I do appreciate all of ya's. Sorry I couldn't give out more MHO's but I do have some "honorable mentions" below.
@sejla
@Desconhecida
@kim45456
@Liam_Hayden
Ooh I can think of two in particular I see often.
The first is the assumption that once a guy is dating, engaged, married, etc., he will suddenly find all other women unattractive or not as attractive as her (physically that is).
This often comes out when women inadvertently trap theirselves by asking their man “What would you rate me on a scale of 1 to 10?” and then a “What would you rate her on a scale of 1 to 10?” The guy, thinking he’ll be honest, may say “Honey, you’re an 8. I find you really attractive. Regarding that supermodel you mentioned, I’d say she’s a 9. She’s a supermodel— her career is being attractive.” This leads to a pile of insecurity thinking he would leave her for the supermodel if he had a chance. (Honestly, there is no good answer and the guy should just decline to answer and/or should give the “only you’re perfect just for me” response.) Realistically though, he may find the other girl physically attractive, but the love connection isn’t there. He isn’t dating only on looks. The girlfriend may be perfect for him, even if the attractive girl may match his type more.
People think that dating has some magical power to put on blinders, but it simply isn’t true. If a guy’s type is slim 5’8” brunettes, he is going to find slim 5’8” brunettes attractive after dating. Heck, some guys even comment at times mentioning to the girlfriend “oh wow, she was pretty.” Should he have said that? Maybe not. However, saying someone is pretty is not synonymous with “I’d leave you for her.” If it is, there are probably several other issues in the relationship that need to be addressed, and that’s a relationship on the close.
To note, I’m not saying this gives the guy reason or justification to take actions that break the boundaries of a person in a relationship. We are all accountable for the consequences of our actions. I’m merely saying a mental viewpoint of attractiveness does not flip so quickly.
The other unrealistic expectation has to do with women thinking they’ll change the men through dating, marriage, baby, etc., but I feel that has been properly covered by other opinions. Thus, I won’t go into detail with it.
Oh my... this is my segway... LOL
He will 'complete her'
Make her HAPPY
Provide for her
Take care of her
Protect her
buy her stuff
Entertain her
Kiss her ass
Worship her
Do what she says
Forsake all others for her
be her plow horse
Sweep her off her feet
Treat her like the princess she thinks she is
Listen to her
I could go on, but the poor girls have been fed a line of bullshit since they could walk and talk. And feminism is just a giant lie. So with all those unreasonable expectations their romantic life is doomed for failure, for disappointment and frustration.
The vast majority never even once consider what THEY bring to a relationship. Just show up with their golden-vagina and they're, well, golden. LOL
Many actually believe they can FIX a man with their vagina. Like it's some kind of miracle. Like magic.
Oh, thought of a couple of more...
Be 'the one'
Be her 'soul mate'
OMFG :)
When they do consider what they bring, to the table, they often become more petty, their standards often get higher, and their loyalty and/or faithfulness become more frigile, seemingly in direct response.
@Lightning8 - Yep. It's the entitlement mentality. They're just SURE they DESERVE [fill in the blank].
I blame a lot of this on their upbringing - we birthed a whole crop of crappy parents - these are the safe-space kids that can't stand adversity, expect everything to be handed to them, and have been told their entire life how special they are. The truth is, they're just not, they're just like everybody else, and they deserve NOTHING. You get what you get for the effort and work you put in, also JUST like everybody else.
Good question, Coach. There must be several/so many. First ones that come to my mind are:
Women expect men to keep up with their level of talking. It's never going to happen. Even some men, on their best day, are not going to use as many words or want to talk in such detail, the way that women/girls do. It's too much input. It'll drive them crazy. So shorten it up, give just the highlights/important stuff, and don't expect them to remember it all.
If you tell him about a problem you're having, he's going to expect you want suggestions on how to fix it. He doesn't want to hear the entire story. He wants to give you quick, concise, not always thought-out suggestions. And he'll probably get annoyed later, if you didn't apply them. So if that's not what you want, tell him something like, "Just listen. That's all I need/want right now." That's not as easy or instinctive to him, because men are more used to being indepedent and self-sufficient, but if he cares about you, he will do this.
