Has dating gotten better or worse in the last decade?

[MikeTheBartender]

Better

Worse

No significant changes

[blueonblack22]

Without a doubt far worse in western society.

Now there are a lot of negative influences like social media, dating apps and porn all contributing to all this. But I have absolutely zero doubt whatsoever that modern feminism was the original sin for all these problems.

Modern feminism created a backlash of the incel community, Andrew Tate types and generalized animosity towards western women from western men.

However I do not believe two wrongs make a right. They absolutely do not. But women do and always have had an inherent advantage over their equal male counterparts when it comes to dating and romance. Many of them don’t even realize it until they get much older. It’s also an unchecked advantage that modern feminism very conveniently overlooked but it’s real.

My theory is this won’t improve until modern leftist women come to a realization they are responsible for their own misery and unhappiness. They won’t listen to a damn thing about what men say (and we are wasting our time getting angry about it guys) no matter how factually accurate our arguments are.

And this could take years or even decades to self correct.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

My guess is that the birthrates of such people are a self-correction. However, the voting habits of democracies and the behavior of the ultra-elite of the world are a recipe for world war and global economic crisis, which will inevitably change this 1st world problem that can only exist with good infrastructure and abundance of resources + egalitarianism.

[blueonblack22]

@Oncewildtwiceburned well the problem I’m see is us guys keep thinking we can rationalize and reason women out of what they are doing. We are using male logic to address a female problem in a society that no longer values logic. Instead disagreement is “hate” now.

But there is a woman must have is attention. Attention is affirmation to her that she is viable. And that includes negative attention (one reason fat ass leftist women are often so loud…. they are attention starved).

So if guys are disciplined enough to just disassociate with women who have no respect for us then women lose what they need most: attention. And that WILL eventually make them question their own behavior and change. But men just got to stop enabling this bs.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

99% agreement, the one caveat I have is that ignoring them isn’t enough IF you want to rediscover and preserve your culture and/or family tradition/legacy. Otherwise this world belongs to whoever will be here calling shots in 75 years. It won’t be very many western families, or even eastern ones at this rate. The future and its predominant culture is pretty uncertain at this juncture.

The solution is to junk democracy. Only people who are forced to sign up for the draft and who are net tax payers should be able to vote.

[blueonblack22]

@Oncewildtwiceburned totally agree. But about the “ignore” part. We need to train men to totally disassociate with women who don’t respect them. But the problem is men have been trained that “women are special just for existing”. We also got some subconscious chivalry reflexes.

We don’t need to get combative with leftist modern women. Even though completely justified these women actually WANT men to be combative with them so they can claim they are a “victim of patiarchy”. But we can ignore them completely. That’s actually hurts them far worse.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Once again, I absolutely agree I just think we shouldn’t let “people” who don’t have to (and were never expected to) sign up to be drafted as well as people who aren’t net tax payers, vote.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Yeah, I think generation alpha men are absolutely not going to respect women just for being women. Social media has shown everyone the base psychological workings of women and propaganda. Even a retarded caveman can understand this…. and hey, they actually did before.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

“Japanese seemingly obsessed with sex, but few seem to indulge”

The article I quoted above can be searched up rather easily, its a shitty piece but the title makes two very real observations. It was written in 2016 and things have become worse almost all over the world today. The filth and depravity has spread like diseased genetically enhanced meth out chimps on steroids with jet packs. The birth rates are down and men and women are avoiding each other, and if not they certainly avoid relationships, and if not relationships they certainly aren’t marrying and having kids.

The reasons for men are fear of promiscuity, the woman’s past. What began as a bad deal due to unfair family court and alimony laws has turned into a tri-fold problem from hell due to dating sites and prevalence of porn and hook up culture.

Its a psychological operation conducted by the ultra-wealthy to replace native population with cheaper labor and to kill the competition, competition in the form of tight knit communities with strong families complete with smaller privately owned businesses cooperating with each other.

It started with communism and implemented on reservations and next on the chopping block was Germany and Japan after they lost ww2. The social media and smart phone age has spread it everywhere.

