There's so many dickheads on this website. Seriously. Both Men and Women.
Everyone needs to chill. People go worse looking as they get older? Yeah... everyone does. So what? Haha.
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There's caveats that are real though. Obviously everyone ages but white people, Asians, fair skinned Latin people age quicker than dark skinned people due to melanin obviously. And women are judged by their look much more so than men, it matters way more for them when they lose their looks.
Biology disagrees with you. The darker your skin, the more thicker it is. Which means the cells (melanocyte$) are more densely compact which translates to reduced signs of aging.
Why dont men accept it either? I've seen lots of colleagues dying their hair and going on liposuction and all that. It's not only women but if we do to a higher degree it's because society is often so hard in us. If we are fat, think, old, young, etc..
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Liposuction means weight problems, you can always lose that if you aren't a lazy pig, that's not hitting the wall. And I can't really consider going gray hitting the wall, there's plenty of gray haired men banging young attractive women; women are the ones who came up with the idea of a "silver fox".
@Asker Unless you are a rich old man willing to pay for the young lady. then she's not gonna bang you at all. We, young women, are not attracted to erectile dysfunction, wrinkles, sagginess, or weight gain. Old guys pay for sex, that hot young men get for free.
@nelly83 That's EXACTLY my point, through means of status, wealth, fame etc... the wall doesn't exist for men. While the reverse is not true, none of those things attract men to women.
@nelly83 Also stop being dramatic and going to the extreme to try and prove a point. Nobody is talking about 60 year old men in post mid life crises trying to date a 20 year old.
Men don’t have a wall. Sure looks are the first to go but men gain in value as they age because of their wealth where as women’s wealth comes early and degraded over time. The question is can these women substitute the wealth their beauty affords them with the wealth a relationship or a life goal gets them before their values gone.
It’s easy getting a man and hanging a family when your a hot 20 something in your prime... what about when your 40 and have saggy tits? The only men available to you are the men that failed up till then or the widowed/divorced. If you don’t build a relationship with a good man by then you’ll have it harder... also men looking for women generally want kids... men can have kids until they die women have a hard walk that just ends and desire I have to be with them. Kids are the only reason I was a women so without that I’m not in.
@VanillaSalt Men definitely do have a wall. Most guys hit the wall by 34-35. After that age, they usually start gaining weight. Their looks just fade. The rare occasions where old men can get girlfriends 20 years younger than them is because he paid her a large sum of money. She doesn't actually want to be with him.
If he were the average old guy, no young lady would ever pay him any attention. Unless if he's willing to pay
@Asker I think you have been living under a rock. I have never found old guys to be attractive. How often do you see 20 yr olds dating 45 yr olds? pretty much never. Overwhelming majority of us young folks typically date young folks. Older folks always date older folks.
And tell me what’s the rate of divorce for you younger people? You always get attracted to jerks and good looking folks. You never make good choices and pick the guy that’s got his shit together... rate of divorce is over 50% and more and more young people not even getting married. And if you actually look for them more and more mid 30s women are on YouTube. Lookup where have all the men gone. Fact is you women have nothing to offer us anymore besides sex. Your five sex for free to jerks that will pump and dump and sell it on only fans to the incels. Guys with value refuse to settle for women that are rude, competitive, masculine, and can’t or refuse to have their kids. If you won’t bring what we want to the table men will take what they can get without giving you what you want. A few kind words and a meals all it takes to get you in the sheets these days. It’s honestly disgusting.
@VanillaSalt I don't date guys over 32/33 cuz thats usually the end of a man's prime. If he's any older, you will start seeing weight gain and looks fading year by year. By the time he's 40, his looks are usually entirely gone.
And what will you do when your 35 and all men look like that? What will you have left? Your winning personality that’s failed to keep a man in your bed longer than a few months?
@VanillaSalt If you're old and ugly , you would have no other choice but fuck other old and ugly people. But I'm really not worried about being single for life. As long as I have a child, I'll be happy. Romance is overrated. People are too selfish to understand what love really is about nowadays.
@nelly83 I ma 38 and in my prime... as I am sure many women to. What i've saw, is that is that culture have become quite rigid. For me the only thing that push me to look for younger woman are... most of my age are already divorced and with kids... I want my own kids to, I want my first ( and hope no divorce), be also her first marriage. I personally do not believe is a real wall, but I have my plans and I have to maximise the chances to be able to make it happen.
@locutus9999 Its understandable how you would want a woman with no baggage. But I'll need to be honest with you, time is not in your favor. The older you get, the uglier you will get. And of course most of us young women are not looking for an old man for a husband to spend the rest of our lives with. Nobody likes old. And also there is also the factor of life stage incompatibility. If your wife is 45 and you are 60, its only a matter of time before the marriage starts falling apart. Women don't marry to become nannies, they want to be wives.
@nelly83 I have very good genetic, still get confuse for an early 30's (baby face, abundant hair, no age marks), my ex have 32, I hang out still with some 28s, 29s, 30's. no problem. I got that from my mom... she looks very young till now. I may say, that in general you are right, and that's ok, but not my case.
@locutus9999 ok. if you can manage to look young. then you can still stretch it out for a few more years. But still, if most young women find out you're 12+ years older, they would be less likely to want to date you. There are some young women who do like daddies but most of us don't. My max is 34 even if he does manage to look young.
@nelly83 dear, 25, for me is to much of a baby... you are like russian roulette for me... you can be straight today and lesbian tomorrow (not talking about you but your age group), so That's why i look more defined beings, like around the 30's, any way for me a good difference is between 8 to 4 years down... never up.
Please do not do botox. Honestly the two remedies to avoiding that. Drinking a lot of water, not bathing in the sun (ie: at the beach), massing the face, eating healthy and even limiting smiling really hard. These might seem a bit absurd but eh I heard it works. People will get wrinkles as they age but look at someone like actor Paul Rudd whos already 50 I believe and compare that to Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr who’s also in his 50s.
Probably because they've spent their whole lives believing in superficial things and they've never known what true love is. So their entire identity is wrapped up in their "beauty" (which isn't really beauty at all.)
women love double standards. they expect men to accept if he not tall, he's not attractive in a masculine way. But they force men to accept all women as beautiful "because you are supposed to be nice". and not stick up for yourself, your brother, or your friend.
