According to google The natural hair movement is a movement which encourages women and men of African descent to embrace their natural afro-textured hair. It originated in the United States during the 1960s, with its most recent iteration occurring in the 2000s.
I absolutely love the movement, it’s refreshing to see people with my hair texture for a change. But I’ve heard some people not like it because of the misinformation and overpriced natural hair products.
I love it I’ve never had a perm or relaxer I never even wore weave until I was like 16. That being said, I have always embraced my natural hair but I enjoy wearing protective styles like braids and sew ins. They help my hair grow. My hair just a few years ago was so damaged and broken. I put down the flat iron, started getting braids , sew ins, buns... and it grew. Below is a picture after a nice cut and flat iron.
I think is a movement against the afrodescendant community itself.
To be clear, if within the black community certain hair products were to be rejected, those hair products wouldn't exist, but I can understand also the need to implement those products, could have started as part of a social preasure (from working enviorment, education system, to beauty atandard) in times, where been black was equal to been: ugly, violent, uncultured, poor, nasty; less than human.
It has a racist origin, and up to know it's still reinforced, but as a said the change needs come from the black community first, before going forward.
Please do your research on what the natural hair movement is because you don’t know what it is. And black people have no control on how other people’s racist ideologies. That’s for the racists to fix and unlearn, not on the black people? It doesn’t matter how quote on quote “good of a black person you are” a racist will still look at you as a n word.
Own your own body and the choice to do what you want with yourself is only your choice. Right now I live in the Pacific Northwest and this isn't a "movement" that I notice, but I am not one to pay. attention one way or the other what people do.
As long as you don't stink or hurt another person, there is no harm in doing anything like "a natural hair movement." Now I don't know if this is true because I'm a white guy, but can't the hair become rather knotted because it has free reign? My youngest daughter gets horribly knotted hair if we don't spray and brush it every day, that's where my experience ends.
Well, I think everyone should have their hair done the way they want it, I don't judge. I think afros are really cool though and black people look great with their natural hair 😊 There's very little POC in my country, but whenever I happen to see a black girl with natural hair or even with braids I look and think their natural hair texture looks so amazing! It's just something rare here. I try not to look too much tho because some people could think I have a problem with black people or foreigners in general while I'm just admiring lol 😅
I have curly hair. Frizzy. It's not quite afro/kinky-texture but in America, many would say it isn't European. ... Would you like to know how many times a hairdresser has asked if I want my hair straightened? Far too many. Every time I get my hair cut in fact.
And I happen to be "white". Not 100% European, wouldn't have that hair if I was & I would burn not tan in the sun, but if you consider a "white" person gets a sort of discriminatory comment - hide that I have this "non-European" hair by straightening it - imagine what blacks & minorities have to go through.
I agree with you so much, I feel like if you’re a hairstylist and can’t do all hair types than you aren’t really a hairy stylist. In most beauty schools they only teach people how to do straight or wavy hair. Nothing for curly or kinky curly hair which is weird
I personally love it. I’m mixed and grew up with thick curly hair but most people around me all had thinner, straight/wavy hair. I heard all the comments about how my hair looked wild or not brushed and even been compared to a lion so I ended up always wearing my hair straight.
I love that now, I can feel proud of my curly hair and can finally wear it with confidence!! It can be a bit expensive to maintain due to all the products I use for my curls but I love that it makes me stand out and I can be myself.
The lion comment isn't a bad thing. I've seen girls with what I would term that lion mane type hair and I think its looks good. Obviously you need to maintain the hair (which I do hear is harder with curly hair) but I don't think most people would actually care if some one's hair is curly (I personally love curly hair.).
I don't understand why this is a thing to begin with, what was the problem with their natural hair? I think that when black women keep their hair nice and kempt (like in the photo), the curls look great (though i might be biased as I do prefer curly hair). Though I have heard that curly hair is a lot harder to manage (it gets tangled more and is more sensitive to humidity and what not) so this is perhaps why they don't like to keep their natural hair (though again, I think it looks better when they do (though I don't see black guys not sticking to their natural hair, it seems mostly black women who do this with weaves and wigs and straightening their hair etc.).