[blueonblack22]

I know the CCP has been very actively engaged in dividing the west. To a certain extent we were already doing it to ourselves. But they are doing all they can to accelerate the division.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

@blueonblack22 I agree, 20 years ago. Now they themselves have birth rate deficits/dating issues and are reeling from economic misappropriations and bad governance.

[Lalalove11]

It's harder to find something substantial because it's become more convenient. I have not been able to find a boyfriend yet and I'm 25. I know I'm not the only one struggling. I don't think it's gender specific, I just think the apps have messed us up. There seems to be a never ending supply of possible dates but it doesn't help to view dating that way. And casually dating multiple people sounds exhausting. I can only focus on one guy. That's more than enough

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I agree that web 2.0 might have made things worse for the ones raised with them, because it challenged newer generations to adapt and rethink. Internet can be a good servant in theory though, when knowing how to use it for the best

[NoDecision]

Dating? I don't know about you, but I don't call it dating when there is the expectation of sex at the end of the date. I would call that a "booty call". 😃🤣😅

[Shy_Steve]

Well most Guys don't have the luxury of a Booty call so thats why we call it Dating.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

@Shy_Steve and…when I dated I was looking for something real and these hoes just wanted me as a dildo. Except some of the fives, they wanted to hitch up

[Shy_Steve]

@Oncewildtwiceburned... And most Guys don't even get the chance to experience that.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

@Shy_Steve its empty, its realizing you weren’t good enough for the ones you wanted, and that you were just as narcissistic and full of yourself as those thots when you told a woman you didn’t want a relationship other than sex because (they didn’t meet your standards).

Its retard’s circus. An empty self-deprecating exercise in hedonistic nihilism.

[Shy_Steve]

@Oncewildtwiceburned At least you’re owning your flaws, but let’s be real. Most women aren’t any better.
They chase the top guys, use the rest for attention or favors, then act like victims when it doesn’t work out.

Everyone’s selfish in dating, but only men seem to get shamed for it.

[Finchie40]

Worse for me , most girls’ I hook up with these days’ are lying about being single , most of them are married or have a boyfriend already and I don’t find out until after i have sex with her and it starts getting serious . To the point I no longer give a shit if she does , I don’t waste time investigating , especially if I am out mingling and looking for a good time

[Sugar100]

I’m the oposite I’m looking for soemthing serious and no guy wants a girlfriend or serrious relationship. No guy lets me meet his family. I want a baby and confused how woman manage get pregnant. Am I not having enough sex or what? Or it’s simply from never having a boyfriend? I don’t hookup. I truly don’t hav a boyfriend. Not married.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

@Sugar100 You are confused on how women are getting pregnant? You’re 28 years old right? Are your standards too high? I mean if you’re looking to marry and have kids today the only place for you to go would be churches and Christian, Muslim, Catholic, or maybe another religious dating app.

[Sugar100]

@Oncewildtwiceburned yes I heard only way get marriage is look at church. I’m meeting guys everyhere minus church and they don’t want a girlfriend. I’m stuck alone unable have a future cuz men don’t want a relationship.

I don’t hav high standerds I just want a guy meet families go attend family functions with me , live together. That’s what all girls do with a boyfriend and no guy wants give me that life.

[Finchie40]

@Sugar100 Yea finding a serious relationship is unfortunately harder to find these days , they are out there but it’s a shot in the dark if you can actually meet someone that wants to settle down and get married. Girls’I meet say they want marriage and to settle down but when push comes to shove they do not, they just want their cake and eat it to. People have become very selfish and I blame social media for a lot of that reason because before social media was really a thing and before people were carrying around cell phones with internet capability , people actual valued relationships more then how it is today because back then when you met someone amazing , you weren’t really bombarded by options , people valued each other more and cherished each other
More than how it is today , Me personally loves traditional relationships where 2 people stay loyal and honest with each other , but these days good luck finding that , why I no longer rush into a serious relationship with a girl , because I am over having my heart shit on when she eventually changes her mind and thinks grass is greener on the other side. So I only do FWB’s with some strings attached with girls’ these days so I don’t have my heart shit on anymore. It sadly takes longer for 2 people to truly fall in love with each other because of all the nonsense and garbage we hear about on a daily basis about how everyone is a cheater or a backstabber. So FWB’s with some strings attached seems to be the best way to not have your heart broken because you are both on the same page with things and you both have some breathing room to give the both of you time to really get to know each other before making the big decision to fully being committed to each other. Most people rush into relationships because they are infatuated with each other , but as time goes on that infatuation will might fade away , if it doesn’t fade away and you both are only choosing each other , then that’s the person you should change

