Why don't women accept hitting the wall more gracefully?

[Anonymous]

You can't fight the course of nature.

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I just chose a random picture that comes up when you type "hitting the wall". Lopez is not the point of this. Celebrities are really immune to this because if their status. We are not celebrities and we can't use them as examples of us. So me posting more pics of celebs means nothing, t's just obviously much harder to find aged side by side pictures of the average woman without being on some weirdo shit.

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This is gonna sound crazy hypocritical and you probably won't believe me but I actually have a thing for older chicks. I was just asking a question, I understand we live in a highly tense and charged world but not everyone has hidden agendas.

[psychoticanimallover]

The left is a picture of J-Lo with makeup. The right is a picture of J-Lo without makeup. Lol...

Define graceful. If you’re referring to celebrities and their plastic surgery, I don’t really get that either, but to each their own. And I guess if you’re J-Lo or whoever, your sexual value is kind of based on what people think of when they hear your name (which generally is an iconic image of yourself from when you were at your physical peak), so you’ll still be viewed as a sex symbol most of your life. They also seem to be able to attract hot younger men if we’re going by the likes of Kylie Minogue, Kate Beckinsale etc. If you have the monetary ability to live a decadent lifestyle then people will flock to you no matter how old you are or what you look like, but nips and tucks will just satisfy the reflection in the mirror!

So I guess to answer your question in the best way I can, they probably do it because they realise that they can, and because they’re more focused on being satisfied in their own lives than worrying about what a certain percentage of the population think of them. And that’s how we should all live! Who cares what wankers think of you?

Why do you care anyway? Seems like that wouldn’t really affect you...

[Asker]

I guess I care insofar as me just being a social observer. It doesn't really affect me, you are right.

[Anonymous]

Its true that the majority of attractive females lose their siren call after they pass 30 years old, while attractive males only get more attractive well into their 30s.
Women need to accept this fact of nature and choose to lock down their husband while theyre in their early 20s. Waiting till 28-30 to get married is satanic (anti-nature). First of all, it encourages promiscuity. Secondly, it lowers the quality of a girl's children. Thirdly, women remain depressed or "mysteriously sad" even though they have a loving family, active sex life, and successful career. Why? Because they are 'semen deficient', a term i coined myself to describe the condition of most women. Indeed there are 2.5x more women on anti depressants than men. That appears ironic since women have more freedom than ever before. Or do they? Actially women are less free than ever before because theyre shamed for wanting children while theyre young. Women NEED children to be happy. Just like men NEED to "climb the mountain" to be happy. Its truly ironic that feminism has made women less free. Not surprisimgly tho, the early feminists were ugly women that couldnt have children (or were too self conscious to have children). It was all planned to be this way, miserable women love company.

[Unit1]

In the moment before "the wall" they take their youth and beauty for granted. Since she has 100 simps messaging her on the regular on a monthly basis (obviously they are wanting just sex or her nudes) she thinks she can get any boyfriend she wants like ordering from the menu. She will think she got everything she needs (youth, beauty and sex) to get a good man but in truth those are the bare minimum and rather unconvincing parameters because almost half of the human population can offer the same as she does (and then it's a matter of question which of the 1000 girls we'll pick by those same parameters). When that number of inboxing messages/follows diminishes, she'll see it happening. Tick tock on the clock! And then the awakening. Who loves waking up to bad news?

[CubsterShura]

It is hard with women being only valued when they are young. Most women get a lot of attention in their youth so when old age comes and the attention drastically declines it is hard to adjust with it, compared to suppose if the change was more steady. It is not about whether or not it is a good or bad thing, most of us naturally feel out of our element if something that we are familiar with isn't there anymore, a universal truth for both genders. The media has learned to capitalize on this even further by convincing women that they can prevent it all and the perfect woman can totally do it and if a woman can't then something is wrong with her.

Sure technology has improved a lot and women can maintain a youthful appearance by taking good care of their skin and overall health, supplementing and all that. It is feasible to maintain yourself and still look good as you get older even with signs of ageing, but a big change requires more than that and most women cannot afford it. And ultimately, it can never be brought to a full stop.

[Asker]

Rational and critical thinking women like this are the most attractive in my book. Intelligence is beautiful.

[Mrhealer]

(Unpopular opinion here)

I still found Kerry Fisher attractive, even though she was 60 years old in 2016 (at her death,) and the drugs took a toll on her life. Maybe it's because she was feisty, intelligent, funny, and caring.

Would I find her more attractive if she looked younger? Ofcourse, but if she didn't have that amazing personality, I wouldn't be at all. For me, personality is the key factor for a women. Looks I find attractive is just a bonus for me.

Just from reading your comment, I can tell you're a very smart lady, men like me value that more than how old you look.

You may have not needed this reply, but I feel it needs to be said for men and women with self confidence problems. I hope whoever reads this can get something from it.

[CubsterShura]

@Mrhealer well that's nice and reassuring to know! There are still many gorgeous older women out there but even then they would usually need to have other good qualities to have a man attracted to them. A woman who is in her prime years hardly has to do anything to turn some heads and guys wanting to talk to them even if she is not very intelligent or witty or whatever, as long as she is available it happens. It may not be from the type of men that we desire but it's there and we're aware of it.

So naturally when that goes down and no one pays attention anymore it can feel pretty rough. Just for the fact that women are used to something completely different for about two whole decades. That's a long time to get habituated with something.

[Mrhealer]

I completely agree! I can say from my experience as a man I've had similar experiences with self confidence issues.

Now, I'm not an authority on gender, so take my theory with a grain of salt, but I think men have a similar issue, but I think it's reversed. Women have more self confidence issues when they get older, and men have it more earlier in life. It may be false, but that's how it seems to me judging from the women that I've had in my life.

I'm 23 and I've had issues with women for a while-mostly women around my age when I was younger. A few women would tell me that I'm ugly, and I have no future. I know those women are the minority and they're skanks who will probably and up with a dude that'll treat them like garbage, and I shouldn't let their opinions affect me, but it cuts deep hearing it. I know that I'm not ugly.

I'd consider myself average in the looks department, but my personality and talents make up for my short comings, I think.

This may sound weird/non reassuring coming from a random dick head on the internet, but you sound like a catch to me! You're rational, critical, honest, etc.

Damn, we could write a book with the words on this thread.

[Mrhealer]

@CubsterShura I keep forgetting to @ people. There should be a reply feature. Shittier apps have better optimization than this.

[CubsterShura]

Women have self-esteem issues from the moment they hit puberty until she becomes a lot older when they have experienced everything and they just don't give a damn anymore 😂😂 it sounds pretty tempting to become that super flamboyant rich single elderly lady.

[Asker]

@CubsterShura Self esteem issues don't discriminate by gender. Looks matter to women as well, there's a lot of men who don't fit the tall, handsome, knight in shining armor role. And you have to remember that it's socially acceptable for women to roast the shit out of mens looks, especially during rejection. A lot of chicks will eat a dude alive ans he just has to accept it

[Mrhealer]

@CubsterShura Yeah, that wasn't part of my tinfoil idea.

In my ideal life, I want to be an old dude that is married to a 30 year old, and gets super high and storms in here room every night saying "Hey bitch, get up! We're gonna go to taco bell!"

I also want a butler, but I only want him to wear sunglasses and no shirt to make him look like a douchebag.

[CubsterShura]

@Asker true true true self-esteem issues aren't exclusive to women. However men actually have a certain standard or at least a foundation for beauty standard that's almost universal: being taller, darker, having more angular features, high status... Even if not looks wise most men can level themselves up on other matters and still achieve a better status.

Women don't get a break no matter what. Too skinny, too fat, too tall, too short, too big boobs, too small boobs, no matter how a woman looks she has to hear that something else is better. At least if a man is tall he won't get a bunch of people telling him that short is more attractive. If you have muscle definition no one will tell you that your muscles are ugly.

I have been chubby, I lost weight, I lifted weights in the gym and gained some muscles, I have received all kinds of comments. When I was chubby I was told to lose weight, when I lost weight I was told that I'm too skinny and my face doesn't look as cute anymore, when I went to the gym I was told that muscle won't suit my figure. Even perfectly beautiful women are self-conscious about something like violin hips or stretch marks.

Men also have issues but in terms of physical appearance it is nothing close to the extent of what women go through.

[Mrhealer]

@Asker @CubsterShura https://yo utu. be/Wil1Nae80qA

[Tracker1958]

A good woman would only want to look good for her man. Not the whole male species. That one thing tell men a lot about what kind of woman she is. If she advertising her body out in public, she is sending men that she is shopping for a man, even if she has a man.

[Ellie-V]

I just don’t like that term and what it means. It supports the idea that people (men and women but mostly women) are less valuable the older you are simply because you look different... as if getting old is a bad thing. I’m actually quite okay with getting wrinkles, saggy skin, freckles, gray hair, the whole nine. I choose to feel beautiful inside and out regardless of how others tell me how much I’ve “hit the wall”.
Okay and? Like, is that supposed to be an insult? People are aware that they are getting closer to death. It’s not rocket science. And to go out of your way to shove it in people’s faces with this popular hit the wall slogan, seems like more a shaming tactic whenever women carry over their confidence to older age or even when they are insecure and want to dress them up more with clothes and makeup... sometimes that even extends to women simply having the desire to want to continue dating or getting into a relationship. You’re just kicking somebody when you consider them to be “down” or in an inferior place in their life.
I haven’t gotten to that age where that’s something I have to hear on a regular basis but it is annoying to witness beautiful ladies of older age get told “ah well you’ve hit the wall”. Like even if they are not beautiful in your eyes, why are you going out of your way to make them see what you see? Older women and even older men deserve to preserve their self esteem without assholes trying to make them feel like shit.

[Asker]

This is gonna sound crazy hypocritical and you probably won't believe me but I actually have a thing for older chicks. I was just asking a question, I understand we live in a highly tense and charged world but not everyone has hidden agendas.

[silvermoon84]

As a woman in her thirties who has “hit the wall” it’s because it indicates that I only had any value at all for being 22 and gorgeous and not for having humility or moral character. Additionally, I also get sick of being judged for not having a man in my life at this age and having to justify ALL THE TIME why I’m still single to men and older people who just assume there’s something wrong with me. Yeah there’s a reason why, it’s because I got dumped by guys left and right because I wouldn’t sleep with them. I refuse to sleep with men who I’m not in love with so if that means I remain a lonely old cat lady for the rest of my life, so be it. As for the men who won’t date me because of my age, they’re not options for me anyway so no loss to either me or them really.

