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Generic stereotypes - most certainly.
Made up by men? I don't know - I would think 'made up by their mothers' - or by the society as a whole (there are about 20% of people who give themselves not only the right, but the serious duty - of deciding and arranging what 'makes sense' - they typically do it to hide their failures and evil dos - otherwise all this relating and dating stuff is very very easy and natural (like animals do - think of puppies in a cot or similar - they simply feel affection, show it, and live it, without worrying about any judgement by anyone - how you feel is how you do).
Of the 20% of nasties, I would say half are transgender and out to have their revenge for it by ruining as many lives as possible to the maximum extent possible (that admiration for emotional devastation and being a 'heartbraker' some (usually older) people promote as worthy of admiration)
Some people say it is female nature or biology. If women have high expectations due to her nature and biology, why do you hate on her then? Hate on biology then.. Do you want her to change the biology? I dont understand this logic.
I think prefering tall men is the same as prefering young women because both young women and tall men are the minority. Many men prefere young women in my experience and so i dont understand why they would complain about women who prefere tall men.
It is also does not matter if anyone has high expectations. You can't force people with high expectations to change themself. It is their life and their problems. Yes it may be unrealistic for average looking people to have high expectations but in the end it is their problem. Why would anyone care so much about it.
An asteroid needs to hit us already
Why because biology and evolution is sexist? You can't do anything. Females seek for good looking males since good looks means good health. So females want the best genes for their offspring. HOWEVER, we are humans and we dont have to blindly follow our instincs although having sex, eating food etc is also an instinc
I dont know
Why do anyone care about it. I would not give a f if a man has unrealistic expectations. It is their life.
Not really, it's exaggerated. Women indeed have too many expectations from their partners - complicated ones like "he should be sweet enough to give me his hoodie but firm enough to tell me when I'm behaving rashly"... The rich one, especially, all women would enjoy if their partner were to fly them off to Paris on a weekend getaway, but there aren't many who would hold it as a standard.
I wouldn't want to date anybody who thinks that going off to Paris in this day and age is a good Idea.
Any particular reason behind this? Do you hate french or something?
Is it covid?
Have you seen whats going on in France? Like five years ago they had a disastrous Islamic Terrorism attack and they still do from time to time. Other than that, the place is a complete shithole for a various migrant related reasons. Lastly there is great amounts of Social unrest and going into Paris now would be like going to it during the French Revolution. Anybody who knows anything about whats going on in this world knows this.
What about tourism?
Practically dead right now due to looming civil Strife.
Ah I see.
Belize would be the far better choice.
No, many women really care about those 6ft, because they like you to still be taller than her when she wears her heels.
And most women will tell you, they expect the man to earn at least 1.5x times of what she earns.
Of course this is not ALL women, but a large amount of them. Just watch freshandfit podcast, thats really an eyeopener.
That podcast is amazing. So many truth bombs that a lot of people won't want to accept
Agree on the minutia, but they're talking about generalities because that's all you can do practically. It would be disingenuous to say there aren't a lot of girls out there who have their lists of disqualifiers for guys.
how about someone tell you that you shouldn’t expect to date pretty women, but the average plain Jane , looks like a 5/10 with small tits and ass?
I think that a woman’s standards are based on what she can manage to get. A beauty with a great career who makes 6 figures , is not gonna settle for a guy who is not rich , not good looking. On the other hand , less attractive or less accomplished women , will have no problem settling for a guy who is not a hunk , not 6 ft tall, not rich.
so if a woman as high expectations, she
CAN AFFORD those high expectations.
Men don't. Men's standards are based upon what he can get. If you look the ideal female body according to men is actually heavier then the ideal female body according to women. The average pornstar is average looks, average size, average height, c cups and brunettes i. e. average in every way.
As for women settling, well yeah of course. Of course women who cannot get a six foot tall guy are going to settle for less. That doesn't mean that every woman wants a guy who is taller, above average in looks, and wealthy, it just means she can't. These things are far more important to a woman then it is to men who have to work a lot harder to get a relationship and thus are more likely to be happy with less compared to a woman.
@hellionthesagereborn it’s no different for men. You never see a hot guy with an ugly fat woman
You do. I mean I would agree that in general people date their level of attractiveness, but in general women are far more demanding then men are (study showed that women found 80% of men where "below average" in attractiveness. Thats not even statistically possible. For men they found that men on average found women where average (exactly as one would expect).
