Is there any such thing as an honest woman?

[Anonymous]

Seems to me like all you get from women is deceit and duplicity. Everything that a woman says is always double-speak; women almost always mean the opposite of what they actually say. Everything she says she wants, she wants the opposite. Everything she claims to hate, she loves; everything she claims to love, she hates. Is there any such thing as an honest woman?

Yes

No

Not sure

Not any more

[Rainie_]

Of course there is. Anyone who says no is paranoid and generalising af.

If your point was truly the case then all nuns should go to hell for being such constant liars 🙄 Have you ever thought about the fact that you are generalising half the population? Yeah no I didn't think so.

Just because you've met a few women who you've had bad experiences with doesn't mean the rest of women are the same. You would get mad at me for calling every guy a rapist just because of a bad experience I've been through and the constant sexual harassment I have to deal with often. I don't go around calling every guy that because I know its not true and people are individuals. Im not into being that close minded and throwing everyone else under the bus because of a few bad apples.

[Asker]

I believe that everyone is already in hell. You might know it better as 'earth', or 'life'. But what it really is is hell. Have I ever thought about the fact that I'm generalizing half the population? No, because I'm explicitly not doing anything of the sort; I'm talking about MY experience, half of the SAMPLE population which I've personally encountered. I wouldn't get mad at a girl from some hellhole like Islamic State's territories asking if there was any such thing as a nice man, because it'd be perfectly understandable for her to be doubtful and skeptical about that in context. And I have every reason to be just as doubtful about women's honesty as that girl would have to be doubtful about men's integrity.

[mmano]

I'm always honest. Never double talk. I always tell him if I'm angry or sad or mad or happy or if I want something.. I never expect him to find out what I want from little hints. That's bullshit. Never say to him 'it's fine' if it is not.
I tell the truth even if it's really hard for me to talk about something..
It's just hard to find a partner with this. In my last 2 relationship that was the problem. They realized how honest I am with everything and they had to realize that they can't be that kind of honest as I am..

[Asker]

Sorry, but I don't believe you. Because it's just completely at odds with everything I've ever seen any female actually do. Something which I've heard time and time again- men are straight lines, while women are circles. And circular logic isn't logic. Circular truths ("it's true, because I say it's the truth, and because it just is!") aren't truths- they're lies.

[mmano]

You believe whatever you want to believe. I know a lot if girl with this double talking, waiting for the guy to figure out what they want but not telling them, all the girly magazines tell you how can you lead a guy to do what you want them to do, not by telling them what you really want.. Ahh. Hints and tricks will work!
So yeah, I understand why you don't believe me. Actually I don't see the point to tell lies on an anonymous website, but if you don't believe me, it's fine.

I've never seen this kind of honesty what I do and what I expect in a relationship and I really think that is the key for the long lasting relationship, so I'm trying to live by that.

[mmano]

"it's true because I say it's true" maybe you should stop dating dummies. 😁 sorry I just can't imagine this one as a real conversation unless it's with a 3 year old kid.

[Asker]

"Women are always right". That's what you hear from absolutely everyone. And yes, it does make it feel like I'm around 3yr old kids, with all of the brattiness and none of the cuteness or redeeming features. But that's the way that all women are, the attitude which all women have. I say this, I'm a woman, so I'm right and everyone on earth who argues against me is wrong no matter what they say if they're a man. Evidence isn't evidence, proof isn't proof, all that matters is "I'm a woman, I'm right, you're a man, you're wrong, end of story".

[mmano]

Well, I've never heard this sentence from a woman, so I guess not all of then are the same. I'm sorry for you to find all the dummies.
And sorry, but If you really think that woman are all the same just because of some bad experience, then I don't think you deserve any better.
I'm sick of this generalization..

[Anonymous]

Ah yes, but honest women don't make you swoon with their praise and flattery. You aren't the greatest, the best, the bravest, the smartest man with an honest woman, even if she loves you. You have to try harder to please her, she will not caress you with sweet words for small achievements like she would a small boy. You have to listen to her, rather than dictate. You have to respect her rather than make empty promises and offer fancy trappings. You have to relate to her as a human rather than a pretty plaything.

[Asker]

All of which are the exact reasons why I want an honest woman. I want a real woman who I can relate to and who can relate with me as a human being; if I just wanted a pretty plaything, I'd just go and buy a sex doll.