Well I'm 28 soon.. I always said in my teens I would welcome age and be excited but recently with my grey hairs growing in constantly having to dye it, my skin is aging poorly. I do feel self conscious. I wish I didn't but I just do and my husband has a hot young new girlfriend so lol that helps. Don't know what to say 🤣🤷♀️
I think for me the struggle is that in my early mid 20's I didn't give a shit but now that I do it's too late and the damage has been done to my body from drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating poorly and no exercise. It's definitely harder the older you get to lose weight as well so it just really sucks. I would go back in time and tell my younger self to take better care of my body.
You are 28 still young and have more than have of your life ahead of you. Don't make a man cheating on you on a younger woman define nor men online. In real life we men and women mean more than the flesh we carry. And no it is not too late. The only way it is too late is when your doctor tells you that. Losing hope and stop trying will only make things worse.
Be kind to yourself young lady. Don't be your worst enemy and definitely don't listen to crap about 'hitting the wall'. That's stupid and only exist online. I know many women who married late and who had children late. I know my community and reality. I myself never felt crazy about both these things and I don't get what random people say affect me. If someone wants to date younger or older it is upto them it doesn't impact me personally in any way.
Your mental health and happiness is more important and would reflect on your physical health that's all I'm saying. We all grow older and that's only natural.
@mindNsoul I agree except with having children late, that in my opinion is selfish because the risk of birth defects gets exponentially higher the more you age.
@Asker read the numbers right the difference in percentage changes is still minimal and the chances of a healthier child are very high in this day and age. That's in terms of statistics. remember an increase from 0.5 to 1 percent can still raise panic when you report it as 100% increase in risk. My advice is to go check the actual raw data collected in the original studies and also while you at it check the dates and type of women these studies were conducted on. That's better than just echoing what others say. plus many newer studies debunked those older ones with advanced medicine and healthier women in their forties than a century ago.
Newer firtility studiesin both the US and UK by the way shows that 50% of couples unable to have babies are caused by male factors and not females.
In my own family many women had kids in their forties and the kids are healthy, loved and happy. My own mom did. And both of my baby sisters are very blessed in their lives. My mum doesn't look old at all and I know my family is just lucky with the genetics. Including me. I don't mind aging because it is natural. I don't inject my face with anything and if a man is so obsessed with being with someone young than why should that bother me. He is shallow and I'm not into shallow people. Simple as that.
I am attracted to intelligence, character and humor. And from what I see men still approach me and tbh surprisingly younger men do more. For three years now I mainly get approached by younger men. I don't date younger that's just my rule. And the youngest I talked to was three years younger. It is just a preference. In real life intelligent men do approach women regardless of age. Plus every man can't be attracted to me like I can't be attracted to all of you guys. It is just life. One compatible person is all what everyone need so why stress about what everyone out in the world thinks 🤷♀️
Hit the gym, go to therapy. use sunscreen or whatever make up with it, get your vitamins to an optimal level, eat healthy. And most important love yourself. 28 you are very young. plus, and please take this seriously... avoid the sun.
@asker Asian women have a gene in their skin which literally makes sure that they don't wrinkle as fast with time than their white fair skinned counterparts. African and south Asians tend to age well too, just not as well as Asians do. white people have the most evident aging out of the ethnic groups.
East asains age faster than darker blacks still cause melanin content is higher making the skin thicker either way were vampires and don't need to worry about losing attractiveness like whites do at 27
@OpinionOwner east Asians actually do not have the gene to make them generate wrinkles like everyone else does. it's a genetic mystery and no one quite knows how it happened. while melanin does slow down aging, not having the gene for proper skin aging is even more effective at pushing back wrinkles.
nah i'm south Asian, i'm not part of the east Asian community which lacks the wrinkle gene. yes they do wrinkle, but due to the absence of the gene they wrinkle much later. it's why an Asian woman in her 30s can still look like she's in her early 20s while a white person can't.
Actually all groups show signs of aging and people within them can identify them. We are bombarded with European signs of aging, but all groups have them. Most groups actually do wrinkle, but lighter skinned individuals show it more as the contrast is more visible. Two big indicators across all groups are vocal changes and skin thickness. Everyone talks about European signs of aging, but the biggest indicator with us is the wrinkles. Some hold hair color to the end. Asians still get liver spots and vocal changes. Genetics are definitely involved, but you still find European individuals with limited wrinkling and lots of sun. I expect to wrinkle, but my mother has limited wrinkling at 60 and she spends time fishing in the summer, probably her Baltic Genes. Every group can still identify signs, just some are more apparent.
Asker, Talking about genetics and group trends peaks my interest. You don't have to make it weird or racist. I study genetics and apply that to biological research. If you didn't like what I said you should have just said that instead of being rude. Please point to an error in what I said.
@Gravit1 that is true. what i'm trying to say is different groups age differently, and since the european beauty standard is now universal, ethnic people tend to look more "beautiful" than a white person the same age, since the standard of beauty doesn't affect them that way. in their youth, white people are regarded as more attractive due to these eurocentric beauty standards, however with age they tend to look less and less attractive compared to their ethnic counterparts due to the loss of beauty centered around wrinkles. I don't know if that makes sense, but thank you for your response :)
@___nik You mostly pointed out the reality, but it's not some much matching the standard when young and not so when old. It is more that women throughout the world want to appear young as they feel that is the standard, their desire, and purpose. Of course their humanity is much more valuable, especially to God, but women the world over still strive for youth. Most European individuals target wrinkles mainly, but every woman has a routine no matter what her ethnicity. I know Asian, African American, and Hispanic women that all have routines.
@___nik Everyone throws around the term Caucasian, but all it means is someone (believed) to have descended from the Caucasus mountains. This includes Indians, Northern Africans, Arabians, and Europeans from that belief. Four very unique groups. I agree with you that the media and beauty standards are more Eurocentric, but I've even seen East Asian woman attack the appearance of other East Asian women over age. Woman hen peck over appearance regardless of ethnicity.