[dpy87]

Did you actually think people liked you because of you when you were younger? Not trying to be mean but its obvious when people only treat you well because you look good.

[silvermoon84]

@dpy87 I know why guys liked me back then, I’m not a dummy. I just didn’t know it at the time because I didn’t know any better. That’s why I’m glad I didn’t sleep with any of them. I know you weren’t trying to be mean. I’m not either, but I also know my worth. If the only thing men are going to value about me is beauty and sex appeal then I’d rather they leave me alone anyway.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think men who devalue women as they age are just afraid of themselves getting old. They are generally overly egotistical and very unnatural.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think people forget there’s a lot more tkk ok life than having kids. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy I have my little squirt. But God had higher intentions for us otherwise we wouldn’t have evolved beyond grunting and fucking.

[silvermoon84]

@Shuttlebus78 I love this answer. It’s great to know not all men think like this. Just be warned though you might get a response from other men accusing you of only telling me what I want to hear. I’m not accusing you of that myself, just giving you a heads up.

[bamesjond0069]

@silvermoon84 he white knights on ever topic on gag. Smh.

Thats very respectable that you don't sleep with these men. I do think men who want a family are the ones who have a problem with your age, not the nonsense he was saying.

I only date girls that do not have casual sex period. But i also want to have a lot of kids. So thats really the main reason i date younger women. Not because im afraid of getting old wtf.

[Imcmullan]

If this is you in your photo, you HAVE NOT HIT A WALL... you're so pretty.. n you don't even look your age. I think your morals and values are awesome n you're an example of what young girls should aspire to be.

[Shuttlebus78]

@bamesjond0069 no you’re just mad because you got caught lying over again last week. Haha! How is it wrong to value people at every age? How is it inaccurate or wrong to understand there’s people have evolved to where life is much more than just having kids. I love having children. But that doesn’t mean I’m worthless without them. There has been too much stupidity and thoughtless. Yes I will stand up for people of all ages because I find them valuable.

[silvermoon84]

@bamesjond0069 that’s actually a very good reason to date younger, and I respect that however, any woman with a sensible way of thinking wouldn’t be annoyed about that. Regardless of my age, I can’t have kids anyway due to a medical issue I was diagnosed I was diagnosed with years ago so I wouldn’t be a good match for a man who wants his own biological children anyway. I only get annoyed with men who straight up bash older women just because of our age.

[Asker]

@Shuttlebus78 I'm not egotistical in the slightest, I feel like I have been very cordial in the replies to the chicks on this question. I'm just a social observer.

[Shuttlebus78]

Then if you’re so cordial treat them like human beings instead of cattle that should be exterminated when they turn 30.

[Asker]

@Shuttlebus78 You have replied to every comment so you must have seen my posts. Where did I dehumanize anybody?

[Shuttlebus78]

I just find it strange that men always ask these questions. Usually when the truth finally comes out, it’s because they hate women and are less than apes. If you’re so against why not stand up for the betterment of humanity instead of wasting it.

[silvermoon84]

@Imcmullan aww thanks girl! You look pretty too in your picture 😊

[btbc92]

Because there is no such thing. And healthy men know it's a joke. Everybody hits a so-called wall. Aging is natural. I still look like a teenager but stress and so much damage to my health and life problems aged me faster. But that doesn't give people the right to act like jerks. People who find it important to talk about others looks and say something so rude of others are people who have bigger insecurities than the ones their making fun of. I don't have to accept that crap from people. I know how God made me.

[FlyGirl95]

Women have a lot of tools to clean up with. We have make up and it is a bit more acceptable to have plastic surgeries etc. Estrogen makes the skin thinner so things tend to sag a bit more. Overall it would seem it is more noticeable for women because we have so much changing but also I think there’s a psychological component. We say Men age gracefully but really is it because we just find the aged look more attractive in men than we do women? Perhaps there are a lot of components to this. 😎😎😎

[karangill]

It is about natural-sexual selection, older men are good fathers and providers whereas younger women are good reproducers

[FlyGirl95]

Love the scientific view point 😊

[nelly83]

@karangill Old men pay for what young hot men get for free.

[karangill]

I am specifically not talking about prostitution. Young hot men can still act childish and are good for one night stand. Women need a man.

[nelly83]

@karangill what i meant was:

hot young guys get sex for free. Unattractive old men have to pay to get the sex.

[nelly83]

@karangill no woman would ever marry an unattractive old man unless he's willing to pay her a significant sum of cash.

[rienna888]

Because you get more in life being beautiful, some may go as far as getting surgical enhancements. People always want the best and will always compete. Many women want to be more beautiful or be the most beautiful. Some reasons include, to be more confident, to get revenge, to get a career they want (modelling), to become better, to get the man they love, to have men lust over them, to have men lust over them so they pay for them (money, clothes, rent, etc), and they love the attention. I for one, in all honesty want to be more beautiful. My sister is beautiful and she gets everything she wants in life, while i'm homely looking and barely get by. At my workplace, I noticed most men always help the better looking girl even if they're wrong. Life is cruel, you have to adapt.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol donot worry, bc if beauty is only factor then it's quite easy to leave for people and also the people who take favours early on have to give favours later

[hi_it_is_me123]

Shallow Incel detected. Why do you care so much about that? Look at yourself. Men look like shit after 25 but i still respect them lol since i judge them by their personality. Many men i know look fat, loose their hair at late 20s etc. Average european man is overweight while european women tend to have a healthy weight according to statistics but some boys like you have the audacity to say a thing about women's looks.

[hi_it_is_me123]

By the way sunscreen avoid 80% of the premature aging and so i recommend to wear sunscreen everyday. This is also the reason why white people tend to show aging signs so early

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lol the more i block incels like you the more anon cowards like make anon retarted questions

[Asker]

Why are you making so many assumptions? My intention was not to enrage chicks like you with this question. Saying "incel" is the new boy who cried wolf.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Yeah sure, says the anon coward. You are is ageist and sexist towards women but also wonder when people can't take you serious. There ain't a " hitting a wall". Wtf should that be an insult to older women?

[hi_it_is_me123]

It is not a rocket science that women or actually everyone get uglier the more they get older. Women dont have a issue with getting wrinkles and old but women have problem with incels like you who make it a fucking issue

[hi_it_is_me123]

getting wrinkles and older but we have a problem with idiots like you who makes it s fucking issue.***

[hi_it_is_me123]

Maybe if you expresed yourself better then people like me won't have a problem with it but your fucking question is offensive.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I have never even thought about getting oldrr since i did not care about getting uglier and older until i learned about the term "hitting wall". This term is mostly used by people are who ageist towards women. Maybe you are not one and so you could not express yourself well. But hitting wall sounds like an insult towards older older people. As if their worth is only dependent on their age and youth which is why hate this term

[Asker]

You seem very angry. Meditate once in a while.

[hi_it_is_me123]

😂😂😂😂 you sound ridiculous

[Asker]

I'm just curious, do you think this frame of thought is only possessed by people you deem to be incels? Certainly you can't, if that was the case then the natural order of the entire dating and sexual world would be demonstrably different. This phenomenon is observed in all cultures by men from all walks of life. Like I said in another comment, you do have the guys like myself who are not subject to their programming and do find older women attractive just like there's a minority of women who want a younger man, but again, we are the minority.

[hi_it_is_me123]

No, i just call you like that because of the term "hitting wall". If you said that many men prefere younger women, i would not call you incel. This word sound like an insult Anyway i personally think it is disgusting and shallow only to reduce women's worth on her beauty and her age. I know that society also except men to be successful. But the thing being beautiful and young can't be changed and is not an achievement and it also does not t say a shit about your personality while being successful can be achieved and it is part of your personality. It is also disgusting to except young women at the age between 18-24 to find someone before she "hits" the wall although women's brain is developing till 23-24 when it comes to personality and 18-21 years old women dont have much adult life experience. So i really think it is unfair and unrealistic to except young women to find their life partner while men can finish their education and have a lot of time to gain a lot life experience. I mean least we should stop shaming older women. I personally prefere virgin and have no problem with youngrr guys. It is just sad that society reduce women's value on their appearance and age but also wonder why many women are incesure about their looks or obsessed with being young as it is an insult to be old. I rather be single and alone than be in relationship with a guy who is with me because of my age.

[Asker]

Bro, you're 21, why are you freaking out about this when I'm even older than you.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Because i am going to be older too?

[pingiluv]

I’m okay with my age. My days of younger days are behind me. I know a lot of woman who can’t handle aging

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol you are just 36 🙃, you are not ancient

[pingiluv]

Thanks so much! But I am aging it’s inevitable. I have few greys and my corns feet might have started to show when I smile. I’m at peace being old. :)

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I had greys from age of 25 lol

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I have no idea what's corn feet, but I am curious to see you now lol😂

[Asker]

@Aakash_Hangargi Crows feet.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Haha not familiar with those terms with regards to face I am assuming it to be smile lines

[MzAsh]

Even at 50, her value is high and most men wouldn’t stand a chance.
I say, take good care of yourself, and if a little filler or Botox does you good, turn do it but don’t overdo it. For example Gwen Stefani is 51 and looks damn good right now. She’s way higher value than Blake so you know she truly loves that man. But whatever work she’s getting she should probably not exceed because she’ll be overdoing it.

[Asker]

I just chose a random picture that comes up when you type "hitting the wall". Lopez is not the point of this. Celebrities are really immune to this because if their status. We are not celebrities and we can't use them as examples of us,

[karangill]

Men date same level and lower. Men don't work according to hypergamy, women do.

[MzAsh]

That’s what they might think...

[nelly83]

@karangill Jennifer lopez just married alex rodriguez. And she's doing this at 50. she has masses of men raving for her. she's far from hitting the wall.

[MzAsh]

Wanna know why men are in love with women hitting the wall? damesthatknow.com/.../

[Asker]

@nelly83 She is a multi-millionaire world renown entertainer, it would strange if that wasn't the case. You can't extrapolate that experience to the vast majority of chicks, come on now.

[nelly83]

@Asker You used the wrong picture and the wrong person as an example of "hitting the wall". Jennifer lopez looks way better than most women around her age. And her celebrity status will always make her desirable amongst men.

[nelly83]

@Asker But its pretty funny how men like you don't think that you will eventually "hit the wall" too. Most men hit the wall by 35-36. Some even hit the wall earlier by 32.

