Are "women's high expectations" in dating actually made up by men?

[Anonymous]

Let's be real. We all love our stereotypes.
Could it be that women's high expectations in dating are just that? Generic stereotypes made up in men's heads?

On most occasions:
• You don't need to be over 6' feet tall, just taller then her.
• You don't need to be rich, just to have a secure average paying job.
• You don't need to be a hunk, just take enough care your looks.
• You don't have to be an asshole, just to have a backbone.

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+1 y

Just saw a documentary on sex. It's on Netflix.
Seconds episode talks about attraction. It's literally scientifically proven that women are more flexible with what they find attractive than men are.

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+1 y

If you want feel free to give your input here as well
Genuinely good guy vs bad boy: who gets the girl? ↗

[Anonymous]

You’re right, most all of those expectations are in men’s heads. Where the obsession with height comes from I have no idea, other than really tall women often look for a mate who is of equal height or taller. The rest of us don’t care. As far as job goes, just have one. I don’t care if it’s picking up trash in the park or dropping French fries at McDonald’s. Just be of use to some employer. The chances that he makes more money than I do are extremely slim, and probably always will be. As expected, your post sure flushed out some really angry and bitter men.

[Asker]

Louder for the people in the back!

[ChiTown33]

The problem with this response is no they're not expectations until they are lol. A woman may simply just not want to go out for a guy for whatever reason. So she creates these barriers to deter him from bothering her. Lol

[Opinion Owner]

“I’m not interested” works just fine. Why bother with creating “barriers” Lol. A lot of us have no problem telling a guy to get lost if he persists. There’s no need to explain anything.

[natured]

Sunshine, Men will still not believe you, I'm completely on your side here, but Men are yet convinced that we're monsters running after "bad Boys" and after their money and all this bullcrap that they see in movies..
Sad but true
I'm just like you I totally groove with your midset

[zagor]

I think some women don't want to just say, "I don't want to go out with you because I'm not interested in you" so they make up something about height or job so it isn't as personal.

[VanillaSalt]

There’s definitely a plethora of women whom want a 6’ man with 6 figures and a 6 pack… It’s also true their the vocal majority. It’s also true that women are more likely to do a man dirty then a man will a woman. Sure cheatings pretty balanced between the sexes but take into consideration the perks women get for being women. Things like women and children first, chivalry, and alimony. If there’s a problem men are expendable, women get natural respect and care from every simp in existence just for being, and women are behind 80% of the divorce filings… regardless what side your on or what you think men tend to get a raw deal when interacting with women.

Hell I myself have experiences. I was accused of sexual assault in Jr high. Complete lie and I hardly knew the girl so I didn’t even know why. If that happened to my son today… my poor boy could be in prison without evidence. And before you argue I’ve got cases that has actually happened. I’ve been yelled at by a woman in a crowded supermarket for holding the door to the milk open and saying excuse me. Do you understand how embarrassing it is to be stared at by dozens of people while being admonished by some woman I didn’t exchange even 3 words with? I’m also been cheated on… 3 times. Both emotion and physical cheating and in one relation she was verbally and physically abusive.

Laws, rules, society, government, women, and even men see women as more valuable then me. Well I’m sorry I don’t agree. My voice is not silent next to a woman’s. And I sure as hell ain’t going to be abused without fighting back. Equal lefts for equal rights.

How does all this tie into women’s expectations? Men don’t like or trust women these days. And the vocal part of your genders well trash. Their the portion of women most men have seen and experienced and so with such mistrust for you you expect them to listen when you say something like “not all women.” Dating was ruined by women. Not even a majority of women just a select minority.

[VanillaSalt]

Women used to bitch about promiscuous men… now they same why can’t I… normally you emulate the best of people to be better not the worst.

[Opinion Owner]

Feel better?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

You nailed it here💯 Yes, I believe so, 💯... Hope more men listen to what you said here, instead of the men that keep the inaccurate assumptions, stereotypes alive...

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Thanks for mh... Laughing at the downvotes🤣

[AmandaYVR]

I was going to answer 'no' to your question and the first paragraph.
But then it's also true, what you said in the second.

Some guys just make up excuses and prefer to blame girls for what is really their own inadequacy and a competitive dating marketplace. People aren't gifted partners. You do have to rise up and be better than others. That's life.
But there are also girls whose expectations are so high, they won't be happy with 'regular' guys (even if they're a 'regular' and flawed individual themselves), so they choose to not be in a relationship.
Some guys are just sooo lazy and uninteresting and don't put much effort in. But some girls are way overvaluing themselves. Is that based on the attention they get on their social media accounts? I wonder. It could also be parenting styles and how kids have been emboldened to think they're better than they actually are. Again, not everyone is 'the best.'

[jennifer_bloom]

If a guy has a good personality, or an attractive one and works hard, he will be able to find somebody even if he is very ugly, and most guys look better than very ugly.

[Chthou95]

Lmao personality won't do jack shit

[garykingg]

@Chthou95 True. A woman has a biological drive to find the best possible mate, which means the guy with the best genes. Most girls say her husband or boyfriend has a great personality when it's just basically looks. Girls say that so that they don't look shallow.

[Asker]

@garykingg not true. Personality is what will ultimately make her fall in love with you.

[Chthou95]

Bullshit

[Asker]

@Chthou95 I am really sorry you never had a partner who made you feel that way. I really am and hope you find that someone one day.

[Chthou95]

Dont need it man. Im red pilled and good to go

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Chthou95 and that's your problem, not women🤣

[Chthou95]

@Brainsbeforebeauty Who said being red pilled is a problem?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Chthou95 To each their own🤷

[SupremeWarlord]

@Chthou95 If personality didn't matter, then you would not see women dumping hot guys for being douches, or for being from a different religion, whatever.

I mean, I get that there are women who tolerate crap from men because he's hot or rich, but they are not the only ones in existence.

[DWornock]

@garykingg That is close but not completely accurate. Very few women can marry men with the best genes. Therefore, they do the best they can but they also look for guy that is dependable and a good provider for her and her children. Then, when she is ovulating, provided there is a low risk that her husband will find out, she will have sneaky sex with a guy with best genes available to her. Women that did not select the best available genes for their eggs are not our ancestors.

[SupremeWarlord]

@DWornock Yeah I already read about that also, fuck evolution.

But this is changing a bit in modern society, where women don't depend on men anymore for protection, the thing is that this makes it easier for them to cheat. More successful women are more likely to cheat, since they're less likely to have less bad consequences than a dependent woman if their marriage fail. Actually, they're already starting to use the "provider" card on some males who want to depend on them. Things are very complex in modern society.

[SupremeWarlord]

less likely to have bad consequences*

[mpodeszek]

Very true its about tye personality

[mpodeszek]

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[MCheetah]

Nah. Maybe the women you've met are nicer than the ones I have. Also, even the so-called "realistic" standards are still shallow AF.

You're still expected to be tall. And "just having a job" has never been good enough for the women I've met or else a guy working at McDonalds or Target would be "good enough" for her. "Take care of your looks" IS being a hunk; who TF has time to go to the gym 14 hours a week? Are you kidding me? I can see if you said "Don't be 100 pounds obese" or something. And as someone who has a backbone, I assure you, women do not like that UNLESS you are said 10/10 "stereotype." They subconsciously think "you are too ugly and beneath me to be confident."

I think you ARE a six foot+, fit athletic man, saying all of this, while thinking he's "average." The "average" guy looks like Seth Rogen, but some people think "average" is Henry Cavill.

Lastly, I'll leave you with this: Just a small microcosm of how women judge men when they aren't worried about their public reputation being damaged.

Just remember guys; you're being told you're inferior and worthless due to your height, looks, income, etc, by WOMEN LIKE THIS. And people then wonder why so many men are "giving up" or why men claim women have "high expectations."

[roy_treves]

While I agree with some of what you said, I do think the examples you brought in the pictures are of women who truly represent the low of the low. Be honest, would you even want to date them? Even if they are attractive, they value such shallow attributes... why would you care about them. Let them have their fun with the douches.

I think all those examples you brought are from tinder. A terrible place if you are looking for a serious relationship. From my extremely limited experience (of a total 0 relationships), all these apps are trash and a massive waste of time (sometimes also money), as much as it sucks it isn't as easy as swiping left and right forever.

Meeting people IRL is the only way you could possibly know someone based on something more than their physical appearance. I'm sure even women who obviously have it extremely easy in dating apps (talking about getting matches), get shitty dates. The only thing you might be jealous of them is the ease of getting a hookup, if that's what you're looking for. In that case, yeah, the average guy is shit out of luck.

[MCheetah]

@roy_treves
The thing is, they're not even the lowest of the low. These are typical 18 to 25 year old women. (Not that that is "my type," just saying this is common.) The point isn't whether I would date them or not; of course I wouldn't. The point is, this isn't exactly "rare" like some men like to believe. The only difference between these women and others is, these ones are the honest ones.

I'm sure you've also seen that OKCupid study that said that women think 93% of men are unattractive looking. Are they all just "the lowest of the low," too? And it's not like this is confirmation bias or I go looking for this sh*t, either. You don't have to go "looking for it" when it's right in front of your face, and everywhere. You don't have men from all walks of life saying the same thing; they can't all be "incels" like these same women like to claim.

And it's not just the "Stacys" who are like this, either. Hypergamy is very real. Even 4 out of 10 women who are unattractive and have bad attitudes (like the 5th Tinder pic I showed) still expect 10/10 men. The "Princess Syndrome." And I mean, when they have an endless sea of simps bathing them with affection, why wouldn't they have inflated egos and massive entitlement? You can't even blame these women for being arrogant and entitled.

I've never been the "hookup type" and I hate hookup culture. I'm just less than six feet and not a 10/10 Michael B. Jordan or Henry Cavill type, so I know what it's like. Just linking those pics above was enough to bring back depression flashbacks. Dating apps is like a lightning rod for depression for men. And it's a confidence booster for women. Only thing is, real life isn't that much better. All these women on these apps aren't just bots or AI programs. They're real women. The internet just allows you to see a more honest side of them.

[roy_treves]

Yeah I see what you mean. Also those statistics are crazy. I tried some of those apps. Took me about a month to realize every single one of them is trash.

The sad truth is that casual dating is much more difficult for men than for women. But I believe serious relationships are just as difficult for both genders, its just that women go through a lot more guys on the way. Some guys would actually be happy that's how it is.

Personally I like just how easy it is for me to see when I should steer clear of a "Princess" as you called them. But I can't say I like the situation of how difficult it is to find good dates. The one thing I do know is that it won't be through those dating apps.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No. Women actively state they want a tall man, this is women putting that on men not the other way around (they are very consistent with that.)
worldofbuzz.com/.../
www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-many-women-want-be-tall-men

You don't need to be rich. . . you do need to be well off however. Studies consistently show that women are less likely to marry a man who makes less then them, more likely to divorce and be unhappy in relationships with men who make less or are stay at home dads.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ancy-rich-men-more.html
www.thetimes.co.uk/.../women-really-do-prefer-rich-men-study-finds-f2gjhr5gh

You do need to be attractive. You don't need to be a ten, but you do need to be attractive as studies have shown.
www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html

You don't have to be an asshole, but many women do confuse being an asshole with having a backbone, being an asshole with confidence and thus women do actively go after assholes (though it usually isn't something that lasts).
nypost.com/.../
www.medicaldaily.com/bad-boy-narcissistic-dark-triad-375294
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...men-strong-fathers.html

So unfortunately, they really do have high expectations, far higher then men's it turns out. Sadly we cannot really acknowledge it because men will either be black pilled (become bitter and nihilistic when it comes to dating) or because women's strength lies in our perception of them being vulnerable and benevolent (even though deep down we know they are human beings just like men and thus are bound to the same shallowness and same manipulation and same biological drives as men (i. e. finding the best mate to ensure their and their offsprings survival). Believing these expectations don't exist is simply rationalization (understandable, we always look at things in a positive light whether that be ourselves, those we like, or even our own cultures). Women are not evil or anything, but they are human.
www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study

[Asker]

Women want a men taller than they are. Not necessarily a man over 6'.

Statistically marriages where the couple makes similar amounts last longer. Also today in 1/3 of all relationships women make more.

There are plenty guys out there, who don't look that attractive or are that rich that have life long partners.

As they get older they can tell the difference very we don't worry.

So it is men who actually got into their head that they need to be this perfect man in order to attract anyone. Not true at all.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Never said over six feet, I said taller and yes they actually prefer over six feet but they won't turn down a guy under six feet just for that.

Statistically marriages where women make less then the man last longer and those women are happier as per the links I have presented. and yes women are out earning men as schools have basically forced boys and men out resulting in women getting married much later in life as they are willing to wait so long as they find a guy who makes more money then them.

Never said a man cannot get a partner without looking good, not sure why you would make that argument. What I stated is that women do in fact have expectations of physical attractiveness. A woman is not going to date "down", she will find a man of same attractiveness or better which can be offset to a small extent if the man is rich.