The truth is coloured people don't have any routine its just simply genetics having routine is good but even whites who do retinol still will always look older. Come to Europe and you will see this especially they all peak at teenage hood but look 40 in 20s I've gotten white older women approach me and think I'm 14 when I'm 20 and say oh wow you will look young when you become our age. Its a trend here to get botox to prevent wrinkling in 20s. Also society as whole especially west have issue with ageing women more than men a very unrealistic standard when put on white women
Every woman has a routine, You may call it your skin care routine, but that's exactly what it is. All women start to loose skin circulation with age. I can identify the signs of aging in all women because I know what I'm looking for. Some fair skinned individuals don't get wrinkles, but as some wise users pointed out it's genetics, environment, and diet that make a difference. I work out in the sun and don't wear sunblock, I have really good circulation however and eat a skin conscious diet. I expect to wrinkle and don't care. However my mother is 60 and looks like her 40s. She spends hours in her garden and fishing, I don't think I'll be so lucky, but as a male wrinkles are often treated as distinguishing. Personally, I welcome age as it implies I'm closer to leaving this world. I could probably tell your age from other factors. You are lying when you claim that people of non European descent do not have a routine. Maybe you personally, but billions of dollars of international cosmetics, diet books, and practices say otherwise. The women that are so compelled to look younger are nice, but a rare find.
Those whites you talk of are either mixed slightly with asain/native American/black and have money like shakira but even then its a slight delay. Its impossible for pure 100% white dna person to not age faster than a coloured no amount of diet, skin routine or environment can reverse that fact its dna thats why they invented sunscreen and their is a lot of science to back it. Of course even for men its better to look young but theirs not as much pressure. If it really worked no one would age at all but no one can be helped by their genetics in the end of the day. Facts of life are just facts of life we all look different for a reason coloured people evolved to resist the intense sun and get darker naturally towards the equator while whites the opposite. As a result of modern day inventions the suns harmful rays come in more causing discovery that they cause number one increased aging of course whites are not as built for that so enjoy your youth while it lasts.
Not so, different regions of Europe has different qualities from diets, lifestyles, and genetics. No one evolved from anything, but it it is true more melanin offers more sun protection. The environment does impact gene expression, but it is not the only factor. European individuals produce more vitamin D so we all have trade offs. There is no such thing as "white" DNA, so grow up. All wrinkle to some degree, but Europeans have more contrast. Also non Europeans tend to produce less melanin as they age leading to more contrast and wrinkling. Asians, Africans, Hispanics, and all other groups still get laugh lines and stress lines. Middle eastern women tend to use more make up to conceal age. Different women use different methods, but all women have methods. I mainly pay attention to moles, skin thickness, skin tone, and voices,. These indicators work on all women. Non Europeans start to get thinner skin around the same time as Europeans. They also start to produce less melanin. Everyone's voice changes with age, so I know the signs. I have a lot of friends 60+, so you learn things and they tell me things. All people age, there's just different signs. Asians tend to get more osteoporosis, liver spots, and thinner skin like most. Everyone ages, there's just different signs.
Europeans already have thinner skin. There skin is white because it wants to receive more sun. White skin is like a sponge for light rays. Not only is your skin almost devoid of melanin so is your hair and eyes even the shape of your features is to do with altitude. This is all so you produce vitamin D while coloured have thicker melanin rich skin as a block of overdosing light rays since enough of sun is made in hot countries to make vitamin D. Its evolution. How else are Europeans supposed to survive in cold climates with little sun for centuries? And so you wrinkle its not some "contrast" or something its your skin being paper thin and super absorbant of increased light rays. A 50 year old white does not look like a 50 year black and thats just reality. Also dna in every cell in melanin rich bodies also age slower because of protective qualities its even shown in teleomere damage, as cells divide more as someone ages its been shown whites have more damage than black which is a sign of cells not dividing as well hence age of organism is much faster. Even if we say physical age, biological age of coloured people is always younger. What im trying to tell you is you have not evolved these things at all just like I haven't evolved colourful hair/eye colour for a reason. There is no point playing the all humans card because we all look different so age different rates therfore evolved diffrent to fit our native climates.
Even if you 'add' things on our face, every cell inside is still aging at a more or less rapid pace which is only reduced by genes with anti aging side effects. Also coloured people especially dark-skinned ones don't get any 'lines' anywhere unless their nearing their death bed while european get this as young as 22. Plus what is wrong with saying white dna? White dna = european dna, in this case im talking about something in common they all have not focusing on feature difference like Northern nordics and Eastern Europeans looks. Even me im cushitic east African but I share skin tones with west African blacks but no facial features? . Your whole aging argument is down to 'contrast' which is ridiculous thats like saying 'maybe if I was painted white it would be obvious' but thats not how it works
Bull crap, everyone gets stress lines. Now your living in fantasy land. Wrinkles are actually very common to for non-European genetics as well, it is a matter of contrast. You are totally speaking out of ignorance. Everyone's skin will lose melanin and get thinner. Wrinkles are caused by thin skin an the visible shadows over creases. When the skin tone matches those shadows the wrinkles are less visible. Some individuals keep the elasticity and thickness of their skin, but will eventually lose both. All people experience this, but at different times. There are no white or black people genetically, there are only different levels of melanin production and that is completely variable throughout the world. My argument isn't relegated to contrast either. Though contrast covers individuals from most of the world. There still is a small percentage that appear to age slower within their own populations. That is actually experienced everywhere. Even outside of contrast I can point out other signs of aging, like skin thickness, skin lightness, liver spots, moles, etc. These types of changes show up in all groups. They have already begun in you. Everyone is subject to change, we just experience different ones.
So when its convenient for europeans like you you like to play that 'were all the same' 'I see no colour card' newsflash were entirely different there's facts behind our different appearances. You just ignored all the OBJECTIVE FACTS I stated and went ranting about your SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE hardly any hard science backing you. So what if melanin does decrease you lot dont have much melanin to even begin with im not denying aging just that none of us age like you Europeans we look miles younger than you at any stage in life side by side. That's just facts. I don't want to generalise but whites like you need to stop the trend of taking features or things from coloured people and then pretending its yours or then in same note going out of your way and trying to force it down every populations throats who frankly couldn't give a crap or invite yourself on their turf to tell them your human beauty standard its entitled haughty and insecure little man energy and based on no scientific evidence. If i was God id be embarrassed watching some groups of human. Everyone has superior genes and some not in every human group we are no diffrent than those animals of one species can we just embrace our biological realities and love the uniqueness of humans on other side of the planet with respect? Its not fucking hard facts don't care about your feelings.