They need alone time. Maybe more than you do. We all need it. And if he doesn't want to spend every waking free minute with you, don't get dejected and automatically revert to thinking that he doesn't want you, doesn't care about you. Insecurity and neediness will only exacerbate it. He wants you (probably), but he also wants to have just a bit of his own autonomy. So give him that, and don't make a big deal out of it. He'll appreciate it, and respect you for it (even if he doesn't say it.)
All good points! Bravo!
I keep seeing women write this "they need alone time" line. Maybe it's just me but I disagree on this. If I love my partner, and she's the type who will listen, empathize, or support me; being with her would count as "alone time". When the world seems to be against me, it's always better to know that someone is there and more than willing to stand by my side (us against the world), rather than leave me alone.
Thanks, Coach.
@Aethereal Yeah, my husband's like that too. I tease him sometimes that he's never lived alone and therefore got any real alone time (but the joke is, "I'm going away for x days, or goona be out for like 8 hrs, so you'll have the whooole place to yourself to do whateeever you want" but he says he actually gets bored and likes just being with me in the same room, not talking. So yeah, not all men. But from people dating, I've heard this often.
That they're faithful, don't lie or cheat, and will make us happy.
... yes, that's "unrealistic" for some of us women, as sad as that sounds.
Looking at some of these other replies, I'm shaking my head in real life.
I don't need a guy to chase me, buy me stuff, give me attention 24/7, or any of that nonsense.
Some of us just want a decent guy to treat us right! It's just finding said unicorn...
I find many women find "decent guys" boring.
So I've heard, lol. I must be the rare exception to that then. Because bad boys or guys whose lives are in disarray don't do it for me, lol. I'm too old for that nonsense
@coachTanthony yep, been there before. Were boring and the assholes are more exciting lmao.
Blows me away everytime. XD
Decent guys aren't unicorns. More then likely they turned into assholes when women they gave attention to. Turned around lied, cheated and used them.
*shrug* men and women both have it tough in this regard.
We exist, there are just too many with insecurities they haven't worked through
I also have to agree with @coachTanthony. I’ve heard women say to friends countless times after a break up “he was a really good guy, but it just wasn’t exciting anymore.” (As if that blame solely falls on the man.)
These same women typically are complaining a few months later after going through the online dating circuit “why are men such assholes?”
Well Felicia, you had a decent guy, but because he focused on his career and providing a stable life for you two, instead of playing mind games, you labeled him “boring.”
I had a girlfriend in college like that. I was focused on graduating, we broke up, because she just “wasn’t feeling it anymore” and she decided to date a self-labeled “up and coming DJ.” I don’t think the guy has cracked 150 listens on SoundCloud to this day.
Not all the women are like this, but it seems to be fairly common.
@HopelessRomantic2119 For sure... that has happened to so many people I know it's not even funny.
Now wait a minute guys!
Just because a few, okay, several women toss aside the decent ones, doesn't mean we're all like that!
That would be like me grouping all men as scum because I had some bad experiences.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd happily take a stable guy with his life in order and doesn't leave me wonder why the hell he's with me, over some thug.
But again, that's me. I cannot account for other women.
I know what I'm looking for in a guy. My problem is finding one that's either interested me (mostly this!!!) or he's already in a relationship.
@Cynicaldreamer The nice decent guys do chase you, buy you stuff, and give you attention 24/7... that is their problem at least for most of them... and that is why women leave and go date the DJ. It doesn't all fall on the women.
@coachTanthony "The nice decent guys do chase you, buy you stuff, and give you attention 24/7... that is their problem at least for most of them... and that is why women leave and go date the DJ..."
So you're saying because they're too nice it drives some women into the arms of a twit?
🤦♀️ I wish I could explain the stupidity of that. Personally I've never been with a guy like that but he sounds better than a DJ, haha
@Cynicaldreamer They have been making movies about this for decades!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYSOjuGdmvI
@coachTanthony Ouch, I'm actually hurting for that guy. I have to admit I don't really watch movies like that, hence my naivety on the matter.