The issue is we have created a situation that has artificially inflated women's percieved value. Men will lower their standards for casual sex, women raise theirs for casual sex. This results in women thinking that they are more attractive because they have managed to have sex with more attractive guys then them, thus skewing their perception of their actual value (also why a lot of these women end up miserable and single (among many other things) who engage in this behavior is because they think they are higher up on the totem pole then they are and refuse to date men in their own level.
The other issue is dating websites, men are the ones who chase women, dating websites bring thousands of men to women and their tends to be fewer women on those sites creating an artificial demand for those women their allowing them to date guys that are higher up then them (some are shy or not socially apt so they use dating websites) thus artificially inflating their percieved value.
@hellionthesagereborn Men are more picky on looks while women are more selective in terms of everything from personality to finances to relationships with their family members.
There are evolutionary reasons behind it
Not exactly I’ve seen multiple interviews of women who say they want the moon and the stars in a man but they bring nothing to the table besides being attractive
@Birdlegs evolutionarily , men prioritize looks the most when it comes to searching for mates. This is because younger women tend to have healthier offspring.
Women prioritize finding a partner who was loyal and a decent provider. Women are evolutionarily more picky because selecting the wrong mate can have terrible consequences for her offspring. This is why women are more selective and have more criteria in terms of personality , character , financial stability, how he gets along with her family.
There is a saying:
“Women fall in love with what they hear, men falL in love with what they see”
@Birdlegs
you need to understand that modern women are picky because for the first time ever in history , women do not need men. Nowadays a woman does not need a husband to have kids. She doesn’t need a man to raise her kids either. She can AFFORD to be picky
Being picky and requiring a man to make 6 figures minimum because you’re pretty are two completely different things.
@Birdlegs people have the right to be picky, if they want. if I’m a highly successful woman who has a prestigious career , why would I settle for someone who makes less than half of what I make?
Some people may just also be shallow but hey, there’s shallow people everywhere. Just like there are men who won’t date women over 30 years old. You can’t get rid of these types
Ah yes the Career Wine Aunt.
That’s different women tend to prefer men that’s their “level” or above so yea if a woman makes 6 figures it would make sense to want a man who does also. I’m talking more the girls on onlyfans who think they deserve or could even get a man who makes hella money just because they’re attractive
@Birdlegs An attractive woman has something to bring to the table , which is hot sex. If she wants a rich guy and the rich guy wants the sex with the hottest girl ever , then why shouldn’t they be together?
@Birdlegs shallow people will always exist. Complaining about them won’t eradicate them.
ain't nobody complaining I’m just saying having standards and expecting the moon and the stars in exchange for nothing are two completely different things
@Birdlegs some people are like that. They rather stay single than settle for someone
And this is why I'm single lol. " I want my man to have this, this, and this". I didn't always have financiL security. And there's no guarantee especially if I marry that I'll have it forever. So why would I want to get married someone that only wants me when the chips are up? no thank you I'm find alone. Lol
Actually no. Studies have shown that women are just as picky about looks as men are. For men looks matter, for women looks matter but so does height, status, and wealth. I'm not criticising women, I'm merely pointing it out. Obviously their are biological reasons for it but women have gotten to the point where they are no longer keeping everything in check (generally speaking). Men may want a physically perfect woman, but that doesn't mean he won't appreciate a woman who isn't because his expectations are relatively in line with reality, but for women that is no longer the case (it use to be but isn't anymore). I think we need to point out that women are in fact human, that they are as shallow as men are, and we should recognize the mechanisms that cause them to choose the men they do so that they can choose more wisely (many women misconstrue being an asshole with being confident and it usually bites them in the ass. They seem similar at first but are not.) and men can understand women and not get angry when women claim to care about personality but then clearly ignore personality, to care about a guy being a nice guy but then consistently ignore said nice guy.
Ignoring these things helps no one and hurts every one, that was my point.