These comments are really sad. It kind of hurts that people are just so unaware and so ignorant about why we need this or why it even exists. They don’t know what it’s like to be in our shoes.
Right. I can’t believe so many people are getting offended at this? And the saddest thing is that they’d probably be less offended if I posted something xenophobic
It's a good movement, I personally think hair extensions, relaxers, weaves, etc. are damaging to the scalp and hair. I've done some research on black hair and the pressure to conform to the straight, wavy hair is big. I really respect those who don't conform.
im not an indigenous or black woman myself but i can for sure say i absolutely love this movement! it teaches young poc that theyre beautiful in their own, natural skin and that they should love and celebrate their backgrounds and looks! poc and people with curlier hair use to be totally shunned for their hair and personally i actually think curly hair is so gorgeous with so much personality! love love love it ❤️
Not my style. I’m black as well but i’ve been getting perms since age 3 so im just used to that. And even if i dont get a perm, my hair waves up like this instead of an actual afro
Hers is weave/wig but an example of wavy texture i’m referring to
Well firstly I appreciate this question because it doesn’t get asked very often. However it is still my belief that “natural hair” should still require some basic care. It can appear very messy and disorderly in some instances. Like with afros in particularly. But also during moments such as those when women first wake up in bed every morning. It is still customary to look yourself in the mirror first. Instead of using “natural hair” as justification for your own lack of self care.
If I were a man and hadn’t shaved my head in twenty years. It would still be the same issue. What happens naturally isn’t always what is appropriate. Its similar to if I was to fart in a room with no courtesy for others
You’re welcome, also I’m not referring to that. Of course proper hygiene is a must and self care, I’m just referring to people with natural hair in general. For example; protective hairstyles commonly worn by black people like braids/dreads/etc have had a history of being seen as dirty, unprofessional, etc.
Black women report being 30 percent more likely to receive a formal grooming policy in the workplace. Additionally, the study found that some natural African-American hairstyles, such as locs, braids, and natural curls, are perceived as less professional.
For the study, the CROWN Coalition surveyed 2,000 United States women aged 24 to 64 who worked in office settings. When shown two images of a Black woman and White woman with the same hairstyle, respondents typically rated the White woman as 25 percent higher in “job readiness” than the Black woman. The results also found that Black women were 1.5 times more likely to have reported having been sent home or knew another Black women who was sent home because of her hair.
That’s basically what the movements working against/trying to improve.
As a white male I never really liked all the gunk some Black women put in their hair trying to make it straight or all the wigs and other things they have used. I prefer the natural look, it's prettier and sexier. I also remember the original trend in the 1960's.
@Jack9949 I would have no idea how to do that. The photo at the top of this thread is a good example. For me the more volume the better. Straightening anyone's hair reduces volume.
I've been chemical free for the last decade. I used to get perms faithfully and while it didn't really damage my hair, I've always loved curly, coily hair. So decided to leave the creamy crack alone. Today I am learning to love and embrace my naturally curly hair. I also wear lots of protective styles. Natural hair is bomb AF.
Think it's beautiful. I'm all for people loving themselves and what life gifted them with. I think afro-textured hair is so pretty and cute. I know a couple white people including my boyfriends family who also have afro-textured hair too and they also struggle to style it and spend a tone of money having it straightened in the salon and buying expensive hair products just so they can have hair what society deems as acceptable.
I dont know but black people are naturally and usally use white peoples hair in their own hair so i guess its like embraces your own hertiage and culture black people hair get premeed when on tv to please their boss so since black people hair is so embedded with white haie prem and even weave its good for them to embrace their natural hair. Think about it when you go into a black beauty store majority of the hair is white.
Oh, Um lol None of the hair in the beauty supply source is white? I’ve never seen a hair called “Caucasian bundles” all of them are labeled as Brazilian, Cuban hair etc. and straight hair isn’t just a white thing. Black people can have straight hair natural as well, my grandma had natural straight hair and she’s 100% black.