As the studies show, no, women consistently find psychopathic, sociophatic, and narcassistic men more attractive. I also didn't include the study that shows that bullies get far more sex then non bullies. So again, that is not correct based upon the scientific data.

So again, these standards exist as the scientific evidence that I presented (multiple sources no less) shows. What your doing is rationalizing because your afraid to admit the truth, that women are human beings and they can be just as shallow and shitty as the rest of us. If that is the case then that means their is no pure love, their is no chance for a man that is less to get a woman of high quality (which should go without saying, tens date tens, they do not date ones).

Your not rejecting my statements and the science because its not true, your rejecting it because your afraid it is true and that is a world you don't want to live in so you choose to ignore it, that is all.

[Asker]

I don't know about more or less, but I have seen that when they make similar amount the marriages last longer.
In the old days women had no choice, but to make less because they didn't work. Today that mentality is still very present. Women who make very little and can't live on their own have to stay in the marriage. So of course it lasts longer. If they are happier, well what else will they say?
Schools are in no way shape or form forcing men out of them. Since ever boys are more likely to drop out of school. It's not something recent. Girls respond better to tests as a way of evaluation and have a easier time staying focused during lectures. Boys respond better to practical ways of teaching. But you need to have tests and you need to teach theory.

Everyone looks better when they are rich, even women. Let's not fool ourselves, if a man knows a girl is super rich it will be a plus.

In yonger ages sure.

I know very well women as as shallow as men are. Don't get me wrong. What I am defending is that they are not more than us.

I don't need to be afraid of it I am married. Do you know that there is a study, a published one that supposedly proves masks don't do anything for medical professionals? There is. And yet they never stopped using them did they? There are many studies out there that for one reason or the other don't really have validation.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Women absolutely had a choice. Women could and did work, the goal for women however was to not work. We have documents dating back to the thirteen hundreds listing off female master blacksmiths. It was simply that most women then and now want a man who makes more money then them (again, if they marry a man who makes less then them they are unhappy (again, based upon studies and surveys done).

As for schools, yes they are, the drop out rates for boys is four times higher and that was not something that had always been the case. Boys score higher on tests and yet get lower grades. Discrimination against boys in schools is rampant and even admitted to. We know that its been designed to appeal to how girls learn instead of boys and as a result boys are being pushed out.
mitili.mit.edu/.../...on-Paper-2016.07-Terrier.pdf
https://englishbook.org/pdf/the-war-against-boys

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for women having to stay in marriages, that is catagorically false based upon all available data. Not only do women not have to stay in marriages, they are the most likely to end marriages as 70% of all divorces are filed by women, the most cited reason being no fault. In addition one of the reasons why this is the case is because 80% of all alimony and child support (which is generally the same thing as alimony as its artificially inflated in the cases alimony is not given to account for that) is paid out by men to women. So women are not bound to a husband but ironically a husband is bound to his wife as if she leaves she takes most of his money and his children (women get equal or better custody 91% of the time vs. a mans 44% of the time, equal custody being about 35% of the time). If he leaves her he loses most of his money and his children. So in reality men are the ones forced to stay in the relationship while women are not because the marriage contract only benefits her not him (again, this is based upon the statistical and legal data.).

Actually the wealth and education of a woman has no impact on her appearence for men, the reverse is not true however. Males tend to value maternal qualities of kindness and attentiveness while women prefer bravery (protective) and wealth acquisition (because child rearing is expensive to a woman so having that security is a biologically built in desire for them just as hip to waist ratio is for men because it means increased survival rate for child birth).

[hellionthesagereborn]

I don't think women are more shallow then us from a biological standpoint, I think they are more shallow then us culturally. When you remove any and all social checks on a group, that group because toxic. Women cannot be questioned in our society, doing so is "sexist". So a woman can complain that a man won't date her because of weight, so much so that we have a "body positivity" movement specificaly designed to pressure society into accepting obese women as attractive, YET women consistently refuse to date obese men, short men etc. and their is no body positive movement for them.

We place standards on men with very good reason, we need the structure for society to function, however we place none on women and as a result they have become so pampered that they no longer have realisitic expectations (in one survey done while men found women to be on average, average in looks, they found that women found 80% of men BELOW average in looks. This is a statistical impossiblity by definition, that did not stop women from believing it however).

This is why women divorce men out of bordem, and men don't, why women have long lists of traits for what men have to be and men don't, its because we have standards on men and none on women. Its not biology, its culture and we are seeing the decay of gender relations, marriages (high divorce rates and now low marriage rates), and general discontent (both men and women are less happy now then in the fifties but women even more so. This is the first time in history we have seen women reporting being less happy then men.) as a result of removing these standards.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The reason they where removed is because feminism wrongly claimed women where oppressed, completely ignoring that the rules where put in place for women by women and enforced by women. they ignored that while women historically CHOSE to give up certain rights, they in turn gained significant benefits. So they claimed women couldn't work but that was incorrect women worked all the time. What happened was that women who where married didn't work because their husband was legally responsible for taking care of them and if he failed in doing so she could divorce him and get alimony as a result because he was not capable of taking care of her financially. This was the trade off, she couldn't own land because he had to pay the taxes on it and he had to maintain it ergo he had the rights to decide what to do with it and she didn't. It wasn't oppression, it was a deal. Feminists said this was oppression when it wasn't and removed all of those trade offs so now all the responsibility falls on the man and none of it the woman and now women have become more entitled as a result because society is catering to them instead of treating them as equivalent to men (either we are equal or we trade off responsibilities for securities in equal measures. Women desire security more then freedom however due to biology so they consistently choose greater security resulting in this inbalance).

As for the mask study, that is incorrect. The multiple mask studies state that masks are not useful for VIRAL spread which is different then not useful (their are many other pathogens they protect against), and that is because virus's are significantly smaller then bacteria, protozoa and other multicellular pathogens and as such slip through the fibers of the masks. These studies are validated as where the ones I listed which have multiple backing studies.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Basically to paraphrase, its not innate shallowness that is the issue, its that women have become spoiled because no one has told them no in nearly 100 years, men will date them even if they are not good people, if they destroy the family they will not only not be punished they will in fact be rewarded for it. If they do wrong, the entire society will make excuses for them. The entire society is catering to them. If we spoiled men like this, removed any consequences for their actions do you think that men would become better or worse? The answer is worse, men would cheat, steal, abandon their families, father multiple children and then abandon them etc. at record numbers and act like entitled assholes while they did so because their would never be a consequence for them doing so. This is precisely what we see happening with women and as a result their standards and expectations are higher because their entire life they have been told they are better then every one else and they can do no wrong but others can wrong them.

[Asker]

No they couldn't. They don't even open a bank account alone before 1970. Working any job they wanted simply wasn't allowed to them.

Grades are not all about testing their are also given based on student behavior. Boys tend to disturb class more than girls.
I agree that the model of teaching we gave today favors girls, but what other method is there. Boys don't like to be sitting down listening, they prefer practice to theory. Sadly it's needed.

[Asker]

Why do you think they divorce much more since they have their own independence? Divorce skyrocketed at the same rate as women had the option to be independent. Must be because they were very happy in their marriages.

In 51% of the times both the mother and the father agree the child should be with the mother. Men get custody around 23%. Women 77%, 51% of which the father just gave them. So fathers only fight and lose custody 26% of the time.

Today that is not true. Jobless women are less desirable. To the average men a woman with no job is a financial burden. Today's economy doesn't let just one to have a regular income job if you want to get your children a good life.

That "women can't be questioned" is bs. Of course they can and they are. Don't let what you see in social media fool you to what happens in the real world.

Number one cause for divorce is "lack of commitment". You call it getting bored, they call it lack of effort, care and time their partner puts in the relationship.

[Asker]

They didn't chose to ignore certain rights. It all began in the bronze age where humans actively engaged in war with each other. Men were more fit for war so they were feed most of the protein which cause them to grow even more than women. Women we set as caregivers because of war, not biology. We evolved from that point always keeping women on that spot. They never had a choice.

Men were shamed if their wife's worked. I kid you not in my country there were fliers, this is factual, that said "a working wife is a cheating wife". It was not socially acceptable for them to work. They could do some low paying jobs, but it was rare that they were hired. And certain jobs were simply off limits salve very few exceptions.

The mask study was an example. And wrong the study I saw stated that they were useless. Still they are used by the medical community. You saw another that says they don't work for viral spread and yet most doctors keep pushing their use by the population.

Both gender are equally shallow. I agree. But to say women are more or that the super high standards we are told they stereotypically have are true is ridiculous.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Okay, are you reading what I have written? Women could and did have bank accounts and could and did take out loans. The only group that could not do that is MARRIED women because by law, a man could be arrested for his wifes debt as he was legally responsible for her. So again, I have addressed this and what you have stated is inaccurate.

As for divorce, agian, this was addressed. They divorced because by law they get to have all the advantages, they gain everything and lose nothing. If we did not have alimoney and if child support/child custody did not overwhelmingly favor women, we would not have sky rocketing divorces initiated by women. Again, I have already addressed all of these points if you just go back and read my comments.

As for your last comment that is factually incorrect. Men are geneticly bigger and stronger then women, that is why they where the ones who lost their rights and where forced to go to war against their will because they where seen as both stronger because they where, and also disposable because they where (one man can impregnate many women, one woman can only get pregnant once every nine months and then have years of dependency for that child. If you wish to ensure the surivival of the species, the one to sacrifice is men not women, and that is precisely what we have done for all of human history no exceptions.).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yes, men where shamed if their wife worked. . . by women who prefered to stay at home (which again, all scientific and sociological evidence shows to be the case). At no point have I said anything that is not backed by scientific fact. Men where also shamed if they could not provide for their wife. We use shaming for social pressure to push people to conform to behaviors that are seen to be beneficial. This is why women shamed men who where cowards or who didn't join war efforts and why society shamed men who where beaten by their wives (riding the donkey backwards as it was called), why men who beat their wives where publically flogged (last public flogging that occured in the US was in 1953 if memory serves and it was for domestic violence), why men who are lazy are shamed etc. etc.

[Asker]

Yes they could if they had a men with them. Brother, husband or other. Alone they couldn't up to 1970 and something. This is factual.

Since majority of father's doesn't even fight for the child who do you expect to receive child support?
The reason divorce skyrocketed is not because suddenly they got only advantages out of it. It was because they could leave shitty marriages and not end up on the streets.
I read your comments doesn't mean they are accurate.

Yes they we are stronger and the need to go to war caused most of the meat to go to us and made the difference even bigger.
Women also lost their place on society due to this. They were considered lesser. And all fine as long as we talk about war, but over time humans transported that ideology to society and households too. Which is fucked up. We are superior to go to war due to being physically stronger. Doesn't mean we are better at literally anything else than they are.

By women? No, BY THE STATE! Those flier were put out at a time my country was under a dictatorship and literally nothing came out with the state approval. Those flier were put out by the regime not women.

Even today, more men shame other men for showing their emotions and be stay at home father's than women do.

Beating your wife was actually considered a constitutional right in the US until feminism showed up. But not just there, in Europe too beating your wife was normal.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Everything you have stated is not just catagorically false, but provably so. I have presented you actual scientific evidence and you refuse to accept it, I could spend hours more going through the data and showing you historical documents, showing you more scientific papers, but you will never listen because its easier for you to believe in a fairy tale then the much less pretty truth. The fact is men and women are both shallow, this is a biological fact which again, I have proven and provided evidence for (you have argued against it but provided nothing to refute my evidence), but culturally because of people like yourself, women are not called out when they are shallow which has allowed them to get ever more shallow and absurd with their expectations because people like yourself keep putting them on a pedestal and claiming (whether you admit it or not) that they can do no wrong and that they are perfect princesses who's bowl movements smell of roses. This is simply not reality.

[Xoxocutekitty]

Yes and no. I do think there is truth to every stereotype, and I think in instances of dating, both genders are guilty of going through a playing the field/ loving the chase phase.

When a woman is young and hot, she may demand superficial things like 6' tall or defined abs same way a guy might demand she have a certain color hair/complexion or visually significant waist to hip ratio 'to be attracted.'

As we get older and realize that people are overrated we become more selective with deeper things like personality, values, humor, and lifestyle habits.

A D is a d and a V is a v. There's a happy medium where you don't feel like you've 'settled for an uggo' and but have also come to terms with realizing that your partner isn't the hottest you could have gotten if you had stayed single for the next 1, 5, or 10 years.

There comes a point when superficial things like looks or how much they make aren't more important than coming home to hugs, a hot meal, and laughter on a rainy day. There's no magical age where that happens.

[backblueblack22]

Well some guys do go full incel. However just look at what kinds of topics women post on GAG vs. men. Usually it’s from women who are already in relationships vs. single/frustrated guys.

Also I’ve seen women post some heinously selfish crap on here. I just saw a girl post (like today) that short guys should be “bred out” of society. I’ve seen several women admit to cheating on here and have no shame/remorse about it. But instead they were looking for affirmation. I’ve seen several women also admit how they like exploiting “nice guys”. Of course they don’t word like that but I’m not stupid about why they are doing.

