Why don't women accept hitting the wall more gracefully?

[Anonymous]

You can't fight the course of nature.

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I just chose a random picture that comes up when you type "hitting the wall". Lopez is not the point of this. Celebrities are really immune to this because if their status. We are not celebrities and we can't use them as examples of us. So me posting more pics of celebs means nothing, t's just obviously much harder to find aged side by side pictures of the average woman without being on some weirdo shit.

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This is gonna sound crazy hypocritical and you probably won't believe me but I actually have a thing for older chicks. I was just asking a question, I understand we live in a highly tense and charged world but not everyone has hidden agendas.

[psychoticanimallover]

The left is a picture of J-Lo with makeup. The right is a picture of J-Lo without makeup. Lol...

Define graceful. If you’re referring to celebrities and their plastic surgery, I don’t really get that either, but to each their own. And I guess if you’re J-Lo or whoever, your sexual value is kind of based on what people think of when they hear your name (which generally is an iconic image of yourself from when you were at your physical peak), so you’ll still be viewed as a sex symbol most of your life. They also seem to be able to attract hot younger men if we’re going by the likes of Kylie Minogue, Kate Beckinsale etc. If you have the monetary ability to live a decadent lifestyle then people will flock to you no matter how old you are or what you look like, but nips and tucks will just satisfy the reflection in the mirror!

So I guess to answer your question in the best way I can, they probably do it because they realise that they can, and because they’re more focused on being satisfied in their own lives than worrying about what a certain percentage of the population think of them. And that’s how we should all live! Who cares what wankers think of you?

Why do you care anyway? Seems like that wouldn’t really affect you...

[Asker]

I guess I care insofar as me just being a social observer. It doesn't really affect me, you are right.

[Anonymous]

Its true that the majority of attractive females lose their siren call after they pass 30 years old, while attractive males only get more attractive well into their 30s.
Women need to accept this fact of nature and choose to lock down their husband while theyre in their early 20s. Waiting till 28-30 to get married is satanic (anti-nature). First of all, it encourages promiscuity. Secondly, it lowers the quality of a girl's children. Thirdly, women remain depressed or "mysteriously sad" even though they have a loving family, active sex life, and successful career. Why? Because they are 'semen deficient', a term i coined myself to describe the condition of most women. Indeed there are 2.5x more women on anti depressants than men. That appears ironic since women have more freedom than ever before. Or do they? Actially women are less free than ever before because theyre shamed for wanting children while theyre young. Women NEED children to be happy. Just like men NEED to "climb the mountain" to be happy. Its truly ironic that feminism has made women less free. Not surprisimgly tho, the early feminists were ugly women that couldnt have children (or were too self conscious to have children). It was all planned to be this way, miserable women love company.

[Unit1]

In the moment before "the wall" they take their youth and beauty for granted. Since she has 100 simps messaging her on the regular on a monthly basis (obviously they are wanting just sex or her nudes) she thinks she can get any boyfriend she wants like ordering from the menu. She will think she got everything she needs (youth, beauty and sex) to get a good man but in truth those are the bare minimum and rather unconvincing parameters because almost half of the human population can offer the same as she does (and then it's a matter of question which of the 1000 girls we'll pick by those same parameters). When that number of inboxing messages/follows diminishes, she'll see it happening. Tick tock on the clock! And then the awakening. Who loves waking up to bad news?

[CubsterShura]

It is hard with women being only valued when they are young. Most women get a lot of attention in their youth so when old age comes and the attention drastically declines it is hard to adjust with it, compared to suppose if the change was more steady. It is not about whether or not it is a good or bad thing, most of us naturally feel out of our element if something that we are familiar with isn't there anymore, a universal truth for both genders. The media has learned to capitalize on this even further by convincing women that they can prevent it all and the perfect woman can totally do it and if a woman can't then something is wrong with her.

Sure technology has improved a lot and women can maintain a youthful appearance by taking good care of their skin and overall health, supplementing and all that. It is feasible to maintain yourself and still look good as you get older even with signs of ageing, but a big change requires more than that and most women cannot afford it. And ultimately, it can never be brought to a full stop.

[Asker]

Rational and critical thinking women like this are the most attractive in my book. Intelligence is beautiful.

[Mrhealer]

(Unpopular opinion here)

I still found Kerry Fisher attractive, even though she was 60 years old in 2016 (at her death,) and the drugs took a toll on her life. Maybe it's because she was feisty, intelligent, funny, and caring.

Would I find her more attractive if she looked younger? Ofcourse, but if she didn't have that amazing personality, I wouldn't be at all. For me, personality is the key factor for a women. Looks I find attractive is just a bonus for me.

Just from reading your comment, I can tell you're a very smart lady, men like me value that more than how old you look.

