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Actually, hyper gamy is a real phenomenon and women desire resources. Women date up. It’s actually perfectly natural for them to do that, it’s as ingrained as men wanting to bang anything that’s female shaped that has a vagina. I mean ‘woman shaped’ as opposed to orange shaped, pear shaped, bowling pin shaped, etc... I digress. Hypergamy is a real thing. So where ever said woman is in life she’s looking for a step up in her man. So if a woman has a degree, successful job making $80k and is a ‘6’ or higher any man that is not successful, educated and making $100k plus is simply invisible to them. Its not that men aren’t around, it’s that they literally cannot see most men, they are unaware men under her level even exist.
This also explains why women give men terrible advice on how to meet women. When women are talking about how to approach women, they don’t have ‘men’ in mind at all. They have the men they feel are out of reach for them in mind. Yes, they want the nice, welcoming, nurturing sensitive qualities to be present in men they consider out of their league. Because a man welcoming a woman that she feels is out of reach would be absolutely delightful. A prince, pop star, famous so and so being nice, kind and romantic to her would be the most validating thing in the world. BUT, if Bob the construction guy, Joe the plumber, Wally the call center worker extended a warm, nice welcoming approach, they tell you to buzz off and then mock you to her friends, because the invisible guy, below her level dared to treat her as an equal and that guy isn’t even in the same conversation as her hypergamous programming tells her. But like a male seed spreading instinct can be reeled in, this too can be controlled by women if they are aware of it and did something about it.
Alas, women don’t need men, they have made that clear. Well they think they don’t, truth is we all need each other a lot more than we think. Good news for men is that newer population stats are indicating that there are more women than men and the chance of women never being married is at its highest level in recorded history. Many women claim they don’t need men, but a hell of a lot of them want men and there aren’t enough men. So women, just by the numbers have a higher chance of dying alone than men. And by the time they figure it out, they are too old for men to risk a marriage with a woman whose only real asset to a marriage is sex. But because women are also looser then they ever have been in history, a man doesn’t need to get married to get sex. The answer is the phenomenon known as hypergamy.
I don’t think so. Not at all. It would be bad news for me if they did, but I’ve never had a problem finding a girlfriend or getting laid.
It’s actually in their nature to want to be with a certain kind of guy over others. Throughout history 80% of women reproduced in comparison to 40% of men, meaning that for most of history the more attractive men were mating with multiple women while the less attractive men didn’t.
The idea of socially enforced monogamy via marriage was really in order to ensure that the bottom 60% of men had a better chance of finding a woman and having children, because that would give those men an incentive to work hard for the betterment of the culture. This created a more stable and healthy culture. As we’ve all seen, frustrated men who don’t get laid and who feel like they have nothing to lose can be dangerous. But what this means is that many women would end up with guys who in the past they would never have naturally chosen, as in they settled.
Since feminism destroyed those old rules and sexually liberated women, the ones who settled divorce their husbands and we’ve returned almost to the state of nature. They’re choosing the way they always did before socially enforced monogamy.
To add to that they (women especially) also encourage men to be effeminate and/or “beta” for lack of a better word. The men who get laid the most are really those who don’t fall for it, it’s the men who do who really struggle.
I see a lot of these guys here posting questions and it really baffles me. Grown men I mean, around my age or older. A younger guy I can forgive because everybody’s an idiot when they’re young, but these guys are still acting like awkward teenagers, and it’s no wonder women think that they’re clowns.
But that’s because they’ve been fed a script to follow by women, society, and other clueless fucks. A script which might have worked in the 50s but no longer does.
That plus the pussification of modern men are the main problems. But good luck to anybody trying to snap any of them out of it, they almost never do and keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Writing off guys like me who have no trouble as being angry misogynists, while listening to women and dumps. It’s like the blind leading the blind.
So you essentially reinforce the shallow bullshit standards where the majority of men are viewed as disgusting filth and then we're just supposed to be fine with that. Fuck that shit.