Also many women snicker and balk at male complaints about dating. Many of them assume dating is the same way for guys as is it for them. It’s sure as hell not. Especially in modern society men face very unique challenges. However I have met a minority of women on here who “get it” and I’m thankful for them.

Anyway being a bitch never helps. But let’s be honest. Women can openly complain about men, show their emotions and not lose face. Men don’t have this luxury. At least not to the extent women do. But that male frustration needs to be released somewhere. It might be released positively through exercise, hobbies and work. But it also is released self destructively via porn, alcohol, drugs, taking risks, gambling, video game obsession, etc.

Anyway there is a reason why you see so many jaded guys venting anonymously on GAG. We do write more and engage more.

[garykingg]

Some men out there actually really want to be someone in the future, and leave behind a legacy of their own.

Some men out there believe that if they aren't their best self they won't actually get a girl. It sounds stupid but guys like me believe that if we don't become our very best selves we shouldn't get the woman cause they can always find a better person out there.

So we continue to stay single by choice until we archive our goals and they we would start to date, in your mid 20s once we become successful and stable.

Some men do take relationships seriously not just hookups. We exist but we aren't available for dating at the moment.

Most of the time we aren't blessed with good looks or tall (5'10), so we need to be successful in order to be worthy. That's just how it is.

[SupremeWarlord]

I'm giving up on this "women high expectations blablabla" type of bullshit, just focus on being the best version of yourself possible, don't blame women if they think you are unworthy of them.

And don't fool yourself, average secure job is better than being poor of course, but rich guys are still ahead of you, there's no point in trying to deny this. But of course, once you're settles on a relationship, your girlfriend won't leave you for the first guy "richer", "taller", "whatever" than you that appears in front of her, but if she actually does that I agree, it hurts A LOT, it proves she was a shallow bitch, but other than that you should just strive to be the absolute best on your own terms.

[witness1]

As a person, who takes regular polls on the subject with around 60 to 90 people per year, for 10 years now, I can quite safely state the following:
Men are attractive if they have a good sense of humor (most important), are active (sports etc), aren't stupid (intelligence, not education per se) and are taller...
Everything else is highly individual taste.
So I'd say sharing the same humor is the best foundation for anything.
But money always helps, because it promises a carefree future.

[PinkMichae]

I don't think it's made up in their heads because women with those high expectations do exist. But where they go wrong is thinking that's how the majority or all women think.

You are right that most women are just fine with what you said in place of the stereotypes that men think.

[Chthou95]

Majority do think that way. It's not a fairytale

[PinkMichae]

Obviously I said it wasn't in your guys head which means I don't believe it's a fairytale. But I disagree it's the majority of women that expect all those things. If it were all the women in my life and I would have pursued and ended up with rich tall men. In most cases they built a life together to get to a better financial status.

One of my friends and I ended up with guys our same height and definitely not rich. Actually we struggle financially. There was only one woman in my life that pursued a man because of the things he could give her. He was rich. What she learned is when you get with a man with expectations of things like money, you can bet he's going to have expectations of you too. And he did. She learned her lesson and works her butt off along with her now postman husband to have the nice things they have.

And if women you've dated has been that way your picker is off. Or your dating women part of the same superficial circle.

[Chthou95]

Doesn't matter where they came from, most women think the same to me

[PinkMichae]

That may be your downfall when it comes to love.

[Chthou95]

Its what i see. a lot of other men see this too. Women's standards are rising and more and more men will be single for a long time

[Sue_Free]

No. There are definitely women whose expectations are high, too high to even realize it. And they would put themselves on a pedestal saying they're not high maintenance, but their criteria must-have list has over 30 things mentioned.
But there are also plenty of us who don't have these expectations. For example, I don't need you to be taller than me.

[Chthou95]

You're rare. As a matter of fact, you're very rare

[Sue_Free]

@Chthou95 Maybe I'm just weird

[Chthou95]

Yeah probably. That's out of the norm

[Sue_Free]

@Chthou95 I don't understand why a guy has to be taller. It's not like we're going to get attacked by a wild animal anymore

[Chthou95]

Ask other women that

[Sue_Free]

@Chthou95 I saw one mention that it makes her feel less feminine. It sucks, the mindset can be changed, but not the height

[SupremeWarlord]

Just asking, do you really find height completely irrelevant? Or do you prefer short men?

Because when a woman is dating a shorter man it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't care about height, it might mean that her short boyfriend had other qualities that outweighed his shortness. That's why I don't lose my head over my height, it's not the only thing that makes up my person.

[Sue_Free]

@SupremeWarlord I prefer shorter. They're easier to hug, I can wrap my arms around him easily. And I love having his head rest on my chest

[SupremeWarlord]

@sue_free Interesting, but there you go, tall guys will think you're being unfair to them based on this, since you have a preference based on height.
You're an unusual case indeed.

[Sue_Free]

@SupremeWarlord "low" expectations hihi wink wink nudge nudge -Sorry.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

I make 10k more than my regional median income, I’m built really damn well but I don’t cut, I know how to both make and fix things, I’ve got disposable income and multiple vehicles, I have hobbies and interests. You know what I don’t get? The attention of attractive single women. Why? Because women are completely unrealistic in their standards and what they can get for more than one night. I’ve been back burnered by a few chicks but I’m the past 3 years I’ve had dates with 5 chicks and sex with one a few times.

The issue isn’t men and women will figure it out in a big way in the next couple years.

[Asker]

I have an idea of why you don't get attention of attractive single women and that is not why.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Say what you want but back in the day I went out with about 200 women in the course of 2 years, I’ve been engaged twice, and both of my serious girlfriends have been highly desirable women.

[Asker]

Do you think that mabybe your personality is the issue?

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Considering I've been engaged to two models and have numerous attached women flirt with me on a regular basis, probably not. If I made a real effort to meet women where they're known to go when they're looking I'd be able to pick up a couple different women a week or month, but I don't meet women at bars, clubs, or music venues because I'm not looking for a quick fuck. I'm looking for a relationship.

I'm sure that my personality is unattractive to some or many, but those aren't the women I'd be seen in the same room with let alone the same bed with; I'm sure many women find your personality repulsive as well. This is just how things are, most women aren't attracted to most men and they'll find any excuse to justify it.

[Asker]

Who you date and who you fuck are not the same people. That is valid for guys and girls.
Maybe you are the type they fuck, not the type they date.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Believe it or not, I've considered that. I've actually spent hours wondering if getting what I can get is worth giving up the chase of what I want. I've come to the conclusion that when I find the right woman it will all be worth it, if I don't, something great will still come from my efforst.

[Asker]

Deeply that's what we all wish for.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

I'd be willing to bet there are men that genuinely don't want to get married, but that's definitely not the norm. But I think most men just want a reasonable woman to be with for a long time.

[Ninjazzed]

No woman is ever going to marry this dickweed because most women have zero respect for ego-filled misogynists.

Ask yourself why a woman would choose YOU.

I have a feeling you’re shooting way out of your ballpark, most men using dating apps do. I highly doubt you get any luck in “clubs” or “bars” so to speak because that’s not exactly an ideal place to meet marriage material.

You don’t have to go for the undesirable but don’t expect every model looking woman to want to commit to you just because you two had sex, especially if you aren’t a model looking man.

Have you ever considered that maybe those high value women are out there and they're chasing HVM?

You forget that women are people too, not a list of bullet points to assuage your ego.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

@Ninjazzed you sound upset. Is it that time of the month for you?

[Tiptoetamm]

I think so because I'm not afraid to approach a man and i have friends who do the same. I really just want a guy to say hi to me. You want some coffee or something and start from there build organically. My best relationship was my best friend we were friends for months before we had sex of course it was there, but one day he approached me and wanted to make it official. He did it in the sweetest way to do i totally fell for it haha. We were together 3 years

[nella965]

You’re the only honest guy on here.
I would totally have to agree

by the way you’re gonna piss off a lot of insecure misogynists on here. Get ready for a beating

[Asker]

Trust me they were the ones who got a beating.

[Hallo626262]

Non of this makes any sense. They wouldn't even exist if that shit was true. Women obviously have way higher expectations. Are you retardet?

[nella965]

@Hallo626262 you don't even have a dating life, how do you know that?

[Hallo626262]

Ok Cutie

[Anonymous]

No. They're very much informed by what they've experienced from women. I think across the population there are guys whos understanding will undershoot or overshoot women's expectations, but they are real -- not to mention that it's not a single expectation either, it's the mean of a varying set of expectations and so inevitably different women are going to vary from the trend as well. But the problem is the assumption on the part of women that it's reasonable to be mad when guys don't meet expectations at the outset. The chances are that men are going to get it wrong, so it's unreasonable to get mad about it. Then considering women don't have similar expectations placed on them by men, that's what makes it seem especially high and unreasonable.

[Asker]

Get mad about it? Did you ever experienced that?

[Opinion Owner]

Yes.
And there's no shortage of it on here or the rest of the internet.

[Riley000]

I blame all the romantic novels and romcom movies and dramas.

It's cute and funny but it's secretly telling you how a romantic date or relationship should be, without you knowing... if you want a relationship to work, both parties must put effort.

I try to avoid those genre... Prefer watching horror movies.

[zagor]

I don't think it's so much the romantic stuff as the fact that, with TV and the internet, you can see very attractive, very appealing people in your living room all the time. In the old days, ie pre-WW I, most people only saw the people who lived in their vicinity.

[hahahmm]

No... It's due to a lot of simp males giving too much attention to women who haven't earned that so then the woman thinks she's worth way more than she is. She believes that if she gives zero he needs to give her the moon.

But there's also lots of men who put in zero into being a good man but expect a quality woman to magically appear in his lap.

[Asker]

That doesn't represent most women. Some for sure.

[hahahmm]

Not sure it matters... if every time you walk out of your door someone tries to mug you then you'd be wise to take defensive steps. Likewise a lot of guys have taken defensive steps against badly behaved women. Maybe the guy lives in the wrong neighborhood. Maybe western society is the wrong neighborhood.

[Asker]

One just needs to keep his head over his shoulders and look for red flags. That way we filter the bad ones and catch the others.

[djmzes]

Simple

It is caused by both gender and we only talk and never acted and each knows in which category we falls.

It takes courage and wisdom to do what is right in relationship as most of the time, it means to be honest, humble and drop ego which most of us cannot do it.

[Mofunfour20]

No, it comes down to female biological nature. Men are stronger so they seek a good fighter for protection. Men can work longer hours because were stronger, 35% more muscle mass than women. Theyre expectations are high because theyre all insecure. Its a man's world because success is predicated on hard work, and responsibility. A woman wouldn't fully understand what the world expects from men because they are not men

[Asker]

Female nature? Dude in 1/3 of today's relationships women make more than their partners. That "they need to be protected" crap got old by at least a generation now. They care more about what you bring to the table as a person, because the rest they got.

[Mofunfour20]

Women like that dont count to me because most women that make more than men still expect men to be a good provider. They're basically taking the financial position of a man. What man in his right mind would be attracted to a LDR with a woman that looks down on him?

[Asker]

A good provider as in "has a job". Having a job is the bare minimum.
Making more money isn't a men thing and women don't look down on men who make less than they do.

[LiveOne]

"They're basically taking the financial position of a man."

This is EXACTLY why a lot of women are hesitant to date a man who earns less than them, and it's odd how you didn't even realize it. Men who think that women who earn more than them are "looking down on them" and feel emasculated by it is why a lot of them want a man who earns more, so that he DOESN'T feel that way without risking her own income. They do this so they don't have to deal with an insecure man who will resent them for earning more.

[hahahmm]

Science has shown that women don't handle stress anywhere near as well as a man. That is also a key difference. Modern women try to cope with the stress by drinking too much, pills, therapists and such. As far as asker's comment: "that "they need to be protected" crap got old by at least a generation now. " Oh, tell that to all of the woman who get groped/raped because they were walking down the street by themselves and thus easy prey. Yes, women can kid themselves into thinking they're as strong as men & movies today sell that lie too but the reality is that any male over age 11 can beat down 99.9% of women with 1 hand.

[Asker]

@hahahmm I used to think like you until a guy here told me to find a single study that proved that women are more emotional than men. I did a google search convinced it would take 5 min to find. Actually couldn't find a single one.

If we are going to argue that women need protection because they get groped on the street, most victims of violent crimes are men. So I guess we are the ones who need protection on your logic.
Sure men are stronger, but I am a muay thai fighter and I can tell you that I have seen experienced girls beat the living shit of amateur guys that arrive at the gym convinced they will beat them just because they are girls.
Yes we are stronger, but it's not wise to underestimate them.

[Asker]

@hahahmm But speaking of science have you seen the update?