As for the claim that women don't need men, that is factually incorrect. What we have in society now, is a government that steals from men to give to women. Women need men, they build your house, your plumbing, your electricity, they provide you your resources and protection, they are the ones producing so we have welfare programs used predominantly by women etc. The difference is now that the government is an intermediary, women don't have to give a fuck about men, they just need to care about the government who will force the men to obey and give up their incomes and resources so that they can give it to women (and in turn get their vote). Though this is causing a massive degredation in society as fewer men are marrying, more men are checking out of society so productivity, marriage, and population growth are all dropping rapidly and why women are statistically far unhappier then at any other point in history. Women have evolved to raise children, not to work jobs, to be provided for not to make their own incomes, to be protected not to fend for themselves. As a result of abandoning traditional relationships and interactions with men, both men and women have become increasingly less happy and society has suffered as a result.
@hellionthesagereborn
Looks matter wayy more to men than women
Rich women like rich men, and rich men like slender women
men with more education also had stronger preferences for female partners who were “good looking” and slender, whereas this was not a concern for women
www.google.com/.../rich-women-like-rich-men-and-rich-men-like-slender-women-2015-09-28
Not really, I've pointed out multiple studies showing that is not true. Historically it may have been true but it isn't now.
www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html
www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study
Today everyone cares about looks and financial situation of their future partner.
@hellionthesagereborn There are multiple studies that have proven that evolutionarily men look for the youngest , most fertile women. While women look for men who are the best, capable providers for their offspring.
Why do you think dating statistics show that most men prefer dating and marrying younger women?
Never said that men don't care about looks, I just pointed out that men are less fickle then being presented and women are far more fickle then what they try to present themselves as, as the data I have provided shows. No one is arguing that men don't like attractive women, the issue is your trying to argue that women don't like attractive men, and that is where the issue lies. I'm saying men like attractive women and women like attractive men, your arguing this is not the case when we know that it is (again, I presented the studies).
@hellionthesagereborn Evolution has that men prioritize looks while women prioritized money. I don't think anything you say would ever change this fact.
Eww you are a disgusting piece of trash. You aren't accomplished you are treated as a kid and therefore get everything you want handed to you. Men don't care about women's career it's irrelevant. I hope no men will ever waste money on women again. Only for prostitutes.
@Hallo626262
prestigious, successful men care about womens careers. lowly educated men do not tend about a woman's education or career.
@Hallo626262 wouldn't you prefer a doctor over a waitress?
Well this isn't a fact, its a stament you have made that is patently false and I have already presented the relevant scientific research that shows that. Sorry, but that is reality. Also you have clearly not spoken to men because again, studies consistently show that men do not care about a womans career, its not a determining factor and never has been.
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S1090513898000087
www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html
@hellionthesagereborn Today it is. Times are changing is that direction.
Of course before men didn't care about what women did for a living when they were not even expected to work outside their homes.
Today men want women who work.
@arabella_rose No only dumb men care about shit like that. Prestigious wtf the wording alone highlights how weirdly you think.
No i wouldn't prefer a doctor. Why would I, I don't care.
@Hallo626262 really? Wow.
@hellionthesagereborn
Do you think president of the United States will marry his Filipino maid instead of a highly educated intelligent woman?
Take a look at all the First Ladies of us:
Michelle Obama - successful lawyer
Laura Bush - prolific writer and author
Hilary Clinton - Secretary of State and powerful lawyer
Jill Biden - Phd educator
All these women are wayyy more successful than you.
@Hallo626262 dumb uneducated men do not care about a woman’s education or career. Prestigious educated successful men care about a woman’s education and career
Take a look at all the wives of presidents , none of them are stupid or uneducated. All very very smart successful women
@arabella_rose Who the fuck want to come home to a Bitter HR lady? That's like marrying a roommate. Enjoy the bed death , constant stares of contempt, And finding out your awesome career driven wife has been riding the office cock weeks after the honeymoon.
@Ryfyle you would be lucky an ugly girl paid any attention to you.
@arabella_rose Caught your attention, didn't I?
@arabella_rose Never met an Office Shrew that didn't hit the wall hard at 25, A marketing Girl that down for some free range dick, Or an Woman in Administration that didn't resent her own husband and children "for holding them back".
@Ryfyle
You did catch my attention , just my negative attention. You got your hopes up , didn’t you?
@arabella_rose Like there's a difference. I hope you cheap wine, and cold nights watching Netflix. You're going to have to do better.