What I was saying is even lighter skin is already seen as old. Some reasons are to that old people tend to spend more time indoors as well so that can shift things. However, it is part of the aging process. Americans eat a lot of garbage and that doesn't help things either. When people naively, ignorantly, and or racistly call things "a white people thing". It needs to be addressed. Genetically there is no "white". So then you look at the genes that regulate melanin production. We all have them. There are two main pigments. One is more of a slightly reddish tan, the other a dark brown. The balance between these determines skin color. Also things you eat can affect skin color, more beta carotene can lead to yellowing of the skin. Some medicines can cause blue skin as well. Calling people white without considering their background is racist. Just like calling a person yellow, red, or black. Everyone has different history and traits. Some wrinkle more and others less, but whether you do or don't you will age. Rich westerners are even more obsessed with it, because they worship materialism and their own image, but we are all headed for death. People want to look and feel young, so they'll forget that they are dying. That is the bigger picture here. The strive for youth is only a symptom.
Well I'll give you this, your extremely intelligent considering were the same age, what you speak of are outliers though I was speaking in general terms also I dont think the world is ready for in depth conversation about the differences within "races" themselves even though I'm not blind to them at all. I have moments when generalisation of a whole race also bothers me but that's just detail. We live in a world were we speak in genrals or rigid views of race and although generally accurate most conversations don't get deeper than that.
I'm not all that intelligent, I'm aware of some things, but more can always be learned. I find the discussion interesting and you brought up some points worth considering, especially about perception. Perception isn't everything, but affects one's world view. I believe in the Soul and that all are equal in value, but our casing is apparently different, but biologically it does work the same. Looking at genetics just how much we are all alike is abundantly clear. The extremes are under 50 generations difference, but most are even closer. If you look at a Genetic map of the world it is consistent with the Biblical account of people spreading from the Middle East. Whether you follow the Biblical account or not, we all have a shared origin and are all human. Depending on your blood type we could share blood or even organs. I believe people were design to work together, but that can only be accomplished by shared beliefs and looking past meaningless differences.
A lot of women feel that their value in society comes from their physical beauty. Imagine waking up one day and realizing that you're losing your value and that there is very little you can do about it.
@Shuttlebus78 I disagree with that analysis. Many men feel that society values them more as they earn more money, age and mature. Women's insecurities come from marketing and competing with other women.
@Shuttlebus78 MGTOW and RedPill people tend to be the frustrated outlier of men who feel they've been wronged by women. I don't think it's fair to say that those people are the norm.
I think Jennifer Lopez look great for a woman over 50 but she is also a millionaire so she can afford products to help with her appearance that many non rich woman might not be able
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That's my point. She still looks horrible with the surgery, high quality food and medical care.
Yes, I have seen other female celebrities I think are more pretty than her but based on non famous women over 50 I think she looks better than most I have seen and is at least physically fitter.
no the difference is if a guy balds, actual masculine men don't let it bother them or make it work for them by growing a beard or something. And that's what is attractive, the confidence they show even through losing their hair. Can guarantee, lesser men have tried to bring them down over it and they just shrug it off.
@Silver158 Depending when you fully grow a beard actually impacts balding. The same testosterone that forms the beard causes balding to start. So it's kind of a trade off. Generally earlier beards lead to earlier balding. That is why so many bearded individuals rock the bald look.
@Silver158 Typically full beards, but as most men grow beards, most bald. Some grow a very late beard and keep a whole head of hair. Not fair, but what can you do?
Something g I’ve noticed- men who are in their 30s and older who fear aging start lashing out at whoever they can do they feel better about themselves. Losers love to hurt people.
Btw- the lowest form of man is the one who generalized and picks on those weaker than them like women. Just because Hollywood says it’s true doesn’t mean it is. We are finding more and more everyday that aging effects all about the same way. Depends on how you care for yourself. Yes you dear aging. It’s very clear too. Women deserve better than you.
I think men hit the wall around the same age. They try to make women feel bad about it. They also have a harder time getting it up. I think it’s horrid that people devalue people as they get older.
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You don't understand what I've been saying. Yes men age, but it doesn't matter near as much because physical attractiveness isn't as paramount for men as it is for women. The concept of "the wall" doesn't really exist for guys. Aging =/= the wall
It's because most men won't let women hit the wall gracefully. A lot of men tend to get critical of woman when they get older. Especially if she has children. Her body changes for ever.
I think women can age gracefully but just be in shape and drink a lot of water. Avoid caking on make up. Don’t stress yourself out with a mind numbing career just for the sake of money.
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There's so many dickheads on this website. Seriously. Both Men and Women.
Everyone needs to chill. People go worse looking as they get older? Yeah... everyone does. So what? Haha.
There's caveats that are real though. Obviously everyone ages but white people, Asians, fair skinned Latin people age quicker than dark skinned people due to melanin obviously. And women are judged by their look much more so than men, it matters way more for them when they lose their looks.
Everyone loses their looks as they got older. Not just women. Examples of people aging better or worse, are small numbers.
There are shallow people, and there are unshallow people.
Biology disagrees with you. The darker your skin, the more thicker it is. Which means the cells (melanocyte$) are more densely compact which translates to reduced signs of aging.
Why dont men accept it either? I've seen lots of colleagues dying their hair and going on liposuction and all that. It's not only women but if we do to a higher degree it's because society is often so hard in us. If we are fat, think, old, young, etc..
Liposuction means weight problems, you can always lose that if you aren't a lazy pig, that's not hitting the wall. And I can't really consider going gray hitting the wall, there's plenty of gray haired men banging young attractive women; women are the ones who came up with the idea of a "silver fox".
@Asker Unless you are a rich old man willing to pay for the young lady. then she's not gonna bang you at all. We, young women, are not attracted to erectile dysfunction, wrinkles, sagginess, or weight gain. Old guys pay for sex, that hot young men get for free.
Yeah keep pretending men aging is sexy while women aging is bad.. gaining weight comes with age, not sexy at all for both
@nelly83 That's EXACTLY my point, through means of status, wealth, fame etc... the wall doesn't exist for men. While the reverse is not true, none of those things attract men to women.
@nelly83 Also stop being dramatic and going to the extreme to try and prove a point. Nobody is talking about 60 year old men in post mid life crises trying to date a 20 year old.