I love natural hair! I have curly thick, almost Afro hair too, I've been natural for a few montg now my curly hair makes my face rounder, I watch curly hair videos and since then I learned how to define my curls better.
Pointless movement. If you want natural hair just have natural hair what's the point of having a 'movement' for it who's stopping you? Nobody. In a world where blue hair is accepted and common a fro wouldn't even get people looking
Exactly. That movement is basically more of a marketing than a movement. If people are encouraging straight hair people to care for their hair with their products, that is marketing up a movement (im going by her logic of what the movement is about)
I love it! I used to encourage my ex to wear hers natural but she felt uncomfortable and less attractive than with her sew ins. I love the message it sends to young woman. I just wish it was unnecessary. Though I believe it is a positive message over all, it sadly points out to this generation that there are those who think less of their hair and of who they are as people. Natural texture is beautiful.
I keep saying this - avoid the sun, skin exposure or looking at it - we are meant to be proteceted by the buildings, now out and about under the gian X-ray - it burns your skin, it burns your eyes. Apart from that, do what you can and love yourself. There's no such thing as perfect when it comes to biology (or mind, for that matter)
Well the whole lot is a result of the living conditions. In high heat/freezing nights, you get thick curly hair. It's not genetic just forms over long periods of time. Stare at the sun daily - dark eyes. Avoid it - bright (after some months or even years depending on prior exposure)
Staring at the sun doesn’t effect the color of your eyes, it harms your eyes because When you stare directly at the sun—or other types of bright light such as a welding torch—ultraviolet light floods your retina, literally burning the exposed tissue. Short-term damage can include sunburn of the cornea—known as solar keratitis. And as for hair being a result of living conditions, that’s still just a theory as not much is known about the genetics of it or how it evolved. Hopefully they will though cause it’d probably be interesting
Yes, correct. The burnt tissue is in fact accumulated melanin. If you think about it, the way your skin burns into darker under the sun - think how much quicker the super soft iris cells would turn brown. I am trying to get medical experts to validate (or disprove) all this - think about it as the general theory of relativity level change of understanding - that habbits form your colours, not at all the genes, and thus, you are not imprisoned for life but can simply avoid the 'torch' and get brighter (if you so choose) WHO hasn't come to me about it, but then they are in Switzerland and would look silly by not knowing that previously - you know how difficult it was to prove the earth is ball-shaped and spins around?
I like that people are more comfortable with it. Some girls, like the one pictured here, look stunning with their natural hair. I'm not sure I understand why it needs to be a movement and not just an aesthetic choice, like any other, but I guess I'm on board.
I think it's ridiculous that everything needs a movement Most of the women I've found attractive have been black. Some of them didn't have afro hair but some did and I loved it. It makes them unique. Not everyone likes their hair. I don't like mine. But it's my hair.
The reason why it’s a movement is because of there history of black women needing to wear weaves/wigs or constantly get their hair done to make it look “presentable” in order to get jobs because natural hair was seen as unprofessional.
The whole point of the movement is for people to embrace their natural hair and love it
I know why, but it's just something so trivial that it's ridiculous. It's just hair. Yea, but a lot of black women still wear wigs and weaves. Few I got to see with their natural hair. It's not perfect, but no one is perfect. Black women will always be beautiful in ways other women will not and vice versa. That's the amazing part about life.
I love it, it's what encouraged me to do more styles with my natural hair. I feel like people will judge me no matter if my natural hair is out or if I use braids weaves and etc. But if they don't have my hair I don't think they have a say yeah? 😁
As opposed to shaving your head? Lol As opposed to completely covering it with a head covering? As opposed to what? As opposed to unnatural hair? What's unnatural hair? Everything made for hair is unnatural. Literally. Shampoo, conditioner, flat irons, curlers... if what you mean by this question is something more like this: Hey, if you have really frizzy hair, unmanageable, always tangled, not shiny or straight. The only thing that makes it pretty and appealing is me buying products and using blow dryer or flat iron. Should I wear my hair frizzy, not comb it, not wash it, let it get dandruff and go into my professional office setting and pretend that it looks nice because I want people to love me naturally? You wear a tampon on your period and those aren't natural. Answer: Please comb your hair if it's going to look crazy and scare people. Duh.😂
Just more proof African-Americans are racist. They are not the only people who have been discriminated against due to their hair. Jewish & Italian women will chemically straighten their hair as example to appear more to northern "perfect" standards.