[Asker]

@nelly83 I don't know she looks horrible without makeup to me but to each their own. The wall doesn't exist for men, it's not just about aging but you don't seem to WANT to understand that so whatevs

[nelly83]

@Asker women have cosmetics and makeup to cover hitting the wall. Men like you do not. especially once you start balding in your mid 30s

[Asker]

@nelly83 cool story sis

[SphynxUK]

I would say I’ve hit the wall.
I feel much better the older I get, and I’m quite happy about my appearance.
I have good genes anyway, and am enjoying getting older gracefully.
Should those of us over 40 not enjoy wearing makeup or nice clothes?

[Asker]

It's not the genes, especially if you are white. The low amounts of melanin and natural sun exposure are going to make you look like leather. It's more so about diet, exercise and choices of the things you ingest; with those in check, you can mitigate it somewhat.

[SphynxUK]

Who said I was white?

[SphynxUK]

I also have always exercised and eat a good diet.

[Asker]

Wasn't referring to you in particular, I was speaking generally.

[mindNsoul]

lol you actually found the secret to eternal youth asker. Just drink water and exercise and you will look 19 when you're 90 😉

Listen young man, you are curious and all that I get it. Yes, a healthy lifestyle can make you look healthier and arguably younger. But nothing can stop time, the impact of environment, stress, mental health, and genetics. Read what actual science say about this and not magazine articles and researched online papers. Be realistic at least.

@SphynxUK You are doing the right thing enjoy it and have your peace of mind. Honestly all that matter is to be at peace with yourself and the world around you. Lots of love 🌹❤️

[Anonymous]

They're taught that they can have whatever they want, they believe it, and nothing you can say will shake their delusion. Women are ruled by emotion, not logic. If something makes them feel bad they'll reject it no matter how truthful it is. Either that or as you've seen they'll go to the other extreme and go way off of the deep end.

[IveGotNoName]

So basically men are shallow and women are gold-diggers? (I mean I don't disagree)

[Asker]

Yes sir, that's just how the tree shakes out. You have the exceptions, the people with awareness and intelligence who are able to stray from pack and not fall victim to their programming but for the most part yeah. Men want to smash the hottest chicks and women want a big strong man who can provide her with a comfortable family.

[IveGotNoName]

Cool cool. I'm tired of people who don't know what the difference between average and exceptions is.

[Saville_Row]

Is that hitting the wall? Darling, right side is your typical 18-20 girl without makeup. Left side two hours later.

I think aging gracefully has to do with fully taking care of yourself. That means eating healthy, doing things you enjoy and definitely NOT stressing about age or any other non-sense. Live every decade of your life as you are meant to do, as I'm sure all of them will have good and bad things.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

As long as they keep having an healthy lifestyle and keep taking care of themselves they will continue to be attractive.
You can see this more today than ever. Many very hot actresses and instagram models are over 30.

[nella965]

jennifer lopez will always be high value even if she is 60. because she is a celeb. Celebs always have people wanting to date them. recently she married alex rodriguez. yea... hitting the wall... right...

[VanillaSalt]

You ain’t Jennifer looped lmao

[VanillaSalt]

Lopez*

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I don't have to be.

[VanillaSalt]

If your gonna site an example might I recommend a comparable one.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt what makes you think you're not also gonna hit your wall?

[VanillaSalt]

Well first off men don’t have a “wall” sure we’ll get old and lose looks like I said but women only have looks.

When it come to attracting the opposite sex for attracting men women needs looks and men need swagger. It’s all about how you present yourself as to how many women you attract as a man. From there it’s all about personality to see if the other wants to keep you or try again thus the order is meet-date-marry. If women don’t have looks it becomes that much harder to attract the opposite sex. Even for older less sexually actively men.

Also men have amassed wealth over their lives if they did it right. When do you hear about women saving enough to retire on? How much do YOU have saved huh? I got a couple grand in the bank. If I fall on hard times I can last 6 months without working. I can also draw on my 401k. I can also get a trade job when all the offices are closed due to covid. I can weld, drive heavy construction vehicles, roofing, go back to being an electrician... when your pregnant IM the one making money for YOU to live on... jobs are aware of this and will hire me over a woman who might not be able to handle the work or might be close to having a kid.

You tell me. Which of us has more value?

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt So what? you don't have money. When is the next time you're gonna be a millionaire?

And trust me, there are plenty of poor guys willing to marry a rich sugar mama.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I was never ever attracted to old men with erectile dysfunction, sagginess, wrinkles, or white hairs too. I like my men, hot young, strong and fast. Not some old fat uncle.
Old men pay for sex, that young hot men get for free

[VanillaSalt]

Yep you women get all that free sex you want. I hope when your 60 one of your not so young and hot “men” still want to take care of you if their not the jerk hit em and leave em types. Again attraction is different for either sex. Men look for looks and stay for personality and values... when you’ve been used up then men will still have money and still have at least something to attract woman if they really want to. Women won’t have anything men their age will be after.

Wait for the 10 you deserve too long and you’ll be 60 and alone without kids and a husband to be with. What a sad life that’s gonna be. Many women say I can do it alone but after 30 years alone when their not hot anymore I wonder if they’ll still be okay with going at it alone.

[VanillaSalt]

I’ll eventually hit my wall. I’ve come to terms with it and accepted I won’t have a good woman and kids in my life. And honestly it bothers me. But this choice is one made for me by you women so I have no control over it... you in the other hand are going to also be alone only by your own hands.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt With that nasty attitude towards women, there's no chance in hell you will ever find someone to love you for who you are. Women like men who appreciate them for more than their bodies. Low quality men like you who bash women for "hitting the wall" will only start cheating once she hits 40.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt A woman never has to worry about not having kids or a family. If a woman truly wanted children, she can have them regardless if she gets married or not.

[VanillaSalt]

Assumptions are like assholes. Everybody has them I am one and you act like one. Nothing but shit running from your mouth.

Let’s not pretend we’re the same irl as online. at least I hope you’re not. I site people decency and respect equal to their worth I just don’t bow to women that think they deserve the world. The funny thing is I don’t get women because how I carry myself. But even with my 4 partners I have been 100% faithful. As a matter of fact my partners have been the cheaters. In all 4 cases... we’ll actually in 3... the 4th was cheating on her guy with me apparently. A coworker. Besides as I’ve said here before I only want a woman for kids and any partner within my age range is almost at the wall where they can’t have kids so I’ve moved past already.

[VanillaSalt]

Yes expensive options for children. Adoption or lab babies are very expensive. Thousands. Or is a man gonna just leave you his seed so you can take him to court for child support? I’m sure your little man will grow up to be a big man without a real man around to teach him how to be a man.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt Women get financially stable in their 30s just like men. So stop spewing around that women only look for financial stability in a man. I know if i were 35, i can support my own child just fine. im college educated, will be a good point in my career in my 30s, i could even be supervisor by that stage in life.

[VanillaSalt]

How much you owe on college? How much you got saved now? You honestly think you can support a child on one income? Sure you can if you make somewhere around 4-5k/month... minimum. Child care laws require you to have a bedroom for the child separate for others at age 6. Also they can’t be left alone so cover a baby sitter. They need school supplies. And cloths. New shoes every few months or so. Kids eat a lot. Like constantly. Also you gonna take off the full 6 weeks of maturity leave? How you gonna cover them bills then? Christmas and birthdays Or are you gonna buy them one toy and hope they like it?

I’ve been a father. I’ve stepped up to kids that weren’t even mine. Your up every single night at 2am until the kids asleep again. You don’t have a personal life. It takes a hell of a lot more than you think to be a parent and single parents that manage are few and far i between. But a child which is what you still are is going to care for a child? You know my brother was an electrician. He made $26/hour and worked overtime and it still took his wife working full time to set aside a few grand in the bank with 1 kid. Over years.

You can’t just make 20k a year and live off the government and expect any life for a kid.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt why do you think i spent so many years of my life dedicating myself to an education, building up my skills and career? Its 2020, women are no longer poor little housewives who can't survive without alimony. we are now grown women, not little girls

[VanillaSalt]

So how much you make right now “big girl” I’m betting if you have a job and your not in your field around $15/hr if that. How much you got saved... it’s covid many places arnt hiring fresh faces... they got hundreds with years of experience IF they need someone. I believe like 40% of graduates don’t even get a job in the field they study for.

You don’t seem to understand. Its not as easy as planning like get degree get job find man have kids live happy. I don't know what you went to school for but I doubt it’s gonna be that easy. So true or lawyer sure your cash is good but no time for family... teacher... admirable but no money in it... even amazing positions are only like 100k/year. That’s after 20 years in the system. Business degree? How you gonna start a business in all this mess? I love the all these years part... your 26 you have maybe MAYBE 8 years of schooling. I know people with more hands on experience that can’t get jobs. Just because the government made it easier you think it’s easy or smooth sailing. I’m telling you your finances whatever they are arnt near mine. I bust my ass and work long hours to make the 5 grand a month I bring home. I’m down to 4 days a week with business being slow. But I’m sure you got bills covered on 4 days a week... then the fridge dies and you got drop 2 grand on a new fridge and a few 100 on food... your kid gets sick so doctor... tree falls through roof... family member needs money... kid wants a car at 16... you got all this? You ready for multiple of these to happen at once?

If you bills are 2k/month you better make at least 4K/month.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I will tell you this. The secret to being financially stable / wealth in life is an education. If you lack an education, you will find it impossible to make over 25,000 a year or you will be begging for 1-2 dollar raise. You might find it unheard of , of a woman who is financially stable, because you come from a poorly educated area. But I come from a very large modern city where most women are college educated and highly successful. I can assure you that by the time most of us hit our mid 30s, women with an education fare way better than men without an education.

I don't believe in needing to find a husband to have kids with. Because the divorce rates are 46%, meaning nearly HALF of all marriages result in divorce. There is no sense of loyalty anymore in our society nowadays too. People just only want to stay married through the good times but not stick by during the bad times. Same goes with friendships. I've never had a friendship that lasted more than 3 years. Its all just a waste of time

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt For highly educated women, 4k per month is NOTHING. There are many women who earn triple that salary by the time the hit their mid 30s

[VanillaSalt]

Watch your mouth brat I make double what you ever will. When your car breaks down it won’t be the college educated youth that fixes it... it’s going to be the mechanic that makes 23-55k/year. Who made the blocks your schools made out of? This guy here making 50-80k/year not including my bonuses... my brother used to make more than me as an electrician and he never bothered with college either. My dad owns 3 houses in two different states thousands of acres of land and all the toys you could ask for. He got that as a landscaper for 30 years. No college. My whole family is proof you don’t need highest education to live very comfortably. The median income for college educated women is just shy of 27k for a masters it’s 56k... congratulations after 8 years of school and 100k of debt you’ve reached my level.

