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Why I Chose Egalitarianism (Page 3)
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Great post.
Feminism likes to use shaming to coerce behavior, it's good to see more and more people seeing through this manipulation tactic.
I have no idea why feminisim is back again... Seems to me like a relic from 80s.
It's not near as popular as it used to be. I feel like most of the feminists are in their 40's and 50's. I rarely meet a feminist in their 20's.
You gave me nothing to argue with. This was boring. Pat yourself on the back.
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Equality is a false god, it is unattainable.
They will keep pushing it and it just keeps getting more ridiculous. There will be no end, they will never be contempt.
The only reason why equality is "unattainable" is because of people who hold and latch onto sexism, unwilling to see the optimal solution
Whats normalcy for us will be sexism tomorrow. It will only get worse
i'm not into "mytakes" basically... but i noticed your "editor" badge... is this a new thing?
Yes, it is new.
Let me be simple. Because of too much issues and concerns about women, feminists do not and should not be distracted by any other issues than women. I hope it explains everything.
What issues? What do women not have now that feminist groups are going to get for them?
That is for feminists to find out!
Great answer jamaluddin!
Yeah!!! Kids need rights too! According to the government, kids are not real people until they are at least 16-18.
military age lmao
just what conservatives look for
I am confused how egalitarianism would be compared to feminism.
Egalitarianism:
: a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
: a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people
Feminism:
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests
Similar definition but one word makes more sense technically and in practice.
But why would actually compare the two. Egalitarianism ( https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/ ) is a political philosophy dedicated more towards civil rights than it is social justice.
"But why would actually compare the two. Egalitarianism ( https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/ ) is a political philosophy dedicated more towards civil rights than it is social justice."
Because they serve the same function whether the technicalities align or not. Egalitarianism (or a similar concept) could fundamentally replace the need for feminism. It is also defined as "a social philosophy" in the dictionary so I'm not sure I would agree with your assessment.
In either case it wouldn't make much difference. It's the idea that justice should be for all people rather than just women. That's why the Civil Rights Movement is, to many, greater than the Black Power Movement.
Apparently Stanford doesn't agree with your assessment. Take it up with them.
Anyway, you still haven't actually answered my question so I presume you never will.
"Apparently Stanford doesn't agree with your assessment. Take it up with them."
If they attempt to contradict my information I will but I strongly doubt that will because most of what they're saying isn't contradicting my point which is that equality should be for all rather than less.
"Anyway, you still haven't actually answered my question so I presume you never will."
I thought I did. Your question was: "But why would actually compare the two." presumably which wasn't even phrased as a question. My answer was: "Because they serve the same function whether the technicalities align or not. Egalitarianism (or a similar concept) could fundamentally replace the need for feminism."
doubt they will*
The problem with your assertion is that if they serve the same function one doesn't replace the other because they serve the same function. That's like taking a spoon and replacing it with a different spoon and then saying that you are comparing the spoons and that spoon A is better than spoon B based on absolutely nothing.
"The problem with your assertion is that if they serve the same function one doesn't replace the other because they serve the same function. That's like taking a spoon and replacing it with a different spoon and then saying that you are comparing the spoons and that spoon A is better than spoon B based on absolutely nothing."
I see your point! I'll clarify: Egalitarianism accurately serves the function Feminism claims to which is: equal opportunities for the sexes (by making adjustments wherever necessary). BUT Egalitarianism actually means what it claims to by definition. Whereas Feminism is fundamentally about advocating for women. Words mean things. I'm saying that Egalatarinism could replace Feminism, Masculinism (if that exists), The Black Rights Movement (if that exists), etc. It's about streamlining and simplifying. It would also hopefully help to root out radical feminists.
Firstly, Humanism sounds a better fit for what you're describing than political philosophies like Egalitarianism. Secondly Egalitarian thought is political in nature; it is completely civic so the concept of things that are not civic such as public attitudes towards nudity, an active 3rd wave feminist issue, would not be Egalitarian. Even things like the pay wage gap aren't Egalitarian because Egalitarianism actually defends an employers right to pay their employees how they see fit since there is no direct civic interference (sans the minimum wage) from the State.
None of this works the way you think it does.
"Firstly, Humanism sounds a better fit for what you're describing than political philosophies like Egalitarianism. Secondly Egalitarian thought is political in nature; it is completely civic so the concept of things that are not civic such as public attitudes towards nudity, an active 3rd wave feminist issue, would not be Egalitarian. Even things like the pay wage gap aren't Egalitarian because Egalitarianism actually defends an employers right to pay their employees how they see fit since there is no direct civic interference (sans the minimum wage) from the State. "
Yes it does. It works exactly like I said it does. Worst case scenario you would change the technicality. Feminism and Egalitarianism both deal with politics so I don't get your point. OH you're right though those parts of Feminism it wouldn't replace. Those are more radical Feministic policies as I understand. I'm talking about the general notion of Feminism as far as equal opportunity goes.