@GeneticMistake
How much do you think complaining about it changes anything?
Absolutely, I just happened to watch a video where a female dating guide and matchmaker stopped taking women clients. Her issue was women have such unrealistic standards that she couldn’t help them. She would find these great guys and her female clients would regent them for the stupidest things. Only 5”11 nope she wants only 6’ or taller. Even after you explain only 14% of men are. 6’ and taller they still insist. After all dating sites give them hundreds of choices from around the world. Even women that Arnt even rated in the top 50% of thier gender in attractive qualities insist in the top 20% of men. And those 20% know they have all the women chasing them, good luck landing one even if your a 10. Those good guys that wanted marriage are married allready. The top 20 players have it good and know that with them age makes them more desirable not less.
studies show, men’s attractiveness to women is a normal bell curve, almost no ones, and 10s with most women bing around a five. But women’s attractiveness to men rates 80% of men below 4 as attractive partners, and almost none of that attraction is based on physical appearance (unlike guys wo base women’s attractiveness on physical appearance) and only te top 20 jump up to being rated 7 to 10. And as I stated further that shrinks very fast when you demand 6 feet, six figures Salerno and 6 in other areas ,, I meant 6 pack abs you perves.
here is the kicker ladies, what makes you think you are in thier league. Men will date sideways in market value and they will date down. All these educated successful ladies complain, well men don’t really care about your career, and how strong and brave you are, if anything it probably turns guys off more then make women a better catch. But women date as equals or up. So with ladies being the most educated and career minded, successful. See ya. I’m going to the truck pulls with my hot 20 year old fertil waitress. If we wanted to date another strong successful independent partner, well we to, they are called gay. For those of use that like women, sorry you toke the dude road. Men want feminine attractive women that make them feel needed. But don’t worry ladies, when you hit 30 and realize you wasted your most active fertile years on a career and all the good guess are gone leaving the top 20 f boys that absolutely do not want to marry, there will still be lots of cats to adopt.
I feel that, all the time. And I can accept women being extremely shallow, demanding, and entitled with men (it's their choice, after all). But what pisses me off is when they deny it, or they try to deflect criticism by claiming men are the same way (most men aren't, by the way).
Also, it's far less than 10% of men. Legitimately more like 1-5% of men in society. What's worse is, none of these women can live up to these standards themselves, and with simps, cucks, beta males, male feminists, and other pathetic men putting pussy on a pedestal (and believe me, I used to as well in my early twenties), it not only makes these ugly, disgusting, low value women feel entitled to 9's and 10's men, but also promotes trash like OnlyFans and Twitch thots, which exacerbate the problem even worse.
I'm not MGTOW or an MRA or anything, but legitimately, most women nowadays are trash and aren't worth dating. The few who exist that are quality, classy women, are almost never on the market (and good for them; good women deserve equally good men). But there's just not enough decent women anymore to go around. There's maybe, 15% at most, of decent women to go around, and like 45% of good men still left out there. That means two out of three deserving men are probably going to be alone, for the long run.
Even counting all the simps, cucks, and Progressive beta males out there, bringing the numbers down, there are far more decent men who'll stay single indefinitely, than there are enough decent women to go around. That's ridiculously messed up, but as other men have said: "You have to learn to love yourself, since modern women sure as hell won't love you anymore." And this is WAY easier said than done, but I agree.
Fuck that. Women are our other half, solace, comfort, motivation, family, partnership, really nice home-made dinner that she happily bounces while cooking.
Way less than 15% left by my standards its worse than your estimate on men. I could pick from 90% of women in the states as I pleased including all the personality focused ones, rare though that is, and found none that weren't deeply fucked up.
But again fuck that giving up attitude, that is not what men do. I also disagree that 45% of men are decent. They aren't as bad but they are weak, soft witted, uneducated, spineless, pretenders.