You’ve been brainwashed into thinking it’s know more or be poor but while you’re working to overcome your debt I’m saving up for a comfortable retirement. Don’t worry if your average, find a really good job, and live frugally you’ll be able to pay off that college debt within 3-5 years and THEN you’ll be about at my level... well I’ll retire at 45 get my bachelors and become a teacher like I want. Maybe sooner depending on covid.

Oh one major flaw in your plan. You keep pointing out the best of the best. Top tier women. A top tier woman wouldn’t be spending all her time on here arguing finance with someone for more experienced then her. She’d try and learn his knowledge then use it to better herself... your not a top tier woman. Your situation won’t be hers. But monster how many times I say it your just not intelligent enough to understand the difference between stupid and ignorant. One day when life slaps you in the face you’ll understand.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt haha. hun, I know of a woman accountant who makes 90k per year. My aunt who is a physician assistant makes 140k annually. I have girl friends who work as accountants at the prestigious big 4 accounting firms who make 200-300k annually. I live in a city where women are actually educated, working professionals rather than some poor housewife , whose never had a college education. You can also stop calling me poor because I am in a field that makes great money and my earning potential will only increase as I age.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt

"A top tier woman wouldn’t be spending all her time on here arguing finance with someone for more experienced then her."

You're clearly not more experienced if you do not understand that education is key to making more money. And another sign that you have no real world experience and that you're also poor as fuck, is if you do not know any professional women who make good money. Poor men do not know any rich women. In fact, poor men would find it hard to know ANY rich people. Rich people tend to know other rich people. People befriend those of their own kind.

[VanillaSalt]

That’s my point it’s not you... your not making the money yet. You’ve barely hit the start line and yet you’re talking about how rich your going to be. Also I comprehend big time ceos need college to get hired and do doctors and lawyer and I’m sure there’s females in these jobs... but your not. And these people devote all their time to work and have no time for family or kids. And who needs that much money at the cost of a parent or spouse?

Also way to expose yourself there. There’s no point listening to or giving advice about life to a trust fund brat. Rich people live in their own world. Do what you want I’m done with this conversation.

[nella965]

@VanillaSalt I never said I am gonna make 100k+ at 25 years old right now. But I'm pretty sure I can make that kinda money 10 years down the road when i hit 35. I also don't want a child now. I am way too young. I have my youth and life to enjoy with my friends. I have no plans on marrying until my 30s. 20s is for going on adventures, building my career, furthering my education, enjoying friends, dating, investing.

and I can tell by your bitter, nasty , condescending attitude that you're probably poor as fuck and live a very broke destitute life. you sound like a very jealous bitter unhappy person.

[dpy87]

Really? JLo is hot af and she's 50 years old! But to answer your question its because looks are women's most valuable asset. Once you stop getting attention and special treatment its a shock because you're used to it. Its tough to accept but there's a point where you accept it and being young becomes a thing of the past.

[eileen_ruth]

Lol

[Asker]

That looks like an at least 20+ year difference. Women hit the wall at around 25 to 30. Everybody ages lol

[eileen_ruth]

Not really? Alexandra Daddario are Nina Dobrev look great. Plenty of older women look amazing.

[Asker]

There are Anamolies and exceptions to every rule, especially if you are using Hollywood actresses who have access to the best foods, medical care and plastic surgeons. Those are not everyday people and you know that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

No they are not. There are many MANY attractive women over 30.

[Shuttlebus78]

I know a lot of older who look better than older men. Stop singling out one sector of society. It shows just as much hatred as people who hate blacks, gays, Jews or any other sector of society.
It’s even worse than other forms because it’s based on a natural process that shouldn’t be affect someone’s value. If anything age should be celebrated.

[apimpnamedslickback]

still hot af

[Shuttlebus78]

I think there for a long time the media only showed us women who didn’t take care of themselves and men who aged well. However, more and more we are seeing lovely older women. The fertility gap is being closed too.

[AdithyaR]

Probably cause of how media portrays them a lot of times.
Same with men in certain cases too.

Media often sets extreme beauty standards for men and women, a bit more based on looks for women so it's seems logical they'd feel insecure about losing their youth.
Just like how men are made to be insecure about their penis size or bank balance or lack ripped bodies.

But that's just my opinion, not sure if this is the case. I could be wrong.

[Angie221994]

It’s the same with both genders. Men get insecure about balding.


I’m 26 right now. I’ve been blessed with being 25% white and 75% Asian. So i look 12. Aging isn’t really my big concern yet. My mom (who is Asian) doesn’t even have any grey hair yet. And she’s in her 50s. My dad is half Asian and half white.


I guess people put a lot of value in the way they look. I would much rather value things that will last longer than looks tho.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol you say that bc of genetics 😂.

But good for you 👍👍👍

[Angie221994]

I wouldn’t care if I did look old now tbh.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Sure, Ok✌️🤘🙏👍

[Backspin2]

there are plenty of women Who do and plenty women who don't. the women who don't tend to fall in the spectrum of not taking care of themselves physically, mentally, spiritually, sexually and financially. basically they invested poorly in life and in themselves. The ones who do however have done the complete opposite. things always change, no matter the gender but it's how well and what you did to prepare for that change that decides how things will turn out once it happens.

[sheikalana]

You can't fight but you can prevent. The pictures you've posted is JLo with and without makeup and she has great skin without makeup on considering her age.

[Asker]

Yes. With diet, an abundance of sleep and exercise you can mitigate it somewhat. And if you are white, by staying out of the sun.

[sheikalana]

Lots of water too. But yes, you're right a healthy life is key to prolong youth.

[QuestionMark19]

There's so many dickheads on this website. Seriously. Both Men and Women.

Everyone needs to chill. People go worse looking as they get older? Yeah... everyone does. So what? Haha.

[Asker]

There's caveats that are real though. Obviously everyone ages but white people, Asians, fair skinned Latin people age quicker than dark skinned people due to melanin obviously. And women are judged by their look much more so than men, it matters way more for them when they lose their looks.

[QuestionMark19]

Everyone loses their looks as they got older. Not just women. Examples of people aging better or worse, are small numbers.

There are shallow people, and there are unshallow people.

[Asker]

Biology disagrees with you. The darker your skin, the more thicker it is. Which means the cells (melanocyte$) are more densely compact which translates to reduced signs of aging.

[Girlshe33]

Why dont men accept it either? I've seen lots of colleagues dying their hair and going on liposuction and all that. It's not only women but if we do to a higher degree it's because society is often so hard in us. If we are fat, think, old, young, etc..

[Asker]

Liposuction means weight problems, you can always lose that if you aren't a lazy pig, that's not hitting the wall. And I can't really consider going gray hitting the wall, there's plenty of gray haired men banging young attractive women; women are the ones who came up with the idea of a "silver fox".

[nelly83]

@Asker Unless you are a rich old man willing to pay for the young lady. then she's not gonna bang you at all. We, young women, are not attracted to erectile dysfunction, wrinkles, sagginess, or weight gain. Old guys pay for sex, that hot young men get for free.

[Girlshe33]

Yeah keep pretending men aging is sexy while women aging is bad.. gaining weight comes with age, not sexy at all for both

[Asker]

@nelly83 That's EXACTLY my point, through means of status, wealth, fame etc... the wall doesn't exist for men. While the reverse is not true, none of those things attract men to women.

[Asker]

@nelly83 Also stop being dramatic and going to the extreme to try and prove a point. Nobody is talking about 60 year old men in post mid life crises trying to date a 20 year old.

[Angie221994]

Actually. You look younger when you lose weight. Being overweight actually makes you look older.

[VanillaSalt]

Men don’t have a wall. Sure looks are the first to go but men gain in value as they age because of their wealth where as women’s wealth comes early and degraded over time. The question is can these women substitute the wealth their beauty affords them with the wealth a relationship or a life goal gets them before their values gone.

It’s easy getting a man and hanging a family when your a hot 20 something in your prime... what about when your 40 and have saggy tits? The only men available to you are the men that failed up till then or the widowed/divorced. If you don’t build a relationship with a good man by then you’ll have it harder... also men looking for women generally want kids... men can have kids until they die women have a hard walk that just ends and desire I have to be with them. Kids are the only reason I was a women so without that I’m not in.

[nelly83]

@VanillaSalt Men definitely do have a wall. Most guys hit the wall by 34-35. After that age, they usually start gaining weight. Their looks just fade. The rare occasions where old men can get girlfriends 20 years younger than them is because he paid her a large sum of money. She doesn't actually want to be with him.

If he were the average old guy, no young lady would ever pay him any attention. Unless if he's willing to pay

[nelly83]

@Asker I think you have been living under a rock. I have never found old guys to be attractive. How often do you see 20 yr olds dating 45 yr olds? pretty much never. Overwhelming majority of us young folks typically date young folks. Older folks always date older folks.

[VanillaSalt]

And tell me what’s the rate of divorce for you younger people? You always get attracted to jerks and good looking folks. You never make good choices and pick the guy that’s got his shit together... rate of divorce is over 50% and more and more young people not even getting married. And if you actually look for them more and more mid 30s women are on YouTube. Lookup where have all the men gone. Fact is you women have nothing to offer us anymore besides sex. Your five sex for free to jerks that will pump and dump and sell it on only fans to the incels. Guys with value refuse to settle for women that are rude, competitive, masculine, and can’t or refuse to have their kids. If you won’t bring what we want to the table men will take what they can get without giving you what you want. A few kind words and a meals all it takes to get you in the sheets these days. It’s honestly disgusting.

[nelly83]

@VanillaSalt I don't date guys over 32/33 cuz thats usually the end of a man's prime. If he's any older, you will start seeing weight gain and looks fading year by year. By the time he's 40, his looks are usually entirely gone.

[VanillaSalt]

And what will you do when your 35 and all men look like that? What will you have left? Your winning personality that’s failed to keep a man in your bed longer than a few months?

[nelly83]

@VanillaSalt If you're old and ugly , you would have no other choice but fuck other old and ugly people. But I'm really not worried about being single for life. As long as I have a child, I'll be happy. Romance is overrated. People are too selfish to understand what love really is about nowadays.

[nelly83]

@VanillaSalt but as of right now, i won't date guys im not attracted to. I'm too young to be dating an old fat uncle.

[Asker]

@nelly83 I see what you're doing lol. I'm gonna disengage, I didn't post this question for passive aggressive beefing.

[locutus9999]

@nelly83 I ma 38 and in my prime... as I am sure many women to. What i've saw, is that is that culture have become quite rigid. For me the only thing that push me to look for younger woman are... most of my age are already divorced and with kids... I want my own kids to, I want my first ( and hope no divorce), be also her first marriage. I personally do not believe is a real wall, but I have my plans and I have to maximise the chances to be able to make it happen.