You may have not needed this reply, but I feel it needs to be said for men and women with self confidence problems. I hope whoever reads this can get something from it.

[CubsterShura]

@Mrhealer well that's nice and reassuring to know! There are still many gorgeous older women out there but even then they would usually need to have other good qualities to have a man attracted to them. A woman who is in her prime years hardly has to do anything to turn some heads and guys wanting to talk to them even if she is not very intelligent or witty or whatever, as long as she is available it happens. It may not be from the type of men that we desire but it's there and we're aware of it.

So naturally when that goes down and no one pays attention anymore it can feel pretty rough. Just for the fact that women are used to something completely different for about two whole decades. That's a long time to get habituated with something.

[Mrhealer]

I completely agree! I can say from my experience as a man I've had similar experiences with self confidence issues.

Now, I'm not an authority on gender, so take my theory with a grain of salt, but I think men have a similar issue, but I think it's reversed. Women have more self confidence issues when they get older, and men have it more earlier in life. It may be false, but that's how it seems to me judging from the women that I've had in my life.

I'm 23 and I've had issues with women for a while-mostly women around my age when I was younger. A few women would tell me that I'm ugly, and I have no future. I know those women are the minority and they're skanks who will probably and up with a dude that'll treat them like garbage, and I shouldn't let their opinions affect me, but it cuts deep hearing it. I know that I'm not ugly.

I'd consider myself average in the looks department, but my personality and talents make up for my short comings, I think.

This may sound weird/non reassuring coming from a random dick head on the internet, but you sound like a catch to me! You're rational, critical, honest, etc.

Damn, we could write a book with the words on this thread.

[Mrhealer]

@CubsterShura I keep forgetting to @ people. There should be a reply feature. Shittier apps have better optimization than this.

[CubsterShura]

Women have self-esteem issues from the moment they hit puberty until she becomes a lot older when they have experienced everything and they just don't give a damn anymore 😂😂 it sounds pretty tempting to become that super flamboyant rich single elderly lady.

[Asker]

@CubsterShura Self esteem issues don't discriminate by gender. Looks matter to women as well, there's a lot of men who don't fit the tall, handsome, knight in shining armor role. And you have to remember that it's socially acceptable for women to roast the shit out of mens looks, especially during rejection. A lot of chicks will eat a dude alive ans he just has to accept it

[Mrhealer]

@CubsterShura Yeah, that wasn't part of my tinfoil idea.

In my ideal life, I want to be an old dude that is married to a 30 year old, and gets super high and storms in here room every night saying "Hey bitch, get up! We're gonna go to taco bell!"

I also want a butler, but I only want him to wear sunglasses and no shirt to make him look like a douchebag.

[CubsterShura]

@Asker true true true self-esteem issues aren't exclusive to women. However men actually have a certain standard or at least a foundation for beauty standard that's almost universal: being taller, darker, having more angular features, high status... Even if not looks wise most men can level themselves up on other matters and still achieve a better status.

Women don't get a break no matter what. Too skinny, too fat, too tall, too short, too big boobs, too small boobs, no matter how a woman looks she has to hear that something else is better. At least if a man is tall he won't get a bunch of people telling him that short is more attractive. If you have muscle definition no one will tell you that your muscles are ugly.

I have been chubby, I lost weight, I lifted weights in the gym and gained some muscles, I have received all kinds of comments. When I was chubby I was told to lose weight, when I lost weight I was told that I'm too skinny and my face doesn't look as cute anymore, when I went to the gym I was told that muscle won't suit my figure. Even perfectly beautiful women are self-conscious about something like violin hips or stretch marks.

Men also have issues but in terms of physical appearance it is nothing close to the extent of what women go through.

[Mrhealer]

@Asker @CubsterShura https://yo utu. be/Wil1Nae80qA

[Tracker1958]

A good woman would only want to look good for her man. Not the whole male species. That one thing tell men a lot about what kind of woman she is. If she advertising her body out in public, she is sending men that she is shopping for a man, even if she has a man.

[Ellie-V]

I just don’t like that term and what it means. It supports the idea that people (men and women but mostly women) are less valuable the older you are simply because you look different... as if getting old is a bad thing. I’m actually quite okay with getting wrinkles, saggy skin, freckles, gray hair, the whole nine. I choose to feel beautiful inside and out regardless of how others tell me how much I’ve “hit the wall”.
Okay and? Like, is that supposed to be an insult? People are aware that they are getting closer to death. It’s not rocket science. And to go out of your way to shove it in people’s faces with this popular hit the wall slogan, seems like more a shaming tactic whenever women carry over their confidence to older age or even when they are insecure and want to dress them up more with clothes and makeup... sometimes that even extends to women simply having the desire to want to continue dating or getting into a relationship. You’re just kicking somebody when you consider them to be “down” or in an inferior place in their life.
I haven’t gotten to that age where that’s something I have to hear on a regular basis but it is annoying to witness beautiful ladies of older age get told “ah well you’ve hit the wall”. Like even if they are not beautiful in your eyes, why are you going out of your way to make them see what you see? Older women and even older men deserve to preserve their self esteem without assholes trying to make them feel like shit.