[Opinion Owner]

Wise choice - not everyone makes it.

[Anonymous]

I'm my experience nope even my female friend lie to me. Forget the women that I try to date. They will lie like a rug. No woman is complete honest with guys. They will lye about at least one thing so that they seem more interesting.
Every one sins women seem to just enjoy lying as their preferred sin.

[Djvines]

I think it's sad that you have to ask this question my heart reaches out to you bro but there are my ex was one but she was too honest and if you want more examples then my mum my sister my cousin and my current girlfriend

[Anonymous]

How many women have you actually met/dated in your life? From that number or from those interactions, you some how believe that on planet earth, there are somehow no honest women? I'm all for telling your truth.. which is the women you've interacted with may not have been honest, but using that small sample size and trying to imply that it's all women... dude, come on. The same people who ask these types of questions would be offended if someone claimed that all men are this or all women are that...

[Asker]

5,000+ is not a small sample size. And if I were implying that it were all women, there'd be no point in asking this question, would there? It IS all women I've ever met or dated in my life. And from that, I know that there have been no honest women who I've ever interacted with. Nothing more, nothing less. Given my margin of error, confidence level and sample size, my sample group of 5000's sufficient to be considered scientifically representative of a population of over 7 million people. At the very least, I can unequivocally state that, based on my results, a statistician can draw the conclusion that there's no such thing as an honest woman here in Greater London.

[Opinion Owner]

Then you should probably start off by saying that you are asking b/c of the women you've met specifically... but you didn't do that. You just generalized using the term women, not women in London, not you've dated dishonest women, therefore...

[Alaskan_123]

I'm mostly always honest. I mostly double speak for the same reason everyone else does, to make the other person feel better. I see a girl wear an ugly shade of lipstick, I say "I love your bold color choice!" Because it is bold that she's pulling it off, and I love her confidence for it.

[cross98]

yup, their very bad people, its so bad to find one. their terrorist, raping kids in huge numbers and so many of them are killers, there's only so little male killers. males are so well thought out and aren't emotionally unavailable like women are. in islam it says the males must cater to the females every whim.

[SolitarySolace]

In my experience? No. When a woman cheats they’re not honest about having cheated. They cry and deny and beg and plead because he, you, did so much for her, sacrificed so much for her, and she just went and gave some other guy who didn’t do any of that for her exactly what she should be giving you. Honest my ass

[deraz24]

That's probably the few you've ran into lol, I mean what I say, I don't see a point in being dishonest and playing games.

[Asker]

Several thousand women in succession, without a single exception, isn't just "the few you've ran into lol".

[deraz24]

It seems like you're hurt, and you're telling me you've tried to persue "several thousand women", either way there's several thousand more that are completely honest or maybe that's just the women you attract unfortunately

[Asker]

I'm not even talking about attraction. I'm talking about every single woman I've had any meaningful interaction with.

[deraz24]

Well that's something they need to work out, it has to be a reason but it's dif for everyone, like they seem guarded around you enough to not tell the truth. Establish a better relationship is all can think of

[HOAAH]

Hi yes, I believe that there are honest women out there

[Asker]

Where? And how do I find them?

[Puppylove94]

Yeah cause you had a bad experience ALL of us women suck now. Ha.

[Asker]

Several thousand exclusively bad experiences in a row, from EVERY woman I've ever met? Yeah, I'd say that's pretty comprehensive. The only females I've EVER met who've EVER been honest to me about ANYTHING have all either been supervised and on camera (clearly wanting to lie, from their expressions and posture, but being unable to get away with it at the time), or under the age of 7. So, yes- all of you women do suck now. Sorry, but I've given you all every chance in the world, believed that you were near-perfect for so long, only for every one of you to dispel that illusion over and over again. Sooner or later, a guy has to face facts. And the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of that conclusion which you just summarized- all of you women suck now. Ha.

[Puppylove94]

you all? You have never met me. You have never met 99% of women in the world. You're accusation is completely unjust. But go right ahead and be a loner the rest of your life- i sure as hell won't try to stop you.

[Cosytoasty]

Several thousand? Daaaaaamn playa!