[nelly83]

@Asker I think your question is passive aggressive too.

[nelly83]

@locutus9999 Its understandable how you would want a woman with no baggage. But I'll need to be honest with you, time is not in your favor. The older you get, the uglier you will get. And of course most of us young women are not looking for an old man for a husband to spend the rest of our lives with. Nobody likes old. And also there is also the factor of life stage incompatibility. If your wife is 45 and you are 60, its only a matter of time before the marriage starts falling apart. Women don't marry to become nannies, they want to be wives.

[locutus9999]

@nelly83 I have very good genetic, still get confuse for an early 30's (baby face, abundant hair, no age marks), my ex have 32, I hang out still with some 28s, 29s, 30's. no problem. I got that from my mom... she looks very young till now. I may say, that in general you are right, and that's ok, but not my case.

[nelly83]

@locutus9999 ok. if you can manage to look young. then you can still stretch it out for a few more years. But still, if most young women find out you're 12+ years older, they would be less likely to want to date you. There are some young women who do like daddies but most of us don't. My max is 34 even if he does manage to look young.

[locutus9999]

@nelly83 dear, 25, for me is to much of a baby... you are like russian roulette for me... you can be straight today and lesbian tomorrow (not talking about you but your age group), so That's why i look more defined beings, like around the 30's, any way for me a good difference is between 8 to 4 years down... never up.

[nelly83]

@locutus9999 you actually sound like a decent guy. Most of the perverts on here are 46 yr old men trying to go after 20 yr old girls.

[locutus9999]

@nelly83 agree!

[FeralChihuahua]

Once I see I start gaining some wrinkle I’ll get some natural looking Botox🤷🏻‍♀️ It’ll make me feel pretty at that age I’m sure

[DC_Underground]

Please do not do botox. Honestly the two remedies to avoiding that. Drinking a lot of water, not bathing in the sun (ie: at the beach), massing the face, eating healthy and even limiting smiling really hard. These might seem a bit absurd but eh I heard it works. People will get wrinkles as they age but look at someone like actor Paul Rudd whos already 50 I believe and compare that to Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr who’s also in his 50s.

[FeralChihuahua]

I don’t mean mild wrinkles I mean like heavy deep wrinkles. I already do all those things so hope they pay off

[Jamie05rhs]

Probably because they've spent their whole lives believing in superficial things and they've never known what true love is. So their entire identity is wrapped up in their "beauty" (which isn't really beauty at all.)

[Shuttlebus78]

Go to any MGTOW or Red Pill forum. You will see why women feel about natural aging.

[Jamie05rhs]

Why would I want to go to any of those forums?

[beefy40]

women love double standards. they expect men to accept if he not tall, he's not attractive in a masculine way. But they force men to accept all women as beautiful "because you are supposed to be nice". and not stick up for yourself, your brother, or your friend.

[VanillaSalt]

Ignore the bitch that down voted you... remember what does your on lol

[VanillaSalt]

Site... damn phone

[AwkwardRush]

Well I'm 28 soon.. I always said in my teens I would welcome age and be excited but recently with my grey hairs growing in constantly having to dye it, my skin is aging poorly. I do feel self conscious. I wish I didn't but I just do and my husband has a hot young new girlfriend so lol that helps. Don't know what to say 🤣🤷‍♀️

[Asker]

Do you sleep well, diet and exercise?

[AwkwardRush]

No, no and no. Up until the last few months I've began to finally care about myself.

[Asker]

Well there is your answer

[AwkwardRush]

I think for me the struggle is that in my early mid 20's I didn't give a shit but now that I do it's too late and the damage has been done to my body from drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating poorly and no exercise. It's definitely harder the older you get to lose weight as well so it just really sucks. I would go back in time and tell my younger self to take better care of my body.

[mindNsoul]

You are 28 still young and have more than have of your life ahead of you. Don't make a man cheating on you on a younger woman define nor men online. In real life we men and women mean more than the flesh we carry. And no it is not too late. The only way it is too late is when your doctor tells you that. Losing hope and stop trying will only make things worse.

Be kind to yourself young lady. Don't be your worst enemy and definitely don't listen to crap about 'hitting the wall'. That's stupid and only exist online. I know many women who married late and who had children late. I know my community and reality. I myself never felt crazy about both these things and I don't get what random people say affect me. If someone wants to date younger or older it is upto them it doesn't impact me personally in any way.

Your mental health and happiness is more important and would reflect on your physical health that's all I'm saying. We all grow older and that's only natural.

[Asker]

@mindNsoul I agree except with having children late, that in my opinion is selfish because the risk of birth defects gets exponentially higher the more you age.

[mindNsoul]

@Asker read the numbers right the difference in percentage changes is still minimal and the chances of a healthier child are very high in this day and age. That's in terms of statistics. remember an increase from 0.5 to 1 percent can still raise panic when you report it as 100% increase in risk. My advice is to go check the actual raw data collected in the original studies and also while you at it check the dates and type of women these studies were conducted on. That's better than just echoing what others say. plus many newer studies debunked those older ones with advanced medicine and healthier women in their forties than a century ago.

Newer firtility studiesin both the US and UK by the way shows that 50% of couples unable to have babies are caused by male factors and not females.

In my own family many women had kids in their forties and the kids are healthy, loved and happy. My own mom did. And both of my baby sisters are very blessed in their lives. My mum doesn't look old at all and I know my family is just lucky with the genetics. Including me. I don't mind aging because it is natural. I don't inject my face with anything and if a man is so obsessed with being with someone young than why should that bother me. He is shallow and I'm not into shallow people. Simple as that.

I am attracted to intelligence, character and humor. And from what I see men still approach me and tbh surprisingly younger men do more. For three years now I mainly get approached by younger men. I don't date younger that's just my rule. And the youngest I talked to was three years younger. It is just a preference. In real life intelligent men do approach women regardless of age. Plus every man can't be attracted to me like I can't be attracted to all of you guys. It is just life. One compatible person is all what everyone need so why stress about what everyone out in the world thinks 🤷‍♀️

[locutus9999]

Hit the gym, go to therapy. use sunscreen or whatever make up with it, get your vitamins to an optimal level, eat healthy. And most important love yourself. 28 you are very young. plus, and please take this seriously... avoid the sun.

[Anonymous]

I think this a white people thing because my mum and her friends look my age and people think were sisters no wrinkles and are pushing 50

[Asker]

Yes. Weaker melanin affects fair skinned races way more. It does happen to black woman though, just much later

[Opinion Owner]

They must be mixed with white or African American because people from my ethnic group don't show age in the face till 80.

[Asker]

Doubt it but ok

[___nik]

@asker Asian women have a gene in their skin which literally makes sure that they don't wrinkle as fast with time than their white fair skinned counterparts. African and south Asians tend to age well too, just not as well as Asians do. white people have the most evident aging out of the ethnic groups.

[Opinion Owner]

East asains age faster than darker blacks still cause melanin content is higher making the skin thicker either way were vampires and don't need to worry about losing attractiveness like whites do at 27

[___nik]

@OpinionOwner east Asians actually do not have the gene to make them generate wrinkles like everyone else does. it's a genetic mystery and no one quite knows how it happened. while melanin does slow down aging, not having the gene for proper skin aging is even more effective at pushing back wrinkles.

[Opinion Owner]

I've seen asains that wrinkle though. Are you Asian?

[___nik]

nah i'm south Asian, i'm not part of the east Asian community which lacks the wrinkle gene. yes they do wrinkle, but due to the absence of the gene they wrinkle much later. it's why an Asian woman in her 30s can still look like she's in her early 20s while a white person can't.

[Gravit1]

Actually all groups show signs of aging and people within them can identify them. We are bombarded with European signs of aging, but all groups have them. Most groups actually do wrinkle, but lighter skinned individuals show it more as the contrast is more visible. Two big indicators across all groups are vocal changes and skin thickness. Everyone talks about European signs of aging, but the biggest indicator with us is the wrinkles. Some hold hair color to the end. Asians still get liver spots and vocal changes. Genetics are definitely involved, but you still find European individuals with limited wrinkling and lots of sun. I expect to wrinkle, but my mother has limited wrinkling at 60 and she spends time fishing in the summer, probably her Baltic Genes. Every group can still identify signs, just some are more apparent.

[Asker]

@Gravit1 Here comes the white person who just has to feel included in everything.

[Gravit1]

Asker, Talking about genetics and group trends peaks my interest. You don't have to make it weird or racist. I study genetics and apply that to biological research. If you didn't like what I said you should have just said that instead of being rude. Please point to an error in what I said.

[Gravit1]

*piques

[___nik]

@Gravit1 that is true. what i'm trying to say is different groups age differently, and since the european beauty standard is now universal, ethnic people tend to look more "beautiful" than a white person the same age, since the standard of beauty doesn't affect them that way. in their youth, white people are regarded as more attractive due to these eurocentric beauty standards, however with age they tend to look less and less attractive compared to their ethnic counterparts due to the loss of beauty centered around wrinkles.
I don't know if that makes sense, but thank you for your response :)

[Gravit1]

@___nik You mostly pointed out the reality, but it's not some much matching the standard when young and not so when old. It is more that women throughout the world want to appear young as they feel that is the standard, their desire, and purpose. Of course their humanity is much more valuable, especially to God, but women the world over still strive for youth. Most European individuals target wrinkles mainly, but every woman has a routine no matter what her ethnicity. I know Asian, African American, and Hispanic women that all have routines.

[___nik]

@Gravit1 true! what i'm saying is that due to the eurocentric beauty standard, caucasian women tend to have it the worst with age.

[Gravit1]

@___nik Everyone throws around the term Caucasian, but all it means is someone (believed) to have descended from the Caucasus mountains. This includes Indians, Northern Africans, Arabians, and Europeans from that belief. Four very unique groups. I agree with you that the media and beauty standards are more Eurocentric, but I've even seen East Asian woman attack the appearance of other East Asian women over age. Woman hen peck over appearance regardless of ethnicity.