True story: I'm the geek wearing glasses in the corner. Just change the guy to a girl and it's me at any social event.
LOL here's the back story... the girl and that dude she was kissing used to go out... he got her pregnant then broke up with her... nerd guy befriended her and helped her with the abortion I think even paying for it... supposed to meet her at a party with a ring he spent all his money on then doosh bag slides right back in after it's all said and done. Not great lol
@coachTanthony I'm... actually facepalming in real life over that plot. Mostly because that could easily be based off a real life story.
... yeah to all you decent guys on here reading this: I'm sorry. Some of us women are dumbasses, LOL. Not even going to deny that.
Can't tell you how many movies they made like that in the 80's. LOL
@coachTanthony Hey in my defense, I was born in 1985, so I wasn't around for the classics, lol
I was a teenager in the 80's so all these classics I actually got to see at the movies... great chick flicks back then ha
I think when you say "decent", that's your real answer, whatever "decent" means to you. If it's up to me, I'd say there are plenty of decent guys who don't cheat, are faithful, can make you happy or at least want to, and don't terribly lie. But "decent" to you might mean something else that may even pull him away from those qualities, or the traits of someone who wants to settle down and make an honest woman out of you.
Sounds like it's more a matter of the guys you choose. There are many of us.
@Juxtapose "... women in the west have high expectations and a DEEP, rooted need to be given money." I will have to politely disagree with you there Juxtapose. If anything, nowadays more women are learning to become self sufficient and not only make their only money, have good paying jobs, but not rely on men for money.
Growing up, my mother stressed the importance of getting a good job and taking care of myself so I would not have to rely on anyone to take care of me. And I listened. I have a job where I live comfortably and do not need ANYONE to give me money! And I'm quite proud of that. So while I would love a partner one day, the last thing I need is a guy to give me money.
Yes, I know that's not the case for all women, but as I said, nowadays more women are learning to support themselves, which is definitely a good thing.
Is it really ANYONE else's responsibility to "make you happy?" Doesn't that start with you? Isn't your partner supposed to compliment your life and make it better, rather than be the source of your happiness? I think the biggest mistake anyone can make is to think " now that I've found boy/girl X, I'm going to be "happy". On the subject of cheating/faithfulness, depending on what culture you exist in, the problem historically with marriage is --- monogamy! Estimates range from 30 to 60 % for men having extra marital sex, while 20 to 30% for women. It's not as bad as finding a unicorn, but it's not easy, I agree. It IS totally unrealistic to think "my husband will never lie to me about anything". He will, just like you will, about something. Hopefully it won't be about sex with someone else.
@loveslongnails You are absolutely right! I think @coachTanthony asked this same question yesterday in regards to, "If people aren't happy single, will they be happy in a relationship?" Same concept here: if you're not happy alone, then being in a relationship is a moot point. You're just with someone for the sake of saying you're with someone!
I know for a fact I'm not happy. I can honestly admit that. I have flaws I need to work out, and work on being happy with myself. So no, in all honestly while I would love a relationship, I know ideally I'm probably not ready for one right now. And that's okay. Hell I've been single this long, what's a bit longer going to hurt me? Haha.
"I think the biggest mistake anyone can make is to think " now that I've found boy/girl X, I'm going to be "happy"" Exactly! I've met SO many women that fall into that category, sadly enough. They think a relationship or marriage will make them happy. Then they get stuck in a relationship where they're miserable because they were afraid they would be alone the rest of their lives.
"On the subject of cheating/faithfulness, depending on what culture you exist in, the problem historically with marriage is --- monogamy!" Not just marriages my friend, but relationships as well! It's so disgusting that nowadays it's near to impossible finding people willing to be in a monogamous relationship. Or even commit to ONE person! Instead people want to "hook up," have flings, or refuse to define what their relationship is, for fear of feeling trapped or being "stuck" with one partner.
Call me old fashioned, but when I date someone, I commit to that ONE person. Not have him and x amount of people on the side as a backup. It's pathetic really.
