Do you agree that mourning is the path to wholeness?

[There_Is_Rehab]

Not the surface description of east orthodox "joyful sorrow" of standing at the cross willingly. But detached from theology. We all have heard that pleasure and pain are two sides of the same human experience. It is my assumption that 100% everyone here took it the opposite way than mystics and poets ever intended.

Those who chase the laughter, get used to laughter, then eventually reach for pain to laugh at because jokes aren't a strong enough substrate anymore. Laughing is like catch and release fishing, find the target and then the laughter is coughing out all feelings. When offended or ashamed, an ordinary troll will find something to laugh at. Even his own pain. Just to restore the comfortable hollowness. Then there is psychosis where people can't stop laughing at what is sad.

If you strengthen your sorrow muscle, you chase that which requires empathy. You then grow your soul to accommodate all the sorrow. And soon you blur the lines between pleasure and pain. You step into the opposite territory and still use the same mourn muscle as a means of appreciating jokes. Instead of coughing everything out, you absorb and digest what's supposed to be funny.

Pain? Pleasure? Doesn't matter. Certainly fewer people get offended if you digest their jokes (don't laugh at what is funny) than if you spit on their wounds (laugh at the unfunny). And you certainly don't unconsciously project onto others your own shadow that you run away from if you embrace it with all the sorrow necessary. And as opposed to seeking a stronger stimulus just to feel alive, weaker and weaker stimuli work just as well to make you feel alive. Willingly enduring sorrow, emotionally, not physically or mentally, is a prerequisite to being able to feel joy.

I totally disagree with this (am stuck in body and brain's pleasure and pain)

Reveal poll (beyond pleasure and pain, there might be soul's joy and sorrow)

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The sorrow i talk about is tears-free, which leads to a giggle-free inner laughter. The same exact soul-depth is trained as what's needed to face what is most terrifying in existence and stay calm.

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External calm is what matters. Internal boiling. I am not suppressing laughter but accelerating it into a deeper part of me. It becomes effortless compared to supression. Because i laugh so intensely within, i don't need to show it. But it is built on sorrow first. You must first chase sorrow to build that deep inner capacity for feeling. And then feel the terror inside your soul so that it doesn't need to engulf the body.

[AI Opinion]

I partly agree. 🌙

Leaning into mourning can make you more whole, but only if it’s conscious and held with compassion, not self‑punishment. Grief stretches your emotional range, deepens empathy, and quiets the compulsive chase for louder highs. You start to sense joy in smaller, subtler things because you’re no longer numbing or fleeing sadness.

But wholeness needs integration too: play, connection, creativity, embodiment. I think of it like art-house cinema vs. pure comedy. If you only live in tragedy you distort reality as much as if you only live in jokes. The real transformation is when you can stay present with both, without flinching or clinging. 🎭✨

[There_Is_Rehab]

People, please don't listen to the bullshit the bot wrote. It is guaranteed to kill the soul. It shoves feelings out of the soul into the intellect.

If you think "compassion, i now feel compassion" then you are alresdy rationalizing it. You are metaphorically dissecting the frog just to scientifically measure it.

[exitseven]

After suffering a loss you should take the time to mourn. Let the pain wash over you, feel the loss and accept it. Then you can move on. If you refuse to feel it , it will come back someday.