I simple took the hunt global and found an amazing wife a mere 5000 thousand miles away. The internet does wonders if you use it right. The best one is already taken but plenty remain. This is merely evolution at work again. The men who solve the problem get to carry on.
I don't know. I don't know what their expectations are because I can’t get dates. Whatever they are they don’t take into consideration men’s ability as I can play instruments, I’m intelligent, strong, many hobbies, make good money, etc. I want to say I wish they would date most men that ask them out then withhold sex until they know a mans worth the relationship because then I can show what I as a man have to offer... But that will never happen.
However I think men’s quality have gone down too. Men don’t even try and impress women much anymore. It’s not worth it we’re the enemy remember. Many men were never taught how to be a man so their even further behind. Their angry, hurt, and confused. These negative emotions lessen their desire to succeed, also people seem to think the point of life is to be happy... no the point of life is to succeed.
Concur, obviously it is the case and quite advanced. It's awkward to say but as the small minority which they are attracted to they are also quite disturbing. They are manipulative, controlling, blatantly deceive you for years to attempt to take advantage of you, completely fake their personalities.
If I act with basic politeness around 35% of the young women at the checkout blatantly start rubbing their legs together masturbating and making sex faces at me. Sounds good? Picture a man jacking off in public when he sees an attractive women and tell me anyone should go near that guy. I'm happily fucking married, buying food for my wife, and they do this. Find some 2nd or third woman with some values, these sluts are sick as fuck.
Yep and those same girls turn around and friendzone and manipulate men they know are desperate for any sort of bond with someone and they lead them on and never give them a chance. They go around acting like all the good men are gone while shallowly rejecting and manipulating others. As long as man hating feminists and shallow materialistic individualism and double standards are allowed to benefit woman in our culture entitled brats will continue to arrogantly look down on "beta men" like they are subhuman trash.
@GeneticMistake But if you allow your self to be betrayed over and over by a predator pretending to be a partner, aren't you trash? If not in value, contribution and potential then trash at defending yourself, the actual women who are left, the infants they are murdering and the exceptional legacy of your forefathers which you are allowing parasitic whores to wipe their ass with?
Maybe that doesn't make a man trash but it surely says nothing good about him or his odds of long term survival much less happiness.
What is there to allow? You simply reject all who don't treat you with the respect that you treat them and share similar potential and love.
The internet is a powerful tool, I found my wife in only a few years of looking.
Ultimately in this life you have only what you take, and get to keep only what you protect. Men don't ask for what we want and it is up to us what is allowed within our domain.
Absolutely. Women expect you to win their attention for the right to pamper and provide for them and if you aren't physically attractive they don't have the "chemistry" and they will never give you a chance. If you pass that point if you're dick isn't much larger than average you'll have to be concerned about her fucking behind your back. If your dick is too small they will reject and mock and humiliate you every time because it somehow means you're a horrible person who isn't actually a man in their eyes like you had any say in the matter. Don't expect them to care about that or consider it while they hypocritically condemn men for body shaming a girl who actually can control their weight by diet and exercise. They blame you and make fun of your curse and then that's the end of it.
More than ten percent of men have partners, so you are exaggerating. In the US, with the high cost of housing and education, and the decline in middle class wages, it has become much more difficult for young adults to become financially secure enough to form families. Fifty years ago a young man could graduate high school, then find a union job that paid enough to buy a modest home, support a family, take an annual road trip to the beach. The job came with health insurance for their family and a define pension plan. Their wife could work or not as she chose.
The problem is that women tend to place too much emphasis on "that spark you have to feel instantly," lacking the patience to, say, talk to a guy who is actually like-minded/compatible and let feelings grow and develop over time. If they don't feel that spark the moment they see you, it's instant friend zone. So you literally have only 30 seconds to wow them with that perfect first impression, and since that's not really enough time for ANYONE to really get to know somebody, anyone who doesn't have superhuman charisma ends up going home hungry.