Actually. You look younger when you lose weight. Being overweight actually makes you look older.
Men don’t have a wall. Sure looks are the first to go but men gain in value as they age because of their wealth where as women’s wealth comes early and degraded over time. The question is can these women substitute the wealth their beauty affords them with the wealth a relationship or a life goal gets them before their values gone.
It’s easy getting a man and hanging a family when your a hot 20 something in your prime... what about when your 40 and have saggy tits? The only men available to you are the men that failed up till then or the widowed/divorced. If you don’t build a relationship with a good man by then you’ll have it harder... also men looking for women generally want kids... men can have kids until they die women have a hard walk that just ends and desire I have to be with them. Kids are the only reason I was a women so without that I’m not in.
@VanillaSalt Men definitely do have a wall. Most guys hit the wall by 34-35. After that age, they usually start gaining weight. Their looks just fade. The rare occasions where old men can get girlfriends 20 years younger than them is because he paid her a large sum of money. She doesn't actually want to be with him.
If he were the average old guy, no young lady would ever pay him any attention. Unless if he's willing to pay
@Asker I think you have been living under a rock. I have never found old guys to be attractive. How often do you see 20 yr olds dating 45 yr olds? pretty much never. Overwhelming majority of us young folks typically date young folks. Older folks always date older folks.
And tell me what’s the rate of divorce for you younger people? You always get attracted to jerks and good looking folks. You never make good choices and pick the guy that’s got his shit together... rate of divorce is over 50% and more and more young people not even getting married. And if you actually look for them more and more mid 30s women are on YouTube. Lookup where have all the men gone. Fact is you women have nothing to offer us anymore besides sex. Your five sex for free to jerks that will pump and dump and sell it on only fans to the incels. Guys with value refuse to settle for women that are rude, competitive, masculine, and can’t or refuse to have their kids. If you won’t bring what we want to the table men will take what they can get without giving you what you want. A few kind words and a meals all it takes to get you in the sheets these days. It’s honestly disgusting.
@VanillaSalt I don't date guys over 32/33 cuz thats usually the end of a man's prime. If he's any older, you will start seeing weight gain and looks fading year by year. By the time he's 40, his looks are usually entirely gone.
And what will you do when your 35 and all men look like that? What will you have left? Your winning personality that’s failed to keep a man in your bed longer than a few months?
@VanillaSalt If you're old and ugly , you would have no other choice but fuck other old and ugly people. But I'm really not worried about being single for life. As long as I have a child, I'll be happy. Romance is overrated. People are too selfish to understand what love really is about nowadays.
@VanillaSalt but as of right now, i won't date guys im not attracted to. I'm too young to be dating an old fat uncle.
@nelly83 I see what you're doing lol. I'm gonna disengage, I didn't post this question for passive aggressive beefing.
@nelly83 I ma 38 and in my prime... as I am sure many women to. What i've saw, is that is that culture have become quite rigid. For me the only thing that push me to look for younger woman are... most of my age are already divorced and with kids... I want my own kids to, I want my first ( and hope no divorce), be also her first marriage. I personally do not believe is a real wall, but I have my plans and I have to maximise the chances to be able to make it happen.
@Asker I think your question is passive aggressive too.
@locutus9999 Its understandable how you would want a woman with no baggage. But I'll need to be honest with you, time is not in your favor. The older you get, the uglier you will get. And of course most of us young women are not looking for an old man for a husband to spend the rest of our lives with. Nobody likes old. And also there is also the factor of life stage incompatibility. If your wife is 45 and you are 60, its only a matter of time before the marriage starts falling apart. Women don't marry to become nannies, they want to be wives.
@nelly83 I have very good genetic, still get confuse for an early 30's (baby face, abundant hair, no age marks), my ex have 32, I hang out still with some 28s, 29s, 30's. no problem. I got that from my mom... she looks very young till now. I may say, that in general you are right, and that's ok, but not my case.
@locutus9999 ok. if you can manage to look young. then you can still stretch it out for a few more years. But still, if most young women find out you're 12+ years older, they would be less likely to want to date you. There are some young women who do like daddies but most of us don't. My max is 34 even if he does manage to look young.
@nelly83 dear, 25, for me is to much of a baby... you are like russian roulette for me... you can be straight today and lesbian tomorrow (not talking about you but your age group), so That's why i look more defined beings, like around the 30's, any way for me a good difference is between 8 to 4 years down... never up.
@locutus9999 you actually sound like a decent guy. Most of the perverts on here are 46 yr old men trying to go after 20 yr old girls.
@nelly83 agree!
Once I see I start gaining some wrinkle I’ll get some natural looking Botox🤷🏻♀️ It’ll make me feel pretty at that age I’m sure
Please do not do botox. Honestly the two remedies to avoiding that. Drinking a lot of water, not bathing in the sun (ie: at the beach), massing the face, eating healthy and even limiting smiling really hard. These might seem a bit absurd but eh I heard it works. People will get wrinkles as they age but look at someone like actor Paul Rudd whos already 50 I believe and compare that to Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr who’s also in his 50s.
I don’t mean mild wrinkles I mean like heavy deep wrinkles. I already do all those things so hope they pay off
Probably because they've spent their whole lives believing in superficial things and they've never known what true love is. So their entire identity is wrapped up in their "beauty" (which isn't really beauty at all.)
Go to any MGTOW or Red Pill forum. You will see why women feel about natural aging.
Why would I want to go to any of those forums?
women love double standards. they expect men to accept if he not tall, he's not attractive in a masculine way. But they force men to accept all women as beautiful "because you are supposed to be nice". and not stick up for yourself, your brother, or your friend.
Ignore the bitch that down voted you... remember what does your on lol
Site... damn phone
Well I'm 28 soon.. I always said in my teens I would welcome age and be excited but recently with my grey hairs growing in constantly having to dye it, my skin is aging poorly. I do feel self conscious. I wish I didn't but I just do and my husband has a hot young new girlfriend so lol that helps. Don't know what to say 🤣🤷♀️
Do you sleep well, diet and exercise?
No, no and no. Up until the last few months I've began to finally care about myself.
