+1 yI'm, genuinely, so glad that men/boys women/girls will finally think twice before they try to do anything with anyone. Though, some still send a totally unwarranted, "are you horny" or "send pics" anonymous private messages because they won't be reprimanded publicly.
I'm SO grateful for this movement as it has brought justice for little boys and girls on the USA gymnastics team that has been dealing with 30+years of pedophilia: www.nytimes.com/.../...lympics-nassar-justice.html
It's one major example that deserves its credit.
I'm grateful that I know i'm not alone with many men and women who have also been raped. I'm grateful for the movement because it has taught me and little boys and girls around the world A LOT on how to stand up for myself. There is now just so much awareness and there can only be more exciting progression!
I'm also glad because female and male radicals expose themselves and it helps me know who to avoid or be careful around. As well as, exposes ignorant women and men who don't care to consider how this movement has truly helped SO MANY others.518 Reply- +1 y
Very well said, @sugarchateau! Only one little hint... make sure not to forget mentioning the founder of this movement, Tarana Burke! She got it all started :) Thank you!!!
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Thank you, I wish there was more positivity with the movement. Not everything is black and white.
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I understand the positivity part. I don't understand the black and white part.
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For example, a group or individual may assert what it feels to be an absolute moral claim (i. e., "abortion is always wrong"), assuming in this that a thing can only be good or bad, not something in-between.
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@sugarchateau Gotcha
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I like how you explained it, I feel glad for this movement and how you have expressed it through words. Thank you. I understand it better now, i definitely feel great for my exx as she was rape victim in early childhood.
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@vodkabunneh Thank you for letting me know, not many people care to think about the children who are affected and would rather dislike a post because they claim to think that they will be accused of rape... which is truly concerning.
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" I'm, genuinely, so glad that men/boys women/girls will finally think twice before they try to do anything with anyone"
You are the reason MANY girls are unhappy because nobody approaches them.
You are the reason MANY girls think they are unattractive because they never get a compliment.
You are the reason MANY girls will have a difficult time finding a relationship and have to work extra hard to compensate for the natural chemistry you are destroying.
You are the reason MANY people now think it is bad to flirt, because you claim it should be perceived it is bad.
You are the reason MANY will end up depressed.
And you are PROUD of this.
They are doing an incredible DISSERVICE to actual rape victims by marginalizing rape to "he started at me and called me sexy".
The movement has one gigantic flaw that was encouraged not addressed, and that is separating rape from nonsense. It is now harder to take actual victims serious then it ever was and it is now harder to date then it ever. - +1 y
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You are correct, these are biased and apply to the feminist movement as a whole because this hashtag is showing the cancerous effect feminism can have on society. It is not protecting rape victims it is normalizing 'The girl who cried rape' and the fact you are in favor of the effect that has on society made me want to confront you with the outcome in a slightly over the top fashion.
It wasn't so much an argument as it was announcing the effects your mindset is having on society and what you are destroying by being in favor of this. If women can appreciate a compliment on there body, enjoy flirting like they used to and call men out only if they actually cross a line by for example participating in unsolicited touches of your body or sending dick pics it can be taken much more serious then the lets just make dating hard for everyone mentality that you embrace with your stance 'I am glad they will finally think twice before doing ANYTHING with ANYONE'. - +1 y
@sawno I didn't know if you are trolling, but I didn't want to assume and just ignore you. I appreciate you speaking up about what you feel is right and I agree with you about the movement as a whole having radicals that ruin everything.. but, I do feel obligated to point out that you really don't know me, just like I don't know you and won't attack you. We don't know what each other do so these assumptions that we can make about each other, won't help because they don't really apply... Or maybe they do apply as an indirect affect of supporting the movement but I can't respect a combative conversational style. I don't expect you to care about what I respect, i just wanted to explain how someone not being considerate or personalized to others doesn't really engage anyone in wanting to move towards a positive and healthy conversation. The point of the movement for me, was to help bring awareness and I just failed at bringing positivity.. bc now I feel sad.
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I could have brought it more polite i agree, my intent was to be provocative and attacking your speech not you as a person. Perhaps not the best reply i have ever done but with the idea of you advocating for what i oppose so severely the urge was quite strong to just call you out on it and provoke with a more putting you on the spot kind of approach rather then an argumentative approach as just like you i feel quite strongly on the subject.
So in turn thanks for putting me at my place because a civil conversation is far better then yelling and while most of the time i do this in a much more productive manner this was not one of them. I mistook you for one of the radicals because you acted in favor of a hashtag pushed by radicals but you do not seem to be one.
What i expected you to do as someone who is not radical is actually call the hashtag out while speaking in favor of those who use it for legitimate means as i had hoped you would be able to see that the 'movement' is doing harm. - +1 y
@sawno Thank you for genuinely taking the time to respond so politely, it really does mean a lot to me. Through conversing about this topic with so many people against it, I really do see why they disagree with it enough to stop trying to make "positive posts about it" because I found that it ultimately just upsets a lot of, well, men (just on this website, as I am currently referring to the dislike buttons and comments). I was wrong to assume that good intentions are enough for anyone especially with movements that prove to hurt a lot of people... And I honestly don't want to throw myself in the line of fire like that again when it's basically asking for a wall of bullets consisting of emotional reactions from people that don't even care to talk with me every time. It's scary! I genuinely just wanted wholesome conversations, but I was being naive.
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Its because there are typically two groups of people, those deliberately manipulating them and those that follow. Its obvious your intentions are pure but this can lead you to being mislead to support something you actually oppose. So people become negative about it not so much based on your intentions but on the effect you are supporting. Keep in mind seeing intentions is a difficult trait and most people are very reactionary. Usually i can judge well based on intentions but your post made even me assume you where ill intended because in my eyes nobody with good intentions would see people thinking twice about there interactions with others as a positive thing.
It is because my beliefs are that everyone should be able to life in harmony without actually having to mentally restrain themselves from being themselves and for most people this is not a requirement at all if they want to get along. - +1 y
So if you plee for things that go against peoples nature there first instinct is to oppose your arguments and depending on how firmly they believe you are going to harm there daily life the vocality by which they do so will increase as you are part of a much bigger thing that is extremely destructive.
So what i advice you to do is to start doing your own thing instead of going along with a moment as movements can be constantly twisted and turned and typically get a lot of hate from all sides.
Because from the current conversation we are having its clear your views are not aligned with how you seemed to convey them in your post. If i have to reword your views it is not that you want people to constantly think twice before they do something but that you are glad that doing people actual harm can have serious consequences when proven guilty which is something completely different instead of the fact its good everyone doing something remotely sexual gets a lot of hate for it. - +1 y
@sawno I forget how many ways that things can be interpreted by so many different people and their background, I feel so thoughtless and naive... I was so confused on why no one would care about the children who have found justice through their awareness through media, but that's only one story out of many. I was being very biased and it was unrealistic to focus on just the positive. I assumed the definition was enough of a solid foundation, but really the many interpretations of it... is just not worth the emotional slaughter. You're right about everyone just doing their own thing, but I do have a soft spot for the feminism movement because of personal incidents that I didn't overcome until I found the awareness that the movement did bring. (Also, still so many other things to overcome but it really did help me)
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We are on the same side for sticking up for the actual victims but in my case i typically have to defend them from the LBQT and Feminist movement. Recently for example a lot of girls lost there job because the movements had to get rid of the gridgirls who actually really love doing that work. It might be fun to have a conversation about the subject in PM because i might shine some light on the matter in a way you never saw things before. Because people are not against someone's sexuality, they typically always defend someone if they are being discriminated against so on all the actual issues they are on your side. But from there perspective it is often caused by the movements that claim to defend them.
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+1 yThis is common sense to realize the #MeToo movement doesn't target men just because they "hugged me when I was angry" or "cast a glance" over at me. It's about ACTUAL assault. About molestation. About sexual abuse. The #MeToo movement is primarily aimed at men because 9 out of 10 rape victims are female. Because 38% of women's rapes are by relatives and 21% are by strangers. (Not shaming male victims, just an FYI if you want to come for me for that reason.)
If you genuinely think that #MeToo implies you'll get framed for assaulting someone and traumatizing, then maybe you shouldn't go near any fucking human ever. Especially women if you think most of them are lying about their experiences.914 Reply- +1 y
Well spoken, @PrincessBunBuns.
