It seems that having any expectations whatsoever is unrealistic at this point. I thought I was low maintenance, but just today I realized that expecting to hear from my boyfriend at least once in a 24 hour period is unrealistic...
That the man will always initiate. Even if it's very one sided in that regard, it would be pretty unrealistic to expect that literally every advance romantically social or any way in the relationship should be the man's move. I know not everyone has this standard towards men, but I've seen it a couple times, and I don't think its realistic in such an extreme.
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I'm probably going to get a ton of thumbs down for this, but that's cool. I'm 29, and I've done all sorts of dating - online dating, meeting women in public and asking them on dates, dating women from meetup. com... blind dates... speed dating. I've done it all. So, what are the top things I notice from women?
-Height. A man must be 6 feet for taller. If he is not 6 feet or taller, he is not good enough to date.
-Muscular. A man must have a certain body type. If a man is too skinny, he is not good enough to date.
-Voice. A man must have a deep voice. If a man doesn't have a deep voice, he is not good enough to date.
-Personality. A man must have a perfect personality and must be a manly man. If he is not a manly man and does not have a perfect personality, he is not good enough to date.
I found that women are usually able to overlook a lot of things if a man has those 4 traits going for him.
The 35+ ladies who insist only dating highly sought after men.
Not knocking girls my age at all, but realistically Mr Perfect is probably not what we’re going to get. What we probably will get is the guy with the beer gut who changes oil for a living, and there’s nothing wrong with that
that we are more emotionally and relationally mature than she is. We likely are not, but we can grow. We think process like she does. we don't, but we can learn to relate That we understand her feelings. we don't, but we can learn.
His staying strong/in good physical shape and they think it doesn't take up much time. If they want him helping out at home and spending lots of time with her, that means he has less time to stay in shape because building/maintaining muscle takes much more effort than many women think.
I think the most unrealistic expectation women have is that they will find the man for all seasons. In other words, they think they will be able to find an alpha male badass who's 6'4" with the physique of an NFL linebacker with a 9-inch dick who is kind to small animals and cries at Hallmark movies and owns his own business from which he makes mid six figures. And, they expect that this man will be unquestionably faithful to them.
Holy shit buddy!! I'm sorry I had to laugh at this!! LOL!! Holy fuck man you just made my day!!! LOL!!! That's a huge, big-ass, over-exaggeration, but according to their expectations,... yeah, might as fucking well.
Women think their career attracts men, and "learning from past mistakes" is a good thing. Nope. Your career is irrelevant and there are girls out there who did not make past mistakes, they are better. Instead of trying to make up for being a workaholic or past mistakes, they just demand you "accept them as they are". Smh. Nope.
@kim45456 its subjective and could vary. And the question is about womens unrealistic expectations. But i think these sayings every man has heard a from women, are they common sayings men say to women?
I can tell you that we (some) can learn to enjoy that in the right environment, but it's hard and we do need training... and want to change. I find the social reinforcement and abuse of being wrong and deminished, lowers our desire to plan and lead... e. g. fear, shame... even in believers...
That the man will never look at another woman. Unfortunately, that’s human nature (and, specifically, the nature of men). We’ll never be able to change that about the guys we date.
And ladies, if your man ever tells you he “only has eyes for you”, that’s a lie. He may mean it in the moment, but I promise you he won’t mean it the next time he’s at the gym, at the beach, or watching a movie.
We might look, but that doesn't mean we would cheat if given the chance with the girl we are looking at. I am married and both me and my wife look at attractive people from the opposite sex. Doesn't mean we don't love to look at each other or want the other less.
@ThisIsMyOpinion That’s what I’m saying. We can’t help looking at attractive people, but women definitely notice it more when guys look. We also tend to think that if you’re looking at another girl, that means she has something we don’t.
Depends little on her personality and what she's after. Have stumbled in to a variety of different expectations. all from being the drive that should initiate everything all to expecting effort less sex or for that matter pay. Mostly effort less sex.
Any expectation of a man or woman while dating is unrealistic and a total waste of time and effort. You either take someone as they are or keep walking. The whole point of "dating" is to find out if you can make a relationship work. If and when you marry that person you have just told them "I love you and I have accepted you the way you are. Let's spend the rest of our lives together."