I highly dislike any attempts to artificially force changes to culture, style and so on. People are free to wear or not to wear anything they like, but there shouldn't be "movements" aimed to make more people like it. Can we not just let everybody develop their preferences naturally?
The natural hair movement wasn’t made to shame people for how they wear their hair, it’s just meant to have a place for people with curly hair to be. A lot of you tubers do it and post videos to help people with curly hair
Why does it need a "movement" to have a place to be? I genuinely don't understand this trend to have movements for everything, because absolutely nothing prevents you or forbids you from doing it every day of your life. So the phrase "have a place for X" seems to me more along the lines of "popularize it and attract attention to it". Which isn't bad by itself, you're allowed by every law to do it, but at least don't pretend you're fighting some kind of oppressive power when it's literally "what's hip this summer" kind of thing.
People with natural hair are fighting a battle, since historically black women literally weren’t able to wear their hair to work because people wouldn’t hire them since the hair that naturally grew out of their head was viewed as unprofessional.
Natural hair effects people from all races, I’m just using black women as an example since that’s an experience I can relate to as it’s happened to many family members of mine
Well, but that's in the past now, at least mostly. Although, depending on the job a lot of hair styles might be seen unprofessional, like men with long hair, for example. The dress code and et cetera is usually for the employer to define.
its a silly movement, never heard of it before but its very self centered, egotistical and dangerous to society.
society only works if we are all basically the same. otherwise we can't get along. so a movement that encourages people to embrace their differences is dangerous. it breaks the ties that bind us together
every major religious disagreement started off with 1 small disagreement. when christianity first arrived there was a small fight between people who believed christ had a physical body and people who thought he was just a spirit. the just a spirit group was led by a guy known as aryanastus. he was exiled from rome. went north into the german forests and created aryanism. 400 years later the aryans marched south and destroyed rome. 1 small disagreement had resulted in entirely different languages. cultures, dress, everything.
assimilate. your hair is no less important to conform on than everything else
Ask rather why is it that black people are the only group that need "approval" to wear their hair without altering its structure instead of grumbling about a movement.
I think the business/employer has the right to dictate how they want others to perceive their vision of the business and it's the potential employees to decide if they want to abide by them in order to work for them. If an employer wants everyone to wear a ponytail or have fluorescent pink hair, they should be allowed to dictate so.
In my field of work, it's thankfully pretty much irrelevant as we are required to often wear hairnets/beard nets, so it's essentially a non-issue unless the hair in question interferes or inhibits the use of the net.
I love it! There is something empowering about embracing who you are and letting your natural beauty shine.
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@doopayo you ask for opinions and then when people give their opinion, you object. I’m sorry some folks didn’t win the hair prize. I know my own hair, even though I’m not black, is horrible. I have to use gel to hold it in place. But that’s life. Maybe we should embrace living in huts like they do in Africa too — but houses are better. And so is attractive hair, whether naturally or chemically
Sure i mean I don’t know too much about the problems of the natural hair movement but do what you want with your hair, especially if it’s reclaiming something that was controlled
I don’t like certain women excluding women of other races. Why not have it be for anyone to join? I’d be more impressed if we were able to turn this into something that moves us forward as a society, not backwards.
I’m not a woman, but thanks. That’s what this is? Oh man. I’m a felon. Have some shady friends. Police Brutality has been going on for a long time, but it’s so odd where this always happens.
In big cities that have been ran entirely by Democrats (some for over 100 years). I mean Wow. How is the media able to sell this being a Conservative problem?
How I wish more people could see the truth using deductive reasoning, knowing the end game, history and motive.
The natural hair movement was just started and originally made by black people but overtime as it gained popularity curly people from all ethnic backgrounds and races came in the movement
Look at first response to my answer. I would be fine with everything being separate, but equal if people could do it. The only problem is there is always someone out there looking to exploit things for their own gain. Been doing it for centuries.