[hahahmm]

@asker. I didn't say "emotional"... I said they don't handle stress as well. I doubt anybody is going to do a study on if women are more emotional because 1.) it's very subjective... unlike stress level. 2.) it's a politically charged question. Feminists have been raging for decades about how women used to always be called "emotional" to dismiss them. Anyhow just google and you'll find lots on women's stress... like "Compared to men, women tend to experience more fluctuations in their hormones than men do, which can make women far more vulnerable to stress."

[Asker]

@hahahmm actually it is connected. The way those studies were conducted was exactly by measuring brain activity when put under certain stimulus. So it's not subjective. Among other things they looked for the activation of areas in the brain related to, you guess it, stress.

What they notice is that while male and female brain they had the same response rate the areas that reacted were different.
In other words, men succumb to anger much easier and women to anxiety.

[VanillaSalt]

I think yes women’s expectations are too high. I’m short and somewhat fat but otherwise healthy and strong. I work hard and make good money. But none of that matters because I’m limited to online dating. In online dating all that matters is the picture.

[ThatNoUVAtYourEyes]

Generic stereotypes - most certainly.
Made up by men? I don't know - I would think 'made up by their mothers' - or by the society as a whole (there are about 20% of people who give themselves not only the right, but the serious duty - of deciding and arranging what 'makes sense' - they typically do it to hide their failures and evil dos - otherwise all this relating and dating stuff is very very easy and natural (like animals do - think of puppies in a cot or similar - they simply feel affection, show it, and live it, without worrying about any judgement by anyone - how you feel is how you do).
Of the 20% of nasties, I would say half are transgender and out to have their revenge for it by ruining as many lives as possible to the maximum extent possible (that admiration for emotional devastation and being a 'heartbraker' some (usually older) people promote as worthy of admiration)

[Anonymous]

Some people say it is female nature or biology. If women have high expectations due to her nature and biology, why do you hate on her then? Hate on biology then.. Do you want her to change the biology? I dont understand this logic.
I think prefering tall men is the same as prefering young women because both young women and tall men are the minority. Many men prefere young women in my experience and so i dont understand why they would complain about women who prefere tall men.
It is also does not matter if anyone has high expectations. You can't force people with high expectations to change themself. It is their life and their problems. Yes it may be unrealistic for average looking people to have high expectations but in the end it is their problem. Why would anyone care so much about it.

[Chthou95]

An asteroid needs to hit us already

[Opinion Owner]

Why because biology and evolution is sexist? You can't do anything. Females seek for good looking males since good looks means good health. So females want the best genes for their offspring. HOWEVER, we are humans and we dont have to blindly follow our instincs although having sex, eating food etc is also an instinc

[Opinion Owner]

I dont know

[Opinion Owner]

Why do anyone care about it. I would not give a f if a man has unrealistic expectations. It is their life.

[fonduegirl]

Not really, it's exaggerated. Women indeed have too many expectations from their partners - complicated ones like "he should be sweet enough to give me his hoodie but firm enough to tell me when I'm behaving rashly"... The rich one, especially, all women would enjoy if their partner were to fly them off to Paris on a weekend getaway, but there aren't many who would hold it as a standard.

[Ryfyle]

I wouldn't want to date anybody who thinks that going off to Paris in this day and age is a good Idea.

[fonduegirl]

Any particular reason behind this? Do you hate french or something?

[fonduegirl]

Is it covid?

[Ryfyle]

Have you seen whats going on in France? Like five years ago they had a disastrous Islamic Terrorism attack and they still do from time to time. Other than that, the place is a complete shithole for a various migrant related reasons. Lastly there is great amounts of Social unrest and going into Paris now would be like going to it during the French Revolution. Anybody who knows anything about whats going on in this world knows this.

[fonduegirl]

What about tourism?

[Ryfyle]

Practically dead right now due to looming civil Strife.

[fonduegirl]

Ah I see.

[Ryfyle]

Belize would be the far better choice.

[MrMilti]

No, many women really care about those 6ft, because they like you to still be taller than her when she wears her heels.

And most women will tell you, they expect the man to earn at least 1.5x times of what she earns.

Of course this is not ALL women, but a large amount of them. Just watch freshandfit podcast, thats really an eyeopener.

[Chthou95]

That podcast is amazing. So many truth bombs that a lot of people won't want to accept

[rjroy3]

Agree on the minutia, but they're talking about generalities because that's all you can do practically. It would be disingenuous to say there aren't a lot of girls out there who have their lists of disqualifiers for guys.

[Arabella_Rose]

how about someone tell you that you shouldn’t expect to date pretty women, but the average plain Jane , looks like a 5/10 with small tits and ass?

I think that a woman’s standards are based on what she can manage to get. A beauty with a great career who makes 6 figures , is not gonna settle for a guy who is not rich , not good looking. On the other hand , less attractive or less accomplished women , will have no problem settling for a guy who is not a hunk , not 6 ft tall, not rich.
so if a woman as high expectations, she
CAN AFFORD those high expectations.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Men don't. Men's standards are based upon what he can get. If you look the ideal female body according to men is actually heavier then the ideal female body according to women. The average pornstar is average looks, average size, average height, c cups and brunettes i. e. average in every way.

As for women settling, well yeah of course. Of course women who cannot get a six foot tall guy are going to settle for less. That doesn't mean that every woman wants a guy who is taller, above average in looks, and wealthy, it just means she can't. These things are far more important to a woman then it is to men who have to work a lot harder to get a relationship and thus are more likely to be happy with less compared to a woman.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn it’s no different for men. You never see a hot guy with an ugly fat woman

[hellionthesagereborn]

You do. I mean I would agree that in general people date their level of attractiveness, but in general women are far more demanding then men are (study showed that women found 80% of men where "below average" in attractiveness. Thats not even statistically possible. For men they found that men on average found women where average (exactly as one would expect).

The issue is we have created a situation that has artificially inflated women's percieved value. Men will lower their standards for casual sex, women raise theirs for casual sex. This results in women thinking that they are more attractive because they have managed to have sex with more attractive guys then them, thus skewing their perception of their actual value (also why a lot of these women end up miserable and single (among many other things) who engage in this behavior is because they think they are higher up on the totem pole then they are and refuse to date men in their own level.

The other issue is dating websites, men are the ones who chase women, dating websites bring thousands of men to women and their tends to be fewer women on those sites creating an artificial demand for those women their allowing them to date guys that are higher up then them (some are shy or not socially apt so they use dating websites) thus artificially inflating their percieved value.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn Men are more picky on looks while women are more selective in terms of everything from personality to finances to relationships with their family members.

[Arabella_Rose]

There are evolutionary reasons behind it

[Birdlegs]

Not exactly I’ve seen multiple interviews of women who say they want the moon and the stars in a man but they bring nothing to the table besides being attractive

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs evolutionarily , men prioritize looks the most when it comes to searching for mates. This is because younger women tend to have healthier offspring.

Women prioritize finding a partner who was loyal and a decent provider. Women are evolutionarily more picky because selecting the wrong mate can have terrible consequences for her offspring. This is why women are more selective and have more criteria in terms of personality , character , financial stability, how he gets along with her family.

There is a saying:

“Women fall in love with what they hear, men falL in love with what they see”

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs

you need to understand that modern women are picky because for the first time ever in history , women do not need men. Nowadays a woman does not need a husband to have kids. She doesn’t need a man to raise her kids either. She can AFFORD to be picky

[Birdlegs]

Being picky and requiring a man to make 6 figures minimum because you’re pretty are two completely different things.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs people have the right to be picky, if they want. if I’m a highly successful woman who has a prestigious career , why would I settle for someone who makes less than half of what I make?

Some people may just also be shallow but hey, there’s shallow people everywhere. Just like there are men who won’t date women over 30 years old. You can’t get rid of these types

[Ryfyle]

Ah yes the Career Wine Aunt.

[Birdlegs]

That’s different women tend to prefer men that’s their “level” or above so yea if a woman makes 6 figures it would make sense to want a man who does also. I’m talking more the girls on onlyfans who think they deserve or could even get a man who makes hella money just because they’re attractive

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs An attractive woman has something to bring to the table , which is hot sex. If she wants a rich guy and the rich guy wants the sex with the hottest girl ever , then why shouldn’t they be together?

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs shallow people will always exist. Complaining about them won’t eradicate them.

[Birdlegs]

ain't nobody complaining I’m just saying having standards and expecting the moon and the stars in exchange for nothing are two completely different things

[Arabella_Rose]

@Birdlegs some people are like that. They rather stay single than settle for someone

[ChiTown33]

And this is why I'm single lol. " I want my man to have this, this, and this". I didn't always have financiL security. And there's no guarantee especially if I marry that I'll have it forever. So why would I want to get married someone that only wants me when the chips are up? no thank you I'm find alone. Lol

[hellionthesagereborn]

Actually no. Studies have shown that women are just as picky about looks as men are. For men looks matter, for women looks matter but so does height, status, and wealth. I'm not criticising women, I'm merely pointing it out. Obviously their are biological reasons for it but women have gotten to the point where they are no longer keeping everything in check (generally speaking). Men may want a physically perfect woman, but that doesn't mean he won't appreciate a woman who isn't because his expectations are relatively in line with reality, but for women that is no longer the case (it use to be but isn't anymore). I think we need to point out that women are in fact human, that they are as shallow as men are, and we should recognize the mechanisms that cause them to choose the men they do so that they can choose more wisely (many women misconstrue being an asshole with being confident and it usually bites them in the ass. They seem similar at first but are not.) and men can understand women and not get angry when women claim to care about personality but then clearly ignore personality, to care about a guy being a nice guy but then consistently ignore said nice guy.

Ignoring these things helps no one and hurts every one, that was my point.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for the claim that women don't need men, that is factually incorrect. What we have in society now, is a government that steals from men to give to women. Women need men, they build your house, your plumbing, your electricity, they provide you your resources and protection, they are the ones producing so we have welfare programs used predominantly by women etc. The difference is now that the government is an intermediary, women don't have to give a fuck about men, they just need to care about the government who will force the men to obey and give up their incomes and resources so that they can give it to women (and in turn get their vote). Though this is causing a massive degredation in society as fewer men are marrying, more men are checking out of society so productivity, marriage, and population growth are all dropping rapidly and why women are statistically far unhappier then at any other point in history. Women have evolved to raise children, not to work jobs, to be provided for not to make their own incomes, to be protected not to fend for themselves. As a result of abandoning traditional relationships and interactions with men, both men and women have become increasingly less happy and society has suffered as a result.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

Looks matter wayy more to men than women

Rich women like rich men, and rich men like slender women

men with more education also had stronger preferences for female partners who were “good looking” and slender, whereas this was not a concern for women

www.google.com/.../rich-women-like-rich-men-and-rich-men-like-slender-women-2015-09-28

[hellionthesagereborn]

Not really, I've pointed out multiple studies showing that is not true. Historically it may have been true but it isn't now.

www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html
www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study

[Asker]

Today everyone cares about looks and financial situation of their future partner.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn There are multiple studies that have proven that evolutionarily men look for the youngest , most fertile women. While women look for men who are the best, capable providers for their offspring.

Why do you think dating statistics show that most men prefer dating and marrying younger women?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Never said that men don't care about looks, I just pointed out that men are less fickle then being presented and women are far more fickle then what they try to present themselves as, as the data I have provided shows. No one is arguing that men don't like attractive women, the issue is your trying to argue that women don't like attractive men, and that is where the issue lies. I'm saying men like attractive women and women like attractive men, your arguing this is not the case when we know that it is (again, I presented the studies).

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn Evolution has that men prioritize looks while women prioritized money. I don't think anything you say would ever change this fact.

[Hallo626262]

Eww you are a disgusting piece of trash. You aren't accomplished you are treated as a kid and therefore get everything you want handed to you. Men don't care about women's career it's irrelevant. I hope no men will ever waste money on women again. Only for prostitutes.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Hallo626262

prestigious, successful men care about womens careers. lowly educated men do not tend about a woman's education or career.

[Asker]

@Hallo626262 wouldn't you prefer a doctor over a waitress?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well this isn't a fact, its a stament you have made that is patently false and I have already presented the relevant scientific research that shows that. Sorry, but that is reality. Also you have clearly not spoken to men because again, studies consistently show that men do not care about a womans career, its not a determining factor and never has been.
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S1090513898000087
www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html

[Asker]

@hellionthesagereborn Today it is. Times are changing is that direction.
Of course before men didn't care about what women did for a living when they were not even expected to work outside their homes.
Today men want women who work.

[Hallo626262]

@arabella_rose No only dumb men care about shit like that. Prestigious wtf the wording alone highlights how weirdly you think.

[Hallo626262]

No i wouldn't prefer a doctor. Why would I, I don't care.

[Asker]

@Hallo626262 really? Wow.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

Do you think president of the United States will marry his Filipino maid instead of a highly educated intelligent woman?