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Uh, no. Read the legal definition of rape. It requires forcible penetration of an orifice to be considered rape, and female perpetrators of rape VERY RARELY penetrate their male victims. Add on that the very hefty majority of male rapes go unreported AND uninvestigated by law enforcement and the stats will be even, if not greater on the male end.
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"Unreported and investigated" same for women, your point? You know, you also implied men aren't assaulted because they weren't penetrated. :P Do you think just because you didn't get penetrated it makes sexual assault okay?
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But its not? Aziz Ansari was just accused of rape by a woman who by her own admission consented to sex. As for your claims of 9 out of ten, that's also false, the rates are comparable and when you take into account prison populations men are actually far more likely to be raped then women are: http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
In fact the only reason why those numbers are not well known is because we as a society hate men so much we don't give a damn about them so we ignore their suffering (males are also as likely if not more likely to be victims of domestic violence). Also according to the DOJ statistics a woman has less then 1% chance of being raped so its really uncommon. As for women lying, again your wrong. Why would you think that all women are honest? Do you think women can't be bad people? That only men are bad? That's pretty damn sexist. - +1 y
Statistically anywhere between 40% to 60% of rape allegations are provably false, mainly because of your attitude and societies attitude that believes that all women are perfect and innocent and all men are immoral and evil. That's not how people work, both men and women can be good and both men and women can be bad. www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
falserapearchives.blogspot.com/.../...eb-1994.html
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So the majority of reported rapes are false? In total? 🐸☕ Women still get raped more by that account. Literally go away if you attempt to justify any sort of assault, thanks.
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Reported rapes yes. If you as a male rape victim were to go court, you'd not be taken seriously, and even asked questions like "Didn't you enjoy it though? You know, since you're a man". And because of that, a lot of male victims choose not report their rapes.
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@LillKrull Yeah because female victims never get ridiculed in court 🙄 "Why couldn't you just hold your knees together?" "What were you wearing?" "Weren't you flirting with him earlier that night?"
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@snowangle I'm not saying that women never get ridiculed in court, however I am saying that getting ridiculed in court, and by all of his friends if they get to hear about it is the main reason that men keep this kind of stuff private.
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Okay but how is that anyone's fault except mens? If a man mocks another man for getting raped for not enjoying it, that's toxic masculinity. Anyways, you sound pretty stupid so I'm gonna block you and hope you learn some manners.
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In 1982 I was abducted, held for 3 days, tortured, sexualy assaulted and nearly killed by 3 women. The only thing that made it legally rape is the fact that I was forced to give head to a dog. I called a rape hotline and was told off for trying to report it. Without that one act, it would have been kidnapping, and perhaps sexual assault if the prosecution would have felt it was possible to pursue that line. Compare that to the case of the "sexual assault" of Saud Faris where the incident was under video surveillance and her statement was demonstraterably false, yet the accused was never found innocent, only unable to be found guilty. Britain has just released information that they intentionally withheld vital information that proves that men who were accused of sexual assault were innocent, so that they could get convictions. This is not about justice, it is a witch hunt.
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I get the feeling your not paying attention to what any one has said. As for your comment directed at @Vzombie he was pointing out that legally we don't even acknowledge female on male rape as rape (which statistically is comparable to male on female rape according to the CDC/NCVS: http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ ) So he was not saying it was okay, he was saying that the MeToo movement and women in general ignore the other half of the population, refusing to acknowledge them as victims as well. As for your comment, at which point did I ever suggest sexual assault or rape was okay?
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Have you ever been sexually harassed? I have. Have you ever been raped? I have, multiple times, I did not have a pleasant childhood so maybe you could get your head out of your backside and actually think for a second. You know damn well that no one here has suggested that it was okay. What has been stated is that the system is taken advantage of by bad women (Yes, bad women exist, just as good men exist (even if society and people like you refuse to believe it) so we need to acknowledge that. What your doing is sexism. I mean I understand that people like you don't see it as sexism because you don't see men as people (and quite frankly you don't even see women as human either) but that's what it is. Women can and do lie. Statistics show that half of the claims made are PROVABLE false, meaning either they have concrete irrefutable proof (i. e. video evidence or what have you), she admits she lied, or she retracts her claims. Innocent until proven guilty, its very simple.
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As a male who was actually sexually assaulted, I know how police treat these matters. Dismissively, to put it short. Even when you're only a boy, they straight up don't care. My Mother abused me my entire childhood and nobody ever cared enough to do anything. So to anyone who thinks that rape is even primarily a female issue: Get your head out of your own ass. So many male rapes go undocumented and unreported that it's hard not to think that men are the ones being singled out here. And sadly, even if it went to court- the woman rapist would actually have a legal leg to stand on and could very feasibly win the case- if not get a pathetically reduced sentence. Miss me with that female victim complex BS.
+1 yNot really because I was taught good manners and good dating advice as a kid and throughout my life. If it doesn’t work then why do it?
It’s a good conversation that needed to be heard but it needs to have guidelines on what we consider harassment and inappropriate behavior such as unwanted advances and stalking.
I think some guys honestly have no intention of hurting women and probably just made a bad decision in their actions such as hand on the lap or sexual flirting.
However the ones who feel entitled to women in some way are the ones who are scrambling like roaches when you turn the light on. The random dick pic sending, flirting repeatedly when they clearly state not interested then throw a temper if you get resistance is the ones I’m referring to.
if she says no bro, just move on to the next one, save that persistence shit when you two are already in a relationship, trust me guys you’re gonna need it 😂1419 Reply- +1 y
This 100%. You seem to get it. Especially about the part about the men who feel entitled to women. There seems to be a lot of those on here. Random pictures, check. Flirting repeatedly when clearly stated no interest, check. Temper tantrums, check. :D
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Yea I don’t understand that completely especially the entitled part because that’s some horse shit. It sounds like some flawed ideology if you ask me
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Poser.
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Thanks for most helpful
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@poser What? Lol
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You're most welcome :)
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Virtue signalling poser telling women what they want to hear. You sound, and look like one of the creepy dudes I knew grewing up who were dealing drugs to females.
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That sounds like a personal problem and I highly recommend suggesting talking to a therapist about it because it obviously still bothers you from your upbringing.
Now regarding my support on the movement, it’s a witch hunt for those who did things they weren’t supposed to do, my conscious is clean, how about yours? 😉 - +1 y
If you're assuming these are my personal problems, what are we to assume of you in what you said in your replies about dick pics, stalking, persistence flirting, and sexual harassment? Not too bright are ya?
You wouldn't happen to be one of those dudes who always walks around with a backpack, would you? - +1 y
I have never sent a random dick picture to anyone or even “accidentally “, I don’t stalk any girl or persistent flirted with a girl. Which I did say in my opinion is the ones who are the targets from this movement... so I think I’m bright as I can be 🤔.
I actually have a system for distribution but that’s for my special clients, did you want to subscribe to my services? - +1 y
"I actually have a system for distribution but that’s for my special clients, did you want to subscribe to my services?"
Oh my fucking god. Nice character judgement @cherryphi82, most helpful indeed. Maybe you should tell your boys to model after this guy. I'm sure your IT husband who you are so happy to be with will have zero say in the matter for the sake of being polite.
We're done here, boy. - +1 y
I detect some serious bitterness. Oh calm down, you’re in a safe circle where everyone loves you.
I never confirm or deny I sold illegal substances, maybe I’m a licensed pharmacist or someone sells weed in a state where it’s legal. Don’t go attacking the questioner because you feel some type of way about me.
I know you’re being serious but I’m nearly laughing too hard because i imagine you banging on your keyboard 😂 - +1 y
@love_conquers_lust Now I am reporting you... boy? you just can't get any lower, can you. What a loser.
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@cherryphi82 , don’t take it seriously because he’s being angry about something. They just didn’t hug him enough as a kid or something
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@love_conquers_lust Angry white guy with serious issues...
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Any day over you, asshole, any day.
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@cherryphi82 I thought he was bitter towards me only, I stand corrected
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Your original post was OK, but your true character is showing in the comments.
