.
What the hell even is the "me too" movement?
It made it easier for women to get away with falsely accusing men of Sexual assault which led to many men's lives ruined
In short, yes it has. 😔
Yes definitely
If by changed you mean killed it then yes
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