@Ryfyle
I would be more afraid of you than of a huge cockroach in my house
@arabella_rose Was that an attempt at a put down? If it was, it's absolutely pathetic, much like your love life. It would be fun to accuse you of being a future Cat lady, but that would be cruel to the cats.
First and foremost you are again, arguing against scientific fact. Second your using ancedotes, most billionaires are not married to doctors or lawyers or what have you, most are stay at home mothers, most are models who have retired, they are not women with careers. Third, Laura Bush, librarian and second grade teacher. Barbra Bush, Homemaker. Rosalynn Carter, college drop out. Melania Trump, Model. Warren Buffets wives, none where particularly sucessful women. MacKenzie Scott, Writer, not much else. etc. etc. etc.
This idea that men are women is rather absurd, our desires are entirely different then women's, we don't look for providers, never have and never will, but if that is something that makes you feel better, telling yourself that this is something that matters when quite literally all data and your own personal experiecnces say otherwise, by all means indulge yourself (though its not going to do you any favors).
Also not sure why you want to insult me, especially since you have no idea who I am so how you could gage my success is beyond me (do we even have the same standards for success? I mean that would be the first question, the second being how would you know how successful I am to begin with (and none of those listed actually did much of anything with their "success" beyond being married to a man far more successful then they ever where so its not only a poor argument, its a poor insult too.).
@hellionthesagereborn
Laura bush was an excellent writer and an author. Can you be an author?
Rosalyn carter and Barbara bush doesn’t count because women of their era typically didn’t attend college. Women of their time were not encouraged to study or go to school. They were forced to become housewives at a very young age
Melania trump is not a real wife. She’s just a gold digger who married trump because she knew that she couldn’t make a living being a model until old age. She’s not even a real wife. She’s the fakest wife and First Lady you would ever see
It’s not about being a provider , it’s about dating someone who is just as good , smart and capable as you are. Smart People take a lot of Pride in being intelligent and successful. Smart men look down on dumb women, it has nothing to do with money or being a provider.
Elite men will know they are elite and will be looking for more than just a Hot bimbo for a wife.
Also modern men want women who have an education or career or something to prove that she is a competent human being. On GAG, this website is full of misogynists obsessed with the 1950s housewife. But trust me , walk into any large modern city and men will prefer a woman who is educated and has a career.
Recently I was speaking to a modern young man who was looking for a wife. He said a woman who had absolutely no education, career, no money is A WOMAN WITH NOTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
Modern men expect women to have jobs and Carrerrs. Misogynists dont
@hellionthesagereborn
I know you are not intelligent or successful because you don’t have any IQ expectations for your girlfriends. I know a lot of educated intelligent professionals. The pattern i have seen is , the more educated and successful he is, the more he will prioritize IQ and education / success in his mates.
The only reason why you don’t know this is because there is a good chance you don’t know of any Highly educated people
She was an author, but like I said, that is a far cry different then saying she was a career woman and that her career was what attracted her husband to her.
As for my IQ, its higher then yours. I was reading the Illiad at age eight, studying religion and culture from across the world. I study anthropology, mythology, theology, folklore and the occult, as well as history and have done so since I was eight (and when I say study I do mean study. I was reading my older brothers college books at eight years of age). On top of that I study material science, astronomy, physics, material science, biology, zoology, chemistry etc. Their are very few subjects I do not dabble in.
As for not having an IQ requirement, at no point did any one suggest that. Also what does IQ have to do with career? Statistically in order to be successful you don't have to be smart, in fact to some degree it can actually hamper your success, what you need to be to be sucessful is persistent. Their are many people with abnormally high IQs who work dead end jobs, they have found that it doesn't actually affect one's occupation or chances of success (but I'm sure you knew that since you have read the studies as I have because obviously your so much smarter then every one else right?).
I also like your argument, you literally stated "they don't count" when presented evidence showing you where wrong (both attended college, both dropped out). Usually people try to word it a little more subtle then that so I guess I appreciate that your blatantly disregarding facts rather then trying to rationalize why your right even though the data shows otherwise (also attending college is meaningless because most people didn't attend college for most of history. Also the first female doctor in the US was in 1850s, so also a poor argument. In addition most women don't want careers as all data shows they prefer to be at home with their families (again, this is a scientific fact, one you will likely dismiss because it doesn't support your narrative (or at least the narrative you where trained to believe in anyway (highly doubt you have ever questioned it so it can't really be your ideology if you have never once questioned it).