[Asker]

This is gonna sound crazy hypocritical and you probably won't believe me but I actually have a thing for older chicks. I was just asking a question, I understand we live in a highly tense and charged world but not everyone has hidden agendas.

[silvermoon84]

As a woman in her thirties who has “hit the wall” it’s because it indicates that I only had any value at all for being 22 and gorgeous and not for having humility or moral character. Additionally, I also get sick of being judged for not having a man in my life at this age and having to justify ALL THE TIME why I’m still single to men and older people who just assume there’s something wrong with me. Yeah there’s a reason why, it’s because I got dumped by guys left and right because I wouldn’t sleep with them. I refuse to sleep with men who I’m not in love with so if that means I remain a lonely old cat lady for the rest of my life, so be it. As for the men who won’t date me because of my age, they’re not options for me anyway so no loss to either me or them really.

[dpy87]

Did you actually think people liked you because of you when you were younger? Not trying to be mean but its obvious when people only treat you well because you look good.

[silvermoon84]

@dpy87 I know why guys liked me back then, I’m not a dummy. I just didn’t know it at the time because I didn’t know any better. That’s why I’m glad I didn’t sleep with any of them. I know you weren’t trying to be mean. I’m not either, but I also know my worth. If the only thing men are going to value about me is beauty and sex appeal then I’d rather they leave me alone anyway.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think men who devalue women as they age are just afraid of themselves getting old. They are generally overly egotistical and very unnatural.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think people forget there’s a lot more tkk ok life than having kids. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy I have my little squirt. But God had higher intentions for us otherwise we wouldn’t have evolved beyond grunting and fucking.

[silvermoon84]

@Shuttlebus78 I love this answer. It’s great to know not all men think like this. Just be warned though you might get a response from other men accusing you of only telling me what I want to hear. I’m not accusing you of that myself, just giving you a heads up.

[bamesjond0069]

@silvermoon84 he white knights on ever topic on gag. Smh.

Thats very respectable that you don't sleep with these men. I do think men who want a family are the ones who have a problem with your age, not the nonsense he was saying.

I only date girls that do not have casual sex period. But i also want to have a lot of kids. So thats really the main reason i date younger women. Not because im afraid of getting old wtf.

[Imcmullan]

If this is you in your photo, you HAVE NOT HIT A WALL... you're so pretty.. n you don't even look your age. I think your morals and values are awesome n you're an example of what young girls should aspire to be.

[Shuttlebus78]

@bamesjond0069 no you’re just mad because you got caught lying over again last week. Haha! How is it wrong to value people at every age? How is it inaccurate or wrong to understand there’s people have evolved to where life is much more than just having kids. I love having children. But that doesn’t mean I’m worthless without them. There has been too much stupidity and thoughtless. Yes I will stand up for people of all ages because I find them valuable.

[silvermoon84]

@bamesjond0069 that’s actually a very good reason to date younger, and I respect that however, any woman with a sensible way of thinking wouldn’t be annoyed about that. Regardless of my age, I can’t have kids anyway due to a medical issue I was diagnosed I was diagnosed with years ago so I wouldn’t be a good match for a man who wants his own biological children anyway. I only get annoyed with men who straight up bash older women just because of our age.

[Asker]

@Shuttlebus78 I'm not egotistical in the slightest, I feel like I have been very cordial in the replies to the chicks on this question. I'm just a social observer.

[Shuttlebus78]

Then if you’re so cordial treat them like human beings instead of cattle that should be exterminated when they turn 30.

[Asker]

@Shuttlebus78 You have replied to every comment so you must have seen my posts. Where did I dehumanize anybody?

[Shuttlebus78]

I just find it strange that men always ask these questions. Usually when the truth finally comes out, it’s because they hate women and are less than apes. If you’re so against why not stand up for the betterment of humanity instead of wasting it.

[silvermoon84]

@Imcmullan aww thanks girl! You look pretty too in your picture 😊

[btbc92]

Because there is no such thing. And healthy men know it's a joke. Everybody hits a so-called wall. Aging is natural. I still look like a teenager but stress and so much damage to my health and life problems aged me faster. But that doesn't give people the right to act like jerks. People who find it important to talk about others looks and say something so rude of others are people who have bigger insecurities than the ones their making fun of. I don't have to accept that crap from people. I know how God made me.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Shallow Incel detected. Why do you care so much about that? Look at yourself. Men look like shit after 25 but i still respect them lol since i judge them by their personality. Many men i know look fat, loose their hair at late 20s etc. Average european man is overweight while european women tend to have a healthy weight according to statistics but some boys like you have the audacity to say a thing about women's looks.

