What's your thought on the deadly accident involving Alec Baldwin?

[LaFerrari]

Halyna Hutchins

Actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed a woman and injured a man on the set of the movie “Rust” in New Mexico on Thursday, The film's director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, 42, was killed, and Joel Souza, 48, was injured when Baldwin discharged a prop firearm, the sheriff's office said in a statement Thursday evening.

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Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show.

The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was shot in the chest on the set of a Western starring Baldwin. Director Joel Souza was wounded, he was standing behind her.

[BCA6010]

I've put thousands of "blanks" through fully functional rifles, and can tell you with absolute certainty that they are witholding a lot of information about this story, because at face value it is bullshit. Granted this could also be because reporters are idiots and will write stories a certain way just for ratings, but my point remains. The article I read uses wording that makes me think the "prop" gun is only a prop because they say it is, and could've still fired regular rounds or training projectiles (chalk or rubber rounds, which are far more likely to cause injury than blanks).

There's pretty much no case in which Alec isn't at fault for at least severe negligence, and deserves hard time for it. The Hollywood standard for safety with guns loaded with blanks is much more extreme than what is done in the military, so someone, or likely several people weren't adhering to those standards.

[BrosephBrostar]

Hahahaha. Please, laws and jail are only for us plebs. Our betters will never get that kind of punishment.

[BCA6010]

@BrosephBrostar Oh of course not, especially given how well connected Alec Baldwin is. A "normal" person would be in jail facing a $550,000-$1,000,000 bail.

[LaFerrari]

Wasn't baldwins fault now that the witness reports are coming out, the gun was loaded by a prop master/ set armorer which then handed the gun to the director telling them it was safe and "cold", then the director handed it to baldwin, thinking it was safe. Apparently a week before this happened that same gun went off without touching the trigger, this caused many workers to walk off the job because of safety concerns. and it even happened a day beforehand with other actors... This isn't Baldwin's fault, its the prop master/ armorers and directors fault.

[LaFerrari]

The prop master loaded the gun with live ammo, not blanks as you said before, which is just how? if anyone is in props... They know what's real and what's not... so there no excuses there.

[BCA6010]

Yep like I said, there's no way there isn't either extreme, unforgivable negligence or foul play involved, and there's no way that a blank killed them.

[MCheetah]

I'm watching it now. The thing people are saying is how this is going to be politicized to high hell. They're saying it's likely not gong to be a criminal charge, but civilly liable, and will settle out of court. I don't think Alec Baldwin is a good or likeable person at all, but I can't imagine how he feels right now for killing someone by accident. Ironic how certain people want to talk about how deadly guns are, and then they play around with them like a f*cking toddler. Guns are ALWAYS supposed to be treated as deadly weapons, even prop guns. So yeah; this is going to get VERY ugly in politics in mudslinging, due to the nature of negligence. This supposedly wasn't a real gun, I heard, but had "prop ammo" in it, that was still enough to kill someone.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/lX-Iw0YnRgM

[LaFerrari]

Wasn't baldwins fault now that the witness reports are coming out, the gun was loaded with live ammo, not blanks... by a prop master/ set armorer which then handed the gun to the director telling them it was safe and "cold", then the director handed it to baldwin, thinking it was safe. Apparently a week before this happened that same gun went off without touching the trigger, this caused many workers to walk off the job because of safety concerns. and it even happened a day beforehand with other actors... This isn't Baldwin's fault, its the prop master/ armorers and directors fault.

[LaFerrari]

"After the shot was fired, the affidavit states that the armorer was given the prop gun and then removed the “spent casing” from the weapon before giving it to the police. Baldwin was wearing clothing consistent with a costume for the film (“Old Western style clothing”) but changed and also gave his clothes to the police, who said they “appeared to have blood stains,” as the Times reported.

The Albuquerque Journal, which obtained audio of the 911 call from set, reported that a woman who identified herself as a script supervisor said, “We’ve had two people accidentally shot by a prop gun; we need help immediately.”

When asked if the gun was loaded with a real bullet, the caller replied: “I don’t… I can’t tell you that… And this (expletive) AD that yelled at me at lunch – asking about revisions, this mother (expletive) – he’s supposed to check the guns, he’s responsible for what happens on the set.”

No charges have been filed in the incident, which took place on Thursday night. In a statement released on Friday, Baldwin said, in part: “There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours.”

[LaFerrari]

They were filming a movie, so say they were filming a scene, and he shoots the gun while camera crews and everyone are in front of him but away for distance safety, He fires the gun for the scene, they were likely starting rehearsal takes... so he's handed a gun that is deemed safe with blanks and is operating safely away from the crew. that's what i think happened, though I'm not certain on what they were doing or why he fired it. but i think the media took it out of context for more drama, as if he's messing around behind set. Police said the crew was filming when it happened.

[AmandaYVR]

The prop guy in charge made a grave, grave, mistake.
I'm sorry for this woman, the DP. (She looks so good in the second picture, by the way. Cool woman.) But I hope crews around the world, especially crop guys, now fully understand the importance of their work, and never slacking off on protocol and all safety measures. It was an honest mistake. But also an avoidable mistake.

I hate guns. Guns kill. Even when people pretend they're not that dangerous, they are. They are a killing tool. And even when they're designed not to kill, they're still dangerous. We've all heard the stories of 'blanks' being fired at too close a distance.

[LaFerrari]

The gun had live ammo in it, Alec was told it was cold or unloaded for rehearsal, the people infront of him were likely filming crew and he was acting a scene when it was fired. He was doing his job and clearly someone in the prop department wasn't.