[Asker]

Of COURSE I haven't met 99% of women in the world. It's humanly impossible for anyone to meet more than 0.0001% of the world population in their entire lifetime, let alone make judgement calls about their character. But a sample size of over 5,000 is more than comprehensive enough to stand up to the professional scrutiny of a social analyst. And for 100% of that sample group to have been that way? That's more than enough to constitute conclusive scientific proof. No, I haven't met you. But from the way you talk, I don't need to meet to to know that you're exactly the same in this respect as everyone else. Say one thing, mean something else. "Go right ahead and be a loner the rest of your life- I sure as hell won't try to stop you." Translation? "Stop right there and don't be a loner the rest of your life- I'm sure as hell trying to stop you." Double-speak, double-speak everywhere. But it's only to be expected- after all, you're a woman...

[Puppylove94]

dude no- when i say be a loner the rest of your life i mean it. I could give 2 fucks- I don't know you. And i didn't mean can choose to be, i meant you WILL be with this mindset.

[Asker]

@Cosytoasty by the way, I'm talking about ANY form of social interaction of a sufficient length and depth to make judgements about peoples' character and honesty (15 mins bare minimum). The vast majority didn't involve any romantic interest from either party whatsoever; I'd say that only 1 in 100 of the females that I've met have ever invoked any sexual interest from me. Of these, there have only been a grand total of 3 (out of more than 5,000) who I still found sexually attractive after being around them for over an hour- and even these three were all dishonest about things, and guilty of double-speak.

[Asker]

"dude no- when i say be a loner the rest of your life i mean it. I could give 2 fucks- I don't know you." Putting 'could' there instead of 'couldn't' wasn't a typo, was it? That's the actual thing that you're thinking, coming out as a Freudian slip. I know you, know women in general, well enough to see that now. And FYI, I'm not a loner- you think that a loner would have had meaningful interactions with more than 5,000 different women, since he started counting at the age of 16? Work it out. If you can- I know that mathematical calculation and linear logic isn't exactly your strong suit. More than a quarter of an hour spent having a conversation with at least one new woman, every single day, for the entirety of one's adult life? Does that sound like a loner to you?

[Puppylove94]

the fact that you counted you interactions with people indicates to me that you are socially inept.

[Cosytoasty]

You still haven't stated your actual argument. In what way have all these women managed to deceive you?

[Puppylove94]

@Cosytoasty hahah and silence... that means he has no actual argument.

[Asker]

No, it means that this fucking useless website is overloaded with unblockable adverts which keep crashing my server. "the fact that you counted you interactions with people indicates to me that you are socially inept." The fact that you don't count yours indicates to me that you didn't care about your social interactions, or who you interacted with- that they were all meaningless to you, and might as well not have happened at all. I make it my business to remember everything, clinging onto every memory of every moment I’ve ever had with anyone else. And because of this, and my photographic memory, I remember every single word- I can always identify the inconsistencies in peoples' accounts which expose them as duplicitous, conniving, deceitful liars, little things which normal guys would never manage to pick up upon.

[Puppylove94]

So then why are women so deceitful? What have they done to you?

[Asker]

I don't know why. But every little thing, even if it's as tiny and insignificant as what profession they're in or what sort of stuff they're interested in, they always, always lie about, putting up false fronts. If you're always telling white lies, just for the sake of it, then you are an inherently deceitful person, and you can't be trusted. And I've yet to meet a single women who, when faced with the choice of either telling a white lie or being honest, has had even a moment's hesitation before lying to my face.

[Cosytoasty]

I believe you are displaying a symptom of Aspergers;

• Heightened Sense of Honesty, Integrity and Right & Wrong

An acute and heightened sense of what is right and wrong, and also, of justice. A pronounced level of honesty and integrity are something that people with AS will expect from others. However, that interpretation of honesty and integrity may not automatically be shared by them.

Many with AS will not accept, or come to terms easily or readily with, the fact that others may not automatically feel or display the same viewpoint or behaviour.

www.aspergermanagement.com/.../

[Cosytoasty]

There is help out there if you are willing to seek it.

Knowing why you believe this and why most other people do not, will perhaps help you to check your level of... expectation and in likelyhood improve your interactions women (and people) in general.

[Asker]

@Cosytoasty Yes, I do have Asperger's. But I'm not going to compromise my values and settle for some girl who I know to be deceitful and dishonest, who I can't trust to tell the truth about even the tiniest little things because it's easier and more convenient for her to lie about them, and I catch her out doing so at every opportunity. I do have a heightened sense of honesty, integrity, and of right and wrong. But I don't demand perfection, or anywhere near that. No integrity, no honesty, no consistency or moral standards? Then you don't earn my trust, and I don't want you. Simple as that.