[hi_it_is_me123]

By the way sunscreen avoid 80% of the premature aging and so i recommend to wear sunscreen everyday. This is also the reason why white people tend to show aging signs so early

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lol the more i block incels like you the more anon cowards like make anon retarted questions

[Asker]

Why are you making so many assumptions? My intention was not to enrage chicks like you with this question. Saying "incel" is the new boy who cried wolf.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Yeah sure, says the anon coward. You are is ageist and sexist towards women but also wonder when people can't take you serious. There ain't a " hitting a wall". Wtf should that be an insult to older women?

[hi_it_is_me123]

It is not a rocket science that women or actually everyone get uglier the more they get older. Women dont have a issue with getting wrinkles and old but women have problem with incels like you who make it a fucking issue

[hi_it_is_me123]

getting wrinkles and older but we have a problem with idiots like you who makes it s fucking issue.***

[hi_it_is_me123]

Maybe if you expresed yourself better then people like me won't have a problem with it but your fucking question is offensive.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I have never even thought about getting oldrr since i did not care about getting uglier and older until i learned about the term "hitting wall". This term is mostly used by people are who ageist towards women. Maybe you are not one and so you could not express yourself well. But hitting wall sounds like an insult towards older older people. As if their worth is only dependent on their age and youth which is why hate this term

[Asker]

You seem very angry. Meditate once in a while.

[hi_it_is_me123]

😂😂😂😂 you sound ridiculous

[Asker]

I'm just curious, do you think this frame of thought is only possessed by people you deem to be incels? Certainly you can't, if that was the case then the natural order of the entire dating and sexual world would be demonstrably different. This phenomenon is observed in all cultures by men from all walks of life. Like I said in another comment, you do have the guys like myself who are not subject to their programming and do find older women attractive just like there's a minority of women who want a younger man, but again, we are the minority.

[hi_it_is_me123]

No, i just call you like that because of the term "hitting wall". If you said that many men prefere younger women, i would not call you incel. This word sound like an insult Anyway i personally think it is disgusting and shallow only to reduce women's worth on her beauty and her age. I know that society also except men to be successful. But the thing being beautiful and young can't be changed and is not an achievement and it also does not t say a shit about your personality while being successful can be achieved and it is part of your personality. It is also disgusting to except young women at the age between 18-24 to find someone before she "hits" the wall although women's brain is developing till 23-24 when it comes to personality and 18-21 years old women dont have much adult life experience. So i really think it is unfair and unrealistic to except young women to find their life partner while men can finish their education and have a lot of time to gain a lot life experience. I mean least we should stop shaming older women. I personally prefere virgin and have no problem with youngrr guys. It is just sad that society reduce women's value on their appearance and age but also wonder why many women are incesure about their looks or obsessed with being young as it is an insult to be old. I rather be single and alone than be in relationship with a guy who is with me because of my age.

[Asker]

Bro, you're 21, why are you freaking out about this when I'm even older than you.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Because i am going to be older too?

[FlyGirl95]

Women have a lot of tools to clean up with. We have make up and it is a bit more acceptable to have plastic surgeries etc. Estrogen makes the skin thinner so things tend to sag a bit more. Overall it would seem it is more noticeable for women because we have so much changing but also I think there’s a psychological component. We say Men age gracefully but really is it because we just find the aged look more attractive in men than we do women? Perhaps there are a lot of components to this. 😎😎😎

[karangill]

It is about natural-sexual selection, older men are good fathers and providers whereas younger women are good reproducers

[FlyGirl95]

Love the scientific view point 😊

[nelly83]

@karangill Old men pay for what young hot men get for free.

[karangill]

I am specifically not talking about prostitution. Young hot men can still act childish and are good for one night stand. Women need a man.

[nelly83]

@karangill what i meant was:

hot young guys get sex for free. Unattractive old men have to pay to get the sex.

[nelly83]

@karangill no woman would ever marry an unattractive old man unless he's willing to pay her a significant sum of cash.