Well there is your answer
I think for me the struggle is that in my early mid 20's I didn't give a shit but now that I do it's too late and the damage has been done to my body from drugs, alcohol, smoking, eating poorly and no exercise. It's definitely harder the older you get to lose weight as well so it just really sucks. I would go back in time and tell my younger self to take better care of my body.
You are 28 still young and have more than have of your life ahead of you. Don't make a man cheating on you on a younger woman define nor men online. In real life we men and women mean more than the flesh we carry. And no it is not too late. The only way it is too late is when your doctor tells you that. Losing hope and stop trying will only make things worse.
Be kind to yourself young lady. Don't be your worst enemy and definitely don't listen to crap about 'hitting the wall'. That's stupid and only exist online. I know many women who married late and who had children late. I know my community and reality. I myself never felt crazy about both these things and I don't get what random people say affect me. If someone wants to date younger or older it is upto them it doesn't impact me personally in any way.
Your mental health and happiness is more important and would reflect on your physical health that's all I'm saying. We all grow older and that's only natural.
@mindNsoul I agree except with having children late, that in my opinion is selfish because the risk of birth defects gets exponentially higher the more you age.
@Asker read the numbers right the difference in percentage changes is still minimal and the chances of a healthier child are very high in this day and age. That's in terms of statistics. remember an increase from 0.5 to 1 percent can still raise panic when you report it as 100% increase in risk. My advice is to go check the actual raw data collected in the original studies and also while you at it check the dates and type of women these studies were conducted on. That's better than just echoing what others say. plus many newer studies debunked those older ones with advanced medicine and healthier women in their forties than a century ago.
Newer firtility studiesin both the US and UK by the way shows that 50% of couples unable to have babies are caused by male factors and not females.
In my own family many women had kids in their forties and the kids are healthy, loved and happy. My own mom did. And both of my baby sisters are very blessed in their lives. My mum doesn't look old at all and I know my family is just lucky with the genetics. Including me. I don't mind aging because it is natural. I don't inject my face with anything and if a man is so obsessed with being with someone young than why should that bother me. He is shallow and I'm not into shallow people. Simple as that.
I am attracted to intelligence, character and humor. And from what I see men still approach me and tbh surprisingly younger men do more. For three years now I mainly get approached by younger men. I don't date younger that's just my rule. And the youngest I talked to was three years younger. It is just a preference. In real life intelligent men do approach women regardless of age. Plus every man can't be attracted to me like I can't be attracted to all of you guys. It is just life. One compatible person is all what everyone need so why stress about what everyone out in the world thinks 🤷♀️
Hit the gym, go to therapy. use sunscreen or whatever make up with it, get your vitamins to an optimal level, eat healthy. And most important love yourself. 28 you are very young. plus, and please take this seriously... avoid the sun.
I think this a white people thing because my mum and her friends look my age and people think were sisters no wrinkles and are pushing 50
Yes. Weaker melanin affects fair skinned races way more. It does happen to black woman though, just much later
They must be mixed with white or African American because people from my ethnic group don't show age in the face till 80.
Doubt it but ok
@asker Asian women have a gene in their skin which literally makes sure that they don't wrinkle as fast with time than their white fair skinned counterparts. African and south Asians tend to age well too, just not as well as Asians do. white people have the most evident aging out of the ethnic groups.
East asains age faster than darker blacks still cause melanin content is higher making the skin thicker either way were vampires and don't need to worry about losing attractiveness like whites do at 27
@OpinionOwner east Asians actually do not have the gene to make them generate wrinkles like everyone else does. it's a genetic mystery and no one quite knows how it happened. while melanin does slow down aging, not having the gene for proper skin aging is even more effective at pushing back wrinkles.
I've seen asains that wrinkle though. Are you Asian?
nah i'm south Asian, i'm not part of the east Asian community which lacks the wrinkle gene. yes they do wrinkle, but due to the absence of the gene they wrinkle much later. it's why an Asian woman in her 30s can still look like she's in her early 20s while a white person can't.
Actually all groups show signs of aging and people within them can identify them. We are bombarded with European signs of aging, but all groups have them. Most groups actually do wrinkle, but lighter skinned individuals show it more as the contrast is more visible. Two big indicators across all groups are vocal changes and skin thickness. Everyone talks about European signs of aging, but the biggest indicator with us is the wrinkles. Some hold hair color to the end. Asians still get liver spots and vocal changes. Genetics are definitely involved, but you still find European individuals with limited wrinkling and lots of sun. I expect to wrinkle, but my mother has limited wrinkling at 60 and she spends time fishing in the summer, probably her Baltic Genes. Every group can still identify signs, just some are more apparent.
@Gravit1 Here comes the white person who just has to feel included in everything.
Asker, Talking about genetics and group trends peaks my interest. You don't have to make it weird or racist. I study genetics and apply that to biological research. If you didn't like what I said you should have just said that instead of being rude. Please point to an error in what I said.
*piques
@Gravit1 that is true. what i'm trying to say is different groups age differently, and since the european beauty standard is now universal, ethnic people tend to look more "beautiful" than a white person the same age, since the standard of beauty doesn't affect them that way. in their youth, white people are regarded as more attractive due to these eurocentric beauty standards, however with age they tend to look less and less attractive compared to their ethnic counterparts due to the loss of beauty centered around wrinkles.
I don't know if that makes sense, but thank you for your response :)
@___nik You mostly pointed out the reality, but it's not some much matching the standard when young and not so when old. It is more that women throughout the world want to appear young as they feel that is the standard, their desire, and purpose. Of course their humanity is much more valuable, especially to God, but women the world over still strive for youth. Most European individuals target wrinkles mainly, but every woman has a routine no matter what her ethnicity. I know Asian, African American, and Hispanic women that all have routines.
@Gravit1 true! what i'm saying is that due to the eurocentric beauty standard, caucasian women tend to have it the worst with age.
@___nik Everyone throws around the term Caucasian, but all it means is someone (believed) to have descended from the Caucasus mountains. This includes Indians, Northern Africans, Arabians, and Europeans from that belief. Four very unique groups. I agree with you that the media and beauty standards are more Eurocentric, but I've even seen East Asian woman attack the appearance of other East Asian women over age. Woman hen peck over appearance regardless of ethnicity.