I could not tell you.. I don’t have any unrealistic expectations when it comes to dating, and I don’t find myself discussing this with other women. I only ever hear about it in the abstract online.
Most hijab brings are at eyes of doing any of these things at any point
All of these Can be summed up for any gender with Basically be honest communicate and don’t assume anyone is perfect
This has nothing to do with women
Men and women do the same stupid shit. They jist have to dress it up as being “different” and unique from the other Gender to make it sexy or something I don’t know.. makes no ether ti me why people want to look for extra divide when Just being a human being will mean oeoooe will not automatically understand you
COMMUNICATE
I seriously have not seen a single thing here that I’ve not seen all genders guilty of at one point or another
The thing about we” think” differently is so weird. Why do people assume they think the SAME as anyone in the first place bc of gender or anything else.
Saying it’s an unrealistic expectations to expect men to think the same, as if you expect women or men to think the same as each other, is in itself an unrealistic expectation one both women and men are guilty of all the time. It’s hard to even ask a question to people individually , without guys saying well this is how us guys or women think. They should know full well that doesn't cover individuals
Where do people learn that they are supposed to believe having certain genitalia means you are no longer an individual. It is absurd to me I can’t imagine thinking that way. And I don’t see the point bc you will necessarily run into someone who doesn’t fit what you expect.
Anyhow.. I don’t see how it is helpful to imagine people who are different are the sane as a means of helping to understand how people who are different are different
It seems easier to communicate. And don’t date people who refuse. 🤷♀️
I agree about communication. But one's sex/gender does affect how they think in part, because of conditions like the scientifically proven male/female brain, large difference in hormones and phisiology based on sex/gender, and therefore the different experiences innate to the aforementioned conditions.
I don’t believe that is proven... some Scientists make that claim many do not. Scientists do not agree on this.
I think and certain philosophers and scientists would agree ( some won’t of course. I respect that.) experience is going to outweigh any biological impact
Which is how sharing the same biology, does not guarantee similar thinking
There are so many hormones we Dk about. Seeing differnt amounts doesn't tell us all the wars they interact with each other. Nor how sensitive we may he to the affect. Ex. Men have more test but women need far far far less amount for it to have a similar impact. And we Dk how many hormones get encouraged or negated by other hormones that we Dk about. Just not enough info.
Like wise As far as tears watching Brain lighting up during certain actions or thoughts , does not tell you the quality of that condition only that something is activated
People are different that is a fact. there is not enough evidence hat these differences are the same in certain groups , inherently.
No one is a single individual. we are all the result of our interactions in the world. With others with our lives with our struggles and successes and obstacles and pain and needs and desires and the fact we are mortal and ultimately not in control of being alive..
A woman growing up in poverty who becomes a boxer, is most likely going to have Much more in common with a male of similar circumstance than a woman who grew up in relative wealth and was taught that it is not ladylike to be assertive let alone fight
A man who is studying to Be a dr , is going to have more in common with a fellow female med student than a male farmer
A female rights activist is likely going to relate better to a fellow rights activist make, than to a beauty mogul female.
But let’s put aside the likelihood that to assume you can know a person based on gender -without actually knowing them - or that you will never understand them despite knowing them , bc of gender - can cause a lot of Problems..
I genuinely untested in What is the ADVANTAGE in assuming you can understand a person based on their biology?
How is it helpful in day to day life? Rather than deciding ok I don't know this person... If I want to understand them I will need to get acquainted and communicate honestly
How does this help with getting a long in the world?
What if a person doesn’t fit with your gender Expectation?
Do you dismiss them as an anomaly?
Do they become non understandable?
What is the benefit in assuming a person is a certain way wren that’s May be incorrect?
Maybe it is helpful I’m not saying it isn’t.. I’m wondering how it is helpful to where many people hold fast to this idea.. I’m wondering what the incentive is in a practical sense. I’d love to hear thoughts on that 😊😊
Like does knowing I’m a biological woman, help you understand me?