@Cynicaldreamer In the end I think the greatest challenge in life is discovering who we are... the second greatest is being happy with what we find.
@coachTanthony So very true sir...
On a sidenote, good grief this comment thread is long! HAHA. Sorry to have monopolized your question- I think I stirred up the masses.
Nah the more the merrier!
@coachTanthony I was thinking what coach said... I think it's the duality of how we think... we want one thing, but are drawn to challenge.
@lightbulb27 I KNEW you were going to comment on this! I was waiting on you sir; you're late! Haha.
"... we want one thing, but are drawn to challenge"
Challenges are fine, but could you guys make a bit easier on some of us? Some of us have had so much trauma and heartache from dating and bad relationships, too much of a challenge might be too much for us, or if they're dense like I am, might give up too soon.
@Cynicaldreamer Im cooking soup so it took some time in between finding my mortar press and stiring...
Im with you on this, on your side of the force... Yes we can, we can read the person that is there, develop in our confidence and self worth and present our value to that person. That's what we own. What's messed up is the distorted and corrupted males going around doing damage and training others on how to do damage. It really is learning to lead and be confident in oneself, and let the woman choose. In that regard, I think you would in a heartbeat select that boring guy as he is genuine. But to compensate for our shortcomings and own isues (hurts, insecurities), we put on these masks and think others can't see us, for that is what many women look for and are drawn to is certain male traits, and then the charade beings a new. I learned to just be myself, but my better self and it's sufficient. But we do have to learn how to relate. Im rambling... well figure this thing out and end up in shangrila!!
You women say you want good men but then go for the bad men. Same old bullshit
@Iron_Man200 don't group all of us in the same category. That would be like me saying, "all men want a bad or wild girl."
Last I checked, I'm actually turned off by "bad men." But that's just me...
@Iron_Man200 "You women" …. like, uh … how many women would that ACTUALLY be …. those "you women"? You sound like a guy who got burnt by a woman, or two, and therefore all women are those women.
@loveslongnails I would say the majority of women are like that.
Yeah the ones men are on here complaining about.
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Romance. Too much emphasis on those special occasions when how a man treats a woman on a daily basis is so much more important.
Thinking styles. Took me some time but I realized men just don't think the same about things as women. And that is ok.
Women just have to tell men what they like and want. They aren't always pretending to be clueless sometimes they really are clueless. Passive aggressive responses to this cluelessness doesn't help anyone.
When they get overwhelmed by emotions in a fight and they really do need to be alone to think or relax. They aren't always doing that to piss us off. Better to let them go wander off and think unless they have a bad habit of never dealing with anything then that is a problem.
Even if we are in a feminist age, women still tend to see their partners as prince charming in a white horse who comes to make all problems disappear.
We have many behaviors which can show how much perfection we expect from our men, an example being our belief they have to read our minds when we are upset. We have this annoying habit to kill the communication which is the foundation of any healthy relationship by being childish at times, expecting men to figure things out instead of say what's wrong
I've found if you belt a girls ass when she's acting childish she will tell you whats wrong instead of being a big baby.
Dude, thank you for the maturity and the intellectual honesty to point this out. That alone is so rare.
@Lightning8
Thank you, I appreciate it!💋
This is how my last relationship ended. To sum it up, something would happen to slightly inconvenience her ie. Couldn't get her expensive item, schedule wouldn't allow for date Friday when I said any other day would work, I did something she asked me to do but unknowingly not in the way she wanted it done. Granted I'm not perfect but I damn sure tried to make her happy to the best of my ability. Anyways, this thing would upset her and for the next week or so she would be upset at me, spoiling our dates with a foul mood even after I apologised or explains that I simply didn't have the money. She wouldn't talk to me about her feeling or how I could help. This eventually lead to us breaking up. This is of course is a simplified version as many factors where present, and from my perspective so I'm sure it's scued slightly
That's actually one thing about my wife that she's discovered here over the last few months of us being separated. 😂
She thought I was going to be able to be her emotional pillar, that I could read her mind about what she wanted from me in most or all situations, then not wanting to talk/stay upset for days because I didn't do what she wanted properly. Miss her to death, I hope we can get back to a healthy emotional level, but... I don't know.