The truth is coloured people don't have any routine its just simply genetics having routine is good but even whites who do retinol still will always look older. Come to Europe and you will see this especially they all peak at teenage hood but look 40 in 20s I've gotten white older women approach me and think I'm 14 when I'm 20 and say oh wow you will look young when you become our age. Its a trend here to get botox to prevent wrinkling in 20s. Also society as whole especially west have issue with ageing women more than men a very unrealistic standard when put on white women
Every woman has a routine, You may call it your skin care routine, but that's exactly what it is. All women start to loose skin circulation with age. I can identify the signs of aging in all women because I know what I'm looking for. Some fair skinned individuals don't get wrinkles, but as some wise users pointed out it's genetics, environment, and diet that make a difference. I work out in the sun and don't wear sunblock, I have really good circulation however and eat a skin conscious diet. I expect to wrinkle and don't care. However my mother is 60 and looks like her 40s. She spends hours in her garden and fishing, I don't think I'll be so lucky, but as a male wrinkles are often treated as distinguishing. Personally, I welcome age as it implies I'm closer to leaving this world. I could probably tell your age from other factors. You are lying when you claim that people of non European descent do not have a routine. Maybe you personally, but billions of dollars of international cosmetics, diet books, and practices say otherwise. The women that are so compelled to look younger are nice, but a rare find.
Those whites you talk of are either mixed slightly with asain/native American/black and have money like shakira but even then its a slight delay. Its impossible for pure 100% white dna person to not age faster than a coloured no amount of diet, skin routine or environment can reverse that fact its dna thats why they invented sunscreen and their is a lot of science to back it. Of course even for men its better to look young but theirs not as much pressure. If it really worked no one would age at all but no one can be helped by their genetics in the end of the day. Facts of life are just facts of life we all look different for a reason coloured people evolved to resist the intense sun and get darker naturally towards the equator while whites the opposite. As a result of modern day inventions the suns harmful rays come in more causing discovery that they cause number one increased aging of course whites are not as built for that so enjoy your youth while it lasts.
Not so, different regions of Europe has different qualities from diets, lifestyles, and genetics. No one evolved from anything, but it it is true more melanin offers more sun protection. The environment does impact gene expression, but it is not the only factor. European individuals produce more vitamin D so we all have trade offs. There is no such thing as "white" DNA, so grow up. All wrinkle to some degree, but Europeans have more contrast. Also non Europeans tend to produce less melanin as they age leading to more contrast and wrinkling. Asians, Africans, Hispanics, and all other groups still get laugh lines and stress lines. Middle eastern women tend to use more make up to conceal age. Different women use different methods, but all women have methods. I mainly pay attention to moles, skin thickness, skin tone, and voices,. These indicators work on all women. Non Europeans start to get thinner skin around the same time as Europeans. They also start to produce less melanin. Everyone's voice changes with age, so I know the signs. I have a lot of friends 60+, so you learn things and they tell me things. All people age, there's just different signs. Asians tend to get more osteoporosis, liver spots, and thinner skin like most. Everyone ages, there's just different signs.
Europeans already have thinner skin. There skin is white because it wants to receive more sun. White skin is like a sponge for light rays. Not only is your skin almost devoid of melanin so is your hair and eyes even the shape of your features is to do with altitude. This is all so you produce vitamin D while coloured have thicker melanin rich skin as a block of overdosing light rays since enough of sun is made in hot countries to make vitamin D. Its evolution. How else are Europeans supposed to survive in cold climates with little sun for centuries? And so you wrinkle its not some "contrast" or something its your skin being paper thin and super absorbant of increased light rays. A 50 year old white does not look like a 50 year black and thats just reality. Also dna in every cell in melanin rich bodies also age slower because of protective qualities its even shown in teleomere damage, as cells divide more as someone ages its been shown whites have more damage than black which is a sign of cells not dividing as well hence age of organism is much faster. Even if we say physical age, biological age of coloured people is always younger. What im trying to tell you is you have not evolved these things at all just like I haven't evolved colourful hair/eye colour for a reason. There is no point playing the all humans card because we all look different so age different rates therfore evolved diffrent to fit our native climates.
Even if you 'add' things on our face, every cell inside is still aging at a more or less rapid pace which is only reduced by genes with anti aging side effects. Also coloured people especially dark-skinned ones don't get any 'lines' anywhere unless their nearing their death bed while european get this as young as 22. Plus what is wrong with saying white dna? White dna = european dna, in this case im talking about something in common they all have not focusing on feature difference like Northern nordics and Eastern Europeans looks. Even me im cushitic east African but I share skin tones with west African blacks but no facial features? . Your whole aging argument is down to 'contrast' which is ridiculous thats like saying 'maybe if I was painted white it would be obvious' but thats not how it works
Bull crap, everyone gets stress lines. Now your living in fantasy land. Wrinkles are actually very common to for non-European genetics as well, it is a matter of contrast. You are totally speaking out of ignorance. Everyone's skin will lose melanin and get thinner. Wrinkles are caused by thin skin an the visible shadows over creases. When the skin tone matches those shadows the wrinkles are less visible. Some individuals keep the elasticity and thickness of their skin, but will eventually lose both. All people experience this, but at different times. There are no white or black people genetically, there are only different levels of melanin production and that is completely variable throughout the world. My argument isn't relegated to contrast either. Though contrast covers individuals from most of the world. There still is a small percentage that appear to age slower within their own populations. That is actually experienced everywhere. Even outside of contrast I can point out other signs of aging, like skin thickness, skin lightness, liver spots, moles, etc. These types of changes show up in all groups. They have already begun in you. Everyone is subject to change, we just experience different ones.
So when its convenient for europeans like you you like to play that 'were all the same' 'I see no colour card' newsflash were entirely different there's facts behind our different appearances. You just ignored all the OBJECTIVE FACTS I stated and went ranting about your SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE hardly any hard science backing you. So what if melanin does decrease you lot dont have much melanin to even begin with im not denying aging just that none of us age like you Europeans we look miles younger than you at any stage in life side by side. That's just facts. I don't want to generalise but whites like you need to stop the trend of taking features or things from coloured people and then pretending its yours or then in same note going out of your way and trying to force it down every populations throats who frankly couldn't give a crap or invite yourself on their turf to tell them your human beauty standard its entitled haughty and insecure little man energy and based on no scientific evidence. If i was God id be embarrassed watching some groups of human. Everyone has superior genes and some not in every human group we are no diffrent than those animals of one species can we just embrace our biological realities and love the uniqueness of humans on other side of the planet with respect? Its not fucking hard facts don't care about your feelings.