As for my desires, I actually do want an intelligent woman, but that is unrelated to whether or not she is a career woman (which most men do not want, and those that think they do end up regretting it (again, scientific studies and all (ones you will dismiss as you have dismissed all the rest)). I also don't hold that as the utmost importance as her other traits also matter. If she is an awful person, it doesn't matter how intelligent she is, she is not going to make a good mate or mother. Those traits need to be factored in and carry a lot more weight then you seem to realize. I don't want to marry a man who I have to compete against I want a woman.
the problem is as I have alluded to, is that you have been force fed a bunch of things that are provably false. The issue is that because you have been force fed these absurd notions for so long, you don't know how to question them, you don't know how to think outside of the frame work that others gave you (one would argue that this is a sign of low intelligence but I would say is just an example of brainwashing). Every study shows men do not care about a womans career, period. Every study shows looks matter to women, period (they may not be the be all end all, but they very much matter). Every study shows that traditional relationships in traditional roles bring the most happiness to men and women, period (their is a reason why women are consuming record numbers of anti depressants and a record number of women report being unhappy. Statistically women in the 50s where happier then the woman of today.). The fact is your just upset because your ideological frame work has failed you and your starting to see that so now your panicking. Reality is setting in and your terrified that its been all for nothing. So instead of changing and adapting you have decided to go with investment bias i. e. you have come this far with this ideology and invested so much into it that it must be true because you cannot handle the thought that all of your efforts where wasted so your going to keep going down this path even if (or when) it destroys your life. That is why your angry, that is why you are insulting me and others despite the fact that I never insulted you and presented you with scientific data to prove my point. Its because your afraid and you need to destroy me the messenger because you cannot destroy the reality that the message is showing you.
@hellionthesagereborn
Take a look at all our recent first ladies. There are none of them that are dumb or uneducated. Except for the fake wife melania.
First ladies from 100 years ago weren't as educated as the more recent ones. why? because women were not encouraged to obtain higher education in 100 years ago. Women were forced to become housewives. These women were housewives and nothing else.
I work with a ton of intelligent, educated professionals. I can tell you that the smarter and more successful the person is, the more he is gonna want someone similar to his own status.
It has absolutely nothing to do with money or being a provider. Elite people know they are elite and they know they deserve something better.
The fact that you do not understand this, it shows that you are not an elite person.
@hellionthesagereborn
Women are happier working careers than becoming housewives. 100 years ago, a woman's only way to survive was to get married because she didn't have an education or career. Back then, most women were not offered a chance for a higher education. But nowadays, women are choosing to go to college (there are more women in college than men), instead of marrying someone to feed them.
Housewiving is a choice. There is a reason why most women nowadays aren't housewives.
@hellionthesagereborn
Modern young men have different expectations from men during the 1950s. Modern young men are looking for more than a body with a vagina to pop out babies. Modern guys are looking for someone who shows that she is a competent, capable human being. Not a woman who couldn't succeed in life, still lives with mommy and daddy by the time she is 35 years old, can't feed or support herself.
An education , career is seen as something that proves that a woman is competent in intelligence , work ethic, capability.
Yeah none are stupid or uneducated except for the one who is married to the politician you don't like, and also all the other ones that don't count because they don't fit the narrative your trying to tell. I also listed off a bunch of wives of a bunch of powerful and rich men who didn't fit your narrative structure which you have now decided to ignore. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you trying to rationalize your position by cherry picking information to sooth your anxiety at the thought that you might be wrong and going down the wrong path.
But again, as I said scientific studies consistently find what your saying is false so. . . thats not going to change. Also Michelle Obama was not particularly smart, not sure why you would make the claim (have you heard her speak? Not exactly a bright woman). Also again, you have failed to explain how career equals intelligence, if that is the case then trump is brilliant because he is a billionaire and he was president (but I'm sure you will disagree with that assesment). It would also mean that Abraham Lincoln was an idiot because he never actually went to college or had any formal education. Neither did Bill gates technically, he dropped out (as did Steve Wozniack). See, here is how you can tell when an ideological belief is doing the talking vs. the facts, its the consistency, or lack there of that shows what is happening. Your ideological views are talking because your choosing some examples and ignoring others, ignoring scientific papers, claiming career equals intelligence but not in the cases you don't want it to etc. etc. Its all over the place.