[rienna888]

Because you get more in life being beautiful, some may go as far as getting surgical enhancements. People always want the best and will always compete. Many women want to be more beautiful or be the most beautiful. Some reasons include, to be more confident, to get revenge, to get a career they want (modelling), to become better, to get the man they love, to have men lust over them, to have men lust over them so they pay for them (money, clothes, rent, etc), and they love the attention. I for one, in all honesty want to be more beautiful. My sister is beautiful and she gets everything she wants in life, while i'm homely looking and barely get by. At my workplace, I noticed most men always help the better looking girl even if they're wrong. Life is cruel, you have to adapt.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol donot worry, bc if beauty is only factor then it's quite easy to leave for people and also the people who take favours early on have to give favours later

[pingiluv]

I’m okay with my age. My days of younger days are behind me. I know a lot of woman who can’t handle aging

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol you are just 36 🙃, you are not ancient

[pingiluv]

Thanks so much! But I am aging it’s inevitable. I have few greys and my corns feet might have started to show when I smile. I’m at peace being old. :)

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I had greys from age of 25 lol

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I have no idea what's corn feet, but I am curious to see you now lol😂

[Asker]

@Aakash_Hangargi Crows feet.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Haha not familiar with those terms with regards to face I am assuming it to be smile lines

[MzAsh]

Even at 50, her value is high and most men wouldn’t stand a chance.
I say, take good care of yourself, and if a little filler or Botox does you good, turn do it but don’t overdo it. For example Gwen Stefani is 51 and looks damn good right now. She’s way higher value than Blake so you know she truly loves that man. But whatever work she’s getting she should probably not exceed because she’ll be overdoing it.

[Asker]

I just chose a random picture that comes up when you type "hitting the wall". Lopez is not the point of this. Celebrities are really immune to this because if their status. We are not celebrities and we can't use them as examples of us,

[karangill]

Men date same level and lower. Men don't work according to hypergamy, women do.

[MzAsh]

That’s what they might think...

[nelly83]

@karangill Jennifer lopez just married alex rodriguez. And she's doing this at 50. she has masses of men raving for her. she's far from hitting the wall.

[MzAsh]

Wanna know why men are in love with women hitting the wall? damesthatknow.com/.../

[Asker]

@nelly83 She is a multi-millionaire world renown entertainer, it would strange if that wasn't the case. You can't extrapolate that experience to the vast majority of chicks, come on now.

[nelly83]

@Asker You used the wrong picture and the wrong person as an example of "hitting the wall". Jennifer lopez looks way better than most women around her age. And her celebrity status will always make her desirable amongst men.

[nelly83]

@Asker But its pretty funny how men like you don't think that you will eventually "hit the wall" too. Most men hit the wall by 35-36. Some even hit the wall earlier by 32.

[Asker]

@nelly83 I don't know she looks horrible without makeup to me but to each their own. The wall doesn't exist for men, it's not just about aging but you don't seem to WANT to understand that so whatevs

[nelly83]

@Asker women have cosmetics and makeup to cover hitting the wall. Men like you do not. especially once you start balding in your mid 30s

[Asker]

@nelly83 cool story sis

[SphynxUK]

I would say I’ve hit the wall.
I feel much better the older I get, and I’m quite happy about my appearance.
I have good genes anyway, and am enjoying getting older gracefully.
Should those of us over 40 not enjoy wearing makeup or nice clothes?

[Asker]

It's not the genes, especially if you are white. The low amounts of melanin and natural sun exposure are going to make you look like leather. It's more so about diet, exercise and choices of the things you ingest; with those in check, you can mitigate it somewhat.

[SphynxUK]

Who said I was white?

[SphynxUK]

I also have always exercised and eat a good diet.

[Asker]

Wasn't referring to you in particular, I was speaking generally.

[mindNsoul]

lol you actually found the secret to eternal youth asker. Just drink water and exercise and you will look 19 when you're 90 😉

Listen young man, you are curious and all that I get it. Yes, a healthy lifestyle can make you look healthier and arguably younger. But nothing can stop time, the impact of environment, stress, mental health, and genetics. Read what actual science say about this and not magazine articles and researched online papers. Be realistic at least.

@SphynxUK You are doing the right thing enjoy it and have your peace of mind. Honestly all that matter is to be at peace with yourself and the world around you. Lots of love 🌹❤️

[Anonymous]

They're taught that they can have whatever they want, they believe it, and nothing you can say will shake their delusion. Women are ruled by emotion, not logic. If something makes them feel bad they'll reject it no matter how truthful it is. Either that or as you've seen they'll go to the other extreme and go way off of the deep end.

[IveGotNoName]

So basically men are shallow and women are gold-diggers? (I mean I don't disagree)

[Asker]

Yes sir, that's just how the tree shakes out. You have the exceptions, the people with awareness and intelligence who are able to stray from pack and not fall victim to their programming but for the most part yeah. Men want to smash the hottest chicks and women want a big strong man who can provide her with a comfortable family.

[IveGotNoName]

Cool cool. I'm tired of people who don't know what the difference between average and exceptions is.

[Saville_Row]

Is that hitting the wall? Darling, right side is your typical 18-20 girl without makeup. Left side two hours later.