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@BigBlueBoat what do you mean
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+1 yNo. I'm in a committed relationship and I always view consent as Paramount
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1.4K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. As far as I've witnessed the #metoo movement was nothing more than a trend that has been and gone
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It was very important to the little girls and boys in the USA gymnastics team where they had to deal with pedophilia for 30+ years:
www.nytimes.com/.../...lympics-nassar-justice.html
I think your statement is a unfair to those who found so much strength from it.
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+1 yNope. Never had an interest before and less now.
even if I did, respect is always key. For self and others
It renders #METOO, null and void10 Reply - 685 opinions shared on Women's Day topic.
+1 yNo more than usual but I've been out of the dating scene for a few years anyways.
00 Reply 3.7K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. No... I don't know why it would
00 Reply2.6K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. No it has not, i was already aware you need multiple consent forms, video tapes of consent, blood samples at the moment she has given consent, a hair from both of you in laminated paper that says you consent, multiple eye witnesses when giving consent but also during the act to ensure consent is not violated. A lawyer present in the room at all times and consent from every family member before you are save from this nonsense.
Jokes aside people who actively take advantage of this are very cruel and it does mean you should think twice before having sex with someone you don't know well because as a guy the deck is stacked entirely in her favor where her claiming you did something wrong is enough to destroy your life.
But ultimately its a small group of very evil and sad individuals who exploit this so its not as bad as it may seem. Most people do not taking these minor things as sexual harassment but as good old flirting. And those who do take it like this go so far in the nature of dating that i can't help but think they will end up sad and lonely and once there biological clock starts ticking regret they didn't spend the time dating instead of scaring all there potential partners away with there indoctrinated nonsense.
Disclaimer: This is written knowing that the #metoo movement derailed and is now mostly used for feminist propaganda and to slander innocent people so they can participate by claiming they are violated because of the most ridiculous things. The original meaning of having a method of coming out as a rape victim was well intended, but its execution went off the rails.60 Reply1.1K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. It hasn't affected me in the least.
I work, or rather worked, in a job that was dominated by women. It wouldn't affect how I interact with them at all.
However, I was raised by parents who taught me not to interact with people in a way that might make them uncomfortable. Hence, I don't send dick pics, I don't grab people, I don't touch them in ways that would make a reasonable person feel uncomfortable.
Thus, good parents are worth a billion #metoo's. I have doubts the movement is having much affect on the socially awkward (or socially clueless).
For those who claim that the #metoo movement doesn't include things like unwanted hugs, awkward flirting, unwanted flirting, I say this: THINK AGAIN.
Yes, those things have been included by a minority in the #metoo movement. I was listening on NPR just last week to no less than Gloria Allred has filed sexual harassment charges for clients, some of which included unwanted hugs, unwanted flirting, and one (incredibly) was someone outstretching his arms as if to hug. So don't give me this, "Oh, things like that aren't included in the metoo movement." Yes, they *are* included by a small minority in the metoo movement. The fact that it's a small minority doesn't excuse it, and women in my opinion *should* be bothered with this, just as men should be bothered with guys who send unsolicited dick pics. Murder is committed by a small minority, but it bothers me. A small minority do include unwanted hugs in the metoo movement, and it bothers me.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIt hasn't really changes how I view potential romantic relationships. But I'm in ish the same boat as someone here. While I don't really point at the #metoo movement and say that people are lying, I what I do say is that a gender-spesific focus can never be right, whatever the facts in some areas may say. I've never sexually harrassed a woman. I use to say that genders are social constructs and that a woman and a man, can achieve the exact same thing in an ideal world where there are no discrimination. I don't mind women being businessleaders, political leaders, my boss or anything. Infact I want our society to be as equal as possible. I can go on and on about it really.
However, I do feel judged. I don't feel like I can flirt or almost talk with women without asking myself "does she see me as a potential sexual harrasser". I find it hard to ask my female friends out for coffee or just for a walk. Because I'm constantly asking myself if I in any way seem threatening. In other words, I feel like I'm some sort of monster, but a good monster that looks very evil. I don't know if my point gets across.
I see this as an internal thing, so I try not to reflect it outwards but it happens. Wish i could say everything.
Lastly, the numbers where i live of reported rapes is 14% females raped, 12% males raped. Is 50/50 perps being male/female20 Reply
+1 yHonestly? No. But that's because for one, I'm polite & respectful to women & men already. =) Two, I've never had a girlfriend. =P
BUT I'm more cautious now about being alone in a room with a girl of any age. I went on a 2 year Mormon mission, then on a mission there are lots of rules (& guidelines). If you're interested in a sample, DM me.
Anyways one was to keep the other missionary companion in line of sight, except anything involving restroom stuff of course. This rule is to protect any member or non-member from a stupid-acting missionaries (hey, they're still teenage boys). Also though, to protect the missionary from any false claims by non-members, OR members.
So now w/ #metoo even though I'm too nice of a guy, I'm beginning to be afraid to be by myself in the office w/ two women, help a little girl find her mom (like today), or the like. =(
I love the whole movement & awareness, but there are downsides people forget or even don't know about. =/
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I'm Mormon. No need to post racist blackface.
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... that was supposed to be a confused & scared "Carl Winslow" gif. 😛
And that's an actual person with dark skin, ever hear of the TV show "Family Matters"? 🤔 - +1 y
Yeah, who hasn't. You're still using blackface.
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Wait, what? Sorry, I don't understand. 🤔 "Blackface" is historically used to describe a person with white skin putting makeup on to look like they have dark skin.
The actor from Family Matters has ancestors from Africa. He legitimately has dark skin... 😕 - +1 y
He does. But you're a white person using a black person's image to express your emotions. On the internet, this counts as blackface.
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Interesting you saw it that way, not how I saw or see it at all. 🤔 Though I see your point.
It doesn't matter what color someone's skin is, if it's a good applicable gif then I'd use it. 🙂 Personally I think the whole concept of "race" is dumb 😝, we're all human just with different tones of skin & different shapes of faces. Culture is what matters, and there's so many different kinds of culture with good aspects that it's fun to learn about and absorb what good one can into their own. 😊
Absurd.
Less than 90% of #MeToo even mentions a name to begin with, tf. People are so damn paranoid from what I see in the responses from guys on this post. You’re more likely to be in a fatal car accident than being falsely accused. Doesn’t stop you from driving though does it?
And I’m somehow bad for being involved in the #MeToo movement (not even mentioning any name) from actually having been raped? ffs gimmie a break 😑 No ones just gonna accuse you of rape for saying hi to them, geez, no need to be so goddamn irrational. Paranoia at its finest.85 Reply- +1 y
Well to be fair, if you get accused/name called, the man and in rare cases, the woman's life is usually devoided of all credibility... that's as good as a death sentence with no reprieve. Fatal car accidents sure... but no point worrying about it because it is an accident, on the other hand the #MeToo can be abused and used with malice. But, I do agree that most men might be taking a mile too far in terms of what may happen, but I cannot discount the sheer potential of loss that comes with it.
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@Nivinxus I did try to call my rapist out just after it had happened but nothing happened to him, it was useless. He's living his life as normal, completely unaffected, and even though people know and some weren't even surprised about it, many are still friends with him anyway. Not every name calling has an effect, in many cases it actually doesn't and for many you're just seen as someone who "most likely fucked him and regretted it" when that was far from the case.
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Nope. Iono much except what the tv tells me, and so, iono if the media messed up #metoo's core message, but from what the media is showing, it goes to show how some women really need to be educated about what justifies harassment, and what does not. Lots of gals do not seem to know where the line is. Metoo is ironic, suggesting women need to school their sisters on proper social conducts and etiquettes.
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@tlxiong14 I don't watch TV so I don't know what they say about MeToo. But I do agree that plenty of women need a better definition of what "harassment" actually means. Some of the things they call "harassment" does make me laugh and cringe. But nevertheless, actual sexual harassment isn't that uncommon at all, but its not so "criminal" as some seem to make it out to be, or maybe Im just so numb to it because of how often it happens and how it doesn't even compare to other things.
Well I was MGTOW before this anyways but what you are going to see men are going to distance themselves from women. More and more men are discovering MGTOW everyday and the MeToo movement these women are just shooting themselves in the foot. It’s one thing if you got sexually assaulted yesterday and notify the authorities but years later? Personally I feel the women who are in this movement are nothing but bitter women who can’t shame men anymore and now they are using false allegations. Then these are the same women who wonder where all have the good men gone? You chased them away dumbass!