@Minkus88 @steelclever read my comment above. Would help you both. My current girlfriend was just acting moody and bitchy and i spanked her ass till she just about cried and when i was done she cuddled up on me and said she loves me and asked what i wanted for dinner. Girls need a good spanking sometimes.
@bamesjond0069
We are talking about real relationships. What's your problem?
@Desconhecida I know his story sounds crazy and probably made up, and it could be. But I've been with someone who wanted me to choke her really hard in bed and slap her in the face at random times of the day, even in public, and even if family is around (without them seeing). I wasn't so much into it, but I'm saying that to say that @bamesjond0069 's story is plausibe because there are women who are really into S&M and being into being submissive in that way, not just during sex, but as a way of life. And while it's often deeper than sex, she's likely still non submissive, even dominant in her general behaviour towards others, she just automatically becomes submissive to her partner only. But there are screwed up guys and there are screwed up women too
@Lightning8 Are you serious? OMG! I didn't know that!
Yeah, Lightning8 and Bames are telling truth. Unfortunately for me, my wife ended up taking the kids and moving in with her parents. No spanking is gonna be able to happen. Even then, she isn't even interested in me getting close enough to give her a hug when I pick my kids up or drop them off, lol. Says she's uncomfortable around me, even though I've NEVER laid a hand on her out of anger or disrespect. She also isn't attracted to me, but I find that hard to believe.
@bamesjond0069 great points, your girlfriend was treated bad as a child, so she's still functioning as a child. you are finding the hidden human being. We do at times hae to stand up against their behavior and they appreciate it, but the love part after was what is important... and often lost in the heat of the confusion of relational war.
@Desconhecida All hail desconhecida!!!
@Desconhecida yeah most girls are into this. They dont experience it so as soon as i teach them they are like damn im all about it.
That they're the only one he's dating ☺️
or that he should never question whether he's the only one she's dating 😷
@Lightning8
lol touche. You right. Women do it too. But I think men do that more. Im basing that partly on what I've read from some of the responses from men in gag on this subject
Having a specific zodiac sign
being a certain height
having a certain eye color
earning mountains of cash
working out and having muscles like a hulk
having our own place, that we do not rent
driving an upper tier SUV
giving them our passwords (and if we do so, can we have theirs?)
well, half of these things i personally never encountered but on the internet it's often seen around 😀😂 🤔🤷🤷🤷
Colored contact lenses... BAM.. solved LOL
Note: I understand not all women are like this so dont jump to conclusions, this is based off of a few that I have dated:
That they expect me to know everything, including what they're thinking at all times day and night. That I have to be the one doing most of the work in all things, including sex (believe it or not guys get sore and need a breather too). And the one that I hate most of all, that we need to be "on call" 24/7 and are upset when you hang out with friends, as if they are the only person you can socialize with from then on.
The ability to read minds.
My girlfriend and I joke about this often. She’s like “you’re the perfect boyfriend, except I wish you could read my mind.” I counter with, “well I don’t see that happening anytime soon, so I guess for now you’ll just have to communicate how you feel!”
Then they say no no baby I want you to play "detective" so that I know you care. lol
Haha exactly! She’s knows it’s a ridiculous expectation and we laugh about it afterwards, but there are still those times where I can tell she’s like “why can’t you just read my mind?”
1. Be her type. What's her type? ( she's probably not going to tell you right off the bat, so that can be any type of guy, so that doesn't really help ) best guess: Tall, dark & handsome ( That's sort of a broadened perspective, so again that doesn't really help)
2. Need to be a Mr. Universe bodybuilder, actor, pretty boy/ladies man, business man with any where between a 6 figure to a 10 figure income & a monster 13.5 sized cock like the American actor Jonah Falcon & only dedicated to her,... which I'm sure with this type of guy,... she's going to have some serious amount of competition.