Of course knowing one's gender helps us to understand someone. Gender is at probably at the most fundamental level of identity. This is why I think something like gender disphoria has so sadly proven as deadly as it's been for so many people who have committed suicide. Sex/gender has a fundamental impact on not only how one experiences and reacts to the world, but how the world experiences and reacts to them. I believe nurture has a greater impact than nature, which is why I believe people can eventually channel the better aspects of their humanity. But, nature is an important piece to understanding how someone is.
Understanding the deeper aspects of who someone is, allows for the farmer to be good friends with the doctor, or to bridge a gap of misunderstanding between two people of different professions. It's not always about the number of things you have in common; it's about empathy, compassion, humanity, and those who make you feel less alone.
I do consider some people anomolies, but that would make me more curious to understand them
I don't like to always assume, that leads to problems. But I do read clues and one's gender is a clue of varying significance depending on what's being investigated.
You being a woman does say a bit about how you experience the world, yes.
The most annoying thing to me that women expect men to read minds or perposefully want to creat drama. If there is no drama they find it boring. You ask them what happened they will say nothing. Then after some time they will say you don't know what happened.
That he is mentally mature enough to deal with whatever she or life throws at him. When we're all still just figuring it out. 🤷 Life doesn't come with a instruction manual.
This is something that a lot of people, men and women, don't like to admit even to themselves. But if you can't be open and honest with, nor accepting of yourself, can you be any of that with someone else? I think you make a very important point. Although due to women's sexuality, I'm not quite sure most women can even be quite this rational about it; because what attracts her to him is his higher level of competence, independance and autonomy.
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It seems that having any expectations whatsoever is unrealistic at this point. I thought I was low maintenance, but just today I realized that expecting to hear from my boyfriend at least once in a 24 hour period is unrealistic...
That the man will always initiate. Even if it's very one sided in that regard, it would be pretty unrealistic to expect that literally every advance romantically social or any way in the relationship should be the man's move. I know not everyone has this standard towards men, but I've seen it a couple times, and I don't think its realistic in such an extreme.
I'm probably going to get a ton of thumbs down for this, but that's cool. I'm 29, and I've done all sorts of dating - online dating, meeting women in public and asking them on dates, dating women from meetup. com... blind dates... speed dating. I've done it all. So, what are the top things I notice from women?
-Height. A man must be 6 feet for taller. If he is not 6 feet or taller, he is not good enough to date.
-Muscular. A man must have a certain body type. If a man is too skinny, he is not good enough to date.
-Voice. A man must have a deep voice. If a man doesn't have a deep voice, he is not good enough to date.
-Personality. A man must have a perfect personality and must be a manly man. If he is not a manly man and does not have a perfect personality, he is not good enough to date.
I found that women are usually able to overlook a lot of things if a man has those 4 traits going for him.
The 35+ ladies who insist only dating highly sought after men.
Not knocking girls my age at all, but realistically Mr Perfect is probably not what we’re going to get. What we probably will get is the guy with the beer gut who changes oil for a living, and there’s nothing wrong with that
That we are expected to just automatically know what they want without them ever saying anything
That's why you used a question to get the answer in the beginning. XD
Like going out to eat.
Be like: We are going out tonight, can you guess where?
Then take her to her first answer lol. *bad joke I know* might work XD
I think the most common unrealistic expectations many women have mainly involve income, height, and physical fitness.
A lot of the other attributes don't seem to be as important, unless there are certain attributes that are more relevant to different cultures.
that we are more emotionally and relationally mature than she is. We likely are not, but we can grow.
We think process like she does. we don't, but we can learn to relate
That we understand her feelings. we don't, but we can learn.
His staying strong/in good physical shape and they think it doesn't take up much time. If they want him helping out at home and spending lots of time with her, that means he has less time to stay in shape because building/maintaining muscle takes much more effort than many women think.
I'm sure you can infer what I might say about this specific type of question from previous comments I made on this platform, Coach! :^)
LOL yes I can.
I think the most unrealistic expectation women have is that they will find the man for all seasons. In other words, they think they will be able to find an alpha male badass who's 6'4" with the physique of an NFL linebacker with a 9-inch dick who is kind to small animals and cries at Hallmark movies and owns his own business from which he makes mid six figures. And, they expect that this man will be unquestionably faithful to them.