Take a look at all the First Ladies of us:

Michelle Obama - successful lawyer
Laura Bush - prolific writer and author
Hilary Clinton - Secretary of State and powerful lawyer
Jill Biden - Phd educator

All these women are wayyy more successful than you.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Hallo626262 dumb uneducated men do not care about a woman’s education or career. Prestigious educated successful men care about a woman’s education and career

Take a look at all the wives of presidents , none of them are stupid or uneducated. All very very smart successful women

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Who the fuck want to come home to a Bitter HR lady? That's like marrying a roommate. Enjoy the bed death , constant stares of contempt, And finding out your awesome career driven wife has been riding the office cock weeks after the honeymoon.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle you would be lucky an ugly girl paid any attention to you.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Caught your attention, didn't I?

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Never met an Office Shrew that didn't hit the wall hard at 25, A marketing Girl that down for some free range dick, Or an Woman in Administration that didn't resent her own husband and children "for holding them back".

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

You did catch my attention , just my negative attention. You got your hopes up , didn’t you?

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Like there's a difference. I hope you cheap wine, and cold nights watching Netflix. You're going to have to do better.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

I would be more afraid of you than of a huge cockroach in my house

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Was that an attempt at a put down? If it was, it's absolutely pathetic, much like your love life. It would be fun to accuse you of being a future Cat lady, but that would be cruel to the cats.

[hellionthesagereborn]

First and foremost you are again, arguing against scientific fact. Second your using ancedotes, most billionaires are not married to doctors or lawyers or what have you, most are stay at home mothers, most are models who have retired, they are not women with careers. Third, Laura Bush, librarian and second grade teacher. Barbra Bush, Homemaker. Rosalynn Carter, college drop out. Melania Trump, Model. Warren Buffets wives, none where particularly sucessful women. MacKenzie Scott, Writer, not much else. etc. etc. etc.

This idea that men are women is rather absurd, our desires are entirely different then women's, we don't look for providers, never have and never will, but if that is something that makes you feel better, telling yourself that this is something that matters when quite literally all data and your own personal experiecnces say otherwise, by all means indulge yourself (though its not going to do you any favors).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Also not sure why you want to insult me, especially since you have no idea who I am so how you could gage my success is beyond me (do we even have the same standards for success? I mean that would be the first question, the second being how would you know how successful I am to begin with (and none of those listed actually did much of anything with their "success" beyond being married to a man far more successful then they ever where so its not only a poor argument, its a poor insult too.).

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn
Laura bush was an excellent writer and an author. Can you be an author?

Rosalyn carter and Barbara bush doesn’t count because women of their era typically didn’t attend college. Women of their time were not encouraged to study or go to school. They were forced to become housewives at a very young age

Melania trump is not a real wife. She’s just a gold digger who married trump because she knew that she couldn’t make a living being a model until old age. She’s not even a real wife. She’s the fakest wife and First Lady you would ever see

It’s not about being a provider , it’s about dating someone who is just as good , smart and capable as you are. Smart People take a lot of Pride in being intelligent and successful. Smart men look down on dumb women, it has nothing to do with money or being a provider.
Elite men will know they are elite and will be looking for more than just a Hot bimbo for a wife.

Also modern men want women who have an education or career or something to prove that she is a competent human being. On GAG, this website is full of misogynists obsessed with the 1950s housewife. But trust me , walk into any large modern city and men will prefer a woman who is educated and has a career.

Recently I was speaking to a modern young man who was looking for a wife. He said a woman who had absolutely no education, career, no money is A WOMAN WITH NOTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE.

Modern men expect women to have jobs and Carrerrs. Misogynists dont

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

I know you are not intelligent or successful because you don’t have any IQ expectations for your girlfriends. I know a lot of educated intelligent professionals. The pattern i have seen is , the more educated and successful he is, the more he will prioritize IQ and education / success in his mates.

The only reason why you don’t know this is because there is a good chance you don’t know of any Highly educated people

[hellionthesagereborn]

She was an author, but like I said, that is a far cry different then saying she was a career woman and that her career was what attracted her husband to her.

As for my IQ, its higher then yours. I was reading the Illiad at age eight, studying religion and culture from across the world. I study anthropology, mythology, theology, folklore and the occult, as well as history and have done so since I was eight (and when I say study I do mean study. I was reading my older brothers college books at eight years of age). On top of that I study material science, astronomy, physics, material science, biology, zoology, chemistry etc. Their are very few subjects I do not dabble in.

As for not having an IQ requirement, at no point did any one suggest that. Also what does IQ have to do with career? Statistically in order to be successful you don't have to be smart, in fact to some degree it can actually hamper your success, what you need to be to be sucessful is persistent. Their are many people with abnormally high IQs who work dead end jobs, they have found that it doesn't actually affect one's occupation or chances of success (but I'm sure you knew that since you have read the studies as I have because obviously your so much smarter then every one else right?).

[hellionthesagereborn]

I also like your argument, you literally stated "they don't count" when presented evidence showing you where wrong (both attended college, both dropped out). Usually people try to word it a little more subtle then that so I guess I appreciate that your blatantly disregarding facts rather then trying to rationalize why your right even though the data shows otherwise (also attending college is meaningless because most people didn't attend college for most of history. Also the first female doctor in the US was in 1850s, so also a poor argument. In addition most women don't want careers as all data shows they prefer to be at home with their families (again, this is a scientific fact, one you will likely dismiss because it doesn't support your narrative (or at least the narrative you where trained to believe in anyway (highly doubt you have ever questioned it so it can't really be your ideology if you have never once questioned it).

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for my desires, I actually do want an intelligent woman, but that is unrelated to whether or not she is a career woman (which most men do not want, and those that think they do end up regretting it (again, scientific studies and all (ones you will dismiss as you have dismissed all the rest)). I also don't hold that as the utmost importance as her other traits also matter. If she is an awful person, it doesn't matter how intelligent she is, she is not going to make a good mate or mother. Those traits need to be factored in and carry a lot more weight then you seem to realize. I don't want to marry a man who I have to compete against I want a woman.

[hellionthesagereborn]

the problem is as I have alluded to, is that you have been force fed a bunch of things that are provably false. The issue is that because you have been force fed these absurd notions for so long, you don't know how to question them, you don't know how to think outside of the frame work that others gave you (one would argue that this is a sign of low intelligence but I would say is just an example of brainwashing). Every study shows men do not care about a womans career, period. Every study shows looks matter to women, period (they may not be the be all end all, but they very much matter). Every study shows that traditional relationships in traditional roles bring the most happiness to men and women, period (their is a reason why women are consuming record numbers of anti depressants and a record number of women report being unhappy. Statistically women in the 50s where happier then the woman of today.). The fact is your just upset because your ideological frame work has failed you and your starting to see that so now your panicking. Reality is setting in and your terrified that its been all for nothing. So instead of changing and adapting you have decided to go with investment bias i. e. you have come this far with this ideology and invested so much into it that it must be true because you cannot handle the thought that all of your efforts where wasted so your going to keep going down this path even if (or when) it destroys your life. That is why your angry, that is why you are insulting me and others despite the fact that I never insulted you and presented you with scientific data to prove my point. Its because your afraid and you need to destroy me the messenger because you cannot destroy the reality that the message is showing you.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

Take a look at all our recent first ladies. There are none of them that are dumb or uneducated. Except for the fake wife melania.

First ladies from 100 years ago weren't as educated as the more recent ones. why? because women were not encouraged to obtain higher education in 100 years ago. Women were forced to become housewives. These women were housewives and nothing else.

I work with a ton of intelligent, educated professionals. I can tell you that the smarter and more successful the person is, the more he is gonna want someone similar to his own status.

It has absolutely nothing to do with money or being a provider. Elite people know they are elite and they know they deserve something better.

The fact that you do not understand this, it shows that you are not an elite person.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

Women are happier working careers than becoming housewives. 100 years ago, a woman's only way to survive was to get married because she didn't have an education or career. Back then, most women were not offered a chance for a higher education. But nowadays, women are choosing to go to college (there are more women in college than men), instead of marrying someone to feed them.

Housewiving is a choice. There is a reason why most women nowadays aren't housewives.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

Modern young men have different expectations from men during the 1950s. Modern young men are looking for more than a body with a vagina to pop out babies. Modern guys are looking for someone who shows that she is a competent, capable human being. Not a woman who couldn't succeed in life, still lives with mommy and daddy by the time she is 35 years old, can't feed or support herself.

An education , career is seen as something that proves that a woman is competent in intelligence , work ethic, capability.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah none are stupid or uneducated except for the one who is married to the politician you don't like, and also all the other ones that don't count because they don't fit the narrative your trying to tell. I also listed off a bunch of wives of a bunch of powerful and rich men who didn't fit your narrative structure which you have now decided to ignore. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you trying to rationalize your position by cherry picking information to sooth your anxiety at the thought that you might be wrong and going down the wrong path.

But again, as I said scientific studies consistently find what your saying is false so. . . thats not going to change. Also Michelle Obama was not particularly smart, not sure why you would make the claim (have you heard her speak? Not exactly a bright woman). Also again, you have failed to explain how career equals intelligence, if that is the case then trump is brilliant because he is a billionaire and he was president (but I'm sure you will disagree with that assesment). It would also mean that Abraham Lincoln was an idiot because he never actually went to college or had any formal education. Neither did Bill gates technically, he dropped out (as did Steve Wozniack). See, here is how you can tell when an ideological belief is doing the talking vs. the facts, its the consistency, or lack there of that shows what is happening. Your ideological views are talking because your choosing some examples and ignoring others, ignoring scientific papers, claiming career equals intelligence but not in the cases you don't want it to etc. etc. Its all over the place.

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

so why have all recent first ladies been very highly intelligent, successful women?

the president / politicians/ lawyers are usually rich surrounded by maids. why don't you see him marrying his maid or a girl who works at McDonalds rather than a lawyer?

[Arabella_Rose]

@hellionthesagereborn

do you know president john f kennedy dated marilyn monroe , before he married jacqueline kennedy?

he dumped Marilyn Monroe and opted to marry jacqueline kennedy because jacqueline was educated, well read, highly intelligent. He and Jacqueline had plans to change the world and they enjoyed discussing books together. He saw jacqueline as a step above marilyn monroe.

jacqueline kennedy was a famous and highly successful author /writer /editor.

[aliali8]

@hellionthesagereborn

Assortative mating is the idea that people marry people like themselves, with similar education and earnings potential and the values and lifestyle that come with them. It was common in the early 20th century, dipped in the middle of the century and has sharply risen in recent years — a pattern that roughly mirrors income inequality in the United States, according to research by Robert Mare, a sociologist at the University of California, Los Angeles.

People are now more likely to marry people with similar educational attainment — even after controlling for differences between men and women, like the fact that women were once less likely to attend college.

www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html

[aliali8]

@hellionthesagereborn

The change is happening internationally, too. In 40 percent of couples in which both partners work, they belong to the same or neighboring income bracket, up from 33 percent two decades ago, according to 2011 data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes 34 countries. Two-thirds have the same level of education.

www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html

[Hallo626262]

@arabella_rose it's called peer pressure. I'm right just look it up.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Hallo626262

only you call it peer pressure because you prefer to marry a dumb wife over a smart one. The rest of all other men prefer smart wives. you're threatened by smart women

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 women choose their husband based on his career. Men biologically don't care at all that's a well studied fact and blantaly obvious. He might want a women of similar education due to peer pressure.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Hallo626262

so why is there statistical proof that people tend to end up marrying those of similar educational / financial status?

[Ryfyle]

"so why is there statistical proof that people tend to end up marrying those of similar educational / financial status?"

@arabella_rose They are typically of the same social Class. Thats it.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle you're the one who said that men prefer marrying those of lower classes or poor women because they like to be providers

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Got a fucking Direct quote on that? I don't fucking see that anywhere. Still salty that no man would even touch your cold fucking sandbox?

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

There is statistical evidence that people tend to marry those of similar educational / social status. Links are above

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Yeah and that's due to Social Class. Correlation is not Causation, and few rise from their social class these days.

[Asker]

@arabella_rose statistically those marriages also last more, when the couples makes similar amounts of money and their age difference is small.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle Statistics also show that married couples of similar educational attainment, age, financial status tend to have longer lasting, happier marriages with less chance of divorce.

so how do you explain that?

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../

A few studies have found a negative effect of greater education on marriage, both historically and today, as well as in international contexts. ... Again, the main effect of education on marriage is on timing, as highly educated women were likely to marry at later ages, but more likely to marry overall.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose you are aware of the extreme Social Stratification in the US, Right? Like you just repeated an elaborate version of what I just said. Then again, you're fucking too retarded to understand what context is.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose How can you stand to be so retarded you merely parrot my one sentence point into a pedantic Short essay? Is that's what a womans career should be, pointless busy work?

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle the evidence goes against you. If men really loved marrying poor women, joe Biden’s wife really would be a Phd educator , she would have been a maid. If Obama really liked poor Uneducated women , Michelle obama wouldn’t have been a lawyer.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

Biden and obama have access to tons of maids , Poor people aren’t hard to find. Walk into McDonald’s and ask out a Cashier. Study at Harvard? There are a ton of bathroom cleaners and janitors there. Why not ask one out?