[Puppylove94]

@Cosytoasty impressive diagnosis

[Rissyanne]

The asker definitely needs psychiatric help. I hope he gets it soon

[Anonymous]

Oh man yes, there are honest women out here! I'm one of them...

[Asker]

Hard to take stock in that when you're anonymous...

[Anonymous]

You ever think that maybe the reason they seem to be so deceitful to you is because of YOU? Are you being the perfect angel all the time?

[Asker]

I'm most certainly not a "perfect angel all the time"; but I have ethics, I have standards, and I have morals. I'm the most honest and straightforward guy you'll ever meet- just like Mr. Spock, I never lie, period. But I'm also extremely forgiving, accepting and open-minded. Tell me anything at all, and I'll understand, I'll be able to accept it. But I can't trust someone if I know that person's perfectly comfortable with lying to me. And no trust, no relationship.

[andyscoiotu]

there are girls that are ok and honest.. most girls that I've had interesting conversations tended to be that way

[Anonnnn909]

I think there are some psychological illnesses which dispose one to blurt out whatever is on their mind or truly be honest and truthful.
In which case, technically, yes.

[Anonymous]

Troll bait from a "man" with a big chip on his shoulder. Ignore.

[Anonymous]

You need to step out of this delusional bubble you have created for yourself. See therapy.

[itsallover]

Welp, better stay away from us then eh :)

[Asker]

Only a complusive liar could possibly take this question as a personal insult. Being exposed as one isn't nice, is it? But it's still far better than being lied to.

[itsallover]

Insulted by some random anon on the internet? Oh, honey 😂

[Asker]

Who's insulting? Certainly not me. 'Welp', on the other hand, couldn't have been anything other than a personal insult. You just can't help yourself, can you? You even lie to yourselves...

[itsallover]

You're clearly unable to take things non-literally or detect sarcasm.

[Asker]

Ah, sarcasm- the lowest form of 'wit'...

[itsallover]

Who said I was trying to be witty?

[Rissyanne]

If women are so terrible... why don't you try men.

[Asker]

And what the hell does that have to do with honesty? I'm not talking about women in relationships, I'm talking about women, period. Tell me, Rissyanne- when was the last time that you went for a whole day without lying to someone about something? When was the last time that anyone you know went for a whole day without lying to someone about something? I'm not denying that men are dishonest too, by the way; but men are so inept at lying that they typically give up on lying habitually by the time they become adults, because they can't pull it off. Women, on the other hand? They're experts at the non-verbal signs, fooling the polygraph tests and lying through their teeth; women are the best liars in the world. But no matter how skilled you are as a con-artist, the inconsistencies will give you away when people look into the truth of the matter, look at the evidence, analyse and investigate. I always do- and I always find that women have lied to me.

[Rissyanne]

Dude seek help...

[Asker]

Says the 50yr old woman who's proud of her profligacy and boasts about how many teens she's slept with. Who needs professional help more? Me, or you?

[Rissyanne]

You are delusional also. I've never sleep with teens. Definitely you need psychiatric help. You are the one that bitching about women. You have some issues. Maybe you have been rejected multiple times. I don't know. But there is definitely something missing upstairs

[Asker]

Liar liar pants on fire. And literally all that you can to is toss cheap insults. Grow up and- well, I could say to act your age, but that'll never happen. How about trying to act half your age? That might just be an achievable goal. Or not. Either way, don't really care. Your choice, OAP...

[Rissyanne]

Seek help...

[Asker]

You need a shrink. Badly.

[Rissyanne]

Lol... coming from someone who is disturbed

[Asker]

Lol. How freaking obsessed with me are you? Go sexually harass some of those toyboys you love so much instead. I'm, not, interested- I, have, STANDARDS. Get the message?

[Rissyanne]

Gosh you are some kind of psycho. I'm muting this question

[Wade12345]

Guy, shut up. Goodness. You whine too much.

[elly91]

Yes. ... thats me...👍

[Anonymous]

Nope, you should stay away from us all!

[LiamJHayden]

Esther Margareta Vilar.

[DarkLegacy]

The men have it right on this poll.