Also no lol humanism is: : a system of values and beliefs that is based on the idea that people are basically good and that problems can be solved using reason instead of religion
"Even things like the pay wage gap aren't Egalitarian because Egalitarianism actually defends an employers right to pay their employees how they see fit since there is no direct civic interference (sans the minimum wage) from the State."
Lol no. Egalitarianism is about equal opportunity and that doesn't appear to be equal opportunity. I have no idea what you're talking about.
3rd Wave Feminism encompasses much more than politics. 2nd Wave feminism encompassed much more than politics. 1st Wave Feminism wasn't even about political standing. Gender issues for instance and sexualization are not political issues, they are social issues, and Egalitarianism doesn't address them. Humanism does but Egalitarianism does not. As a matter of fact Egalitarianism is not simply "Everyone is equal", and in all honesty is far more complex speaking on the value of Personhood and divulging what is and isn't a universal right/liberty and the management of these civic and legal issues.
I don't think anyone here has actually read anything about Feminism. When you say "Radical Feminism" you're referring to a boogeyman that hasn't existed in over 30 years and pretty much died out with 2nd Wave; 3rd Wave, which doesn't deal in or with Civil Rights, lacks grounds for any type of "Radical Feminism".
You give a man a dictionary and he's happy to change the meanings of everything.
"it is completely civic so the concept of things that are not civic such as public attitudes towards nudity, an active 3rd wave feminist issue"
Nah I disagree. Politics relate to civic issues lol what are you talking about? That's the point of having laws. It affects what happens to people.
Have you ever actually studied any of these philosophies?
"Have you ever actually studied any of these philosophies?"
Not overly in depth but enough to understand the gist, yes. That's why I wasn't shocked when you mentioned Feminism in waves. I'm talking about the fundamental concept of Feminism vs Egalitarianism. I'm not saying it can entirely replace everything about Feminism but fundamentally it appears that it could.
Thanks for posting such an interesting perspective on this... I Love new information so much.
Wow @Despondency you lost me when you mentioned the gender pay gap that has been debunked repeatedly and even an Obama spokesman admitted it was a lie...
"As a matter of fact Egalitarianism is not simply "Everyone is equal", and in all honesty is far more complex speaking on the value of Personhood and divulging what is and isn't a universal right/liberty and the management of these civic and legal issues."
Lol you keep pretending I don't know all of that or at least the gist of it. If Egalitarianism has baggage that's fine. It doesn't detract from my point which is that Feminism could and probably should be replaced by a movement the focuses on justice for all rather than a fewer group. The technicality is irrelevant. It's an idea. You're chasing a phantom. Also, the movement does have radicals in it now. They have women's studies programs now that focus on things like the SCUM manifesto.
I am not sure you even know your point seeing as you have admitted that there are core differences, that you really don't know what you're talking about, and that you are using surface level understanding of both definitions and are being indiscriminate working off of social fooba.
It is what it is. You win. I lose. Let us move on with life.
I have the strangest boner right now
could you apply egalitarianism to the oft contentious subject of dating and its harsh inequality?
Could you explain what exactly you're referring to? If you're talking about which sex should approach the other or who should pay for dates, I think both men AND women should approach someone they are attracted to and women shouldn't expect men to pay for dates, especially on a first date, I think splitting the bill makes more sense unless one of them (man or woman) insists on paying the whole tab. If that's not what you were talking about then I apologize, feel free to explain more what you were asking.
Sadly theory doesn't equate to practice and tradition seems to be drilled into modern society. Where is the dating show where women ACTIVELY approach men that they like and buy them a drink? Itll be many years yet...
@delsp Just because it's what I think doesn't mean other women think this way. A lot of women still believe the man should approach and do all the "work" in the dating world. I have personally approached men myself before, sometimes it worked out and sometimes it didn't. Not all women are like me though.
Still, it's pretty difficult for media to try to work to change female perception towards an egalitarian thought pattern when 90% of powerful tv/ad executives are men, and a significant proportion are likely to have a sexist bias ridiculing the thought
Go Equalism👍
GREAT TAKE!!! Gawd bless u mami~! (;
Great take as always :)
We need to get rid of all the feminists.
Nah we need to get rid of sexist people
Just the fat ones
The majority of feminists are sexists so that works just fine.
There's no reason you can't be both.
You could choose a hundred words that mean the same thing and serve the same function. But why not streamline it and simplify it? Out with the old and in with the new.
Feminism is oppression against men. So you can't be both.
Don't give me the internet definition garbage. All you have to do is look at the average feminist and see this is obvious.
Or you're only looking at femnazis. Feminism is not meant to be oppressive toward men.
Good take.
That is interesting
I didn't have a lot to say hahaha
Pardon my brevity!
sounds good to me. i agree with you.
Great take sis