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Holy fuck, you're replies add nothing to your argument outside what I cleanly stated like 10 replies ago. It's a matter of Social Class for many of these people. Good Christ, Get some dick already, Oh wait you need that to be FDIC insured before you even consider it. Do you dream of being some IVY League Sorority Gold Digger?

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle not everyone has a small dick and big ego that they only marry women who have no education and can’t make any money

Real successful men are not threatened by women with an education and career. Insecure Misogynists like you who are afraid of smart women can steer clear

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Like your concerned with finding a "Real Man". Your looking for a Bank account with a man pathetic enough to give you access to it. Your wasting your time here and not spending your time stuffing your Roth IRA, So I doubt your that successful. Your best years are just melting away and I doubt you can find a Sugar Daddy you can fleece enough to be "Successful".

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose My problem is merely you. You type and act like a smug Gold Digger who just recent got her Pity Associates Degree in "business Management" from your local community college and thinks that alone qualifies as Successful. Your first post was fucking Dripping with Narcissism that I couldn't help but to start shit with the likes of you. Bet you have a <500 credit score.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

Successful educated women do not need to be gold diggers because they already have money. Only broke women without education, skills, career would need to be a gold digger.

Successful educated women can even raise kids without a husband. She doesn't need a man. She can dump you whenever she wants.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose I'm implying that you are far from being one. Single parent homes often raise failures.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

single parent homes where single moms struggle to raise their kids in a poor crime filled neighborhood tend to be the places where kids are fucked up.

Rich privileged kids who get to study at the Ivy League colleges , paino/ karate / ice skating lessons , tons of nannies to care for them 24/7. tend to end up doing well in life

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Failures Beget more failures.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

Someone like you definitely sounds like a failure. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so bitter and sad

Successful women breed successful kids regardless if she’s married or not.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Lol, that Single Mom cope post right there. How can I be sad when I'm having so much fun shitting on you?

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose And with how often you reply, you must be fucking loving this interaction. Practically Addicted to it.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle I’m actually not a single mom. But I really wouldn’t mind being one either.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

Single women can have kids and a family, single men can’t. Continue shitting on women for having the biological clock.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Once again you misinterpret a statement due to your Narcissism, I'm shitting on you alone, but you think you speak for all women. Quite the ego on you.
And for the record there is a well studied correlation between Single mothers raising Criminals. With your Narcissitic ego, I would be surprised if your spawn lasts long enough to be a drain on society. Nothing drags on a career like a needy child and there's always more room in the dumpster for an unwanted infant.
www.brandonu.ca/.../

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle

do you really think an ivy league educated rich kid of a brilliant highly successful single mom is gonna turn out into a criminal? i don't think so.

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose You have no proof of the Contrary and I doubt such a unicorn would exist.

[Arabella_Rose]

@Ryfyle
Right... a rich Ivy League educated child of a brilliant , highly successful single mom would need to rob banks to make a living.

Riiight* sarcasm

[Ryfyle]

@arabella_rose Its not to make a living, its just to feel something. Do you know how few fucking Bank Robberies actually happen, not a lot because its an obvious high risk. You're a fucking moron that prescribes to a bullshit fairy tale. You went from "I nEEz MuH KarEER to GeT MaHN" to "I don't need no man to raise a Tweaker Rapist". I doubt you know what a job is, or that a Career is more than posing in suits in an office setting.

[Hallo626262]

@arabella_rose i never said anything about intelligence. I said men don't care about a womans career. What's so hard to understand about that?

[Ryfyle]

@Hallo626262 She's a moron Cargo Cultists.

[Asker]

@Hallo626262 maybe a generation ago. Today women are expected to work. We don't care if they make 800 or a 1000, but we care if she makes zero. Also let's not fool ourselves if we know she is rich it will be a plus.

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262 @Asker

The more prestigious the man is, the more he will care about a woman's intelligence and career.
The fact that you don't care about her intellect or education or career, it shows your lack of education / prestige.

Statistics show that people tend to marry folks within their educational / financial status.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Quick question, are you a man?

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262

According to this research article , modern women are no longer seeking breadwinners and modern men are no longer seeking housewives.

www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html

Equality in Marriages Grows, and So Does Class Divide

The nature of marriage itself is changing. It used to be about the division of labor: Men sought homemakers, and women sought breadwinners. But as women’s roles changed, marriage became more about companionship, according to research by two University of Michigan economists, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers (who also contributes to The Upshot). Now, people marry others they enjoy spending time with, and that tends to be people like themselves.

“Husbands and wives had different roles in different spheres, so that was the opposites-attract view of marriage,” Mr. Wolfers said. “Today you want people with shared passions, similar interests to you, similar career goals, similar goals for the kids.”

Another reason people are finding mates like themselves is that they are marrying later,
so they know more about their partners’ prospects and increasingly meet at work.

People were least likely to marry those with similar educational backgrounds around the 1950s, according to Mr. Mare’s research, when people married very young. Americans are increasingly able to make their own romantic choices based on personal preferences, free from family or religious expectations, he found.

[aliali8]

@Asker

Its less about money than it is about "leagues". A man might not care about how much a woman makes , but a highly intelligent man will tend want someone of similar intelligence to himself. Its not about money. Its about being elite. Elite men know they are elite. Why would an elite man want an incompetent person?

In real life, if you take a look around, elite highly successful men are almost ALWAYS dating women who usually are intelligent, capable, or somewhat successful.

Like there are leagues for physical attractiveness, there are also leagues for intelligence and success.

Elite men are looking for more than just an incompetent, bimbo with a hot body. Smart successful people look down on lazy, dumb , unsuccessful people.

[Asker]

@aliali8 that article doesn't surprise me.

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262

[i never said anything about intelligence. I said men don't care about a womans career. What's so hard to understand about that?]

Career / intelligence is synonymous. If a woman has a great career, she is likely to be educated, and intelligent. Sure, there are some women out there who are highly educated but don't make a lot of money. But Elite men want elite women. Its not about cash, its about being elite. Smart educated people look down on dumb , uneducated people. They would have nothing in common with the uneducated either.

If you go take a look around the professional world, the overwhelming majority of professionals tend to date people of similar educational / career attainment. Studies have shown that college educated men tend to marry college educated women. People tend to marry those within similar social classes.

[aliali8]

@Asker

Only guys on GAG would say that modern men like to date unemployed women or housewives. In the real world where modern age is, an unemployed woman is a loser or a liability in the eyes of anyone in society.

I recently spoke to a fairly successful, intelligent, male friend who told me that a woman who doesn't have a career, no money, no job prospects is a "woman with nothing to bring to the table".

Modern young men are looking for more than a body to pop out babies. They want a competent person with things to bring to the table.

Quit the GAG 1950s obsession. Its 2021

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 A Great Career in what?

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle you don't look for women with a career because likely you don't even have a career.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 You have no definition of what the Career is in.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 I know it must be great to be a loyal Slave to Big Corporations to have that ambiguous "Career" But actual Successful Men invest. Getting wet over having job, fucking pathetic.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle you can only invest if you make enough money at your job. you can't invest if you make minimum wage at mcdonalds.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 That's where your dead wrong. It's called Social Services. Ride that Welfare coaster until you cash in your divies. Boom 100K net. They're fucking playing you like a fucking chump.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Like fucking Lol. Have you been getting played your whole fucking life? Got Free College from FASFA, Free Healthcare from Medicaid, Fucking Housing Assistance, and Food Stamps. Just enough stuff to get an edge in, handle my life shit, and boom cashed out on my investments and dropped them. Only a dumb fuck liberal moron doesn't know about social services.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

food stamps or welfare won’t make you rich. Welfare and fafsa won’t help you pay your rent. Only people who can make money can invest. Investing $5 dollars every month won’t make you rich.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

Nowadays women work decent paying careers and invest. She doesn’t need a breadwinner or a man to support her. She can date whoever she wants without considering his financial status. She can support her own kids as a single mom if she wants too.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Yeah, I'm going to trust my own experience on that issue. And for the record, Anybody living on McDonald's paychecks or Walmart Paychecks can easily save up a few thousand quarterly if they also get public assistance. And it appears you also can't read past a third grade level, and still have yet to elaborate on just what Career a woman should have. Like a Career is more than just posing in a business suit, standing next to projector screens, and looking important.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

Career women get treated better than you mcdonalds workers.

When I got my first professional job, my employer gave $100 dollars for me and my supervisor to go out and grab lunch so that she can welcome me to the company.

We don’t get paid by the hour either. We get paid based on how much work we Can finish. This means that we can literally not show up to work and still get paid , if all the work was already completed before the deadline

If the employer fires me, I get a benefits package where the employer will pay me another years worth of full salary if I remain unemployed after that.

Minimum wage workers usually get treated like crap by their employers and customers.
Many of you can’t even afford to go on vacation cus you’re so broke

Professionals can go anywhere for vacation. Anywhere we like. We get to drive cars while you take the bus. We get to live in nice cozy beautiful homes while you live in the poor crime filled ghettos with rats. We get to eat great food at nice restaurants while You eat a crappy McDonald’s burger.

We get treated with more respect by our own supervisors too.

We can invest while you can’t. You can’t expect to invest a few dollars a month and get rich by that,

Why do you think so many people around the country are pulling out loans for college? Why do people go to college or go for advanced learning?

[aliali8]

Professional workers tend to be treated better by employers in many ways. There’s no way McDonald’s or subways offer any of these benefits. The more successful you are at a company, the better the health benefits and everything else that goes along with it.

Maybe THe reason why you can’t get any woman is because you have nothing to offer. You don’t have a good personality, You don’t have an education or a good job. Why would any girl go for u?

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

I know of an accountant who demands a salary from his employer due to his vast educational background and experience. If you’re an educated experienced professional , you can negotiate your salary rather than accepting Watever Little 8 dollars an hour your employer wants to give you

This is the difference between someone without an education and someone with an education

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Yeah McDonald's nor Subway offer those benefit, the State does you fucking retard. I'm not going to take you seriously seeing as how you don't know how shit works. You straight up are nothing more than somebody who parrots lines from Cosmo or Slate.

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 you're such a dumb whore. Typical quota woman.

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 You don't even know what intelligence is. Hilarious.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

McDonald’s and subway pays too much for you to even be on welfare. Minimum wage 40 hours a week makes you too rich to be on welfare.

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262

You’re the one who is bitter lonely and single, not me

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Your Extra Fucking retarded if you think they keep people on for full time. Secondly, if your "Too Rich" from that Subway Job, then you can easily invest like a couple hundred a month if your not a retarded.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

Only people who can actually make money can invest. You're gonna have to go without food for two weeks in order to have a couple of hundred left over to invest.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 You clearly lived a pampered life. Sorry you can't have your Starbucks and your Avocado Toast.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle I actually had to work hard to get something better than a McDonald's job. Sounds like you're just looking for welfare handouts your entire life.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle maybe if you work less hours at your mcdonald's job, then you can be poor enough to qualify for some welfare (free money from the government)

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

#poorandlazywelfarebum

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 Can you please not make shit up again you ridiculous fuck. Gosh you are so extremely dumb its so embarrassing.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Absolutely obsessed. Glad to see I touched a nerve. And for the record, I pursue a passion, not a Soulless Career. Secondly, you should learn what context is, then again your Idea of a Career is posing in a business suit around a power point presentation.

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262 of course you would think i am making this up. because you don't know of anyone who is a lawyer or a top notched accountant. This type of stuff is wayy out of your reach.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

nobody is jealous of your cheap mcdonald's burger and your no vacation life.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8
You are straight up Illiterate. Is your Illustrious Career based around Instagram?

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 shut up dumb

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle it’s not based on instagram. I’m actually college educated unlike you.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Good to see they will just print out degrees these days.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle people with degrees get more respect from their employers and also a better life style and more fun

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 You have yet to explain which degrees and what career. You straight up shill buzzwords with no context.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle I have explained so much to you already. You’re still in denial about everything. So I don’t think telling you more info would matter.

Being poor is a choice , not fate

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 A that's a terribly racist and classist statement. Secondly, no you have been pointlessly vague.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

of course it’s racist. If this is racist , you don’t even know what racist means. Not surprising Since you’re so uneducated

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 For all that education, you still miss the basic premise of the argument. What Degree and what Career? A Doctorate in Philosophy is going to make far less than someone with a bachelor's in Computer Science.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 And lets face it Camus and Jung weren't mentioned much at all at in your Diploma Mill for the Mediocre.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle I will repeat this to you again. You're in complete denial about anything I say. Why would it make any difference if I told you what degrees and skills I have?

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

[@aliali8 And lets face it Camus and Jung weren't mentioned much at all at in your Diploma Mill for the Mediocre.]

the funniest part is when even the mediocre can earn a wayy better lifestyle than you. If they are mediocre, what are you?