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yMetoo has just added more reassurance on why i dont talk to random women on the street. I found one cool female and i am sticking to her. I dont need anymore women in my life anyways. I have some guy friends, a cool female and my family but THATS IT. If i have kids i will tell them the same thing. Stick with one you trust and Dont acknowledge the rest and move on with your life. There is no excuse for this horrible behavior. Men are human beings and we shouldn't have to be worried about stupid things like this.
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Good, why would you even want to talk to random women on the street? I could say the same: Women are human being and we shouldn't have to be worried about stupid things like [sexual harassment].
Opinion Owner+1 yWell lets see, why would i have to talk to random women on the street? You see, i grew up in the suburbs where everyone would say hi to eachother no matter what group race gender or age they belonged too. This was before society went to crap and peoples minds went tainted. So why would men say hi to people? Its the humane thing to do which is Socialize. If i work with a girl then i will only speak if she asks me something, besides that im not saying anything else. I dont care if your paranoid, i have my own back to watch now. Good luck with everything
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Seems to me like you are mad that you can't inappropriately hit on women anymore and get away with it. Simply greeting a neighbor is not a crime. You are creating a strawman.
Opinion Owner+1 yI already told you i have one female that i am sticking to and i am happy with that. It seems to my that you are apart of this movement and a potential false accusor. I have never acted in a harsh with any women, not even men. I actually have morals unlike you who just paints people in a light with no context over a text on a social media site. Get off your high horse. There is no strawman here
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Says the guy who just called me "a potential false accusor". Classic.
Opinion Owner+1 yBecause you literally just told me that i inappropriately hit on women when i have never done that in my life. You did that based off a couple messages, thank god im not in the same workplace as you. You are a disgusting person to even pull such a pathetic tactic. With that said, im going before you accuse me of something else.
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Good riddance...
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@cherryphi82 You seem to be one of these people who are the reason as for why men, but also a lot of women seem to be against the feminist ideology. Give me exactly one reason as for why you shouldn't greet a stranger you walk past on the street. Or god forbid, a stranger who so happens to be a woman?
You seem to be kinda radical in your beliefs, so I'd really like to get an understanding on how you think and reason, just like how I've looked through Elliot Rodgers manifesto, to see what led him to comit the acts of terror that he did, or how I've gone to womens marches, communist events and alt-right gatherings to get a bigger understanding on their point of view. - +1 y
@LillKrull You just compared me to Elliot Rodgers... good riddance.
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@LillKrull Have you read all my comments?
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Totally in agreement with the guy who wrote this opinion. Get yourself one good gal you can trust and let the others get on with their lives it's not worth the hassle of interacting with them.
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@cherryphi82 All your comments on this post? No. I have however read this opinion thread, which tells me enough about you that I need to know.
@fap_pa_ap_pap_paper Same here, although sticking to someone, does not exclude strating friendly conversations with people, and meeting people who you might have something in common with. Male or female. - +1 y
@LillKrull Of course avoiding talking to other men and women entirely is impossible, especially in my line of work where collaboration is envitable but you can usually tell who you will get along with just by looking at them and keeping those conversations to strictly professional and those who might no be so uptight and prudish as friends and socialise with outside of work is ideal.
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I disagree. By talking to people who you won't get along with, they can give you their perspective of the world. I knew what I was getting myself into when posting on this opinion. I'd say meeting a big variation of people is the best thing to do, and while possible on the internet, it's better in real life.
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Right I see what you mean now. I think talking to people from different walks of life is fine as long as they are open to a different opinion or take on the matter. Just getting out of the hell hole that was an arts uni was a relief as everyone was a hypocrite saying "be open to other ideas" God forbid someone voice a statement like "maybe not" to their views. Those hypocrites are those who I like to avoid in social life I have friends who I disagree with daily but that compromise of but okay we can think differently is key.
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@LillKrull If you already know everything about me, then why I ask my perspective?
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@cherryphi82 Again, I didn't say that. Stop taking my words out of context. I know what I need to know about you as for what type of a person you are. I don't know you personally (which quite frankly, I'm glad I don't). I just wonder, how your mind came to the conclusion that the best thing that I as a man can do when walking past a woman (or a man for that matter, but since it was women you were talking about originally, I'm sticking that) is to shut up and don't say anything at all. Most of the time you won't even engage in a conversation.
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@LillKrull Because you're putting up a strawman. It's not about people saying an innocuous hi to each other, it's about there being an expectation and an intention on the part of the man that a woman owes you exuberance or gratitude not only being noticed, but for being objectified. I don't need to engage in conversation with people who call me expletives.
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I strongly recommend you to watch Shoe0nHeads latest video. https://youtu.be/6BU-Beof9hU it kinda sounds as if you're describing what she in the video classed as "Nice guys". If that's the case, then please keep in mind that a majority of us aren't that idiotic. Yes, there are those types of men, but that's a clear minority, and judging a whole group based on a minority, is like judging all muslims based off of ISIS. Which is quite common among the alt-right.
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@LillKrull You keep making correlations and then say you don't. You just hypothetically linked me to the alt-right... And yes, I do agree with much of what this girl says --- BUT I judge based off guys' individual actions. There is something such as an innocuous hi because it's a greeting, and then there's a hi that comes with an expectation, as I already stated, of having something returned. The OP said he wasn't going to talk OR *TOUCH* women in public anymore. There are very few instances in which it is appropriate to touch someone you don't know in public. The OP's entire post is dripping with attitude and expectation. It's the whole - well if you're like that, I'm not going to be nice anymore. As if women *deserved* hostility until proven otherwise. That I have a huge problem with. And, sad to say, but a huge chunk of guys are that idiotic. That's why I keep to the minority of guys who get it, because although their numbers maybe few, I'm happy to count those to my circle.
Opinion Owner+1 y"As if women deserved hostility until proven otherwise"
I am not being hostile at all, in fact i am taking the passive route. I didn't say i would treat random with in a mean way, i just said there is nothing to gain so i won't make any advances in a friendly way. Let me rephrase this for a moment, i have no problems with women, i do have a problem with women like you though who accused me earlier of acting inappropriate with women. You are apart of the problem, and you are one of many who make people feel uneasy socially. The problem is you cannot weed out the fake from the genuine, so why should i even entertain the thought of putting myself at risk of false accusations? I dont even know you and you accused me with no context or actual proof. Its not that we are idiots, its that you are to blinded to see your own flaws.
Opinion Owner+1 yAnd i muted this post, but got notifications from a bunch of other guys. Glad to see im not the only one. Op, we are not idiots for being cautious of your type, in fact we are waking up to the reality of the tactics that you use to gain a upper hand. I never said anything about not being able to "touch" women in public, that changes the entire point of my tone. Stop twisting peoples words around and stop false accusing because i can't take your pseudo progressiveness seriously.
Opinion Owner+1 yTone of my point*
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OP - Where did I accuse you of anything?
Opinion Owner+1 y"Seems to me like you are mad that you can't inappropriately hit on women anymore and get away with it. "
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That's true for most men on here. Look at all the temper tantrums being thrown.
Opinion Owner+1 yExcept i never did that, and what you are saying is just a baseless assertion. With that said its clear you feel no remorse or understanding for your unwarranted statements to someone like me who wouldn't go out their way to hurt anybody. Just imagine, if i told you the same thing with no context.
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Except, I didn't accuse you. You created a strawman, I called you out on it.
Opinion Owner+1 yYou can't call me out on something i didn't do? I get it now, you are just a pathological liar.
Opinion Owner+1 yAnd you clearly dont know what a strawman is. Just stop alreafy.
Opinion Owner+1 yAlready*
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Another angry white dude with serious issues...
Opinion Owner+1 yIm not even white. You just keep making yourself look worse.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 y''Going up to a girl in a library and saying: "Hey, can I ask what book you're reading" is totally different from "Hey baby girl, looking mighty fine today, care to come up to my apartment"... ''
What a load of bs. If that woman in the library decided that asking what book she was reading was inappropriate, then that;s what it would be... she could easily say she felt threatened, or the guy was acting in a manner that made her uncomfortable. This is something women cannot seem to understand.
You seem to forget that a man has been arrested for looking into a pharmacy window in the general direction of a woman... and the woman claimed he was starring at her..