[Finchie40]

From FWB’s to a serious relationship

[Sugar100]

I want live together and meet family , I’m 27 and never done that in my entire life, that’s y I have no interest in friends with benefits, my biggest dream is show you to the family function with a boyfriend for the first time exoriecne it once in my life 😓

[Miristheiss]

@Sugar100
Marriage and families was the norm in society when women, as a whole, didn't have sex without marriage.

Once the pill came, once feminists convinced women promiscuity was empowering and women put out after a few dates... game over.

[NoDecision]

There are actually a lot of girls doing that? I guess we are no better than the guys. 😯

[Finchie40]

Yea , girls’ can be just as bad or worse than guys’

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

@Miristheiss Marriage and families was the norm in society when women, as a whole, didn't have sex without marriage.

“Once the pill came, once feminists convinced women promiscuity was empowering and women put out after a few dates... game over.”

Exactly, but they couldn’t have done it without unfair family court, child support, and incentives for government and education to recruit more women and the propaganda flame thrower in entertainment.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Or our state of the art infrastructure and welfare system

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

And of course without fatherless guys and/or jackasses like me who knocked them up when we we’re younger. Simps who didn’t care about traditional morality, ethics, and who we’re impulsive dopamine junky slaves to their biology NPCs

[HawkPerception]

1000% worse. Women are becoming increasingly liberal. The amount that they ignore men that voice what they desire in women, calling men misandrists, creepy, or other terms with negative connotations at every turn seems to become more and more noticeable each year.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/FKyFMnXkXWY

[MzAsh]

I understand men get hit with a lot of mixed signals. One minute you’re told to be bold and take initiative, the next you’re being labeled creepy for showing interest. I’sure it’s frustrating. That’s why reading the room matters more than ever now.

A lot of what guys are complaining about isn’t really about women, it’s about young girls who are still in the shallow end of dating. They’re still figuring themselves out, still wrapped up in surface level validation and emotional immaturity. And when you’re engaging with people who aren’t self aware, it’s going to feel like a minefield.

But if you pay attention, you’ll notice that mature women aren’t out here weaponizing buzzwords or looking for reasons to cancel someone. They’re communicating. They’re setting boundaries. They’re expressing what they expect in terms of effort, consistency, and intent.

Women still want to be pursued. But the women who are unlike the little girls who throw around buzzword name calling… they’re not entertaining lazy interest. They’re not going to listen to Andrew Tate’s minions. They’re not tolerating guys who can’t get their act together. Because they’ve already witnessed or experienced where that leads to.

[HawkPerception]

@MzAsh I'm by no means attacking all women. There are definitely good and classy women out there, but they're in the minority. The state of society right now is terrible mostly due to media and technology.

I consider myself a men's rights activist. I feel the need to address the issue.

In general, men are raised on how they should treat women and women are raised on how to be treated by men. That factor alone creates narcissistic and entitled women.

The fact of the matter is that there are very few high quality women out there that actually give a shit about what men want.

[RavVid]

Almost immeasurably worse.

It is not as if girls and guys don't want to get off with each other anymore but it does seem to be a lot more transactionally based on relative perceived value. Girls do reject advances... ah trying to find the right words... far less kindly now.

I've said here quite a few times I like partner dancing because there is courtesy between the genders still. If I ask a girl to dance, I am unlikely to find myself on a TikTok.

I live in an inner city area where a lot of outer suburban people come for a night out. Quite simply a lot of girls will drive in but don't plan to refrain from drinking and drive home legally. Instead they plan to pick up a bed for the night (as might be provided by my good self).

I can invite an outer burb girl to a local cafe and she will drive to me with a packed overnight bag.

This is great for me getting sex. I am not complaining about that. But if you'd like something a bit more than first date sex, it is not on the table. The 'something more' is really what dating is about.