Holy shit buddy!! I'm sorry I had to laugh at this!! LOL!! Holy fuck man you just made my day!!! LOL!!! That's a huge, big-ass, over-exaggeration, but according to their expectations,... yeah, might as fucking well.
Women think their career attracts men, and "learning from past mistakes" is a good thing. Nope. Your career is irrelevant and there are girls out there who did not make past mistakes, they are better. Instead of trying to make up for being a workaholic or past mistakes, they just demand you "accept them as they are". Smh. Nope.
What do you define as mistakes?
I think both genders want a partner without mistakes in the past
@kim45456 its subjective and could vary. And the question is about womens unrealistic expectations. But i think these sayings every man has heard a from women, are they common sayings men say to women?
That men like to lead, plan dates, and can empathize with you.
I can tell you that we (some) can learn to enjoy that in the right environment, but it's hard and we do need training... and want to change. I find the social reinforcement and abuse of being wrong and deminished, lowers our desire to plan and lead... e. g. fear, shame... even in believers...
That the man will never look at another woman. Unfortunately, that’s human nature (and, specifically, the nature of men). We’ll never be able to change that about the guys we date.
And ladies, if your man ever tells you he “only has eyes for you”, that’s a lie. He may mean it in the moment, but I promise you he won’t mean it the next time he’s at the gym, at the beach, or watching a movie.
We might look, but that doesn't mean we would cheat if given the chance with the girl we are looking at.
I am married and both me and my wife look at attractive people from the opposite sex. Doesn't mean we don't love to look at each other or want the other less.
@ThisIsMyOpinion That’s what I’m saying. We can’t help looking at attractive people, but women definitely notice it more when guys look. We also tend to think that if you’re looking at another girl, that means she has something we don’t.
Depends little on her personality and what she's after.
Have stumbled in to a variety of different expectations. all from being the drive that should initiate everything all to expecting effort less sex or for that matter pay.
Mostly effort less sex.
They are little to easy to see right through.
Any expectation of a man or woman while dating is unrealistic and a total waste of time and effort. You either take someone as they are or keep walking. The whole point of "dating" is to find out if you can make a relationship work. If and when you marry that person you have just told them "I love you and I have accepted you the way you are. Let's spend the rest of our lives together."
That men should be mind readers and know exactly what the lady wants e. g such as deciding on a restaurant.
I could not tell you.. I don’t have any unrealistic expectations when it comes to dating, and I don’t find myself discussing this with other women. I only ever hear about it in the abstract online.
I find these answers really silly
Most hijab brings are at eyes of doing any of these things at any point
All of these Can be summed up for any gender with Basically be honest communicate and don’t assume anyone is perfect
This has nothing to do with women
Men and women do the same stupid shit. They jist have to dress it up as being “different”
and unique from the other Gender to make it sexy or something I don’t know.. makes no ether ti me why people want to look for extra divide when Just being a human being will mean oeoooe will not automatically understand you
COMMUNICATE
I seriously have not seen a single thing here that I’ve not seen all genders guilty of at one point or another
The thing about we” think” differently is so weird. Why do people assume they think the SAME as anyone in the first place bc of gender or anything else.
Saying it’s an unrealistic expectations to expect men to think the same, as if you expect women or men to think the same as each other, is in itself an unrealistic expectation one both women and men are guilty of all the time. It’s hard to even ask a question to people individually , without guys saying well this is how us guys or women think. They should know full well that doesn't cover individuals
Where do people learn that they are supposed to believe having certain genitalia means you are no longer an individual. It is absurd to me I can’t imagine thinking that way. And I don’t see the point bc you will necessarily run into someone who doesn’t fit what you expect.
Anyhow.. I don’t see how it is helpful to imagine people who are different are the sane as a means of helping to understand how people who are different are different
It seems easier to communicate. And don’t date people who refuse. 🤷♀️
I agree about communication. But one's sex/gender does affect how they think in part, because of conditions like the scientifically proven male/female brain, large difference in hormones and phisiology based on sex/gender, and therefore the different experiences innate to the aforementioned conditions.