[Opinion Owner]

The truth is coloured people don't have any routine its just simply genetics having routine is good but even whites who do retinol still will always look older. Come to Europe and you will see this especially they all peak at teenage hood but look 40 in 20s I've gotten white older women approach me and think I'm 14 when I'm 20 and say oh wow you will look young when you become our age. Its a trend here to get botox to prevent wrinkling in 20s. Also society as whole especially west have issue with ageing women more than men a very unrealistic standard when put on white women

[Gravit1]

Every woman has a routine, You may call it your skin care routine, but that's exactly what it is. All women start to loose skin circulation with age. I can identify the signs of aging in all women because I know what I'm looking for. Some fair skinned individuals don't get wrinkles, but as some wise users pointed out it's genetics, environment, and diet that make a difference. I work out in the sun and don't wear sunblock, I have really good circulation however and eat a skin conscious diet. I expect to wrinkle and don't care. However my mother is 60 and looks like her 40s. She spends hours in her garden and fishing, I don't think I'll be so lucky, but as a male wrinkles are often treated as distinguishing. Personally, I welcome age as it implies I'm closer to leaving this world. I could probably tell your age from other factors. You are lying when you claim that people of non European descent do not have a routine. Maybe you personally, but billions of dollars of international cosmetics, diet books, and practices say otherwise. The women that are so compelled to look younger are nice, but a rare find.

[Opinion Owner]

Those whites you talk of are either mixed slightly with asain/native American/black and have money like shakira but even then its a slight delay. Its impossible for pure 100% white dna person to not age faster than a coloured no amount of diet, skin routine or environment can reverse that fact its dna thats why they invented sunscreen and their is a lot of science to back it. Of course even for men its better to look young but theirs not as much pressure. If it really worked no one would age at all but no one can be helped by their genetics in the end of the day. Facts of life are just facts of life we all look different for a reason coloured people evolved to resist the intense sun and get darker naturally towards the equator while whites the opposite. As a result of modern day inventions the suns harmful rays come in more causing discovery that they cause number one increased aging of course whites are not as built for that so enjoy your youth while it lasts.

[Gravit1]

Not so, different regions of Europe has different qualities from diets, lifestyles, and genetics. No one evolved from anything, but it it is true more melanin offers more sun protection. The environment does impact gene expression, but it is not the only factor. European individuals produce more vitamin D so we all have trade offs. There is no such thing as "white" DNA, so grow up. All wrinkle to some degree, but Europeans have more contrast. Also non Europeans tend to produce less melanin as they age leading to more contrast and wrinkling. Asians, Africans, Hispanics, and all other groups still get laugh lines and stress lines. Middle eastern women tend to use more make up to conceal age. Different women use different methods, but all women have methods. I mainly pay attention to moles, skin thickness, skin tone, and voices,. These indicators work on all women. Non Europeans start to get thinner skin around the same time as Europeans. They also start to produce less melanin. Everyone's voice changes with age, so I know the signs. I have a lot of friends 60+, so you learn things and they tell me things. All people age, there's just different signs. Asians tend to get more osteoporosis, liver spots, and thinner skin like most. Everyone ages, there's just different signs.

[Opinion Owner]

Europeans already have thinner skin. There skin is white because it wants to receive more sun. White skin is like a sponge for light rays. Not only is your skin almost devoid of melanin so is your hair and eyes even the shape of your features is to do with altitude. This is all so you produce vitamin D while coloured have thicker melanin rich skin as a block of overdosing light rays since enough of sun is made in hot countries to make vitamin D. Its evolution. How else are Europeans supposed to survive in cold climates with little sun for centuries? And so you wrinkle its not some "contrast" or something its your skin being paper thin and super absorbant of increased light rays. A 50 year old white does not look like a 50 year black and thats just reality. Also dna in every cell in melanin rich bodies also age slower because of protective qualities its even shown in teleomere damage, as cells divide more as someone ages its been shown whites have more damage than black which is a sign of cells not dividing as well hence age of organism is much faster. Even if we say physical age, biological age of coloured people is always younger. What im trying to tell you is you have not evolved these things at all just like I haven't evolved colourful hair/eye colour for a reason. There is no point playing the all humans card because we all look different so age different rates therfore evolved diffrent to fit our native climates.

[Opinion Owner]

Even if you 'add' things on our face, every cell inside is still aging at a more or less rapid pace which is only reduced by genes with anti aging side effects. Also coloured people especially dark-skinned ones don't get any 'lines' anywhere unless their nearing their death bed while european get this as young as 22. Plus what is wrong with saying white dna? White dna = european dna, in this case im talking about something in common they all have not focusing on feature difference like Northern nordics and Eastern Europeans looks. Even me im cushitic east African but I share skin tones with west African blacks but no facial features? . Your whole aging argument is down to 'contrast' which is ridiculous thats like saying 'maybe if I was painted white it would be obvious' but thats not how it works

[Gravit1]

Bull crap, everyone gets stress lines. Now your living in fantasy land. Wrinkles are actually very common to for non-European genetics as well, it is a matter of contrast. You are totally speaking out of ignorance. Everyone's skin will lose melanin and get thinner. Wrinkles are caused by thin skin an the visible shadows over creases. When the skin tone matches those shadows the wrinkles are less visible. Some individuals keep the elasticity and thickness of their skin, but will eventually lose both. All people experience this, but at different times. There are no white or black people genetically, there are only different levels of melanin production and that is completely variable throughout the world. My argument isn't relegated to contrast either. Though contrast covers individuals from most of the world. There still is a small percentage that appear to age slower within their own populations. That is actually experienced everywhere. Even outside of contrast I can point out other signs of aging, like skin thickness, skin lightness, liver spots, moles, etc. These types of changes show up in all groups. They have already begun in you. Everyone is subject to change, we just experience different ones.

[Opinion Owner]

So when its convenient for europeans like you you like to play that 'were all the same' 'I see no colour card' newsflash were entirely different there's facts behind our different appearances. You just ignored all the OBJECTIVE FACTS I stated and went ranting about your SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE hardly any hard science backing you. So what if melanin does decrease you lot dont have much melanin to even begin with im not denying aging just that none of us age like you Europeans we look miles younger than you at any stage in life side by side. That's just facts. I don't want to generalise but whites like you need to stop the trend of taking features or things from coloured people and then pretending its yours or then in same note going out of your way and trying to force it down every populations throats who frankly couldn't give a crap or invite yourself on their turf to tell them your human beauty standard its entitled haughty and insecure little man energy and based on no scientific evidence. If i was God id be embarrassed watching some groups of human. Everyone has superior genes and some not in every human group we are no diffrent than those animals of one species can we just embrace our biological realities and love the uniqueness of humans on other side of the planet with respect? Its not fucking hard facts don't care about your feelings.

[Gravit1]

What I was saying is even lighter skin is already seen as old. Some reasons are to that old people tend to spend more time indoors as well so that can shift things. However, it is part of the aging process. Americans eat a lot of garbage and that doesn't help things either. When people naively, ignorantly, and or racistly call things "a white people thing". It needs to be addressed. Genetically there is no "white". So then you look at the genes that regulate melanin production. We all have them. There are two main pigments. One is more of a slightly reddish tan, the other a dark brown. The balance between these determines skin color. Also things you eat can affect skin color, more beta carotene can lead to yellowing of the skin. Some medicines can cause blue skin as well. Calling people white without considering their background is racist. Just like calling a person yellow, red, or black. Everyone has different history and traits. Some wrinkle more and others less, but whether you do or don't you will age. Rich westerners are even more obsessed with it, because they worship materialism and their own image, but we are all headed for death. People want to look and feel young, so they'll forget that they are dying. That is the bigger picture here. The strive for youth is only a symptom.

[Opinion Owner]

Well I'll give you this, your extremely intelligent considering were the same age, what you speak of are outliers though I was speaking in general terms also I dont think the world is ready for in depth conversation about the differences within "races" themselves even though I'm not blind to them at all. I have moments when generalisation of a whole race also bothers me but that's just detail. We live in a world were we speak in genrals or rigid views of race and although generally accurate most conversations don't get deeper than that.

[Gravit1]

I'm not all that intelligent, I'm aware of some things, but more can always be learned. I find the discussion interesting and you brought up some points worth considering, especially about perception. Perception isn't everything, but affects one's world view. I believe in the Soul and that all are equal in value, but our casing is apparently different, but biologically it does work the same. Looking at genetics just how much we are all alike is abundantly clear. The extremes are under 50 generations difference, but most are even closer. If you look at a Genetic map of the world it is consistent with the Biblical account of people spreading from the Middle East. Whether you follow the Biblical account or not, we all have a shared origin and are all human. Depending on your blood type we could share blood or even organs. I believe people were design to work together, but that can only be accomplished by shared beliefs and looking past meaningless differences.

[winterfox10]

A lot of women feel that their value in society comes from their physical beauty. Imagine waking up one day and realizing that you're losing your value and that there is very little you can do about it.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think women would be more than happy to age if it weren’t for men devaluing them because they are afraid of their own aging.

[winterfox10]

@Shuttlebus78 I disagree with that analysis. Many men feel that society values them more as they earn more money, age and mature. Women's insecurities come from marketing and competing with other women.

[Shuttlebus78]

Nope sorry go to any MGTOW or Red Pill forum. That’s all they talk about.

[winterfox10]

@Shuttlebus78 MGTOW and RedPill people tend to be the frustrated outlier of men who feel they've been wronged by women. I don't think it's fair to say that those people are the norm.

[Shuttlebus78]

I don’t know. Read some of the comments on here. If it were up to me-we’d all be decent people.

[Marriedwith2]

Gee, a blue anon incel... what a shock!!!

don't worry, your blow-up doll will never age

[Asker]

Just calling someone names doesn't silence them man. I have done nothing incelish this whole question thread. Take off your chain mail there buddy.

[Whatsup67]

Honesty I think she looks great, and wdym by your question?

[msyilidzz]

I think Jennifer Lopez look great for a woman over 50 but she is also a millionaire so she can afford products to help with her appearance that many non rich woman might not be able

[Asker]

That's my point. She still looks horrible with the surgery, high quality food and medical care.

[msyilidzz]

I think she looks good well at least better than most other woman I have seen over 50

[Asker]

I can agree with "better than most", not "good" tho.

[msyilidzz]

Yes, I have seen other female celebrities I think are more pretty than her
but based on non famous women over 50 I think she looks better than most I have seen and is at least physically fitter.

[Inquisitive3]

when a guy balds, he know his attractive factor is gone yet women skill consider him.

[Silver158]

no the difference is if a guy balds, actual masculine men don't let it bother them or make it work for them by growing a beard or something. And that's what is attractive, the confidence they show even through losing their hair. Can guarantee, lesser men have tried to bring them down over it and they just shrug it off.

[Gravit1]

@Silver158 Depending when you fully grow a beard actually impacts balding. The same testosterone that forms the beard causes balding to start. So it's kind of a trade off. Generally earlier beards lead to earlier balding. That is why so many bearded individuals rock the bald look.