The 24-year-old head armorer for "Rust" expressed self-doubt about her experience in a podcast last month. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, whose dad is a famous armorer, said that she wasn't sure if she was "ready" for her first job. Thursday's shooting on the "Rust" set killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, The head gun handler for the movie "Rust," which has made headlines after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot by Alec Baldwin on set, revealed last month that she was worried about her experience level for her first job. Hannah told a podcast that she almost didn't take the job, her first as head armorer, because she wasn't sure if she was "ready" for it, Metro reported. She had just finished shooting the movie "The Old Way" with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage. "It was a really badass way to start off a really long and cool career," she said on the podcast.

"It was also my first time being head armorer as well," Gutierrez-Reed said. "I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready, but, doing it, like, it went really smoothly."

Gutierrez-Reed added that she was initially fearful of loading blanks. "I think loading blanks was the scariest thing to me because I was like 'oh, I don't know anything about it,'" she said. But her famous father, she said, helped train her up.

[AmandaYVR]

Yes, I just looked into it again this morning and read that.
Very, very, sad. Particularly the fact that there were already TWO earlier incidents with guns, on set, and some crew members already had quit! Wtf.

I'm also really disgusted at how many people post opinions on everything under the sun, without any effort made whatsoever finding out what actually happened. This disgusts me even more than the lack of safety conscientiousness of this incident.
The fact that it was Alec who fired the gun is completely irrelevant. Yet some idiots (online users under pseudonyms) politicize everything nowadays.
If anyone should be extremely pissed about this, it's a person like me who is against guns.
But even you and I have got past this philosophical difference and can be friends.
I also respect how you are moderating this topic. Well done, LF.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

I mean, I’m kind of curious as to what actually happened as prop guns are physically incapable of being fired.

[LaFerrari]

It’s definitely capable, the gun had blanks.

[NoOneEver]

I just think he deserves some hard time for it. Knowing celebrities though, they never get that.

it’s suspicious that at least one would have been freaking out screaming from the pain. But he continued firing the gun at another anyway. Just knowing that in my mind makes me question whether he did it on purpose or not. And thought he could hide the fact as an accident.

bare minimum this is second degree murder. The investigation will be the interesting part.

[LaFerrari]

It was an accident, and both people that were shot were hospitalized, one dying later. Prop department and director are at fault for the incident in my opinion... And i highly doubt alec will be charged but we will see... There will probably be a massive payout law suit though against baldwin and film production crew.

[NoOneEver]

Actually you’re always charged.

If things were just accidents during deaths. Drunk driving would have no stigmas associated with it.

He’ll likely be charged with second degree murder. So that they can investigate. And the charges will likely get dropped down to manslaughter. Which is the lowest convicting sentence someone can have for being responsible for someone else’s death.

[LaFerrari]

wonder why Kevin spacey hasn't been charged then...

[LaFerrari]

there's what 6 people that were linked to his crimes now that have mysteriously died... yeah ok.. not to mention the creepy warnings he made on his youtube.

[NoOneEver]

Never heard anything about that. Sounds interesting though.

[LaFerrari]

Oh it’s definitely suspicious, the videos are really creepy…. And I’m starting to think his role in the house of cards isn’t a role, I think he’s actually a maniac lol

[LaFerrari]

During the time of the video a few days before it one of the accusers died. https://youtu.be/JZveA-NAIDI

[worldscolide]

Why do I get Brandon Lee and the crow vibes from this?

[jamesgoldman]

It's just Brandon Lee again, I don't think any criminal charges were filed in that case so probably the same here

[Jamie05rhs]

Oh, so Alec was the one who did it... Why am I not surprised? 😑

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The person that gave Alec Baldwin the prop gun with live rounds probably set him up to kill the director or the director of photography. He or she must be deeply investigated.

[DizzyDesii]

Its not the first time. Hollywood clearly doesn't care about people

[Rachelspiks]

Aren't prop guns supposed to be fake? That is, not capable of actually being used to shoot someone?

[LaFerrari]

Normally they are real guns with blanks but whomever was the prop master and armorer that gave the weapon to the director, said it was safe, then that director that was told it was safe, handed it to baldwin, telling him that it was safe and that it was "cold". Apparently a week before this happened that same gun went off without touching the trigger, this caused many workers to walk off the job because of safety concerns. This isn't Baldwin's fault, its the prop master/ armorers and directors fault.

[LaFerrari]

There were live rounds in the gun, which is a major f up... But we will see about what the police will determine, ill keep this question updated.

[Kelly6]

Accidents do happen.
and nothing will happen because everything was recorded. man’s lots of witnesses

[EnglishEuropean]

There might not be any criminal charges but it's likely there will be a civil action by relatives of the deceased.

[CreamySeed]

Obviously Baldwin is just another “tough guy” limousine liberal who doesn't know basic gun safety. He probably also hates the 2’d amendment and gun owners in general like most liberals.

[KellyKOO]

Oh god that's horrifying. Prayers to the families. 😔

[Anonymous]

how much of an asshole do you have to be to kill someone with a fake gun?😂😂😂

[Andres77]

Utterly tragic.
My heart goes out to the families of both.

[Anonymous]

Why was it loaded? 🧐🤔

[LaFerrari]

It was loaded with blanks, which is still dangerous at close ranges. But still

[EnglishEuropean]

How the hell do you shoot someone with a fake gun?

[LaFerrari]

It had blanks in it, blanks are still dangerous at close range.

[Manchild2018]

Someone belongs in jail.

[exitseven]

Sounds like this was done for the publicity.