I think it boils down to how/where they were raised, and personal choice. Dating is very hard for me around where I live because so many people come here in order to never leave the area and have very high expectations. Lots of lawyers, PhD students, government affiliates and hobbies are things like boating 3x a week, weekend getaways (not local, friend if mine are guilty of flying out to places like parts of Canada, Mexico, etc etc for 2 days).
But when you live near DC, things, people and for some reason most everything else gets incredibly expensive and bland.
Nah. That's way too self pitying to feel that way. Isn't that kinda sad to ask women to lower their standards, that's some incel level shit. Like why even identify yourself in the bottom of the pyramid. You should do something to better yourself and not ask women to lower the bar, that's just pitiful. And of course if you ask women, who would you date if you could choose anyone, of course they'd choose only the top 10%, but men would do exactly the same. Don't try to tell me you'd choose average woman over 10/10 if you had the chance. You are making it sound like 90% of men are incels so you'd feel better about yourself, it's more like 10% are incels and 90% do just fine.
I think he's not asking them to lower their standards but to have realistic expectations which is a completely different thing. Not every guy can have the perfect job/genetics/charisma to be in the top 10%. accepting someone with his flows is something that less and less people want to do, specialy women.
And please stop throwing the "incel" word like this, it's not like he's saying that women must die, so he's not having an incel mentality.
@ElBandito Lowering standards and going from unrealistic to realistic expectations is exactly the same thing. And it's not even true that even most women expects perfection, that's just what incels say as an excuse. Incel is someone who cannot get a woman and blames them for it, for example if someone says: "I can't get a woman, because they have too high expectations", that's an incel mentality. Only in extreme cases incels wish them to die.
Yes because women live in a fantasy of romance novels and television and they expect men to live up to those expectations of fantasies.
Well, across the history of humanity, it appears that we have twice as many female as male ancestors. That means, for example, that if throughout history, the average woman gave birth to 3 kids (you'd need a number above 2 to get population growth over time) that something like half of all males had no kids and half fathered 6 kids. So that would seem to suggest that something like half of men are useful for reproduction on average and half are not.
So as a guy, throughout history it generally helps to get your shit together so you can get it on with the ladies!
I actually think it's men who aren't picky enough and not the other way around.
What's wrong with having taste, wanting something actually good looking.
It's not like they owe ugly looking men anything or are somehowe obliged to show interst in them.
And it works both ways (or should at least )
This shallow selfish mindset is what's wrong with society and why these people go and shoot up random people at a concert because society completely condemns them from the second they are born for shit they can't control. People should be judged on things they can control like the content of their character and their work ethic or their selflessness but as long as the status quo only values looks before everything else and they tolerate the toxic arrogance the LUCKY brats display looking down on less attractive people as if they actually earned something this disgusting unfair world will never change.
Nah man your mindset is the one who drives you down this path.
Where eveything is society's fault and never your own.
Who said that how good you look is out of your control? You can litterally cosrumize eveything about your existance, height is the only thing you can't change it's not a compelete deal breaker if the rest of you is on point.
You can workout, eat healthy, get a haircut and a shave, dress nicely and have that character you speak about and you'll be nothing but charm on the streets.
But you keep saying society is condemning me and so that justifies shooting a concert and you're giving that same society little reason to accept you
No just like you mentioned with height, if you have ugly facial features, certain skin conditions, a small dick, or any combination of these no you can't just bust it in the gym and that saves the day. Exercise and staying in physical shape will obviously lead one to become as attractive as they could potentially be but then when girls shallowly reject them still based on "chemistry" (Their shallow predetermination without giving someone a real chance.) Yes when I say this shallow bullshit is unfair and you sit there and you say ugly people aren't owed anything you contradict yourself. Lazy people that are fat can control that aspect of their lives but not everything.
No one is owed anything not just ugly people, this isn't an attack on a specific group this is just a general concept. After all beauty is subjective and not all women want tall guys, even those with a small dick can compensate.
Life is not fair and we're not all born equal some have it easier but everyone has their problems. And still no one is owed anything and whatever you want from life you gotta take for yourself.