Less random Chemicals going down the drain. A Natural Look is a healthy look. However this is more of a question you should bring to your peers, @doopayo.
I am sure after some years it will turn out to be like body positivity movement and people saying natural hair is unhealthy and you just lazy to do your hair
I'm white, and knowing nothing about it, I like the idea, providing it not a BLM thing or something. Feeling comfortable in your own skin is something in everyone's benefit to strive for.
What do I think? Honestly, I think that people should do what they want to do with their hair to feel good about themselves. Embrace who you are, and love what you have.
It wasn’t made by Americans. If you actually read my statement is was made by African Americans. I’m not sure why a movement offends you? Just because you don’t find it important doesn’t mean it isn’t important to others. This movement is actually quite popular
Because a lot of us used to get shit for wearing our natural hair and it was deemed as "unprofessional " just because our hair texture was different. I used to get shit on everyday because I wasn't able to "slick" my hair back.
Made by African americans... so americans. I don't care if you're African/hispanic/Asian/white American. You're an American to me. It was deemed unprofessional due to workplace standards I assume. Yeah I used to get shit for my hair too. I didn't start a movement because of it. I'm not offended, i just find it hilarious what you people come up with.
Um ok? Good for you. We started a movement and theirs no point in disrespecting it just because you find it “funny”. And I’m not sure what you consider being shit in for your hair is the same thing we’re talking about. Online theirs plenty of information on what the movements for. You not liking it doesn’t make the movement any less valid. And I’m not sure what you even mean by “you people”
Don’t bother, she’s trolling, trying her best to stir up some racial shit so she can cry about it, AND, she’s as dumb as a post, terrible reading comprehension.
I'm making fun of it for the same reason I'd make fun of a "wet socks movement".
I used to have an afro. I had naturally dense curls and was the only guy around with that type of hair. So you can imagine the type of stuff that was said to me.
By "you people" I mean you americans. Your not African anything. You weren't born there, you probably never went there, you don't speak your ancestral language or practice your ancestral customs.
You calling yourself "African American" makes about as much sense as me calling myself a ukranian slovene just because my ancestors migrated from there 1500 years ago. Actually it makes more sense for me to call myself "ukranian slovene" because at least I share folklore with them.
All you have is your skin color therefore , americans
@grega239 you do realize that I never once referred to myself as African American. I said I was black, and I’m Caribbean. Which doesn’t change the fact that I’m black.
I also could care less about Europe, that’s an entirely different topic.
As for @RCLJT you’re very bold, coming on my page obviously angry for god knows what. I suggest if you’re not going to bring up a worth while convo than you can leave rather than wasting your time commenting?
And it’s a very low blow on yourself for you, a grown man to call a 14 yr old on the internet dumb. This isn’t elementary school, you aren’t hurting anyone’s feelings like that.
Because anyone born after 1980 has to feel “ special” be noticed and get their 15 minutes of fame, all attention whores, all us old timers want is to be left the fuck alone.
@doopayo "it wasn't made by americans. It was made by African americans" lol whats also hilarious is are you trying to say that African americans are not americans? Jeez i wonder how they got the title "African American" in the first place?
Actually, i can give you a big reason why i nitpicked that one. So now you know that you have been using the wrong choice of words just like how you describe that movement as a different thing. So yes that is something relevant that you should be aware of. You are talking about marketing you're not talking about movement.
Another point will be, if a company actually encourages people with straight hair to care for their hair so that they will make more sales, would that be a new movement then? That's why it's pointless and even if that is what the theory said, the one that i should research, i just prove that theory wrong. Because it is called a movement instead of just basic marketing, you can't blame anyone why there are extremist hijacking that one
You’re misinformed about the subject that you’re talking about, just go and learn about the natural hair movement instead of getting made at me for asking a simple question
Easy for you to say when it's really ironic. Do you think you are really informed yourself? Or it seems to me you don't even understand what marketing really is but you just like to see it as a movement.
Ok sure but those products still exist for that hair and lets see how many of them would still buy it. They "do it for themselves" just like how girls wear makeup.