I think aging gracefully has to do with fully taking care of yourself. That means eating healthy, doing things you enjoy and definitely NOT stressing about age or any other non-sense. Live every decade of your life as you are meant to do, as I'm sure all of them will have good and bad things.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

As long as they keep having an healthy lifestyle and keep taking care of themselves they will continue to be attractive.
You can see this more today than ever. Many very hot actresses and instagram models are over 30.

[nella965]

jennifer lopez will always be high value even if she is 60. because she is a celeb. Celebs always have people wanting to date them. recently she married alex rodriguez. yea... hitting the wall... right...

[VanillaSalt]

You ain’t Jennifer looped lmao

[VanillaSalt]

Lopez*

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I don't have to be.

[VanillaSalt]

If your gonna site an example might I recommend a comparable one.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt what makes you think you're not also gonna hit your wall?

[VanillaSalt]

Well first off men don’t have a “wall” sure we’ll get old and lose looks like I said but women only have looks.

When it come to attracting the opposite sex for attracting men women needs looks and men need swagger. It’s all about how you present yourself as to how many women you attract as a man. From there it’s all about personality to see if the other wants to keep you or try again thus the order is meet-date-marry. If women don’t have looks it becomes that much harder to attract the opposite sex. Even for older less sexually actively men.

Also men have amassed wealth over their lives if they did it right. When do you hear about women saving enough to retire on? How much do YOU have saved huh? I got a couple grand in the bank. If I fall on hard times I can last 6 months without working. I can also draw on my 401k. I can also get a trade job when all the offices are closed due to covid. I can weld, drive heavy construction vehicles, roofing, go back to being an electrician... when your pregnant IM the one making money for YOU to live on... jobs are aware of this and will hire me over a woman who might not be able to handle the work or might be close to having a kid.

You tell me. Which of us has more value?

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt So what? you don't have money. When is the next time you're gonna be a millionaire?

And trust me, there are plenty of poor guys willing to marry a rich sugar mama.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I was never ever attracted to old men with erectile dysfunction, sagginess, wrinkles, or white hairs too. I like my men, hot young, strong and fast. Not some old fat uncle.
Old men pay for sex, that young hot men get for free

[VanillaSalt]

Yep you women get all that free sex you want. I hope when your 60 one of your not so young and hot “men” still want to take care of you if their not the jerk hit em and leave em types. Again attraction is different for either sex. Men look for looks and stay for personality and values... when you’ve been used up then men will still have money and still have at least something to attract woman if they really want to. Women won’t have anything men their age will be after.

Wait for the 10 you deserve too long and you’ll be 60 and alone without kids and a husband to be with. What a sad life that’s gonna be. Many women say I can do it alone but after 30 years alone when their not hot anymore I wonder if they’ll still be okay with going at it alone.

[VanillaSalt]

I’ll eventually hit my wall. I’ve come to terms with it and accepted I won’t have a good woman and kids in my life. And honestly it bothers me. But this choice is one made for me by you women so I have no control over it... you in the other hand are going to also be alone only by your own hands.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt With that nasty attitude towards women, there's no chance in hell you will ever find someone to love you for who you are. Women like men who appreciate them for more than their bodies. Low quality men like you who bash women for "hitting the wall" will only start cheating once she hits 40.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt A woman never has to worry about not having kids or a family. If a woman truly wanted children, she can have them regardless if she gets married or not.

[VanillaSalt]

Assumptions are like assholes. Everybody has them I am one and you act like one. Nothing but shit running from your mouth.

Let’s not pretend we’re the same irl as online. at least I hope you’re not. I site people decency and respect equal to their worth I just don’t bow to women that think they deserve the world. The funny thing is I don’t get women because how I carry myself. But even with my 4 partners I have been 100% faithful. As a matter of fact my partners have been the cheaters. In all 4 cases... we’ll actually in 3... the 4th was cheating on her guy with me apparently. A coworker. Besides as I’ve said here before I only want a woman for kids and any partner within my age range is almost at the wall where they can’t have kids so I’ve moved past already.

[VanillaSalt]

Yes expensive options for children. Adoption or lab babies are very expensive. Thousands. Or is a man gonna just leave you his seed so you can take him to court for child support? I’m sure your little man will grow up to be a big man without a real man around to teach him how to be a man.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt Women get financially stable in their 30s just like men. So stop spewing around that women only look for financial stability in a man. I know if i were 35, i can support my own child just fine. im college educated, will be a good point in my career in my 30s, i could even be supervisor by that stage in life.