3. If he has a good personality & a good guy, but that's all he is,... he's not her type but will be friendzoned.
4. If he comes across as a cool guy but strangely too weird & creepy, she's not going to talk to him at all... period.
5. She'll end up matching with a guy online but as soon as she meets him, her results will most likely be, "Now that's I've met you,... meh".
Thinking back I had some unrealistic expectations which caused me great unnecessary heartache. Here are a few of them.
1. Expecting him too my have eyes for me
2. Put me as his first priority ALL THE TIME
3. Expect him to fight my battles for me when it came to HIS family.
Oops, I meant expecting him to have eyes only for me
The unrealistic expectation that men will carry the weight of their own emotional baggage. By this, I mean that whatever the ex did won't effect how he treats me. Sometimes they drag all that old shit into the new situation and ruin a good thing
Oh yeah for sure!
Nothing is unrealistic. It is only unrealistic to the one who cannot meet those standards. A real “woman” which is why she is called a woman will have standards of her own which varies because she is worth the treatment and respect. A male who fails to meet those expectations that she has is not willing to put in the effort.
A man is willing to go above and beyond to make sure he wins the woman’s heart. If it’s about money and nothing that will benefit the both of you in the long run then you know who you’re dealing with. Now ask yourself? Is she a woman or a young minded lady who wants to dry your pockets or have you crawling at her feet without any reciprocation of interest.
I think I get what you're saying here, and I think I agree, but I'm not sure about nothing being unrealistic. That's just either poor phrasing or maybe an irony that I didn't pick up on. But unrealistic means it is not able to be real, or doesn't line up with reality, correct? There are definitely standards that can be unrealistic. Whether or not many or any women hold unrealistic standards is debatable, but to say nothing is unrealistic.. I just am not sure about that.
I thought we fought against misogyny and learned to accept women as they are by reckoning with the realities of being a woman, rather than what we think women should be. Why can't we do that for men?
Going "Above and beyond to make sure he wins the woman's heart" is the worst advice you could give a guy. If you treat a woman like a celebrity, she will treat you like a fan.
I think it is fair to say both genders are guilty of this - It does not really matter what the unrealistic expectations when the reality is that everyone is an individual and will have different approaches to romance and relationships while the people receiving will be individual in their tastes as well.
I suppose best process is muddle along till you find someone who ticks your boxes and you theirs.
Finding a decent guy we are rare and I say that because I know not many out there girls want that bad boy they can't control a challenge a risk, excitement. In front of me is it is as they get older and they look in the mirror and that's Sparkle is starting to lose its luster then they want something that is loyal honest faithful give me a break I've been these things all my life decent guys are out there and decent girls but couples in love that make it over well my aunts and uncles were talking 65 years nowadays couple of years in a relationship it's over better just to stay single. I remember when this one girl broke my heart I asked a supervisor a good friend of mine rest in peace he told me the best advice that I've ever heard."there's no demands for nice guys"
Amazing question.
So many answers.
That we're just human. We have the same desires as you --- food, money, security, housing, etc. We're not that different from women in desire. We want the basics. Beyond that is ambition and more money agendas. Greed and power? Do you know women who don't want those things?
... I constantly shut down the greed and power lust in me, yet at the same time see the need for it to control the lunatics in society. So again, another Ayn Rand Anthem society necessary to a pont.
Ouch! To what point?
Still a work in prgress. Not sure yet... not sure...
A man who has to be a stoic rock 24/7, not saying there aren't guys like that, but some of us want a woman we can emotionally confide in without being judged as opposed to feeling like we have to keep our pain to ourselves all the time, makes it feel like she cares more about us maintaining a specific image rather than wanting to truly be there for us, we are only human, we have feelings too.
The most common ones I have run into, albeit not frequently, are:
1. Expecting me to be available every minute of every day. Sorry, I have life.
2. Expecting me to buy her things she could never afford herself. Sorry, I am not a bank.
3. Expecting me to budge on my refusal to live together. Sorry, I'm not stupid.
That they're telepathic and know why were upset, angry, confused, etc
If he was would it show you that he cares more?