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Considering that I'm a Welder, Machinist, and Fabricator. I'm essential.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

I only marry guys with genes for intelligence. Trade school are only for those who failed in high school and didn't have the grades to attend college. You do not make that much as a welder either.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 There you go with your racist remarks. You're such a boring individual with no thoughts of your own, why would I put a ring on a fucking stock photo? Guess where I learned how to weld and how to fabricate, At a fucking college. And thats not all, I know a guy who has a masters in mathematics, and he has a GED.
Simply, put your fucking boring. Your somebody who could not discuss Nietzsche or Jung. Your somebody I could never explain why robotic Welding machines produce shit results. Your somebody to enthralled by positions of status and achievements with out understanding why. You are a living Mall mannequin collecting dust.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

then why would a welder be shitting on college educated , financially prosperous people on GAG? the fact that you're so bitter towards college educated professionals shows how poorly educated and poor you are.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Because you defensive and always reply. You're a gullible rube who has never done anything of any real value, and it shows.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

I was never defensive. It was you that was extremely bitter about me being a college educated professional.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle Successful educated people will never feel the need to shit on other successful educated people. Your entire reaction was completely unnecessary and unwarranted.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 "Sucessful" and "Educated" people know when others are fucking with them. You're neither, your an Addict projecting your insecurities onto others. You were given a degree you never earned and your career exists as busy work to satisfy HR. You have made nothing of worth and have no novel thoughts of your own. I exist on a higher strata and see the bigger picture. Your life is a crude facsimile of "success" rendered in construction paper and smeared crayons. Simple and pathetic, your life does not know crippling failure or loss nor the hardening of resolve. The idea of Challenge is beyond your scope.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 You mistake Bitterness for Contempt and Disgust.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 You and your kind are the rats that gnaw on the wheezing, bleeding remain of the American Dream! The Haughty children of the Yuppie parasites that worked hand in hand with the decadent Boomers to pawn off Domestic Industry for one more bump of cocaine. You are filth to me, A disease, a Malignant Tumor on society. You have your ambiguous "Degree" for your enigmatic "Career" working some busy work McJob for the Service industry Vampires. You and your kind are a pox to society - worthy only of disdain.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle you just sound jealous and poor as fuck. It’s not my fault you didn’t do well in school

[Asker]

@aliali8 @Ryfyle are you two done making assumptions about each other? I am sure neither of you is stupid or poor.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Why the fuck would I be envious of someone I just called a malignant tumor? Secondly, if you're going to act like a high society bitch, type like it.

[aliali8]

@asker

I don’t know why so many men are pissed at my post in the first place. Some losers are just offended by the truth. This douche @Ryfyle has been throwing a huge tantrum ever since my post was up

[Asker]

@aliali8 I know many guys are upset over the question. That's one of the reason I made it. Trigger idiots is fun.
About that guy, I didn't read half of your conversation so I have no idea where he stands.
Hey @Ryfyle what do you think of the question?

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Asking for it, Desk Princess.

@Asker Most of those "expectations" are the thought worms of Narcissists who need an excuse for why they are failures. Namely with women.

[Asker]

@Ryfyle so we agree.

Now where did this conversation with @aliali8 started? Where did you guys disagreed?
Because you have been only throwing insults at this point not having an argument.
Was it because she said men want women what have a decent education?

[Ryfyle]

@Asker More like she was backing up AR, and being a snide cunt about it, so I went to work. And seeing as how she never Elaborated on what her fabled Degree or What her career was, I figure it was more Cosmo grade horse shit. A flimsy ideal can't get you everything and being Ambitious is worth far more than A degree. A degree that will leave many stuck with a McJob and thousands of dollars in student loan debt.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

The education-marriage relationship appears to hold even at these higher levels, as rates of marriage amongst middle-aged women with advanced degrees are now higher than for those which just a bachelor’s degree:

www.google.com/.../

In 2015, among adults ages 25 and older, 65% with a four-year college degree were married, compared with 55% of those with some college education and 50% among those with no education beyond high school. Twenty-five years earlier, the marriage rate was above 60% for each of these groups.

www.google.com/.../%3famp=1

[aliali8]

@asker

Even statistics say that educated women tend to Marry more than uneducated women. But the funniest part is , I don’t know why this caused such a huge temper tantrum on here. What is it about this fact that piss people off on here?

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Because your a snobby, obnoxious cunt with a "Childhood Education" Degree.

[aliali8]

@Ryfyle

presenting statistics and mentioning facts does not make me snobby at all

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Statistically, Trump was supposed to loose in the 2016. What happened next? Your bullshit claims hinge on Socioeconomic Stratification, This is more than "marriage" this is about you being a smug, aspiring Neo-Aristocrat.

[Ryfyle]

@aliali8 Your kind are the fucking parasites that are sucking this country dry. Born in to Privilege, you Seek to exploit the everyday working American with your bullshit, just like your Forebears. Rootless Metropolitan Vermin, that will pillage this Country of all its worth than flee like rats to Tahiti or Belize.

[Asker]

@aliali8 I don't think he is fighting stats and facts you are giving he is just fighting you. He is really mad at you for... being a snob apparently.

@Ryfyle can we leave it here? It was funny last week now it's getting old.

[Ryfyle]

@Asker This isn't for your entertainment.

[Asker]

@Ryfyle I know. But it has become for my torment. So either both of you stop. @aliali8 that's for you too or I will have to block you.

[Ryfyle]

@Asker seconly, i'm not just mad, I'm disgusted by that revolting example modern debauchery. Moralizing her decadence while this nation rots. Creatures like her are why 13 Marines died.

[Asker]

@Ryfyle She is just a modern girl that values women's education. If she was nasty to you fuck it. People are mean on the internet that's the rule.

[aliali8]

@Asker,

I was never a snob. If you're gonna shit on me for having a college degree and doing well in life, don't be surprised if I shit on you right back. And no, this is not called being a snob. Just shitting back on some jealous bitches.

[Asker]

@aliali8 I never called you a snob. You don't even seem to disagree on any point. Which is what I thought this was all about, but apparently is just about you two no getting along.
Can we all give it a rest?

[aliali8]

@Asker, I'm preeettty sure you called me a snob at one point.

[Asker]

@aliali8 I did? He did it many times, but I don't think I have.

I literally just scrolled up. You mean this:
"He is really mad at you for... being a snob apparently."
That was me saying why he was mad at you, I didn't said I agreed with him.

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 Cutie pie you only make a fool out of yourself. You sure you are old enough for college?

[nella965]

@hallo626262

I'm pretty sure if you went to college, we wouldn't ever needed to have this argument

[Hallo626262]

@nella965 I go to university. Amusing that that's an achievement to you. It for sure isn't for me.

You just aren't very intelligent, that's why I wouldn't want you. Had nothing to do with your education level though. I mean you are litterally the living example...

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262

If you had attended university, you wouldn't be so angry and bitter about my post.

[Hallo626262]

@aliali8 what? I'm not bitter I'm shocked how one could make these infantile, ridiculous statements.

[aliali8]

@Hallo626262

you are bitter. your comments on here certainly weren't happy.

[Ryfyle]

Fucking LoL! This shit will never end!

[Asker]

@Ryfyle Don't keep this going. We just got another participant and ai will address him now.

@hallo626262 we get it. You all think the other is dumb. You said enough times can we give it a rest for the same of the notifications that just don't stop in this post?

[MzAsh]

Women still sure are putting up with a lot bs from scum bags. I don’t think their standards are nearly high enough in that regard.

[zagor]

Gotta meet high standards in order to have them.

[MzAsh]

Sure, I’m sure they did or the guy wouldn’t have pursued them in the first place.

[Ninjazzed]

Have a decent income that can support a family and be at least somewhat attractive and easy to get along with. That’s literally it.

[Hallo626262]

Lol so you need to be rich. Dumb whore.

[Ninjazzed]

@Hallo626262 Pretty sure that the average household income is $68,703. You don’t have to be rich to build a family, you stupid cunt. Fuck off.

[Ninjazzed]

@Hallo626262 Also how does that make me a “whore” so to speak? Sexist much? Get a life, you poor bastard.

[Hallo626262]

It doesn't make you a whore. I'm just disappointed that women care about money so much. You're 21. Already planning a family? I don't get it.

[Ninjazzed]

@Hallo626262 You called me one literally a day ago from what I recall. Are we deflecting now? How do you think people thrived back then compared to now?

They didn’t struggling having roommates, they got married when they were in their early 20s and made
do. Obviously money is necessary to maintain a family, you narrow-minded jackass. Why else? You expect women to give birth in grass huts? Grow up.

[Ninjazzed]

@Hallo626262 *struggle

[naiomii]

It's little bit true but it's mostly how they fantasies about a relationship, how they want to be treated and how they want to be loved... Which is most of the times not really what you get from a partner

[Anonymous]

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. It's just loser dudes bitching.

[Opinion Owner]

@update: There you go. Proves my point.

[Asker]

I am 100% with you.

[Opinion Owner]

@update Yeah--you don't need a scientific study to figure this out. Just observe the world around you and it's pretty obvious. Ask 10 guys to rank order the attractiveness of 10 girls and you'll get very, VERY similar results. As 10 girls to do the same with 10 guys and the results will have a lot more variance than they do in the first test.

[Chthou95]

No there's truth to it. If you're fat or overweight, you gotta hit the gym because girls only want muscular or fit/lean guys & if you're short, you're gonna have a really hard time trying to find girls who will date you. You also need to have some money & good job. Please tell me you're not a simp

[Asker]

My issue on that sentence "only want muscular or fit/lean guys" is the "only". Sure they like a fir guy, but many guys out there with dad bods have girlfriends.

[Chthou95]

Because they have money and are financially stable lol

[Chthou95]

If they do have girlfriends, most of these guys have to be in their 30s

[Asker]

Not at all. When I was in university many guys with dad bods, were still students so money yet, had girlfriends.
Being average and having a good personality takes you a long way.

[Chthou95]

If you're blue pilled and believe that bullshit yeah sure. But if you're red pilled, you know you need a lot more than a good personality

[Asker]

Good personality is what make the relationship work in the long term.

[Chthou95]

If that helps you sleep at night okay then 👌

[Browneye57]

Correct. We've raised a whole crop of whiny men that don't think they can compete for a girl's attention. And women still loathe weak men, always have, always will.

Are you a dragon slayer? Or a sheepherder?

[Asker]

Define weak.

[Browneye57]

Weak:
Indecisive
Can't lead
Acquiescent
Doesn't go for what they want.
Doesn't convey attraction and desire.
kisses their ass, worships them.
Won't disagree, won't speak up, fearful, intimidated.

Ever see lions fuck? Are you a MAN? or a MOUSE.

[Asker]

That doesn't sound like a partner anyone would like to have. Neither men or women.

[Browneye57]

Right. But how many guys do you know that are like that?
Or they'll sit there and whine about being rejected. They have no game, they look like shit, got a half-baked job making minimum wage, or none at all, drink too much, fuck around too much and think women should cow-tow to them. They have created their own situation.

The bottom line is that the burden of performance is on the man. Women want to be taken care of, entertained, fucked well and hard, and you have to make them laugh. And they want to know you have the means to support them and the 84 children they eventually want to have with you. If you're dead-assed broke you're immediately crossed off the list.

And you gotta have some game. You've got to be able to TALK to women. Social skills are learned. And you have to have irrational confidence. No woman is wowed by a man that has no confidence.

[Asker]

I agree many don't work their ass and they became undesirable because of their laziness.

[Browneye57]

And married men too. They give up the romance part of their relationship, ignore their wife, spend too much time drinking beer on the sofa watching football, or playing video games, doesn't sex her up, doesn't tell her how much he adores her, and doesn't entertain her. She gets way fukkin bored, then shuts down sexually, cheats bails or any combination of these. She goes looking for some excitement, or is open to approach by CHAD THUNDERCOCK.
And then he stands there crying in his beer cuz he thought he did everything right - he did everything she asked for, up to a point, then just called her a nag. He gets his just desserts. And then you hear the famous, "I love him but I'm not IN LOVE with him anymore." And then he has to share custody with her with the kids, and has no control over what strange men she rotates through their home. And teaches the kids he's a deadbeat, they learn to hate him. At least till they grow up.

Nice tricks, huh?

[Asker]

The number one reason for divorce is lack of commitment. Men need to be on top of their game all the time.

[Browneye57]

Well, that has some truth to it, but commitment is just one piece of the puzzle.
What we DO know is that men love idealistically. They will tend to hang in there just hoping things will improve.
Women love opportunistically. As long as they believe their needs are being met they're all in. If they change their mind, which they so often do, if they get bored, or disillusioned, they will shut down sexually, cheat or bail, or any combination of these. Which leave them susceptible to being approched by CHAD THUNDERCOCK. Sometimes she'll even go looking for him.

Need some proof? 75-80% of divorces are initiated by women. They are much more ready and willing to throw in the towel. The terms loyalty and commitment are nebulous terms for the female brain. It is ALWAYS and ALL about their FEELINGS. Which are subject to change at any given moment. Just ask them!! And you'll hear the famous, "I love him but I'm not IN LOVE with him any longer." It's just reality.