[VanillaSalt]

How much you owe on college? How much you got saved now? You honestly think you can support a child on one income? Sure you can if you make somewhere around 4-5k/month... minimum. Child care laws require you to have a bedroom for the child separate for others at age 6. Also they can’t be left alone so cover a baby sitter. They need school supplies. And cloths. New shoes every few months or so. Kids eat a lot. Like constantly. Also you gonna take off the full 6 weeks of maturity leave? How you gonna cover them bills then? Christmas and birthdays Or are you gonna buy them one toy and hope they like it?

I’ve been a father. I’ve stepped up to kids that weren’t even mine. Your up every single night at 2am until the kids asleep again. You don’t have a personal life. It takes a hell of a lot more than you think to be a parent and single parents that manage are few and far i between. But a child which is what you still are is going to care for a child? You know my brother was an electrician. He made $26/hour and worked overtime and it still took his wife working full time to set aside a few grand in the bank with 1 kid. Over years.

You can’t just make 20k a year and live off the government and expect any life for a kid.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt why do you think i spent so many years of my life dedicating myself to an education, building up my skills and career? Its 2020, women are no longer poor little housewives who can't survive without alimony. we are now grown women, not little girls

[VanillaSalt]

So how much you make right now “big girl” I’m betting if you have a job and your not in your field around $15/hr if that. How much you got saved... it’s covid many places arnt hiring fresh faces... they got hundreds with years of experience IF they need someone. I believe like 40% of graduates don’t even get a job in the field they study for.

You don’t seem to understand. Its not as easy as planning like get degree get job find man have kids live happy. I don't know what you went to school for but I doubt it’s gonna be that easy. So true or lawyer sure your cash is good but no time for family... teacher... admirable but no money in it... even amazing positions are only like 100k/year. That’s after 20 years in the system. Business degree? How you gonna start a business in all this mess? I love the all these years part... your 26 you have maybe MAYBE 8 years of schooling. I know people with more hands on experience that can’t get jobs. Just because the government made it easier you think it’s easy or smooth sailing. I’m telling you your finances whatever they are arnt near mine. I bust my ass and work long hours to make the 5 grand a month I bring home. I’m down to 4 days a week with business being slow. But I’m sure you got bills covered on 4 days a week... then the fridge dies and you got drop 2 grand on a new fridge and a few 100 on food... your kid gets sick so doctor... tree falls through roof... family member needs money... kid wants a car at 16... you got all this? You ready for multiple of these to happen at once?

If you bills are 2k/month you better make at least 4K/month.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I will tell you this. The secret to being financially stable / wealth in life is an education. If you lack an education, you will find it impossible to make over 25,000 a year or you will be begging for 1-2 dollar raise. You might find it unheard of , of a woman who is financially stable, because you come from a poorly educated area. But I come from a very large modern city where most women are college educated and highly successful. I can assure you that by the time most of us hit our mid 30s, women with an education fare way better than men without an education.

I don't believe in needing to find a husband to have kids with. Because the divorce rates are 46%, meaning nearly HALF of all marriages result in divorce. There is no sense of loyalty anymore in our society nowadays too. People just only want to stay married through the good times but not stick by during the bad times. Same goes with friendships. I've never had a friendship that lasted more than 3 years. Its all just a waste of time

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt For highly educated women, 4k per month is NOTHING. There are many women who earn triple that salary by the time the hit their mid 30s

[VanillaSalt]

Watch your mouth brat I make double what you ever will. When your car breaks down it won’t be the college educated youth that fixes it... it’s going to be the mechanic that makes 23-55k/year. Who made the blocks your schools made out of? This guy here making 50-80k/year not including my bonuses... my brother used to make more than me as an electrician and he never bothered with college either. My dad owns 3 houses in two different states thousands of acres of land and all the toys you could ask for. He got that as a landscaper for 30 years. No college. My whole family is proof you don’t need highest education to live very comfortably. The median income for college educated women is just shy of 27k for a masters it’s 56k... congratulations after 8 years of school and 100k of debt you’ve reached my level.

You’ve been brainwashed into thinking it’s know more or be poor but while you’re working to overcome your debt I’m saving up for a comfortable retirement. Don’t worry if your average, find a really good job, and live frugally you’ll be able to pay off that college debt within 3-5 years and THEN you’ll be about at my level... well I’ll retire at 45 get my bachelors and become a teacher like I want. Maybe sooner depending on covid.

Oh one major flaw in your plan. You keep pointing out the best of the best. Top tier women. A top tier woman wouldn’t be spending all her time on here arguing finance with someone for more experienced then her. She’d try and learn his knowledge then use it to better herself... your not a top tier woman. Your situation won’t be hers. But monster how many times I say it your just not intelligent enough to understand the difference between stupid and ignorant. One day when life slaps you in the face you’ll understand.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt haha. hun, I know of a woman accountant who makes 90k per year. My aunt who is a physician assistant makes 140k annually. I have girl friends who work as accountants at the prestigious big 4 accounting firms who make 200-300k annually. I live in a city where women are actually educated, working professionals rather than some poor housewife , whose never had a college education. You can also stop calling me poor because I am in a field that makes great money and my earning potential will only increase as I age.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt

"A top tier woman wouldn’t be spending all her time on here arguing finance with someone for more experienced then her."