If he was actually telepathic? Then no, because he would just be reading my mind.
If he had high emotional intelligence and was able relate to my emotions and understand my reactions without being told/explained, then yes. Everyone wants someone to care enough about them to understand what they are going through.
I have the perfect video for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzp9O9cvdSk
Higher emotional intelligence is just higher emotional intelligece; it doesn't mean he cares more either because it's just a skill that some people are better at than others.
I dated an empath who emotionally cheated on me regardless of my feelings.
@Lightning8 a high EQ means he'll be able to understand and respond more appropriately to the emotional needs of others. Doesn't mean he's not asshat, however if he's inclined, he can easily make a girl feel more understood, cared for than someone with a low EQ who often doesn't get it.
EQ has nothing to do with infidelity.
My point is that neither does EQ have anything to do with compassion and genuine care necessarily. Then again, it does augment one's competence in caring for someone. And if you have high EQ, you should know that a person probably would not like being cheated on. But nonetheless it is just a skill. Therefore, you can sit up there and feel like someone with high EQ gets you, but the rudest awakening could be in store for you. High EQ does not equate to genuine compassion/care.
** competence in [performatively] caring for someone **
A high EQ doesn't mean that person is going to be a saint or live their lives free from bad choices which hurt others. It means they have the capacity to understand and respond to another person's emotions in an empathetic way, doesn't mean they will.
Like I said, they can still be an asshat, a high EQ doesn't change that. If anything, I suppose it would make them more manipulative if they wanted to be as they can play on a person's emotions easily.
Still, someone with a high EQ will respond better in a relationship to a partner's needs if they choose to.
I guess I just have trust issues with people like that now. I'm certainly aware that people who are empaths or have high EQ can be an amazing partner. But most romances these days end and this particularly combined with the common "me first" attitude of today, I just don't trust someone like that to be responsible with so much of my vulnerability. I guess I see people as becoming more like con artists. But maybe for women, they can trust guys like that more so, because they know guys innately have a higher sense of duty towards women.
Anyway, yes I agree with what you said. Before it seemed like you thought high EQ in a guy would "show that he cares more" in some authentic way, and I got triggered
@Lightning8 My advice is make sure you don't becone That Guy who is bitter and hates all women based on one shitty relationship. You've made a few comments which seem like you're heading down that path. There's no happy ending if you become him.
Take some time and reconnect with yourself. Get counselling if you think it will help. Do what you need to get over it, so you can move forward. That's my advice to you.
@Pistolpete90 Well I agree. Honestly I don't know if I'm "that guy". But understand that it's largely a myth that "that guy" hates women. He's actually loved, revered and respected women perhaps more than anyone else. That's why he was so hurt. I would say there are two external problems he faces, outside of his internal issues. One is the initial trauma, and two in my opinion would the women and men who reinforce his past negative experiences by hating him because they percieve that he hates women. If I could give advice, it would not to reinforce negetivity for such a person by neglecting to humanize him, empathize with him, and be compassionate towards him.
Of course I'm not referring to any abuser
Although empathy and humanization can and do help the victim heal after abuse
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@Lightning8 Everyone goes through hard times, the way we respond is our own choice. You either get better or get bitter, and if you go with the latter, you're the only one that suffers. The person who hurt you won't care, friends and family will eventually have enough and drop off the radar and this mindset will turn you into a twisted version of yourself that you don't recognise.
If you don't want be perceived as a negative person who hates women, don't act like or be one. Strangers, like me, don't know your life story, the impression we get is from what you give.
@PistolPete Even though everyone goes through things, I think using this as an excuse to act on the dark side of your own human nature towards someone once you percieve them to be bitter, is at least a little bit of a hypotical attitude. That is particularly if you preach choice. I mean, how you treat people is your responsibility right? And you essentially preach to "rise above", right? Well I think that people often don't want to be bitter, but they keep being presented with or finding reasons to be. So I'd rather not be another reason.
