One of the most debated topics about the movie Blade Runner 2049 is the relationship/love story between K and Joi. My boyfriend and I debated this over and over again. In my opinion Joi and K’s love is real, he thinks the opposite. For Valentine’s Day I want to send him a card with this picture from the movie. What caption should I put at the bottom? I was thinking something like “ Just like them, my love for you is definitely real”. If you have an idea of a caption please comment!
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Joi was nobody special in any way, shape, or form. As the movie later reveals, she was just a computer program with the sole purpose of doing whatever you want, and saying what you want to hear. In other words, her affection for K was completely artificial because the program was reacting to him.
Because of K's job, he is extremely lonely and has no friends to speak of other than his Joi. She's his only positive interaction in his life, so he thinks he "loves" her, and to an extent it might be real to him, but it's not a two-way street.
I would concur, the feeling was real, but the relationship wasn't. While I agree that connection is important, K was probably one of the loneliest people in movie history.
His only real connection was with an AI designed for people like him, the only woman who ever had feelings for him was probably the police chick, and even then, that was more of a professional relationship than anything else, and he threw that away, used the stripper chick for Joi, and even paused for a moment in front of a sign. His memories? Fake. His relationship? One-sided. Job? Brutal police officer until THAT got ruined. Friends? Forget about it. Let's face it, this guy has no social skills whatsoever, the only thing that's noteworthy about him are his combat skills.
As far as Bladerunner goes, love can't be real or fake because you'll need an objective definition of love to determine if it's true. If for you love is willingness to sacrifice yourself for the one you love - then yes, their love is real. If you define love as a spiritual force, then no - machines can't love. In a sense you can both be right depending on what love is.
I prefer the original blade runner, it’s a true sci-fi classic/ masterpiece but the remake is very decent especially when it comes to the cinematography.
Anyways I don’t think their love is real because it’s one sided, she was made to tell him what he wants to hear and she isn’t a person do it’s complicated.
"Our love will always be as real as Joy & k's" "I'll always be there in good and bad times" "If I wouldn't be capable of being with you physically for whatever the reason, I would want to still be there as a hologram so you don't feel alone"
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Thanks! The hologram one is actually a good idea because my boyfriend is in the military so we have a long distance relationship!
There isn't "love" there at all. There is acceptance and desperation.
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Not totally look for a K/joi love debate lol. Was more looking for a cute comment to a card. I guess you can’t leave a comment if you don’t believe. K was not your average replicant. He crossed the boundaries of what a replicant should be able to feel/do. Why is it not acceptable that Joi went beyond her programming? Joi’s actions proved she was not the average Joe model. Replicants technically should not be able to feel love, yet K expressed in many ways he loved her. Who are we to put a definition a real love anyway? Most people now don’t even understand real love.
I think the whole point of Bladerunner is that it's envisioning a future in which all deep human emotions barely exist anymore; everything has been modified to the point of being totally unrecognizable and there is barely human connection anywhere, at any time. Why do we think that Joi is an AI at all in the first place, rather than a human? Because overpopulation has ripped all humanity from the Earth.
I agree with that. Modifying human to be bigger, better, stronger.. to the point where they are not human. To give replicants the baseline test to gauge emotional responds prove that emotions are bad and should Not be felt by any. They doesn’t change the fact that K did love Joi in his way.
Yeah-- "in his way." And my point is that i question whether or not he even knows what real love is. I don't think he does. I think he felt for her, if that's what you mean. And we also need to remember that she isn't actually a "she;" she's an AI. A program.
The last 2 guys I dated I question if they know what real love is lol. Love isn’t a Concrete definition. Love is different for everyone, and everyone loves in different ways. Joi is an AI yeah- but she also is slightly different. Joi so much wanted to Alive for K. Why can’t she break through the boundaries of her programming and feel emotion like k did?
I would say that she is a very well-designed AI, in this fake future we love called Bladerunner. She can't feel real love-- she's a computer program. She can't feel love any more than Watson actually can think for itself on Jeopardy; it's simply been programmed with amazing, intricate responses. Now, granted, in this fake future, true AI actually exists, so perhaps she can think for herself, but the point is that she has been programmed with the ability to do so. Her entire purpose is to be a good and "loving" companion, no? Sure, everyone loves in different ways, but there has to be a baseline for any emotion, doesn't there?
Other than making me some delicious toast, my toaster has don’t nothing to prove it loves me. You do realize that K isn’t human right? Technically K is a bioengineered human like toaster - or an Android. Yet the movie gave this android this android the ability to feel human emotions that he shouldn’t be able too. Why can’t Joi go beyond her programming, and feel?
So what if you copied her or him and now you have two of them which one is the real one? Are they both real? Later in the movie we saw the same exact Joi model in the street saying the her exact lines again. Simulated human emotions are still that they are simulated not real. I am a big fan of the ethics in the subject and the philosophy of it which is why i loved Westworld a lot but a robot or an app like Siri will have to dooooooooo a lot to convince me they are genuinely alive and not simulated
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