[Anonymous]

I think the overwhelming majority would agree that dating has become substantially worse nowadays, compared to the past; to the point of near non-existence.

Globalization, social media and Tiktok culture of validation and echo-chamber have created one of the most entitled and self-absorbed generations of all time with little tolerance for anyone, who disagrees with them even on trivial, non-political stuff. When you've been raised to think you're special and are used to receiving constant praise, no one seems good enough for your royal highness, unless they're a carbon copy of yourself with the exact same preferences and opinions (which of course is impossible as no two agree on everything 100%). Secondly, this abundance and overexposure to edited and filtered images of attractive individuals (with tons of makeup and sometimes several plastic procedures, as well) have distorted people's perception of beauty and created unrealistic physical expectations and beauty standards. The propagation of dangerous and toxic ideologies through social media has also turned the two genders against each other, sowing division and conflict

[Zack-Bann]

Dating has been around for thousands of years
It’s futile to look a the last decade and think that we’re living in a unique era
We’re not


Dating is the same it’s always been
The methods change but the ultimate goal remains
People seek companionship and a worthy partner to share life with


Case and point being we still have just as many weddings in the summer season as we’ve always had
People are still finding ways to end up together

[MikeTheBartender]

Actually I think the marriage rate is the lowest it's ever been.

[Zack-Bann]

Probably isn’t lower than during times of war or famine or any form of major worldly event

We say it’s the lowest it’s been when we compare to the 1950’s

But in the long history of the world 1950 was yesterday

[Kingofkings1992]

It’s definitely not the same as it’s always been lmao. You must be living in a fantasy world, dude

[Sugar100]

My brothers wife’s family r all married and I’m the youngest and never had a boyfriend or married. And 27.

I’m not married cuz I never had a guy ask me to be his girlfriend. I’m not special in anyone’s eyes

[Miristheiss]

Dating has not been around 1000s of years.
It is very new.
Finding spouses was always the norm.
Courting to find a spouse.
Going "out" for fun, just dating around with marriage being on the back burner is new. The west just invented that the last few decades.

[Zack-Bann]

We have always found a way to reproduce
One way or another

Don’t let the doomers on the internet convince you otherwise

Doesn’t matter if it’s dating through friends, strangers
Or arranged marriages like they did in the old days

Every society has a social mating contract you just need to find it and adhere to it

Stop clinging to a past long gone
Times are different
People: not so much

[Joshydavid25]

Definitely worse.. We got too much of an illusion of choice, and people have become even more self centered than they already were.. Nobody wants to grow in love with somebody, they already wanna feel like they're damn near in love from the start. Dating has just become too transactional, too shallow..

[Blunky]

Definitely worse. I've noticed an increased focus on satisfying lust rather than building something lasting.

[MikeTheBartender]

Amongst men? Women? Both?

[Blunky]

Both. It's easier than ever to hook up with random people based on physical attraction alone. Used to be more men doing it but I'd say it's pretty even now.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Brother, I dont see a thousand women in a broke guy in his 20s or 30s DMs, even a guy who is a 7 or an 8 physically.

But a 5 to a 6 at best, even with a kid or two already, will have thousands of guys if she’s under 32 years old

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

*(messaging her, I mean)

[emmie12]

people these days are so immature im currently in community college and these kids in class all they do is talk about whos... masculine parts are bigger and who gets all the s__ts i mean like im sorry but some grownups and probably teens need to just get a life and grow up when i was 10 i had already developed an intrest in politics now im not saying they all need to go that far but if i can do that i know they can certainly act like mature adults and teenagers regardless of whether they are boys or girls cause girls act just as immature as boys do

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Way better lol

It's very personal though, I benefit from internet power here, know how to navigate with its good and bad sides, it makes me meet to very interesting personalities, out of my usual circles. There's a natural factor as well, the good side of aging, as I understand better who I am, who are they and what I wish for

[Hawaiikai]

Worse,. I’ve never had a boyfriend and I don’t think I’ll ever get one now. it’s not a bad thing at all, but with all these apps coming out, it’s so easy to find a hook up and so easy to cheat or lie

[Lalalove11]

Same I'm losing hope a bit

[Hawaiikai]

@Lalalove11 it totally sucks my mom’s been with my dad for like 40 years and they were high school sweethearts. It’s so hard to find out these days. You’re lucky if you ever do.