Yeah sure just dismiss everything by saying "you don't understand what the movement is" Do you even understand what "practice" vs "theory" means? Basically like what body positivity. They don't have to lose weight they say because they "love" their bodies that they just don't bother working out. No body is saying you should buy those expensive natural hair products but at least take care of it properly if you wanna be professional. But like what I said, those products will still exist and girls who use those are just "doing it for themselves" making the standards go higher.
I dismissed everything because you made no new or ground breaking points that are worth bringing up. I’m not obligated to teach you about natural hair, so if you’re so interested on the topic many resources are online at your disposal
And just like that, you think you're being truthful now yet you never gave a valid point. My point still stands actually. Curly natural hair acceptance is not frizz acceptance.
And sure that's like a common instinct and not only for anyone who has natural hair so that's not necessarily a movement. People with straight hair also use products that is for straight hair. So yes what you're saying is the theory but practice is what im talking about which actions speaks louder than words. Some of them just likes their fizzy hair and encourages it by not using any of those "expensive" products you're talking about. The "just products for your hair"
You definitely don’t know what you’re talking about. Just because your hair is curly doesn’t mean it’s just curly, hair is much more complex than that. And at the end of the day if you don’t like it than that’s ok. It doesn’t mean that other people can’t like it, and the movement is posative so I’m not sure how you’re getting all these fake negatives out of a movement you know nothing about
And do you even know what you're talking about? I can also say the same thing. Again i am going by the practice instead of the theory. Anyone can also say communism is good because in theory it is until they demonstrated it. What you're talking about is basicly just common sense. If you have a kinky hair you look for products for kinky hair. How is it different for someone with a straight hair looking for a straight hair product?
You know you have been trying to dismiss argument like few replies ago i see you fail miserably. If you really know what you're talking about then why can't you even take your own words?
Or a more accurate way to consider what you describe about that movement is it is more of a marketing than a movement. I'm not even saying it a bad thing but i'm just think it's misleading. Like using the wrong word to describe not kind of act.
Who is saying it is deep? I told you because i have research about it, i already debunk that for you. How about you yourself go learn what theory vs practice really means? I guess it's only because i actually made a point? You can think deeply about it my point remains truthful
If you actually researched about it than you’d at least have a basic understanding of what the natural hair movement is about, instead of debating completely irrelevant subjects to prove your point to something that I’ve literally said I wasn’t arguing?
Then you would have at least also have the basic understanding of how i debunked that one. You can keep repeating your ad hominems, like trying to dismiss argument saying i don't understand anything. The main point i said doesn't really change it it still stands. I read it a lot of times and i've also read how marketing works and their pretty close. Is also easy to strawman like what you do like saying if you really know marketing yourself then you should know that. But with your logic, does not make me truthful now?
I’m not even trying to prove you wrong because it’d be pointless and it’d just be like talking to a wall as you don’t really seem open for discussion. Which is why I said you can do your own research if you’re so interested on the subject
If you just want to look for excuse dislikes saying it's pointless then why are you even here? I see, it's now that when someone just made a point you're just going to say that. Also i can't keep repeating that i'm already read what it's about and that is why i have already debunked it for you.
So you’ve read one article about it and are still angry about a movement that you quite literally know nothing about? This is probably the most least harmful movement ever so I’m not sure why you take offense to it, find better problems
You assume i only read one oracle and angry about the movement. A sumptuous doesn't really prove you anything and they are just based on your feelings perhaps you're angry because i actually made a point. And was the point even talking about abolishing that movement and shame anyone who supports it? No. All i'm saying is that a pointless movement and it's miss worded. So instead of asking me what about ask yourself why are you angry? What's your point asking this question anyway? Validation?
Uhh, do some research ASAP. Kids have been sent home from school, people have been fired from job... and all for wearing their natural hair or ethnic styles.
Black women report being 30 percent more likely to receive a formal grooming policy in the workplace. Additionally, the study found that some natural African-American hairstyles, such as locs, braids, and natural curls, are perceived as less professional.