@hellionthesagereborn
so why have all recent first ladies been very highly intelligent, successful women?
the president / politicians/ lawyers are usually rich surrounded by maids. why don't you see him marrying his maid or a girl who works at McDonalds rather than a lawyer?
@hellionthesagereborn
do you know president john f kennedy dated marilyn monroe , before he married jacqueline kennedy?
he dumped Marilyn Monroe and opted to marry jacqueline kennedy because jacqueline was educated, well read, highly intelligent. He and Jacqueline had plans to change the world and they enjoyed discussing books together. He saw jacqueline as a step above marilyn monroe.
jacqueline kennedy was a famous and highly successful author /writer /editor.
@hellionthesagereborn
Assortative mating is the idea that people marry people like themselves, with similar education and earnings potential and the values and lifestyle that come with them. It was common in the early 20th century, dipped in the middle of the century and has sharply risen in recent years — a pattern that roughly mirrors income inequality in the United States, according to research by Robert Mare, a sociologist at the University of California, Los Angeles.
People are now more likely to marry people with similar educational attainment — even after controlling for differences between men and women, like the fact that women were once less likely to attend college.
www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html
@hellionthesagereborn
The change is happening internationally, too. In 40 percent of couples in which both partners work, they belong to the same or neighboring income bracket, up from 33 percent two decades ago, according to 2011 data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes 34 countries. Two-thirds have the same level of education.
www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html
@arabella_rose it's called peer pressure. I'm right just look it up.
@Hallo626262
only you call it peer pressure because you prefer to marry a dumb wife over a smart one. The rest of all other men prefer smart wives. you're threatened by smart women
@aliali8 women choose their husband based on his career. Men biologically don't care at all that's a well studied fact and blantaly obvious. He might want a women of similar education due to peer pressure.
@Hallo626262
so why is there statistical proof that people tend to end up marrying those of similar educational / financial status?
"so why is there statistical proof that people tend to end up marrying those of similar educational / financial status?"
@arabella_rose They are typically of the same social Class. Thats it.
@Ryfyle you're the one who said that men prefer marrying those of lower classes or poor women because they like to be providers
@arabella_rose Got a fucking Direct quote on that? I don't fucking see that anywhere. Still salty that no man would even touch your cold fucking sandbox?
@Ryfyle
There is statistical evidence that people tend to marry those of similar educational / social status. Links are above
@arabella_rose Yeah and that's due to Social Class. Correlation is not Causation, and few rise from their social class these days.
@arabella_rose statistically those marriages also last more, when the couples makes similar amounts of money and their age difference is small.
@Ryfyle Statistics also show that married couples of similar educational attainment, age, financial status tend to have longer lasting, happier marriages with less chance of divorce.
so how do you explain that?
@Ryfyle
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../
A few studies have found a negative effect of greater education on marriage, both historically and today, as well as in international contexts. ... Again, the main effect of education on marriage is on timing, as highly educated women were likely to marry at later ages, but more likely to marry overall.
@arabella_rose you are aware of the extreme Social Stratification in the US, Right? Like you just repeated an elaborate version of what I just said. Then again, you're fucking too retarded to understand what context is.
@arabella_rose How can you stand to be so retarded you merely parrot my one sentence point into a pedantic Short essay? Is that's what a womans career should be, pointless busy work?
@Ryfyle the evidence goes against you. If men really loved marrying poor women, joe Biden’s wife really would be a Phd educator , she would have been a maid. If Obama really liked poor Uneducated women , Michelle obama wouldn’t have been a lawyer.
@Ryfyle
Biden and obama have access to tons of maids , Poor people aren’t hard to find. Walk into McDonald’s and ask out a Cashier. Study at Harvard? There are a ton of bathroom cleaners and janitors there. Why not ask one out?
@arabella_rose Holy fuck, you're replies add nothing to your argument outside what I cleanly stated like 10 replies ago. It's a matter of Social Class for many of these people. Good Christ, Get some dick already, Oh wait you need that to be FDIC insured before you even consider it. Do you dream of being some IVY League Sorority Gold Digger?