No point debating shallow women it's not like they'll just come up to us and say:"sorry I was shallow I wanna sleep with you regardless of how you look" they simply won't and it's our jobs to make ourself the best version we can be so that one day we attract someone that sees our values
I thought so and was super irate at women for a while. But as a bisexual I started dating men recently, thinking that homosexuality was the answer to my problems. And young men are a lot worse than women. I think it's just the entropy and communication difficulty between two people.
100% yes women are too picky. Most of them seem to content to choose a guy based on looks rather than what's in his heart. Men have as much social pressure as women do to look "perfect" but Hollyweird seems to not focus on that at all.
Yes, I think women have incredibly unrealistic standards. Some Studies by a large online dating service found that women only find about 20% of men attractive. This is somewhat more than your reporting but still a ridiculously low percentage.
At GaG, I put up my photo and I was rated a four.
I have never had issues getting women, even beautiful ones. The problem is your self-confidence.
@Juxtapose I am sure "you" would. But we know that GaG does not work that way, nor does American society. You simply can't go off of how society views you. Because you will always be given a fake picture of yourself.
I think anonymous trolls fall for the bait. This causes them to isolate and hang out online. When they need to do the opposite. They need to engage and find groups of people who support and validate them.
I've had mixed reviews online but I am bisexual and the alphabet people community (LGBT) is much nicer to each other thsn straight women are to straight/bi men.
Women online to get a ton of attention from simps so these shy nerds who only ever socialize online only get exposed to the worst of the opposite sex.. and thus their self esteem crashes and they become bitter.
You won't hear me say this very often, but I genuinely think low ratings of you could be due to racial bias.
@Juxtapose I mean, I am "Black". I know what it is like to be "Black" in American society. But I can't let racial biases prevent me from being happy. That's why I feel kind of weird about the "Black" guys here. Some come here and complain that they can't get any "White" puddingtang. Its like er. . . dude. . .
"ya Black".
So deal with it. Get together with other "Black" guys. Build your confidence, self-esteem, find things you are interested in and work to develop yourself.
But I guess a lot of these guys are young and don't understand the deal yet.
Anyway, I am not so worried about the racial angle. The advice is the same for all of these guys who feel left out and passed over. A lot of guys here have these issues.
To All the Men Who Think They Have Been Friendzoned, Passed Over, etc. Here is a Little Advice... ↗
Are they picky? Yes they are.
I feel like when a woman does get a man she's basically settling down. And then when she finds someone better she'll try to trade in and upgrade.
Some are genuinely picky and may have a tough time finding someone. Others are open minded, you just have to build an emotional connection with them first and then their expectations get more flexible.
Of course they do. They have a very inflated self value, and completely unrealistic expectations of men, marriage, and sex. Clueless, in fact. So we have a lot of very unhappy couples.
They have too many opinions. The most useful thing I've been told is to constantly subvert a woman's expectations. Show you're mentally dominant versus physically everytime. And mentally dominant as in balanced and not too Ben Shapiro
Nah, judging by how many idiots, assholes and abusers are in relationships, I'd say that women have quite low standards, on average.
Nah it's just all based on looks and nothing else
Some women do. Most single moms or obese women definitely do.
As a bisexual man I can definitely tell you that women are faaar pickier (and more entitled) than men on average.
Women are not too picky. Big difference between fantasies and reality.
It certainly seems like they have unrealistic expectations
Depends on the girl - some will have higher standards than others.
No. Its the opposite. Women will fuck any joe blow off the street. He can have no job, be fat, and they will fuck him. I wish i could find a highly selective woman.
All I can say a biggest percentage of womem n girls do not know what they really wany or need.
So on a percentage of 10%, only 3% do know what they really want or love.
Seems like chicks go with guys double their age or men with pot bellies. Look at all the sitcoms of the past. Moms are hot, dads are idiots
It really depends on the woman's taste because not all of them are exactly the same.
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