[Silver158]

@Gravit1 Guess I'm screwed then. Mine is still patchy lol

[Gravit1]

@Silver158 Typically full beards, but as most men grow beards, most bald. Some grow a very late beard and keep a whole head of hair. Not fair, but what can you do?

[Silver158]

@Gravit1 rogaine?

[Alyssa11]

Honestly I think a lot of it comes down to general good health, self care and a lot of it is genetics.

[art84]

Maybe cause women don't age gracefully unless they have good genes.

[Shuttlebus78]

Neither do most men. Stop believing Hollywood. It’s a dying giant.

[Shuttlebus78]

Something g I’ve noticed- men who are in their 30s and older who fear aging start lashing out at whoever they can do they feel better about themselves. Losers love to hurt people.

[art84]

@Shuttlebus78

I don't fear aging as I know that my looks will fade as I get into my 50's, 60's, 70's.

[Shuttlebus78]

Statistically men begin hitting the wall at 35. But keep making it a game abojt how boys are better than girls lol.

[Shuttlebus78]

Btw- the lowest form of man is the one who generalized and picks on those weaker than them like women. Just because Hollywood says it’s true doesn’t mean it is. We are finding more and more everyday that aging effects all about the same way. Depends on how you care for yourself. Yes you dear aging. It’s very clear too. Women deserve better than you.

[slatyb]

It's true, but a skilled cosmetic surgeon can make a difference. For entertainers who are partly paid for their appearance it can make sense.

[IAMNativeson87]

They grow accustomed to being desired, adored, chased, etc. And when age threatens that, they go ape $#@!

[Shuttlebus78]

So do men. Trust me women spoil good looking men too.

[IAMNativeson87]

@Shuttlebus78 Im aware. But the question was posed as it relates to women.

[Shuttlebus78]

I think men hit the wall around the same age. They try to make women feel bad about it. They also have a harder time getting it up. I think it’s horrid that people devalue people as they get older.

[Asker]

You don't understand what I've been saying. Yes men age, but it doesn't matter near as much because physical attractiveness isn't as paramount for men as it is for women. The concept of "the wall" doesn't really exist for guys. Aging =/= the wall

[kkirk4442]

Probably because hitting the wall is violent, and they are not into violence.

[Nerdvana]

It's because most men won't let women hit the wall gracefully. A lot of men tend to get critical of woman when they get older. Especially if she has children. Her body changes for ever.

[Grubhub]

Yeah when I saw her without makeup it turned me off so I no longer find her attractive

[DC_Underground]

I think women can age gracefully but just be in shape and drink a lot of water. Avoid caking on make up. Don’t stress yourself out with a mind numbing career just for the sake of money.

[MountAverage]

I think most women do age gracefully. But maybe that's because I pay more attention to people IRL than online.

[Anonymous]

I don't know. We all women should give you men kids before 30 and just die. Then you men can grow those children up and breed with your daughters and then continue the cycle. Alas no women will live after the age of 30. Finally men will become HAPPY

[Asker]

Sounds like a plan. Get to work effective immediately on it.

[Opinion Owner]

I can't do anything alone especially if it's not my need
But spread this news to your sisters and female friends and neighbours. Also it's better for your sister to breed with you since corona.
If your mom still has fresh eggs, fertilize them and kill her after 9 month. Even then there will be lots of women. Just kidnapp every woman breed them and after 9 months, do a mass murder.
SPREAD THE WORD.

Remember "you must be the change you wish to see in this world"
So quick remove your pants and start with your little sis. FOR MEN
#FinallyHappyMen

[Asker]

Alright see, I was on board for the jokes but you went completely off the deep end.

[Opinion Owner]

This is no joke buddy. You have to strive for the happiness of men. You may even die while impregnating so much women and their kids but you will die a HERO🦸‍♂️

[Asker]

Is this female inceldom?

[Opinion Owner]

Femdom is for submissive males and it promotes female dominance and tries to remove male happiness. You shouldn't think about it. Just remove your pants and start the process. And get rid of all the femdoms

[Asker]

You sound like you watch animes

[Opinion Owner]

I never watched that shit

[Anonymous]

I can't relate. I'm in my late twenties and people still think I'm a teenager, which I often have to correct. Sometimes, I wish I looked more of my age.

[Asker]

Are you a minority?

[VanillaSalt]

Same here... I get carded if I get alcohol right after a shave... kinda flattering and annoying at the same time lmao

[Opinion Owner]

Yes.

[Opinion Owner]

@VanillaSalt I get carded no matter what lol. At this point, I just have it ready and expect the "Omg, you look so young for your age" lol.

[VanillaSalt]

It works out for your favor... in my case lmao... I try not to shave too much

[Opinion Owner]

@VanillaSalt
Lol, that sort of works in your favor too. All you have to do is shave if you want to look younger versus the alternatives.

[Anonymous]

This happens even with girls before they hit the wall, when their makeup mask is off and I'm sober.

[CasaNorba]

not sure why you still having a hard time analyzing that women dont like living in reality

[Shuttlebus78]

Oh you think men do? In every way men don’t either. That’s why they pick on those weaker than they are. It’s cheap and makes everyone including themselves miserable. Life is just too short.

[CasaNorba]

@Shuttlebus78 at least we dont try to defy our biology or get mad at how things work in life that obviously can't be change; like the way we age of course

oh yeah and what makes you think women dont pick on those who are weaker then them? at least when we do we do it face to face. we dont pretend to be friends with those we look down upon just to exploit them later on.

[Shuttlebus78]

Women aren’t upset about aging. They are upset because men even have the full to talk about hitting the wall. The shallowness and coldness is what upsets women.

[CasaNorba]

@Shuttlebus78 let me guess you're still haven't loss your virginity huh?

[Shuttlebus78]

Oh my god yes several times too.

[CasaNorba]

@Shuttlebus78 several times? you only lose it once so I guess that perhaps you're counting the "times" you fantasize about doing so.

till then the reason why I ask is because it sounds like you're naivety with women has no limits

[Shuttlebus78]

Let me spell it out- I fuck more often than most guys on Gag brag about having. Lol. Decent people are on a whole other wavelength from people like you.

[CasaNorba]

@Shuttlebus78 are you sure? cause you talk about " shallowness and coldness is what upsets women" like that shit never pertains to them. a man who is experience with women and female nature will pick up on this concept right away instead of denying it nothing but wishful thinking.

[Shuttlebus78]

Nope everyone has faults. You just like to focus on the faults of those weaker than you like chicks because you are weak.

[bamesjond0069]

Because many of them never grow up and they resort to temper tantrums instead of taking realistic course of action.

[bamesjond0069]

Ugh the retardation on these posts. The wall is not primarily about looks. Its primarily about fertility. If you're approaching the end of your fertility you are useless to men who want a normal family. Thats the wall. Sure looks and dating history and other factors play in but if you can't give the man kids you can't give him what he's looking for out of a serious relationship or marriage.

[Shuttlebus78]

There’s a lot more to life than having kids. Besides according to men that discriminate against women don’t want kids anyways. They are just desperate people grabbing anything they can to pull everyone down with them.

[bamesjond0069]

@Shuttlebus78 uh huh. But most men want kids. So most men won't want a serious relationship with a girl approaching end of fertility. So big drop in demand is the wall. I didn't say some men won't like those girls, just most men won't like those girls.

[Shuttlebus78]

No actually most men don’t. In fact, most men by a certain age don’t want them anymore because they are smart enough to know it isn’t in the best interest of the child to have parents in a nursing home while they are getting ready for prom.

[Anonymous]

You were saying?

[Asker]

When was Antonio Conte ever considered attractive? Brendan Frasier just needs to lose weight. And the sad thing for women is, even being bald and fat, which are not the wall, men will still get young attractive women if they are well to do, famous, of status, have a high paying job. Everyone in both genders knows that's not the case for women.

[Opinion Owner]

Is that denial I hear?

[Opinion Owner]

Since your anon I say you're a balding 20yr old who's been told at 30 is when he'll break the chains of virginity

[Asker]

You didn't address anything I said but I'm in denial? Ok. And nope, still have a full head of hair and just got a nice hipster fade last week. I lost my virginity at 19, which I'll admit is late but even if I was a bald virgin. You can't debunk what I said.

[Opinion Owner]

What's there to debunk?

[Asker]

And no I'm anon because I know questions like this attract emotional people exactly like yourself who can't attack the argument so they attack the person or their character instead.

[Opinion Owner]

I answered it with men can age badly as well, if you read the other comments women can do as well

[cathedralist]

I agree, women hit a wall and become undesirable early on. This lady is the only one in denial.

[Asker]

I'm not denying that everyone ages, that'd be weirdo shit. However everyone doesn't hit the wall, the peak of a woman's attractiveness is 25-30, that's not the case for men because women value what a man can provide.

[Opinion Owner]

Which is what?

[Asker]

You tell me...

[Opinion Owner]

I'm asking? If you're talking from a purely beneficiary level both genders are pretty equal with what they can bring

[Asker]

Women can bring whatever they'd like, men don't value it. Men value looks, women value protection and stability with looks being the added bonus.

[Opinion Owner]

You dont value It

[Asker]

I personally don't value looks heavily, I think an intelligent, creative and open chick that's a 7 is more beautiful than what most guys would consider a 10. I'm just not most guys though, just like the women who don't value a man's material assets are in the minority.

[Opinion Owner]

Youd be surprised

[Opinion Owner]

Really depends on what you value, terms of hitting the wall it's never something I've fussed over because it happens to anyone🤷🏻‍♀️

[Asker]

Again. Hitting the wall exclusively applies to women. Hitting the wall =/= aging.

[Opinion Owner]

Really doesn't but have your opinion

[Asker]

Why are so you defensive if I might ask?

[Opinion Owner]

Who?

[Shuttlebus78]

Don’t forget John Travolta and Axl Rose... yikes! I’ve seen men and women who don’t take care of themselves. Neither age well. I’ve seen men and women who do and they age about the same. I think it’s awful that men shame women due to their beauty. I think men will eventually be treated exactly how they treat others.

[Shuttlebus78]

All the men who thumbs down. Have you stood up to men who do the same to women? Nope! Because none of you give a shit about anyone but yourself. That’s a major problem in modern society.

[Shuttlebus78]

Sorry the wall does exist for men because believe it or not most women won’t go with a guy they find repulsive.

[Shuttlebus78]

@cathedralist guys who feel the need to push those weaker than them around and bully aren’t worthy of women’s attention. Lasting love is priceless. You are cheap and come a dime a dozen.