The fact is this. It does not matter how or what you say, it can be interpreted and over blown as harassment. A man's best option is to simply stay away period.124 Reply- +1 y
No, there is always a backstory, and it's mostly of a man not reading social cues or interpreting the situation wrong. Take responsibility for yourselves. It's not that hard.
Opinion Owner+1 yAs I said, a man's best option is to simply stay away period. That is him taking responsibility for himself, and it also removes any chance of improper social cue reading or interpreting a situation wrong.
I think that's the most efficient method and completely removes any concerns for the woman too.
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In that case, I agree!
Opinion Owner+1 yMe too!
I don't think so. It makes me lose a lot of respect for women though. They constantly want to be the victim. There's many women who voluntarily have relationships with their superiors or trade sexual favors for career advancement, and then years later they spin it around to make it look like abuse. Why not go to the police? Harvey Winesteins still making movies and Matt Lauer is probably drinking pina coladas on some beach somewhere. These women have no interest in bringing sexual abusers to justice and just want to take a crap on men.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yYes. I already got anxiety to approach anyone, because I think it's unwanted, stayed alone until I was 27, am still very alone.
Now it's even worse with the additional fear of being accused just for asking her out, and making any steps towards her at all, because anything could be unwanted.
Might be a good movement for women to vent their experience, but it won't stop any of the guys who do these things, and is an awful movement for nice guys who now will feel even more restrained to make any move at all.90 Reply- 7.5K opinions shared on Women's Day topic.
+1 yNo, I don't see why it should have. I view sexual assault as exactly the same as I did before the metoo thing, wouldn't do it without consent.
The actual likelihood of ever being involved in a case of a false rape allegation are infinitesimal. There is no point in refraining from doing things you might enjoy because of an incredibly small chance of anything bad happening.
As of right now, I also have not seen any shifts in the juristic system regarding innocence until proven guilty or whatsoever. So the actual chance of a false allegation of rape ending into a sentence is even smaller.
I don't see why I should look differently at potential romantic relationship. If you don't commit sexual assault, the chances of you being accused of it - like in the metoo thing - are neglectable.60 Reply - 428 opinions shared on Women's Day topic.
+1 yNo. That doesn't mean some need to learn to keep their hands and inappropriate comments to themselves. Because this movement was born from the older generation, I'd say it was more intended for them where it's more prevalent. I hope the younger generations are more ahead of the curve and regard this kind of sexually inappropriate behavior innately unethical.
It is a bitch though maintaining a professional, platonic relationship when an attractive girl dresses provocatively in the workplace while trying to treat her as a person. To me, that's cruel, unfair, and irresponsible on a girl's part. I think most who are secure have that figured out though. And what's considered provocative varies from environment to environment. If you are outside in the heat sweating profusely, no one should be forced to cover up and risk heat stroke. That's stupid. So it would be expected to bare more skin. In a climate controlled office, those rules are different. Applies to both sexes.625 Reply- +1 y
Agree with the first part. Why is it hard for you to treat a girl who dresses a certain way as a person? I have no problem treating attractive guys as a people even if they walked around shirtless and in a manthong.
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"Why is it hard for you to treat a girl who dresses a certain way as a person?" Because I have a dick and they have lots of things I like. Here's an example, I sat down in HR with our HR manger who wasn't particularly attractive visually and probably about 100 pounds overweight. But she was a nice lady and wore this shirt that while it may have been comfortable for her, it showed quite a bit of her cleavage being a larger women. Honest to god, I was looking at her right in the eyes while she was talking and my eyes drifted downward periodically. It's difficult. She didn't chastise me or fire me or anything. And I got the information I needed from the meeting. It's just different.
"I have no problem treating attractive guys as a people even if they walked around shirtless and in a manthong." Glad you can manage.
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Why does it matter that she was overweight?
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Ultimately it didn't. Don't you understand? I still glanced. Had she not revealed that, wouldn't have happened.
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Once, yes, twice, no. It is very challenging to dress an overweight and/or voluptuous body. I doubt this woman wanted to give you a view. It is in your power to look away.
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Then maybe we should have spoken with our backs to each other. You're being overbearing and not understanding. I already said I still listened to her. I'm glad I had the meeting with her and not you at this point.
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Ad hominem trolling. Classic. Good riddance...
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How does anything I said warrant you calling me a name. I calmly stated my opinion. You start throwing expletives.
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The only person here proving himself continually uncivilized is you.
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Lady, I've shared with you more than you deserve. Burn some more bridges while you're at it. That's what bandits do.
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Burn some bridges with who? We never had a bridge...
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You don't care what others have to say. You had my comments removed. Sounds like bridge burning to me.
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And I'm reading through your other comments. Do you have sons? Because I'm surprised by the lack of compassion and understanding of boys from a mother.
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@love_conquers_lust I did not have your comments removed. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. And why bring my kids into this.
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"Everyone's entitled to their opinion." But apparently not everyone is entitled to expressing it.
I ask because you are cruising through these comments mocking men and chastising them for having testosterone. Have you ever moved 5 tons of shit by hand in a day? Have you ever roofed a house? Have you ever wired a room? Have you ever done carpentry? Have you ever maintained or modified a vehicle? Have you ever worked in a plant? Have you ever swung a shift? Have you ever worked in 110° heat? Have you ever poured and formed concrete? Have you ever welded? Have you ever harvested crops? Have you ever chopped down a tree? Have you ever pulled double shifts?
I guess this is the male privilege or "power" women speak of. This shit is hard work and takes work. And testosterone is the potent hormone that empowers us to accomplish such shitty tasks. It's also the same damn chemical that drives our attraction to women. With mechanization and automation, these tasks are increasingly being... - +1 y
... outsourced to machinery. What are men to do with all this energy and no useful place to exert it? So men are forced to dial it back and decrease their testosterone levels (which is happening by the way) to adapt to the rise of White collar work. Which also happens to dampen our attraction to women. So it's no god damn wonder women are being pressured into being hyper feminized to compensate. In this modern era, it's easier than ever for women to do so and you are complaining about what little work you have to put into it. And you want to sit there and criticize me for looking at a women's chest? I say again, fuck off. Let's see if this comment gets removed.
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What does you looking at a woman's chest have to do with my ability to appreciate the hard work *some* men do? I called you out on a behavior. Looking at a woman's chest, especially, choosing to look back if you've already looked once, per accident, is something you choose, not a reflex. Where I do agree is that especially boys' natural exuberance and even aggression is being pathologized in our society, exemplified in our whole school-to-prison pipeline, and that that needs an outlet. But that does not warrant checking women out inappropriately. We teach our boys that is they who have to keep themselves in check, not the girl or her dress style, that it's inappropriate to stare at girls and that there is not such thing as a good girl/bad girl. That girls/women are just people, like every body else, and that they have thoughts, feelings, opinions, aptitudes and predilections just like they do. I have not yet had any problems with my teenage sons acting out in any such manner.
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What I also hear out of your statements is that you do not respect work that is more academic or head/brain centered, but more physical. Physical labor is hard and can beat up your body, and there is a lot of value in it, but it is not of higher value. I also disagree on why women are hyperfeminized. It is not just a recent phenomenon, it has always been this way. Look at the Victorian era women with their wasp waist stays and their big rump dresses. Many overlapping issues conflate with women's rights... it's not just about women, it's also about disabled people, people of color, gender non-conforming people, and boys and men who are sexually abused/assaulted.
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And again, I did not report or remove your comments.
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*some* men?" Watch your mouth.
"I have not yet had any problems with my teenage sons acting out in any such manner." I doubt you know your own sons. I guarantee they are checking out females left and right under your nose. Either that or you are one of the pathologists abusing them.
You are throwing a fit over suggesting women being told to adhere to a dress code when I have had to abide by one at just about every job I have had. Oh "ladies love a man in uniform" but god forbid we hold women to the same standard. And you're making a mountain out of a mole hill for a guy looking... FUCKING LOOKING. How fucking stupid are you? It's not staring, it's not oogling, it's not gawking, it's a fucking glance. Pull your head out of your ass. I'm not your kid. Dial back the Mom mode crap.
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The only one who has to watch his mouth is you. You are dishing out expletives left and right and making personal attacks. I have only called you out on your behavior. In no other way have I judged you.