I don't absolve them from responsibility for their attitudes, however I just try to be understanding. Most people may take the easy road and hate them even though they're harmless, making the issue worse. But if they're bitter, then obviously they've most likely been through something horrible. And in that case, I don't want to be another one of "those people" who are too selfish to understand that everyone heals differently and have different responses to pain. I have to practice this mindset daily in my workplace.
Now, there is nothing wrong with telling people the consequences of negative thinking. But what's problematic is stigmatizing them completely even though they are harmless, rather than just presenting your argument as to why you disagree with some of their ideas. Instead of demonizing people, I think you should give them a better chance of practicing intellectual honesty with logic and empathy rather than giving them more punishment; because punishment makes people defensive. And just because most people behave a certain way towards a certain group of people, (like punishing them), it doesn't mean it is a moral or well informed behaviour. It could just be a case of ignorance being bliss.
By the way, I don't know what thought of mine led you to believe that I am going "down a bitter path", as if to say that I'm destined to become the grinch or something. I mean thanks for warning me, but I thought I was being at least a bit open, honest, and somewhat introspective when I admitted that I got triggered and why.
But anyway I do suggest reading "The Boy Crisis" by Warren Farrel, and to do some reading on the loneliness epidemic in the U. S.
@Lightning8 You can live your life however you want to and think whatever you want. It really makes no difference to me. I am letting you know that as an unbiased, third party, from the small interaction I have had with you that's the impression I've received. I'm not trying to demonise you, but just flag it with you as you might not be aware.
It's quite hard to follow exactly what you mean, but your happiness and wellbeing are your own responsibility, no one elses.
How are you unbiased when instead of addressing my arguments, you remark about my character outside of the topic, as if I need your advice?
@PistolPete I mean, I do appreciate your frankness though, but conforming isn't always my biggest concern. It's often bridging gaps. by the way I'm my biggest critic already so it's not like you are saying anything I don't think, or know that other people might think. But again thanks for the feedback
@PistolPete oh, and if I can ask again, why do you think you got that impression from such a small exchange?
**conforming [my thoughts so that everyone likes me] is not always my biggest concern** (Although I do try fixing my communication style and tone)
superficially likes me**
@Lightning8 I have already discussed and explained my answer relating to the QA and EQ.
Comments like "you could sit up there and feel like someone with EQ gets but you could be in store of the rudest awakening", "I have trust issues with people now", "I guess I see people as becoming more like con artists ""guys innately have a higher sense of duty towards women", "It's largely a myth that That guy hates women".
They paint a picture of of someone not on a good headspace. Anyway, I have been over this with you for a while and I am done with it. Have a nice life.
@PistolPete You forgot the part where we agreed and had common ground. Good luck with your life but I hope you mature out of your bumper sticker philosophies.
That we care more about their achievements more than being treated nice.
No offense but like others said we really couldn't give two shits what degree you have or what you do for work. Successful guys are plenty sick of that in their own lives, the last thing they want is the same in their girlfriend.
In general women rarely care about what men even want in a relationship, instead they impose what they'd like the guy to want on them.
It's absolutely amazing how mediocre girls can pull a guy around just by giving him the attention he wants.
Changing the man? I swear i never i understand why you are with someone you have to change instead of dating a man in your ideals without changing him. Some girls just want a badboy to be a good guy. I dont get these girls hahs
Or some women expect from men to provide them but at the same time they want to be a wanna be independent woman. You can't be both.
Because women tend to find guys with their shit together as boring relationships because they focus on adulting instead of fun and drama
can't speak for majority of women. Usually young girls tend to like such guys who watch shitty teenie drama where badguys turn into good guys
Women's unrealistic expectations would be in assuming that men want to marry a 30 year old, career driven, overbearing, headstrong, breadwinner, etc... Men really are attracted to kindness, sincerity, not a career driven, overbearing, dominant, independent woman in her 30s. Men want a feminine, attractive on the inside and out woman in her 20s, fertile, is not appealing if she's had a lot of drama, sexual partners, has kids. Any guy who tells you otherwise is only lying to himself and is a
beta male bitch
Some women have this idea that they can change or "fix" a man as if they were rehabilitation centers.
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