@Ryfyle not everyone has a small dick and big ego that they only marry women who have no education and can’t make any money
Real successful men are not threatened by women with an education and career. Insecure Misogynists like you who are afraid of smart women can steer clear
@arabella_rose Like your concerned with finding a "Real Man". Your looking for a Bank account with a man pathetic enough to give you access to it. Your wasting your time here and not spending your time stuffing your Roth IRA, So I doubt your that successful. Your best years are just melting away and I doubt you can find a Sugar Daddy you can fleece enough to be "Successful".
@arabella_rose My problem is merely you. You type and act like a smug Gold Digger who just recent got her Pity Associates Degree in "business Management" from your local community college and thinks that alone qualifies as Successful. Your first post was fucking Dripping with Narcissism that I couldn't help but to start shit with the likes of you. Bet you have a <500 credit score.
@Ryfyle
Successful educated women do not need to be gold diggers because they already have money. Only broke women without education, skills, career would need to be a gold digger.
Successful educated women can even raise kids without a husband. She doesn't need a man. She can dump you whenever she wants.
@arabella_rose I'm implying that you are far from being one. Single parent homes often raise failures.
@Ryfyle
single parent homes where single moms struggle to raise their kids in a poor crime filled neighborhood tend to be the places where kids are fucked up.
Rich privileged kids who get to study at the Ivy League colleges , paino/ karate / ice skating lessons , tons of nannies to care for them 24/7. tend to end up doing well in life
@Ryfyle
@arabella_rose Failures Beget more failures.
@Ryfyle
Someone like you definitely sounds like a failure. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so bitter and sad
Successful women breed successful kids regardless if she’s married or not.
@arabella_rose Lol, that Single Mom cope post right there. How can I be sad when I'm having so much fun shitting on you?
@arabella_rose And with how often you reply, you must be fucking loving this interaction. Practically Addicted to it.
@Ryfyle I’m actually not a single mom. But I really wouldn’t mind being one either.
@Ryfyle
Single women can have kids and a family, single men can’t. Continue shitting on women for having the biological clock.
@arabella_rose Once again you misinterpret a statement due to your Narcissism, I'm shitting on you alone, but you think you speak for all women. Quite the ego on you.
And for the record there is a well studied correlation between Single mothers raising Criminals. With your Narcissitic ego, I would be surprised if your spawn lasts long enough to be a drain on society. Nothing drags on a career like a needy child and there's always more room in the dumpster for an unwanted infant.
www.brandonu.ca/.../
@Ryfyle
do you really think an ivy league educated rich kid of a brilliant highly successful single mom is gonna turn out into a criminal? i don't think so.
@arabella_rose You have no proof of the Contrary and I doubt such a unicorn would exist.
@Ryfyle
Right... a rich Ivy League educated child of a brilliant , highly successful single mom would need to rob banks to make a living.
Riiight* sarcasm
@arabella_rose Its not to make a living, its just to feel something. Do you know how few fucking Bank Robberies actually happen, not a lot because its an obvious high risk. You're a fucking moron that prescribes to a bullshit fairy tale. You went from "I nEEz MuH KarEER to GeT MaHN" to "I don't need no man to raise a Tweaker Rapist". I doubt you know what a job is, or that a Career is more than posing in suits in an office setting.
@arabella_rose i never said anything about intelligence. I said men don't care about a womans career. What's so hard to understand about that?
@Hallo626262 She's a moron Cargo Cultists.
@Hallo626262 maybe a generation ago. Today women are expected to work. We don't care if they make 800 or a 1000, but we care if she makes zero. Also let's not fool ourselves if we know she is rich it will be a plus.
@Hallo626262 @Asker
The more prestigious the man is, the more he will care about a woman's intelligence and career.
The fact that you don't care about her intellect or education or career, it shows your lack of education / prestige.
Statistics show that people tend to marry folks within their educational / financial status.
@aliali8 Quick question, are you a man?
@Hallo626262
According to this research article , modern women are no longer seeking breadwinners and modern men are no longer seeking housewives.
www.nytimes.com/.../...d-in-division-by-class.html
Equality in Marriages Grows, and So Does Class Divide
The nature of marriage itself is changing. It used to be about the division of labor: Men sought homemakers, and women sought breadwinners. But as women’s roles changed, marriage became more about companionship, according to research by two University of Michigan economists, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers (who also contributes to The Upshot). Now, people marry others they enjoy spending time with, and that tends to be people like themselves.