What I was saying is even lighter skin is already seen as old. Some reasons are to that old people tend to spend more time indoors as well so that can shift things. However, it is part of the aging process. Americans eat a lot of garbage and that doesn't help things either. When people naively, ignorantly, and or racistly call things "a white people thing". It needs to be addressed. Genetically there is no "white". So then you look at the genes that regulate melanin production. We all have them. There are two main pigments. One is more of a slightly reddish tan, the other a dark brown. The balance between these determines skin color. Also things you eat can affect skin color, more beta carotene can lead to yellowing of the skin. Some medicines can cause blue skin as well. Calling people white without considering their background is racist. Just like calling a person yellow, red, or black. Everyone has different history and traits. Some wrinkle more and others less, but whether you do or don't you will age. Rich westerners are even more obsessed with it, because they worship materialism and their own image, but we are all headed for death. People want to look and feel young, so they'll forget that they are dying. That is the bigger picture here. The strive for youth is only a symptom.
Well I'll give you this, your extremely intelligent considering were the same age, what you speak of are outliers though I was speaking in general terms also I dont think the world is ready for in depth conversation about the differences within "races" themselves even though I'm not blind to them at all. I have moments when generalisation of a whole race also bothers me but that's just detail. We live in a world were we speak in genrals or rigid views of race and although generally accurate most conversations don't get deeper than that.
I'm not all that intelligent, I'm aware of some things, but more can always be learned. I find the discussion interesting and you brought up some points worth considering, especially about perception. Perception isn't everything, but affects one's world view. I believe in the Soul and that all are equal in value, but our casing is apparently different, but biologically it does work the same. Looking at genetics just how much we are all alike is abundantly clear. The extremes are under 50 generations difference, but most are even closer. If you look at a Genetic map of the world it is consistent with the Biblical account of people spreading from the Middle East. Whether you follow the Biblical account or not, we all have a shared origin and are all human. Depending on your blood type we could share blood or even organs. I believe people were design to work together, but that can only be accomplished by shared beliefs and looking past meaningless differences.
Gee, a blue anon incel... what a shock!!!
don't worry, your blow-up doll will never age
Just calling someone names doesn't silence them man. I have done nothing incelish this whole question thread. Take off your chain mail there buddy.
A lot of women feel that their value in society comes from their physical beauty. Imagine waking up one day and realizing that you're losing your value and that there is very little you can do about it.
I think women would be more than happy to age if it weren’t for men devaluing them because they are afraid of their own aging.
@Shuttlebus78 I disagree with that analysis. Many men feel that society values them more as they earn more money, age and mature. Women's insecurities come from marketing and competing with other women.
Nope sorry go to any MGTOW or Red Pill forum. That’s all they talk about.
@Shuttlebus78 MGTOW and RedPill people tend to be the frustrated outlier of men who feel they've been wronged by women. I don't think it's fair to say that those people are the norm.
I don’t know. Read some of the comments on here. If it were up to me-we’d all be decent people.
I think Jennifer Lopez look great for a woman over 50 but she is also a millionaire so she can afford products to help with her appearance that many non rich woman might not be able
That's my point. She still looks horrible with the surgery, high quality food and medical care.
I think she looks good well at least better than most other woman I have seen over 50
I can agree with "better than most", not "good" tho.
Yes, I have seen other female celebrities I think are more pretty than her
but based on non famous women over 50 I think she looks better than most I have seen and is at least physically fitter.
when a guy balds, he know his attractive factor is gone yet women skill consider him.
no the difference is if a guy balds, actual masculine men don't let it bother them or make it work for them by growing a beard or something. And that's what is attractive, the confidence they show even through losing their hair. Can guarantee, lesser men have tried to bring them down over it and they just shrug it off.
@Silver158 Depending when you fully grow a beard actually impacts balding. The same testosterone that forms the beard causes balding to start. So it's kind of a trade off. Generally earlier beards lead to earlier balding. That is why so many bearded individuals rock the bald look.
@Gravit1 Guess I'm screwed then. Mine is still patchy lol
@Silver158 Typically full beards, but as most men grow beards, most bald. Some grow a very late beard and keep a whole head of hair. Not fair, but what can you do?
@Gravit1 rogaine?
Honestly I think a lot of it comes down to general good health, self care and a lot of it is genetics.
Maybe cause women don't age gracefully unless they have good genes.
Neither do most men. Stop believing Hollywood. It’s a dying giant.
Something g I’ve noticed- men who are in their 30s and older who fear aging start lashing out at whoever they can do they feel better about themselves. Losers love to hurt people.
@Shuttlebus78
I don't fear aging as I know that my looks will fade as I get into my 50's, 60's, 70's.
Statistically men begin hitting the wall at 35. But keep making it a game abojt how boys are better than girls lol.
Btw- the lowest form of man is the one who generalized and picks on those weaker than them like women. Just because Hollywood says it’s true doesn’t mean it is. We are finding more and more everyday that aging effects all about the same way. Depends on how you care for yourself. Yes you dear aging. It’s very clear too. Women deserve better than you.
It's true, but a skilled cosmetic surgeon can make a difference. For entertainers who are partly paid for their appearance it can make sense.
Honesty I think she looks great, and wdym by your question?
They grow accustomed to being desired, adored, chased, etc. And when age threatens that, they go ape $#@!
So do men. Trust me women spoil good looking men too.
@Shuttlebus78 Im aware. But the question was posed as it relates to women.
I think men hit the wall around the same age. They try to make women feel bad about it. They also have a harder time getting it up. I think it’s horrid that people devalue people as they get older.
You don't understand what I've been saying. Yes men age, but it doesn't matter near as much because physical attractiveness isn't as paramount for men as it is for women. The concept of "the wall" doesn't really exist for guys. Aging =/= the wall
Probably because hitting the wall is violent, and they are not into violence.
It's because most men won't let women hit the wall gracefully. A lot of men tend to get critical of woman when they get older. Especially if she has children. Her body changes for ever.
I think women can age gracefully but just be in shape and drink a lot of water. Avoid caking on make up. Don’t stress yourself out with a mind numbing career just for the sake of money.