Lightning8
I don’t believe that is proven... some Scientists make that claim many do not. Scientists do not agree on this.
I think and certain philosophers and scientists would agree ( some won’t of course. I respect that.) experience is going to outweigh any biological impact
Which is how sharing the same biology, does not guarantee similar thinking
There are so many hormones we Dk about. Seeing differnt amounts doesn't tell us all the wars they interact with each other. Nor how sensitive we may he to the affect. Ex. Men have more test but women need far far far less amount for it to have a similar impact. And we Dk how many hormones get encouraged or negated by other hormones that we Dk about. Just not enough info.
Like wise As far as tears watching Brain lighting up during certain actions or thoughts , does not tell you the quality of that condition only that something is activated
People are different that is a fact. there is not enough evidence hat these differences are the same in certain groups , inherently.
No one is a single individual. we are all the result of our interactions in the world. With others with our lives with our struggles and successes and obstacles and pain and needs and desires and the fact we are mortal and ultimately not in control of being alive..
A woman growing up in poverty who becomes a boxer, is most likely going to have Much more in common with a male of similar circumstance than a woman who grew up in relative wealth and was taught that it is not ladylike to be assertive let alone fight
A man who is studying to Be a dr , is going to have more in common with a fellow female med student than a male farmer
A female rights activist is likely going to relate better to a fellow rights activist make, than to a beauty mogul female.
But let’s put aside the likelihood that to assume you can know a person based on gender -without actually knowing them - or that you will never understand them despite knowing them , bc of gender - can cause a lot of Problems..
I genuinely untested in What is the ADVANTAGE in assuming you can understand a person based on their biology?
How is it helpful in day to day life? Rather than deciding ok I don't know this person... If I want to understand them I will need to get acquainted and communicate honestly
How does this help with getting a long in the world?
What if a person doesn’t fit with your gender Expectation?
Do you dismiss them as an anomaly?
Do they become non understandable?
What is the benefit in assuming a person is a certain way wren that’s May be incorrect?
Maybe it is helpful I’m not saying it isn’t.. I’m wondering how it is helpful to where many people hold fast to this idea.. I’m wondering what the incentive is in a practical sense. I’d love to hear thoughts on that 😊😊
Like does knowing I’m a biological woman, help you understand me?
Of course knowing one's gender helps us to understand someone. Gender is at probably at the most fundamental level of identity. This is why I think something like gender disphoria has so sadly proven as deadly as it's been for so many people who have committed suicide. Sex/gender has a fundamental impact on not only how one experiences and reacts to the world, but how the world experiences and reacts to them. I believe nurture has a greater impact than nature, which is why I believe people can eventually channel the better aspects of their humanity. But, nature is an important piece to understanding how someone is.
Understanding the deeper aspects of who someone is, allows for the farmer to be good friends with the doctor, or to bridge a gap of misunderstanding between two people of different professions. It's not always about the number of things you have in common; it's about empathy, compassion, humanity, and those who make you feel less alone.
I do consider some people anomolies, but that would make me more curious to understand them
I don't like to always assume, that leads to problems. But I do read clues and one's gender is a clue of varying significance depending on what's being investigated.
You being a woman does say a bit about how you experience the world, yes.
The most annoying thing to me that women expect men to read minds or perposefully want to creat drama. If there is no drama they find it boring. You ask them what happened they will say nothing. Then after some time they will say you don't know what happened.
That he is mentally mature enough to deal with whatever she or life throws at him. When we're all still just figuring it out. 🤷 Life doesn't come with a instruction manual.
This is something that a lot of people, men and women, don't like to admit even to themselves. But if you can't be open and honest with, nor accepting of yourself, can you be any of that with someone else? I think you make a very important point. Although due to women's sexuality, I'm not quite sure most women can even be quite this rational about it; because what attracts her to him is his higher level of competence, independance and autonomy.
6ft tall, 6 figure income and a pornstar cock.
More like 5'10, 50K a year, and a 4-6 cock.
Dude, you just made my day. LOL!!!
@McKellar lol a pleasure.