[Shuttlebus78]

@cathedralist oh by the way Prince William is a prime example of looks.

[Anonymous]

Because the only good woman is a dead woman. When they're young, it's whoever they want, the bad boys, thugs, etc. It never occurred to these retarded pixies that their beauty will soon fade and they'd better pick a decent man and treat him with respect.

Things like that are like a foreign language to women, so I decided not to bother with them.

[Asker]

You sound sad as fuck. Getting pussy is not that hard. You are not entitled to fuck hot chicks just because you exist, if you're ugly or a loser, approach ugly and loser chicks; or work on your appearance or financial game. Pussy is probably the most easily available commodity on the planet and you guys obsess over not being able to get it. Smh

[Opinion Owner]

I never said I was entitled to anything. You cannot fool me into simping, we know these women's game.

[Asker]

How is that simping? Bro can you suburban losers stop murdering every ounce of legitimacy that word has, or had. You people don't even know what the word means.

[Cherokeehp]

J-lo is 50, how do you expect her to look?

[Grubhub]

That pic was probably 10 years ago lmfao

[Cherokeehp]

@Grubhub even so, how do y’all expect her to look?

[Grubhub]

She just doesn’t look good without makeup meaning she’s overrated in the looks department

[Cherokeehp]

@Grubhub most people aren’t very beautiful without makeup. And she’s literally 50

[cb24l]

Because they don't like whores in their walls and I don't blame them.

[pigoat]

Everyone i know love

Jennifer Lopez she looks so good for their age

She a queen

[Asker]

She's a queen after 2 hours in a makeup chair

[SphynxUK]

She’s looks ok with or without makeup.

[SphynxUK]

As do most women regardless of age.

[Asker]

@SphynxUK. I prefer women without makeup myself but in this case because of her age, she looks unattractive without makeup.

[Anonymous]

Is this to refer to women's SMV declining with age?

[havingfun101]

Acceptance won't keep their egos from crumbling?

[Shuttlebus78]

They aren’t accepted though. Red Pills, MGTOW and Hollywood tell them they aren’t as valuable. In reality aging effects everyone

[havingfun101]

Men are fertile for decades longer than women, so you're just plain wrong.

[Shuttlebus78]

Most men have a hard time getting g it up after
35. Besides fertility isn’t an indicator of value. If that were true people would die as soon as they became infertile. Besides most people don’t want kids anyways.

[Shuttlebus78]

Sure pal men stay 20 forever. Get a clue. Why am I arguing with a dude who thinks illegal immigrants should be able to vote while citizens of their own country shouldn't? Nobody wants to have your kids, I guess you’re useless based on your own assessment.

[Shuttlebus78]

There are women in their 60s having children now. I personally wouldn’t recommend anyone male or female to have kids when they can sign up for AARP. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

[havingfun101]

Those are the fat men, only.
Old men get women pregnant often; old women rarely get pregnant.
I never said that, you spider monkey; illegal immigrants should all be deported.
Mother's over 30 have greater risk of having autistic or otherwise defective children, but with men, it's not nearly as problematic. You know nothing, spider monkey.

[Shuttlebus78]

Yep and fathers over 40 are more at risk of having g kids with disabilities. So go again. See this is why one sided people like you never get ahead in life. I’m sorry if you’ve had a bad life. But having issues with women in general is not healthy. I intend to grow old with a lady and love her despite her age as I will have aged too. Also I don’t want kids after 40. Yes more and more older women are having successful births. I wouldn’t recommend being old though and having kids. Whether you can or can’t. I think it shows a great lack of thought.

[Shuttlebus78]

See men like you have been around since the dawn of time. Henry the 8th killed or banished every woman who ever fell in love with him because he didn’t want to own up to the fact that he had anything to do with not being able to provide a male child. Turns out his ego and hatred was inaccurate. We have also evolved as humans to be much more than having children. People at every age are valuable.

[Asker]

@havingfun101 we can still produce "viable" sperm when wr are older, but the majority of those births lead to some kind of defect. Cellular degeneration is a reality for all human beings

[havingfun101]

For men, the early effects are at 50; meanwhile, 32 year old women are having fertility treatments. Are you seriously discounting two decades of fertility?

[Asker]

I have seen studies with a lower median age but no I'm not discounting anything. I acknowledge that sexual dimorphism exists.

[havingfun101]

Congratulations on being smarter than the vast majority of people on earth.

[Shuttlebus78]

Nope sorry men as young as 40 are having fertility treatments. With advancements in science women are getting pregnant later and later in life.

[Shuttlebus78]

Just because some women have them as early as 32 doesn’t mean that’s the norm. I know a girl in her early 20s having treatments. It has to do with genetics, health and fertility of the individual. My brother in law is in his 30s and is getting help with fertility. So no it has a lot to do with the individual. Stats are updating too and evening out because more research is conducted in both sexes instead of just men.

[havingfun101]

Yeah, the fat men; the aromatase cellular response turns androgens into estrogens and fat people have more and more active fat cells. I'm gone for a few minutes and the autistic screeching is deafening.

[Shuttlebus78]

Nope sorry men as they age have weaker sperm and produce children with disabilities. But keep rooting for guys who make disabled children just to feel like studs. Men who have a lot of money fair better but not by much.

[havingfun101]

Most autistic children come from older mothers, not older fathers; when did your mother have you, 55?

[Shuttlebus78]

Nope sorry. Your stats are biased and out of date. But then again you’ll push any bullshit just to push your agenda. Just like saying women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Somebody actually showed me what you were saying so I know what I’m talking about. Nobody wants to have your kids because only worthless people say what you say and stand what you stand for. It has nothing to do with age it has everything to do with you.

[havingfun101]

So, you listen to girls and think like one, why do I care?
Women over age 40 are 77% more likely than women under age 25 to have a child with autism.
Men over age 40 are twice as likely *as men* under age 25-29 to have a child with autism, but only if the mother is under age 25.
www.webmd.com/.../autism-risk-rises-with-mothers-age

[Shuttlebus78]

I’m going to give you some stats that weren’t made by men’s groups.
“ They found that the most significant factor contributing to probability of pregnancy was the age of the male partner. After six cycles, men aged ≥ 35 years had fertility rates of 25% compared with fertility rates of 52% in men aged < 35 years, representing a 52% decrease in fertility rate.”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../#__sec2title</a>

[Shuttlebus78]

Well yes I agree women become less fertile just like men do. My stats are more reliable than webmd too. Also, I made sure to tell everyone on gag too. I’ll drop your name of they ask why.

[havingfun101]

And women lose 90% of their eggs by age thirty. You're not too bright, are you?

[havingfun101]

Got that last comment late... you're a snitch, too? 🤣

[Shuttlebus78]

Bye bye now everyone on Gag is laughing at people like you. Stay single. Your semen is inferior and most women don’t want to procreate with creeps
Like you anyways. Haha!

[havingfun101]

I get asked out way too much, especially by younger women. Do your girlfriends on GAG also know about my top 3% penis? Men are fertile far longer than women, with better outcomes and the data confirms this.
Deep down your argument stems from the faulty premise that men and women are equal outside of their humanity itself.

[Shuttlebus78]

Sure you do. Dude I see your picture. Chicks don’t date guys that look like you. Why would they even if you were handsome? You don’t have their best interest in mind and you are ugly inside. Oh and nobody on Gag cares about your penis size considering who you are as a person. I’m sorry until you treat women like people, you won’t get anywhere.

[Shuttlebus78]

No sorry again I looked into my data. You have a reputation for not divulging accurate data.

[havingfun101]

"Women are ppL2" ... I can dance and I'm strong; I think I can impregnate virtually at will and that's all I'd need.
What about the studies hyperlinked in virtually all of my supposedly bunk citations... are we only looking at where and not what?

[Shuttlebus78]

Also just because they are young doesn’t mean they are quality. Big difference. I guarantee you that any sane woman would run if they knew what you wanted to see happen to them. Also you’re unemployed likely too.

[Shuttlebus78]

I’ve stopped reading your responses. Only weak bullies need to feel superior to others. You aren’t.

[Shuttlebus78]

Well I doubt they lose that many eggs if they are on the pill. With the pill an egg isn’t dropped. Therefore, they can’t lose them. That’s something that study didn’t take into consideration. That may be why women are staying fertile longer. Some women have been on the pill since they were teens. That means they have as many or almost as many eggs as when they were 18. Almost as many happens when they go off the pill to conceive.

[Shuttlebus78]

No according to my study men start losing fertility around 35.

[Shuttlebus78]

Stop thinking you’re superior when it’s so blatantly obvious you aren’t.

[Shuttlebus78]

That graph is crap btw- women don’t start dropping eggs when they are born. Not until puberty. It hasn’t been updated since 2002. Also Switzerland is a very small sampling. Women are having kids into their 70s now. That would be awful though.

[Shuttlebus78]

My brother in law is not fat.

[Darcia]

So one picture of J-Lo without makeup.

[Asker]

We both know there's countless examples. I'm too lazy to post em all

[Dinklex3]

What's "hitting the wall"?

[Floppy2112]

When you get to the point where you 'used to be hot'. Typically, woman hit that wall sooner than men, but the reaper comes for us all one day.

[Dinklex3]

@Floppy2112 I disagree on that. That literally happens to anyone who stops taking care of themselves. Male or female.

[Dinklex3]

@Floppy2112 but thanks for the definition 👌

[Floppy2112]

That's what I said. Men and women.

[Dinklex3]

@Floppy2112 You said typically women "hit the wall" sooner which I disagree with.

[Floppy2112]

Okay, you don't have to agree, it doesn't change the facts, though. Women mature sooner, they also run out of clock sooner. It's nature's way of distributing justice.

[Dinklex3]

@Floppy2112 Just because females mature sooner doesn't mean they run out the clock sooner as well, lol. That's completely dependent on your lifestyle. I'm 27 years old, when I was 24 all the men I went to high school with looked like they were late 30's early 40's. While myself and a lot of female friends who care about their looks and health don't.
That's just a baseless stereotype made by bitter men, trying to make themselves feel better when they themselves aren't aging gracefully.

[Floppy2112]

lol! Of course you think that now, you're 27. And you can believe what you want, but realistically, the facts are the facts. We'll see what you think when you are 37.

[Dinklex3]

@Floppy2112 That's not something that's "factual ", but alright. 👌

[Anonymous]

Women mostly live on their looks.

[Floppy2112]

lol... Right on the money.

[Iron_Man]

I don’t think Jennifer Lopez Accepted that

[OddBeMe]

Because of pics like these in magazines.