You're clearly not more experienced if you do not understand that education is key to making more money. And another sign that you have no real world experience and that you're also poor as fuck, is if you do not know any professional women who make good money. Poor men do not know any rich women. In fact, poor men would find it hard to know ANY rich people. Rich people tend to know other rich people. People befriend those of their own kind.

[VanillaSalt]

That’s my point it’s not you... your not making the money yet. You’ve barely hit the start line and yet you’re talking about how rich your going to be. Also I comprehend big time ceos need college to get hired and do doctors and lawyer and I’m sure there’s females in these jobs... but your not. And these people devote all their time to work and have no time for family or kids. And who needs that much money at the cost of a parent or spouse?

Also way to expose yourself there. There’s no point listening to or giving advice about life to a trust fund brat. Rich people live in their own world. Do what you want I’m done with this conversation.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I never said I am gonna make 100k+ at 25 years old right now. But I'm pretty sure I can make that kinda money 10 years down the road when i hit 35. I also don't want a child now. I am way too young. I have my youth and life to enjoy with my friends. I have no plans on marrying until my 30s. 20s is for going on adventures, building my career, furthering my education, enjoying friends, dating, investing.

and I can tell by your bitter, nasty , condescending attitude that you're probably poor as fuck and live a very broke destitute life. you sound like a very jealous bitter unhappy person.

[dpy87]

Really? JLo is hot af and she's 50 years old! But to answer your question its because looks are women's most valuable asset. Once you stop getting attention and special treatment its a shock because you're used to it. Its tough to accept but there's a point where you accept it and being young becomes a thing of the past.

[eileen_ruth]

Lol

[Asker]

That looks like an at least 20+ year difference. Women hit the wall at around 25 to 30. Everybody ages lol

[eileen_ruth]

Not really? Alexandra Daddario are Nina Dobrev look great. Plenty of older women look amazing.

[Asker]

There are Anamolies and exceptions to every rule, especially if you are using Hollywood actresses who have access to the best foods, medical care and plastic surgeons. Those are not everyday people and you know that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

No they are not. There are many MANY attractive women over 30.

[Shuttlebus78]

I know a lot of older who look better than older men. Stop singling out one sector of society. It shows just as much hatred as people who hate blacks, gays, Jews or any other sector of society.
It’s even worse than other forms because it’s based on a natural process that shouldn’t be affect someone’s value. If anything age should be celebrated.

[apimpnamedslickback]

still hot af

[Shuttlebus78]

I think there for a long time the media only showed us women who didn’t take care of themselves and men who aged well. However, more and more we are seeing lovely older women. The fertility gap is being closed too.

[AdithyaR]

Probably cause of how media portrays them a lot of times.
Same with men in certain cases too.

Media often sets extreme beauty standards for men and women, a bit more based on looks for women so it's seems logical they'd feel insecure about losing their youth.
Just like how men are made to be insecure about their penis size or bank balance or lack ripped bodies.

But that's just my opinion, not sure if this is the case. I could be wrong.

[Angie221994]

It’s the same with both genders. Men get insecure about balding.


I’m 26 right now. I’ve been blessed with being 25% white and 75% Asian. So i look 12. Aging isn’t really my big concern yet. My mom (who is Asian) doesn’t even have any grey hair yet. And she’s in her 50s. My dad is half Asian and half white.


I guess people put a lot of value in the way they look. I would much rather value things that will last longer than looks tho.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol you say that bc of genetics 😂.

But good for you 👍👍👍

[Angie221994]

I wouldn’t care if I did look old now tbh.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Sure, Ok✌️🤘🙏👍

[Backspin2]

there are plenty of women Who do and plenty women who don't. the women who don't tend to fall in the spectrum of not taking care of themselves physically, mentally, spiritually, sexually and financially. basically they invested poorly in life and in themselves. The ones who do however have done the complete opposite. things always change, no matter the gender but it's how well and what you did to prepare for that change that decides how things will turn out once it happens.

[sheikalana]

You can't fight but you can prevent. The pictures you've posted is JLo with and without makeup and she has great skin without makeup on considering her age.

[Asker]

Yes. With diet, an abundance of sleep and exercise you can mitigate it somewhat. And if you are white, by staying out of the sun.

[sheikalana]

Lots of water too. But yes, you're right a healthy life is key to prolong youth.