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"I have only called you out on your behavior. In no other way have I judged you." Lie. Unless you want to clarify the meaning of *some*. I say again, watch your mouth.
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Sure. Only some men who do the kind of physical labor you speak of. My husband is an IT guy. He works at a desk mostly. He does none of which you describe, and he's still a hard worker. So you basically offend all the guys who are white collar and enjoy it. But I'm thinking what you were trying to go for is that men are physically stronger than women, which I actually agree with.
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No, explain the asterisks. There was zero offense in what I said about White collar work except what you assumed. I said men did it out of necessity.
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To my understanding, asterisks are used to bolden/emphasize a certain word. a) Not all men work in physical labor. b) Not all men work hard.
+1 yIt's more about men in positions of authority over women, who abuse that power by making a woman's career success or failure contingent on a sexually related demand.
These men know exactly what they are doing and that it's wrong, but have done it and gotten away with it, because they knew their power would also give them an advantage, if anyone were to accuse them of misconduct. They knew these women's word wouldn't be believed over their own.
It's the blatent abuse of power, that is the biggest issue.10 Reply863 opinions shared on Women's Day topic. Nope. Seems a pretty pointless “movement” to me.
I was raped before it was “popular”. Nobody supported me before, I had to learn to be a person again alone. Now this hashtag comes alone and it does naff all difference. Doesn’t stop me being raped. Doesn’t change the way men act. Doesn’t change anyone’s viewpoint.70 ReplySexodus. all these movements have gone way to far, there is no rape culture, society does not promote rape. people are buying way to much into media, Remember it takes 2 too tango, even if the party is under the influence, they know what they are getting into. Feminism has destroyed marriage, relationships and dating, its even gone into a behavioural/approach hostility environment where one sex (Males) is being punished becuase we are males. yea i do think that women having equal rights is fine, pushing it to this level is absurd and proves nothing, Women have set them up for failure so badly becuase, once this comes into effect, women will find it harder to seek out mates becuase men will want nothing to do with them, any women that complains about MGTOW is hypocritical becuase their feminist movements have created it in response to them, everything has an effect in society, both sexes need to fight against feminism and mgtow and remove is from society
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNot necessarily. But it further proves how much of a cancerous movement feminism really has become, and how anyone who decries themself as a feminist nowadays is considered a toxic endeavor to understand and be friends with.
It's a waste of time, because isn't about woman's rights anymore. Feminism is now about fighting the nature of our biology to love the opposite sex, and making the lives of young men completely miserable, because a so called "Rape Culture" claims all men are predatory.
It's shameful how these feminists are content with ruining these men's lives.66 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yThat's all well and good. But the reason you think they're extremes, is because the media has confused people generally to believe in the diversity of how people think and live is slim, and that we're all fairly the same. Not all men have lift weights, play sports, or fish, nor do not all women knit, cook, and clean.
My point is, the mindset of these feminists poison others with selfish, victim mindsets. Most of them are so narcissistic, they would rather blame someone else for their own problems, instead of taking responsibility like a mature adult would.
It just comes to show how degraded the movement really has become. Feminism truly is cancer.
Opinion Owner+1 yYes, there are different types of feminism, but what I'm trying to say is the majority of the feminist movement nowadays, is third wave feminism, and is cancerous as a result. You're referring to second wave feminism, which refers to the movement of liberation of woman stuck in gender roles moving into the workforce. First Wave Feminism dates back to the suffrage movement.
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+1 yThese answers are a little bit paranoid. I would say that people are abusive about the movement because they are using it as an excuse to kill careers. And in the big Hollywood cases it’s probably true because some of these directors diddle kids. I would also say that the #metoo also includes men. Assault is more common than people would like to admit and I would advice people to evaluate each case separately
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+1 yYes, mainly it makes me not want to initiate or flirt with a girl because all it will take is one false accusation to ruin my life. The #MeToo movement has shown that no matter what women will always be believed and it doesn't matter how suspicious the circumstances are or the complete lack of evidence, society as a whole will always side with her against men. Its not a very good thing.
90 Reply I mean NO OFFENSE, at all, to any women that were taken advantage of, groped, raped, or abused, OK?
What bothers me, is that one comes out, and says some guy did this, then others come out, saying he did similar things, 10-20 years ago.
I DON'T understand women, at all, and I can't even imagine what that kind of abuse is like, but if it happened, 20 years ago, why didn't they say something then? It just seems like a conspiracy, to trash some guy, when he did something horrible to a woman, recently, then dozens come in with the 'he did that to me too', but a long time ago.
Ladies, I adore you, respect you, and I would NEVER do any of these things that some have been accused of, but could someone explain why so many wait, literally decades, to come out and say they were assaulted? And why is it only when someone in the news, gets accused?
Some women, have also been recently accused, firing male assistants, when they didn't seem to comply with her invitations.22 Reply- +1 y
Easier said than done. Coming out is incredibly difficult. Even more so if its a well respected and loved person. You feel this kind of intense shame of what happened and somehow you very often end up blaming yourself for what happened, so you don't want to bring it up, or you have lost hope that anyone will even take you serious, or will judge you, and you just try to shove what happened away to forget about it, but you're not actually fully moving on.
When someone eventually has the courage to come out about it you come to the realisation that actually, maybe it wasn't your fault that you were raped after all and you're just one of their victims. Numbers give confidence in people to come forward about what happened to them.
A large majority will not take the first step, but after one has, other victims will quite often follow.
The reason they come forward when someone's on the news is because thats often the only way they find out that someone's come forward.
As someone who was wrongly accused. Yes it does. When I was a young man I worked as a Security guard and a Fire Fighter First Responder. I was working as a Security guard when a female asked me a medical questions because of some of the medical questions I had to ask she went to her boss and I got terminated for sexual harassment. After they furthered the investigation I was offered my job back and she got terminated but it still showes that some woman lie for attention.
150 Reply1.9K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. I am in an exclusive relationship and the movement doesn't effect that. As far as day to day, this witch hunt mentality effects everyone. The fact that women can destroy a man's career, social standing, and political ambitions on her word alone is disturbing. There is no doubt that sexual harassment exists, that people are molested, and that rape does happen and it can be deviating to the victim. But we need to balance victim's rights with the rights of an accused person to be able to defend themselves. An accusation does not equate guilt or even that an act happened. The #MeeToo movement has forgotten about the rights of the accused.
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+1 yAt my job, I'm much more wary of letting any of my female collegues be alone with me in a room. I am not keen on losing my job because a vindictive underling is mad at me for my telling them to actually do their damned job.
My place of work has already had two men fired in this way. One was an actual case of sexual harrasment, the other was a cashier asking for a date. But it made the girl "uncomfortable", so the boy was termed.
If I must be alone with an underling, I feel like I have to set my phone to record the conversation at this point.
My brother, a secretary at a massage parlor, got fired because he had a feud with a bitchy co-worker. As soon as the movement hit the national stage, she used it to fire him.
In general, I don't trust women as much as I used to, and it definitely colors wether or not I take the plunge and approach any these days.00 ReplyNo, a friend of mine voluntarily went on a afternoon fuckfest with 2 middle aged men. 2 months later she accused a dude she was making out with that he's a pig for suggesting they go to his place after prom.
And she and other girls didn't even see that as weird. The only girl that called her out was more of a hater and said she was selfish.
Women, and their fickle values and behaviours changed how I look at potential romantic relationships. I've seen women go from harpie to perfect guest un seconds just because a stranger entered the room.
Women the emotionally closer you are to a woman, the more she asks of you and the shittier she behaves.
A stranger, will not be accused of rape, a 30 minute hookup in a bathroom will not be considered abusive, because it's in the head o passion. But let that heat disipate, cool down and slow down... and have a huge conversation and the expectations go way up like it's the 1800s.70 Reply
+1 yYup... Just don't bother, because even if you do everything you can to be nice and show respect, any girl with an agenda and a chip on their shoulder will claim anything as an "Unwanted Advance" and throw you under the bus for 15 mins of fame & attention.
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+1 yApparently due process doesn't exist in this country when women decide it's time for another witch hunt.