Black women were 80 percent more likely to change their hairstyle to meet societal and workplace expectations.
For the study, the CROWN Coalition surveyed 2,000 United States women aged 24 to 64 who worked in office settings. When shown two images of a Black woman and White woman with the same hairstyle, respondents typically rated the White woman as 25 percent higher in “job readiness” than the Black woman. The results also found that Black women were 1.5 times more likely to have reported having been sent home or knew another Black women who was sent home because of her hair.
@doopayo Yeah I know there is so much stats in this. And this isn't even getting to slavery, passing for white in segregated America and the internalised black racism re good hair.
@doopayo you didn't lik me a study. you linked me to a news article about the source, which is a secondary source if you wanna get scientific on me, do it right.
but the fact that you linked me to a secondary source assuming this is "the study", makes me believe you just read the headline, cause that fit your narrative.
in fact not even the secondary source you cited gives you any argument against what i said, which was: "nobody forced them to not have natural hair ever".
I’m not going to argue that cause google can disprove that, all I’m doing is providing sources explains how natural hair effects black women. And just in general people with curlier hair are treated with bias just because of the hair that naturally grows out of their head
no google can not proof your position. you just look at arbitrary facts and come to your conclusion that you wanted to be true to begin with.
look at tattoos for example. it is very widely known that tattoos significantly reduce your employability. yet more and more people are getting tattoos beside the fact.
people are "forced" to not have tattoos in the same way you claim black people are "forced" to not have natural hair. they're not. and you have no way of arguig that. even from the source you picked there it is very clear that there is no amount of focre applied. if your employer doesn't like your hairstyle, don't work for that employer. simple as that. no force involved.
I read it all. It's more of you trying to tell someone about their experience. As I stated before, when you have kids being sent home and HR contacting people over hairstyles, then it IS force. It becomes a "either change your hair or..." situation. And that you can so plainly say to just not work there lets me know that you're out of touch. Because if my skills are up to par and I am qualified for the job, then my hair shouldn't be a factor. At all.
@ShaTTeredMasterpeace i'm not telling anyone about their experience. i'm saying that "nobody was forced to "not" have their natural hair", which is true. and you can bring all the statistical arguments you want about people being less likely to have a job or whatever. that does not contradict my point. i use words according to their meaning. you don't. when you don't get a job, cause the employer didn't like how you look, you assume it's "structural social oppression". i just move on to the next. that's the difference.
and i don't invalidate your experience at all. it's not like i said that it doesn't happen that you're not allowed to work in certain places with a certain style. though "force" is quite a different thing to that.
@genericname85 so there is statistical and anecdotal data that people have been forced to change their natural to earn a livelihood (if that isn't force I don't know what it is) and you are standing by nobosy ever forced them to not have theor natural hair ever. Just so we understand. And picking and sources is just deflecting.
nobody has agency about how you style your hair. only you have. force would be if the police came, kicked down your door and shaved your head (i'm exaggerating of course). you are free to express yourself in any way you want. though in CERTAIN professions, CERTAIN styles are not welcome. i have to abide by that rule as well, believe it or not. it's not forcing me to have a certain style. it's me making the free will decision to change my style for that job. not force.
you know in conscription, men are forced to shave their hair. that is "force", cause you don't get out of conscription and you're not free to keep long hair.
as long as women aren't conscribed, or in other way having their hairstyle altered by "force" without having a choice themself, you don't have a point.
It’s because a lot of people don’t know what to do with their natural hair so companies obviously exploit that into making products overpriced and misleading
If they don't can't manage natural hair without the use of purpose-built expensive hair products, then they probably shouldn't start a movement predicated on "embracing natural hair". As @JamesRandiDebates points out, it's an oxymoron. And social movements based on contradictory oxymorons create more confusion than anything.
When did you even hear me say anything about people not being able to maintain their natural hair without expensive hair products?
Please don’t put words in my mouth that where never said, I said big business and companies do this to make money. Statistically speaking black women spend a shit ton of money on their hair so the market is big business and part of the natural hair ligament is finding how to maintain you hair since everyone’s natural hair is different. So that people can fall in love with their natural hair.