[Cuminginside]

Almost seems like a sick joke or conspiracy out here.

[Lalalove11]

Yeah it seems like that for sure. I know a few people in unhappy relationships and I'm glad that's not me though, that is much worse. But I hope you find someone! As a woman I don't like to chase but it almost feels like you have to a bit in this day and age because things have changed so much !!

[Somec]

The Internet has removed the need for a partner by making porn easily available at the click of a mouse.
I have been single since 2011 and have no girlfriends. I dated some and found that due to inflation most women are looking for someone to take care of them and I do not trust them.

[Anonymous]

Not only dating. Everything has gotten worse in the last decade.

[MikeTheBartender]

Hmmm what are some examples? Friendships and family I'd say with technology over in person. What else?

[Opinion Owner]

The degradation of societies

[MikeTheBartender]

Great book to read, The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined
Book by Steven Pinker... Don't read the whole book it's like 1000 pages, the first 100 or so gets the point across... At least in terms of violence, the world is better than it's ever been. ❤️

I mean not dating wise... But violence wise.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I think worse. Social media has given so many people unrealistic expectations and if someone can't meet a partner who meets those expectations, a lot of people are like "why even bother with a relationship".

[PBandJ_Nerd]

I'd be the worst person to answer this. Why? Because I couldn't tell you.

[Shy_Steve]

It has obviously gotten worse.

All women have to do is reciprocate more and show empathy and sympathy for guys, but they refuse to—so it has gotten worse.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Even in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

To be honest, dating has been rough the past few years, especially. I’m not sure if there will be anyone else to date at this rate 30 years from now, unless I do something drastic like get married.

[CaitlinSims25]

Is getting worse online dating and not much happen with real life dating or social events for people learning disabilities. I'm women with a learning disabilities and dating suck.

[Cuminginside]

Well if you don't respond to other people then you're not going to get anywhere.

[CaitlinSims25]

Why would I respond some men that are older than me. is fucking waste of your time. Better time making friends

[CaitlinSims25]

Fucking waste of money time meant

[CaitlinSims25]

Fucking waste of my time meant

[Anonymous]

Worst, you need to need a billionaire to keep a women happy nowadays. If a women says money don't matter, she's fucking lying to your face and disrespecting you. Stay single my friend 😎

[Vegasrunner]

Better. There's more options available for guys.

[blackeagle007]

We omen are too demanding. They don’t want to work. Expect the guy to be the bread winner.

[zagor]

Well I gave up on it sometime in that period, so I can't really say.

[Anonymous]

Not sure, I really haven't dated in the last decade.

[robocop666]

Worse as dating apps ruin everything and everything is expensive.

[Professor-college]

Kidding can be as good as you want it depends on the couple

[Anonymous]

well research and studies confirm there is a loneliness crisis going on

[Unap0logetic_]

In my opinion and experience much worse.

[On_cloud_wine]

No one dates anymore

[msc545]

Worse to the point of giving up.

[MikeTheBartender]

Never! But I hear you, it gets rough.

[msc545]

It is actually a complete waste of time. I'm not more than 6 ft tall and I don't look like a male model and I'm not a billionaire so that takes me right off the table to begin with.

[MikeTheBartender]

Many years behind the bar, and much experience with friends, and dating. Women on dating apps care about height and money (at least they say they do) in person is a way different story. I've seen short broke dudes with amazing women. It's not all about height and money.. game overrides all

[msc545]

I may not have any game anymore

[MikeTheBartender]

Then option B... Learn to dance.

[msc545]

I would prefer not to. It is embarrassing.

[On_cloud_wine]

lol!…

[NathanDavis]

never been an issue for me

[Anonymous]

Worse for sure.

[BCRanger10]

From what I've gathered, much worse.

[LiamJHayden]

I have not noticed any changes for me.

[Madgedays]

Much worse

[MikeTheBartender]

Why?

[Kingofkings1992]

Without question worse

[Anonymous]

I don't know, I never had a date.

[Credentialmayhem]

It’s all the same

[Staximus]

110% worse