Doesn't matter cause I don't have female friends, don't get laid, I love single and gave up on relationships so this doesn't really affect me. I wasn't going to approach a woman anyway since I already knew we could have a consensual relationship that eventually she redacted into a victim scenario. I watched my parents go through it so this is nothing new to me, feminism has always done this.
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+1 yYes it's taught men that women are to be avoided at all costs. It's sad really.
Woman has sex with man
Woman regrets that sex many years later,
Woman puts it on social media
Man is tried and convicted before any proof is heard, worst of all it's in the court of public opinion not a judicial court.
Man's life is ruined.
Me too is a witch hunt no more no less. It's an exorcise in doing everything they can to destroy men's lives.160 Reply
+1 yWell, in the sense that a feminist writing about it pissed me off to the extent that I was hostile to a female colleague who was flirting with me, thus immediately ending the flirting, yes, it has. I'm fine about victims coming forward, I hate that feminists-for-hire turn it into a war of the sexes. As if lots of the victims weren't male.
70 ReplyYes. I will never date a feminist because if anything I do can even remotely be construed as bad sex I will lose my job and be publicly shamed should the relationship end.
Just too dang risky. Only conservative girls for this guy it seems...130 ReplyStrange how MeeToo now makes men act like Vice president Pence: never be alone in a room with a woman. What's next? Segregation of sexes in education and work?
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Honestly, a lot of women would feel more safe that way if it were AN OPTION for public transits and schools (where most women have to deal with sexual assault or discrimination; like being a distraction to men). If it was pure segregation with no options... that wouldn't be fair to the men and little boys who also get raped by men.
I know that i'd, personally, feel more safe and comforted knowing that my little sister, mother and I would be safe away from male harassment if we were provided those options. - +1 y
@sugarchateau I have to agree. But what would even be nicer is if we could live peacefully together, if only people would just take responsibility for their own actions.
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Yeah, ideally. lol.
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Okay well, clearly, you haven't been kicked out of class (interrupting your own time for education) for your choice of clothes because an older male teacher sent you to the office for what he reported was too revealing and distracting... when it was just capri shorts. Maybe you didn't have to deal with male adults sexualizing you, but it is still important.
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Hmm, so my sex does not give me the right to be moral?
Ever heard of dress code? Just wait till you get to work in a professional environment.
Your generation seems to think that dressing up any way you like is you right. Problem is, you don't know your responsibilities! Your responsibility (regardless of sex, age, etc) is to dress appropriately. Would you wear bikini to church? Would you wear hot pants for a job interview? No? So what is appropriate for education environment? Does your school have a dress code? Do you follow it? - +1 y
Sent to the office for wearing capri shorts? Are you kidding me?
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I never said that you weren't moral... I said maybe you didn't have the same experiences...
Capri shorts do make the dress code and men have been wearing shirts that sexualize females on it with their cartoon tits out but haven't been sent to the office for disrupting anything. How is that fair? I do follow dress code and modestly... I dont even wear a bikini, ever. Capri shorts are 1 inch above the knee... Why are you being so closed-minded? honestly?
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+1 yKind of... All its done is make me more picky about who I want to date. I have certain things that I look for. And then the rest of the women I don't necessarily trust... So I mean sure they know and see as little of me as possible. A man works too hard and can get it taken so easily if you are even PRECIEVED to have done something wrong in the sexual department.
150 Reply In my opinion, most women are confessing the most insignificant negative sexual behavior, only because its gone mainstream now. There are many much more worse cases but they remain hidden from the society because there are lots of other slightly rougher than normal, which, for some reason, are more interesting to the audience. This is seriously getting out of hand. There can’t be so much abuse and rape. It’s not normal.
40 Reply537 opinions shared on Women's Day topic. Yes, I'm not going to approach women in public. I will never comment on their appearance. And I will not touch them. And if a woman wants a kiss on the first date, she better make it obvious. I'm not placing myself in any situation like that.
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All good choices. There are generally very few good reasons to comment on women's appearances in public let alone touch them.
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Hmm... well, I haven't dealt with this problem in a long time, but I know that if you pay attention to social cues and context, there shouldn't be any confusion. It is, for example, never appropriate to comment on a woman's appearance, however benign, in a boardroom meeting. It is just simply unprofessional. Going up to a girl in a library and saying: "Hey, can I ask what book you're reading" is totally different from "Hey baby girl, looking mighty fine today, care to come up to my apartment"...
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The dating world can include the workplace. A lot of people meet there. I gave you an example on how to approach and not to approach in a different setting.
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I don't think you understand why it's inappropriate. Why is it so hard to just say "Hi, how are you?" Why does it have to include a comment on appearance? Again, if you have any understanding of social cues, this shouldn't be a problem.
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A simple Hi can be labeled as harassment. Try being stereotyped as a rapist simply because of your gender on a daily basis. It will drastically change how you interact with the opposite sex.
As we've seen in the news recently, men are supposed to know the difference between positive body language that is real, and positive body language that isn't real. I'm just simply not going to approach women in person, instead initiating conversation online, so there is a clear record as to what was said. I don't understand why this is so offensive to women that men take proactive steps to prevent harassment. - +1 y
I'm not offended, however, you seem to be. I asked a question, you answered, then I answered yours in turn, with which you weren't happy. I'm congratulating you on the fact that you are not going to approach women with inappropriate compliments or touches. Good for you. Don't do it. That *is* harassment. Repeated flirting when someone clearly states no interest is harassment. So is sending random dick pictures or throwing a tantrum when you meet resistance from a woman. I'm giving you some clear guidelines. Take it or leave it, the consequences are in your hands.
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You're wrong.
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Look at the youtube videos of whats considered "catcalling" there a lot of "hey how are you" comments that make the video. Social cues? Men are not mind readers. If a women is looking at me i know there is a big chance she likes me, but at the same time i dont go by cues because i dont play that childs game game. Say what you want and use words if you like someone, you are an adult. Most guys dont want to approach girls on the street and its completely reasonable and he is not wrong for being cautious.
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@livinglikelarry223 Then don't approach. But don't complain about it if not a hoard of women approaches you either, especially not the ones you like.
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I don't think many are. At least not in my age range. Do you see me complaining?
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Nobody is complaining sunshine, i am telling you that you shouldn't be giving him all this flack for being cautious. He can't be wrong if you never lived a day in his shoes. You dont understand that feeling and you never will. I am however lucky to find someone who i actually trust and we are great friends though.
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@livinglikelarry223 Ah... really. Sunshine. How condescending of you. And you never lived a day in mine.
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Lol!!! Look my point still stands, you can't tell someone they are wrong just because you dont agree. You dont understand that feeling he has, i do though being a man and all but asker you are not a man which is why you can probably never understand the reason why we are so paranoid to approach. Its basically like, some girls want us to be assertive, then the others dont. Its hard to dish that out and subtle signals get misinterpreted. You are right though, i dont speak on your experiences because i know im not a women..
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@livinglikelarry223 I'm not faulting men for being proactive and cautious, but it seems that guys particularly don't want to understand what specific behaviors are inappropriate and why. I will say it again: I'm not complaining about initiative. I am bothered by the lack of willingness to understand *why* something is inappropriate or looking at the backstory that transpired that led to an inappropriate actions. In some cases, a simple Hi can be inappropriate. I have no problem meeting assertive men who have learned how to interact not just with women but people in general. It's also interesting that if men show paranoia, it is warranted, but if a woman says she feels paranoid about going outside and being catcalled, it's because women are overly emotional and have "unstable" moods. Very interesting, indeed.
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"I'm not faulting men for being proactive and cautious, but it seems that guys particularly don't want to understand what specific behaviors are inappropriate and why."
Which guys? Guys are not a collective force and every situation isn't the same. A simple look at a girl can have you stigmatized as a potential pervert depending on the women. I understand how to behave, but some women also lack that sense of morality because they are human. This is not a one sided issue. On one hand there are bad guys out there, but calling for a witch hunt does not combat the problem but make it worse.
Also, i didn't try to justify the catcalling situation when it actually turns into harassment. The only thing i addressed was when people got offended off of someone saying hi. People have freedom of speech whether you want to interpret and overthink a situation. It becomes a problem when someone is putting your life in danger of saying something disrespectful. - +1 y
And it also becomes a problem when people are to scared to say hi because you may read into their tone and think "does he really mean that" think for a second, do you honestly think that this is a healthy environment for men or women to grow up in? Whats next? Will people start barricading their houses?