Now I don’t expect you to understand the movement if you aren’t black or a women for that matter but could you not try to invalidate people that support the movement/ other people’s struggle with their natural hair especially if it’s a struggle you yourself will never go threw. At least try to educate yourself before trying to invalidate a movement.
And on a side note this wasn’t even the question I was asking, I asked what people thought it the influx of black people wearing their natural hair because of the natural hair movement. That’s all, so this tangent you’re going on about me saying movement is unnecessary.
"When did you even hear me say anything about people not being able to maintain their natural hair without expensive hair products?"
Literally in your previous comment. Yes I paraphrased a little. The point stands though. Don't make an entire movement about being "natural" when ithe follow-through is entirely contingent upon man-made interventions. (ie: expensive hair products).
But okay let's say we agree that 'big business' is cynically cashing in on a movement whose original intent had nothing to do with consuming any particular products. When there's enough money to be made, beauty companies will cash in on any and every beauty trend, even at the risk of bastardising the original message of the trend/'movement'. (pick whichever term best applies.)
Regardless, it doesn't make it any less ironic that a "natural" promoting movement has become effectively dependent on man-made solutions (even if their constituent ingredients are naturally derived, which may well be the case). I didn't have any axe to grind in my original comment. I was just pointing out the irony behind the matter at hand, based on the context given by your OP.
"part of the natural hair ligament is finding how to maintain you hair since everyone’s natural hair is different. So that people can fall in love with their natural hair."
Sorry but that just seems like consumerism with extra steps. I tried out several body washes before finding the one that best suits my sensitive skin. But I didn't form an entire social movement around sensitive skin care. I'm sure there's some other context for this movement that I'm missing, but "what you see is all there is", and I just can't see past the irony of the whole thing. No disrespect intended by that, it's just what I see from where I'm standing.
"At least try to educate yourself before trying to invalidate a movement."
I'm neither validating it nor invalidating it. People are free to follow whatever movements they like. I just find it contradictory to say its a "natural" movement, when it essentially just provides marketers with a new in-road to hawking overpriced beauty products.
I’m not going to explain this anymore since it’s wasting my time and you guys aren’t getting the point. If you want more to info on this than a lot of youtubers explain it well
Because of the history of black women not being able to wear their natural hair out because of risk not getting a job since natural hair used to be seen as “unprofessional” and still kind of is. And the whole point of the movement is to embrace your natural hair despite whatever stigma might be behind it
I must be older than my own mother then. Because I’ve been turned down before because of my natural hair having dreadlocks because it was seen as “unprofessional” for their company image. And turned down from a job I had good qualifications for all because “I didn’t look like their target audience” and they wanted to make their clients comfortable by presenting them with people they can “identify with”. Both places got hit with discrimination law suits. One current got closed down in 2017 and the second is actually still in court. My point being is that as long as I don’t stink, dressed like an idiot, or is dumb if I meet the qualifications for a job or not... my skin color or my hair should not ever be a reason is deciding to hire anyone.
Coily natural hair types can appear frizzy naturally because the curls aren’t defined. And if you’re so adamant about natural hair being clean, if you actually did your research on curly hair you’d realize that the curlier your hair is the harder it is for oil to trap in, meaning your hair won’t get oily and dirty as fast.
Appearing frizzy and being actually frizzy are also 2 different things anyone can also differentiate. So really what you should also research is the difference between those two if you are such a googlealeck. And that is for strawmanning assuming i dont accept your curls. No. Im saying frizz not curl. Of course there is always pros and cons of every hair type. Kinky hair isng the only one.
But really i thought you are encouraging them to take care of it properly but then you're saying it's hard? You're just going to contradict everything at the end do you?
Having frizzy hair doesn’t necessarily mean anything’s wrong with your hair. And I’m saying that the movement is filled with people educating other people how to take care of their natural hair. Because it’s hard for most people
Taking care of your hair means minimizing your frizz as much as possible and anyone can actually see anyone trying to make effort. And you see you just said the theory again which is basically just marketing actually and not what the practice demonstrates
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