[DWornock]

This video indicates otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ONHDmDD8s&t=17s

[Asker]

And that video is law?

[DWornock]

Hardly, because not 100% of women have unrealistic standards. However, the lady is intelligent and since she was a match maker she would have a very good feel for women's expectations.

[Espresso-Grande]

No. Made up by fairytales, romantic movies and novels

[libsaretards]

It depends where you are looking and what YOUR (the man's) standards are. Find someone who matches your standards. Do not shoot too far above or below your own standards.

[Shy_Steve]

I think with this stereotype it's true, It is just because Women try to protect themselves more because they are more use to Guys trying to take advantage of them.

[karaspara]

Yes largely because most women don't insist on these physical or monetary aspects but men who can't pull some hot high maintenance golddigger tarnish all women with the same brush

[somesoul]

We want big dicks and a daddy who earns like hell hahaha. We want hubby to spoil wifey 😜

[Hallo626262]

Eww get beaten.

[somesoul]

Haha why beaten

[Ninjazzed]

Ignore that pathetic cunt rag. Just another misogynistic, inflated ego.

[Snakeyes7]

I think these are very common misconceptions and I thank you for clearing that up.

[StunningANDbrave]

Consider the fact that if you aren't any of those things and a guy comes along that is she will drop you and not give a shit.

[Asker]

In what world do you live in?

[StunningANDbrave]

Reality. You?

[Asker]

You live in Narnia.
Women don't just leave because another random guy comes along. Unless she didn't really loved you.

[StunningANDbrave]

Women don't love you the way that you think dude.

[Asker]

Oh you are one of those who wrongly believes that women can't love men for who they are.
Well give me proof of that.

[StunningANDbrave]

Ok dumbass here's your spoon fed redpills

https://youtu.be/MsW6sJBFB2U

https://youtu.be/SqB9vhR5bJc

https://youtu.be/MSq54f2JT_U

Your whole premise is bullshit saying "mEn ArE JuSt MaKiNg tHiNgS uP!" Think for a minute why so many dudes are saying the same thing there is a reason

[Asker]

Not a single word if those videos is true for the majority of the population.

[StunningANDbrave]

You can plug your ears and go lalalal all you want. It doesn't change reality.

[StunningANDbrave]

And yes, it is for the majority of the population, otherwise you wouldn't see so many guys complaining about the exact same thing. You're simping dude and it's obnoxious, provide your proof to the contrary, and keep in mind women file for divorce 4x as much as men that's over 80% do you think these women love dude "for who they are"

[Asker]

They file for divorce more exactly for who they are. Do you know what is the number one cause for divorce?
Lack of commitment

[StunningANDbrave]

The fact that women and men cheat just as much as each other throws your narrative out the window

[Asker]

Not really. Yes they cheat at similar rates, but we were talking about divorce and why marriages end. Cheating is not even close to be the main cause. Lack of commitment is. Which means lack of effort put into the relationship and love given.

[StunningANDbrave]

Yeah, not buying that bullshit, how many stories are there of great guys being left by their wife? At every single point in this argument you have been backpedaling and blaming the men, you wanna talk about lack of commitment when these hoes bail on a guy 80% of the time and say that it's the men's fault 🤣 you know what the real cause is? Everything you mentioned in the OP and the fact that women have a hypergamous sexual dating strategy while men do not.

[Asker]

Not many that I know off. I know more stories about men cheating on good wives.
Hypergamy is the same as gold digging. Very few women actually do that.

[Anonymous]

It's exaggerated by men but not made up. All this social media girls on Instagram and tiktok say they want those high standards men and all the other men see this and get bitter cause they will never get such a woman

[Anonymous]

My advice to all men is stop giving so many fucks and just focus on your purpose.

[Gosselinfan]

I’m waiting until marriage and most guys don’t want that so…

[LeoElias]

Those dudes aren't worth your time if they can't respect. If they can't respect you waiting then they'll never respect you in general

[Gosselinfan]

Thank you I do know that but I wish more guys were like that and they aren’t

[LeoElias]

I know some religious guys who are choosing to wait because of their faith. You could try looking there

[Gosselinfan]

Thing is I’m not religious I’m doing it bc I want to

[backblueblack22]

@Gosselinfan there are guys out there like that and I was one of them at your age. But the absolute worst thing happened. I held out and SHE cheated out of boredom. We weren’t engaged but we wanted to take it slow to mean some thing. She grew bored with my chivalry.

Anyway yes guys push it but also it’s not always about sexual gratification. For me it was more about “claiming” her (I changed after that incident). I wish that wasn’t true but that’s what I’ve experienced.

[more_than_a_guy]

@LeoElias It's not lack of respect from guys who want sex before marriage, it's just different lifestyles. They don't fit. It doesn't make you a douche if you leave her when she tells you she wants to wait that long.

[Casia94]

There plenty of men that will appreciate you for it. For sure

[Anonymous]

Nope. Women actually set that 6 foot stereotype as their goto height on most dating apps.
Women also have proven time and time again that they are shallow and will ditch a guy for a guy with more money, hypergamy is real.
They also lower their morals for dollars.
Women also time and time again leave a good guy with a back bone for an asshole who treats her like shit.

[Asker]

Hypergamy is not real my friend. What you are thinking of is called "gold digging". And very few women chose that path.

[Opinion Owner]

Nope. Women are biologically hypergamous.

[Asker]

Wrong. Do you know what separates human animals from any other, more than anything else? Free will.
Did you knew that when Hitler invaded Russia women volunteered to the battlefield at the same proportion as men? And they did fought and stopped the nasi advance side by side with the men. Never runned away. Women are not what you think they are.

[Opinion Owner]

Studies literally PROVE that male female platoons are shit compared to male only platoons.

[Opinion Owner]

Women are EXACTLY what I told you they are.

[Asker]

No they are not. And many moments in history prove it. Like I said on top of this question all your assumptions on what women are and want come from other men! Butter men who tell lies because they can't cope with being rejected. They do not come from women.

[Opinion Owner]

Dude, you believe whatever you want. It won't get you pussy.
The majority of male experience with women prove that I say to be true.

[Asker]

I am married I literally can believe whatever I want and I will have it.
Are you married? Or in a relationship?

[Opinion Owner]

Just because you chose to be with a female and have yet to be burned by them doesn’t mean that they don’t have the same traits as all other female animals of that species she just hasn’t shown them to you yet or had the opportunity.

my relationship status has no bearing on the facts of the matter, just like I don’t need to be a park ranger to understand the basic traits of a wild bear

[Asker]

All other female animals?
1. We are very VERY different animals from all the others. Namely because of something called free will.
2. Many species in the wild mate for life. Wolves, eagles, gibbons, etc.

Second, that entire premisse that women will leave you at the opportunity of something better implies that they do not love you for you. Which is completely false. Who you are matters to them. Which is a truth many have a hard time accepting because it places the blame on them, on who they are and not on what they have. But it is true.

[Opinion Owner]

reading 101
“ all other female animals of that species” !!!

Women love what men provide to them... be it protection, a good life, money, etc.
The “grass is greener” syndrome is an inherently female trait left over from our animal generics which is there to make sure they are giving the best situation for them and their offspring.

[Asker]

So you think all the woman in the world act like that? Not just gold diggers?

Women in the past were tired to live the life you described that they literally rebeled. And today... Look around! They make most of collage graduates. Why is that? Because they want to be provide to? No! They want to provide for themselves. They want a men, they don't want to need a man.
About them having the best situation, for them, the best situation is with a man they love. Who is a better father? An abusive guy with lots of money? Or with great values and average money? The personality you have is what is going to win her over.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course no “all” act any certain way, there are always exceptions but basic female traits and basic male traits exist in our species.
The twats of the early feminist era have ruined women’s happiness. All studies on female happiness show that female happiness has declined steadily over the decades as women have become more like men. This is expected since their biologically traits don’t just go away because their idiotic whining and gripes make society bow to them.
Like children, they didn’t know what was good for them until they lost it.
In scandinavia which is the MOST equalitarian society where women get to basically choose to do whatever they want... most have chosen the standard female gender roles because it makes them the happiest.

[Asker]

Not even close to all. It's not a "nature thing" or biology is a personal thing. Some chose to leave their partners for money and status, but those are the exceptions and it's not their nature, it was a conscious choice.
Declined over the years? Do you really think some decades ago that they could say anyhting other than "I am super happy" to avoid a beating? Women could go to asylum for hystericism. Are those the times we are talking? When they had to tip toe around in the world?
They didn't become more like men, they were always like this they just didn't had the freedom to chose for their own. So much so that they had enough and rebel.
They are very happy they lost it my friend. Go ask any of them and ask, "hey do you wnat to go back at a time where your husband could legally beat you up and you had to provide sex at a snap of his fingers? Oh and of course you can't ever do anything with your life of importance besides raising kids. You wnat to be a politician? A doctor? A scientist? No." I am sure they would LOVE to go back to that.
Wrong. In those countries the hapiness index is literally through the roof and most women are working class citizens.

[Opinion Owner]

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

[Asker]

That study was conducted on a survey. Like I told you before, in the old days women could not say that they were unhappy.
And I ask you again, do you really think that if you ask most women of today that they would want to go back to the way things were?

[Opinion Owner]

Dude believe what you want.
You won’t change your mind regardless of the facts provided. You will only ever spew what you think women want you to say and are argumentative for the sake of virtue signalling

[Asker]

Another wrong assumption. I am not saying this for the sake of women. I am saying this for the sake of men.

[Asker]

So many men in this site believe nonsense about women that prevents them from having good relationships.
Not only that but the way they talk like men are victims of women... Fucking boggles my mind.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

Women get those ideas from chick flicks like The Notebook and 50 shades of grey.

[FilmGuy93]

Men exaggerate things a little bit, but it's mostly true.

[Yourfriend2021]

It's funny how the answers are always divided on 2 sides. Yes or no, black or white, day or night, yin or yang, lol

[zagor]

Sadly that seems to be how it is breaking down in many aspects of life.

[zagor]

You also have to have the balls to approach people, and be able to handle it when you get rejected.

[bamesjond0069]

Their standards aren't high enough. If you date trash you are trash yourself. All these girls date losers... but at the end of the day only losers date losers.

[PinkMichae]

A lot of men think other men are losers especially if it's the other man that has what he wants.

Don't get me wrong. There are some losers out there. But the majority of men are not losers and all girls aren't dating them. Most of the time they just end up dating a man that's not right for them.

But I'm guessing you don't date women since you think they are trash for dating trash?

If you did wouldn't that make you trash for dating trash that dated trash?🤔😆

[bamesjond0069]

@PinkMichae when i say loser i mean like girl dates a jobless man then leaves him for being jobless. Its to some degree subjective. I dont respect girls who do that. Or date a guy who they say sucks in bed and then leaves him because he sucks in bed. Why tf did you stick with someone who doesn't meet your standards? Thats real low quality.

Personally I've never done that ever. I date a lot and only have been in long term relationships. Either they meet my standards and i stay with them a long time years because i think its going somewhere or they do not meet my standards and i never enter a relationship with them.

And yes if i entered a relationship with one of these women i consider trash that would make me trash therefore why tf would i be in a relationship with one?

[LeoElias]

Dang hit the nail on the head. My sister said she completely agrees

[Jouth]

Well it depends on the girl. Some have crazy high expeditions and some will be with any guy as long as he's breathing

[Smegskull]

Probably depends on which expectation. Some have been measured in studies, some are statistical so I am sure some are projection.

[Anonymous]

they don't make it up. I say as a woman; women really do get along with men for money.

[Asker]

Not many do that.

[Opinion Owner]

we said the same, right?

[REDHOTLINE]

Its depends on your country and your job.
In my country women have high expectations.

[Anonymous]

No, women’s high expectations are made up by women.

[Opinion Owner]

When girls/women reject a man or a guy who is decent looking, strong minded, has a condo or house, independent, caring/loving, educated, went to grad school, cooks/cleans, loyal and etc. If that’s not good enough in the eyes of a female…Then what else does she want? To me that signifies “I’m not good enough” and that’s why I don’t care about approaching women because there gonna yell harassment! For saying, “hey can I ask you something?”

[Kgffhikjjj]

Women want a guy with a job. Men should join Faggotry

[Anonymous]

No, women have too high standards. Otherwise I would have girlfriend

[harmseygracelu]

Yep, spot on

[Asker]

I am the same guy that was talking with you about couple power dynamics recently.

[harmseygracelu]

The nice one or the arsehole?

[Asker]

I never disrespected you. I asked how things were where you live, nothing more.

[harmseygracelu]

Oh okay. There was another guy there who was a bit rude so I was just wondering which

[Anonymous]

no men will fuck anything at all times Women are only open for business on a rare occasion. So yes.

[Anonymous]

Nah they definitely aren't made up, stop simping

[Asker]

Work on yourself to become average. You will see a change.