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@livinglikelarry223 I can make the exact same argument: Which women? Women aren't a collective force and every situation isn't the same.
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Thats why i said depending on the women. Once people start realizing that situations are bot dualistic then we can start alienating groups of people and actually work on the problem together. This movement is making people feel more uneasy than before though. Its not helping.
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Then we can stop alienating groups of people my bad lol.
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@livinglikelarry223 You know what. Welcome to the world of a woman. We live with this fear of being accosted, of being shamed, of being put down, of being paranoid whether our actions are misunderstood all. the. fucking. time. People *have* already started barricading their houses. White flight is an outgrowth of exactly that. And I disagree. This movement *is* helping. It's obviously weeding out the wheat from the chaff.
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So? And who make up the majority of victims to crime? MEN. You made it clear what side you are on. You aren't for the cause, you are just hunting for peoples heads. With that said, i dont care about your self absorbed posts of righteousness. I know i am a good person who has never caused any threat to anyone so everything you told me does not apply to me. I dont feel guilty and i won't let you bring me down with you. Good bye and have a nice day
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@livinglikelarry223 Ah, now come the ad hominems. The only person who is self-absorbed here is you. I have been patiently explaining and educating you. It is for you to take it or leave it, but remember that you have to live with the consequences of your actions. And, just to be clear, men are also the main perpetrators of crime.
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"Oh men are the main perpetrators of crimes so that means that its morally right to undermine male victims" you didn't educate anything. You just talk a bunch of nothing. You are all talk and no facts.. This time i am muting you.
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@livinglikelarry223 Good riddance...
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNo #METOO is a joke, you can tell it is by the hypocrite celebrities involved in it. I think after the 2016 election people are tired of Hollywood preaching morality.

70 Reply4.6K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. It's made me want to "screen" women more to make sure they're not these psychos that'll falsely accuse me of rape just because they got in a disagreement with me/I put my hand on their shoulder/whatever.
Women are becoming more and more aware of the legal and social power they have over men. It's important for men these days not to get married, not to cohabitate in common law states, not to share bank accounts, etc.92 Reply- +1 y
Well this is a very severe problem in the west, countries outside don't give them the same amount of bias but it's still there, just not as severe at least from what I've seen that's the case
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@Johnbadman Well to be fair if anywhere needs advocacy for women's rights, it's the middle east.
That being said, you're right, extreme feminism is mostly a problem in the west. In the USA for instance many businesses are separating men and women because of all the false rape accusations.
The worst part is? #metoo legitimatizes REAL rape victims.
+1 yYa it's basically a bunch of feminists who don't believe in the concept of consent and think any form of sex is rape based. Boys, don't date a feminist, because you will never have the opportunity to be intimate with her like a normal relationship. I'm done with sex shamers, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this natural phenomena..
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Consent is the entire point of the movement.
+1 yYeah it has. I'm not saying all these women are lying, but it makes me think just how far are people willing to go to compromise their better judgement for a payday? And, how could this trickle down to someone like me?
120 Reply836 opinions shared on Women's Day topic. In the sense that if men are dismissive of it, that I don’t want to have anything to do with them. Clearly they don’t know how to act right.
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Hey, look at it this way... all the men who are outing themselves on this question are the men who make it easy for us to avoid them :)
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Yup!
I'm married now, so it doesn't affect me greatly. If I was single and looking for a relationship, I would be second thinking before making a flirtatious remark or comment about a woman's attractiveness. I don't believe any of my past actions ever crossed the line, but even an accusation in today's environment could ruin a career or a reputation.
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As it should. Inappropriate comments in the workplace run rampant, unfortunately.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNot really but in a way yes, that general feeling & narrative has been going on for years already, it has made me very hesitant to approach women for fear of more than just the usual anxieties. I look like an awkward and unattractive person & I see all of these creeper men like Brock Turner & the like being shared on social media like Wanted Posters of old, & I see myself being in one of those posts (irrationally so but I have an anxiety disorder) because of making a bad misstep of tact & stepping in it. With the Rolling Stone story where it didn't happen & they had to retract the article, I feel like, you don't even have to do anything to potentially become targeted because some people have mental problems or are just straight up vindictive.
10 ReplyFor the last fucking time, NO. Unless your moves consisted of grabbing women by the pussy, this campaign has no fucking meaning to your life. Get this shit to facebook or wherever old farts without brains gather now to talk about how global warming isn't real.
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I don't think you have any say in what does and does not have meaning to my life. And telling me to get off of GAG? Really? I have every right to be on here just like everybody else. How about you get a life.
+1 yNo. I've never thought sexual assault was okay. I thought consent was as vital 10 years ago as I do now.
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Finally an intelligent answer.
646 opinions shared on Women's Day topic. No. I’ve experienced sexual harassment and sexual violence in my life. I view it the same as I always have. A movement doesn’t personally change my thoughts.
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+1 yNot at all. Something that has happened to someone should never define how that person is viewed. They are still themselves. Also the #metoo movement didn't succeed in what it was trying to do. It turned into a joke and many didn't participate because they didn't want the attention that simple hashtag would bring.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWomen just want to show they have high sexual market value. Most are exaggerating or lying. Most women are not attractive enough to cause that. But anyway, this will harm women worse in the long run... First metoo dilutes real sexual harassment cases and rape. These words don't have the same power they once had.
Also, it will mean they will be treated differently in the workplace. Fewer men will hit on them..
Then they ask where have the good men gone? 😂😂😂 they've gone their own way.170 ReplyYeah, after seeing all the fall out from regret sex that women get, even a year later. I don't see getting married as an option anymore
90 ReplyI think what’s most retarded is women waiting 30 years to come out and say how a man did something to them such as “slap their ass” or “ask them something sexual.” Like please lol that’s bullshit
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+1 yIt makes me glad I will be staying permanently single , my situation as a FT working single dad means this comes with the territory. By nature I am strictly non tactile and very " hands off " with everyone , apart from my children , I would not even attempt dating in this day and age , for a man it is a minefield.
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+1 yNo, because where I'm from we know the difference between sexual harassment, courtship and friendly approach. The western world is now programmed to look at even standard courtship or friendly approach as sexual harassment, which is sick.
70 ReplyNot at all. #Metoo really mainly focused on people who had been pressured by more powerful people or who have been getting really inappropriate comments or touching.
Normal conversations and small compliments isn't the problem, and that's what I do.
The few extreme cases just ruins reputation of rest, like guys who are assholes, and girls who thinks everyone is trying to lure them on bed, but both are minority.10 ReplyNo it hasn't ! Knowing that I can complain about sexual harrassment on social media doesn't affect the fact that I can still distinguish if a man is harrassing me or is just irrelevent
70 ReplyNo, it hasn't for me. Just because I went through molestation, doesn't mean I have to close myself off to other potential relationships that I could end up in.
50 ReplyA couple of guys have told me that they never want to get close to a girl or seek romantic relationships with one because of the whole movement
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yFeminists, liberals (the people behind the #metoo) don't want people to date or marry. That's why. Dating and marriage is dead, the liberals have brainwashed people into thinking having families and getting married is disgusting, now being single, having a career and aborting any babies that occur. Yep life is good these days.
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I've been married for 16 years, have four kids, and am a stay-at-home mom...
1.9K opinions shared on Women's Day topic. Well I'm ugly, so I consider I don't have much chance with girls to begin with, but since that metoo thing, I know that if ugly me tries to flirt, or just look at a girl, I could end up labelled as a harasser on every social media.
Not only that, but I don't like being considered as a potential rapist only because i'm a man.
So, I guess it's too bad for my dream to be a dad, but a broken dream is better than shaming and jail.60 Reply
+1 yNot really. Honesty, honorable, respectful, intelligent, considerate, polite, interesting, attractive women will be just that despite any fad that comes and goes. Free thinkers who have a life usually don't get tied up in movements anyways because they are too busy enjoying and living their life to be worrying how others are living theirs.
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yIt makes me scared of girls and women. I'm just worried that some woman who doesn't like me is going to accuse me of rape. I'm tired of guys being painted as bad people. It just doesn't feel right and I feel pushed against the wall. I'm aware that I'll never know what abuse is like but this is the problem with gender (social construct).
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