“Husbands and wives had different roles in different spheres, so that was the opposites-attract view of marriage,” Mr. Wolfers said. “Today you want people with shared passions, similar interests to you, similar career goals, similar goals for the kids.”
Another reason people are finding mates like themselves is that they are marrying later,
so they know more about their partners’ prospects and increasingly meet at work.
People were least likely to marry those with similar educational backgrounds around the 1950s, according to Mr. Mare’s research, when people married very young. Americans are increasingly able to make their own romantic choices based on personal preferences, free from family or religious expectations, he found.
@Asker
Its less about money than it is about "leagues". A man might not care about how much a woman makes , but a highly intelligent man will tend want someone of similar intelligence to himself. Its not about money. Its about being elite. Elite men know they are elite. Why would an elite man want an incompetent person?
In real life, if you take a look around, elite highly successful men are almost ALWAYS dating women who usually are intelligent, capable, or somewhat successful.
Like there are leagues for physical attractiveness, there are also leagues for intelligence and success.
Elite men are looking for more than just an incompetent, bimbo with a hot body. Smart successful people look down on lazy, dumb , unsuccessful people.
@aliali8 that article doesn't surprise me.
@Hallo626262
[i never said anything about intelligence. I said men don't care about a womans career. What's so hard to understand about that?]
Career / intelligence is synonymous. If a woman has a great career, she is likely to be educated, and intelligent. Sure, there are some women out there who are highly educated but don't make a lot of money. But Elite men want elite women. Its not about cash, its about being elite. Smart educated people look down on dumb , uneducated people. They would have nothing in common with the uneducated either.
If you go take a look around the professional world, the overwhelming majority of professionals tend to date people of similar educational / career attainment. Studies have shown that college educated men tend to marry college educated women. People tend to marry those within similar social classes.
@Asker
Only guys on GAG would say that modern men like to date unemployed women or housewives. In the real world where modern age is, an unemployed woman is a loser or a liability in the eyes of anyone in society.
I recently spoke to a fairly successful, intelligent, male friend who told me that a woman who doesn't have a career, no money, no job prospects is a "woman with nothing to bring to the table".
Modern young men are looking for more than a body to pop out babies. They want a competent person with things to bring to the table.
Quit the GAG 1950s obsession. Its 2021
@aliali8 A Great Career in what?
@Ryfyle you don't look for women with a career because likely you don't even have a career.
@aliali8 You have no definition of what the Career is in.
@aliali8 I know it must be great to be a loyal Slave to Big Corporations to have that ambiguous "Career" But actual Successful Men invest. Getting wet over having job, fucking pathetic.
@Ryfyle you can only invest if you make enough money at your job. you can't invest if you make minimum wage at mcdonalds.
@aliali8 That's where your dead wrong. It's called Social Services. Ride that Welfare coaster until you cash in your divies. Boom 100K net. They're fucking playing you like a fucking chump.
@aliali8 Like fucking Lol. Have you been getting played your whole fucking life? Got Free College from FASFA, Free Healthcare from Medicaid, Fucking Housing Assistance, and Food Stamps. Just enough stuff to get an edge in, handle my life shit, and boom cashed out on my investments and dropped them. Only a dumb fuck liberal moron doesn't know about social services.
@Ryfyle
food stamps or welfare won’t make you rich. Welfare and fafsa won’t help you pay your rent. Only people who can make money can invest. Investing $5 dollars every month won’t make you rich.
@Ryfyle
Nowadays women work decent paying careers and invest. She doesn’t need a breadwinner or a man to support her. She can date whoever she wants without considering his financial status. She can support her own kids as a single mom if she wants too.
@aliali8 Yeah, I'm going to trust my own experience on that issue. And for the record, Anybody living on McDonald's paychecks or Walmart Paychecks can easily save up a few thousand quarterly if they also get public assistance. And it appears you also can't read past a third grade level, and still have yet to elaborate on just what Career a woman should have. Like a Career is more than just posing in a business suit, standing next to projector screens, and looking important.
@Ryfyle
Career women get treated better than you mcdonalds workers.
When I got my first professional job, my employer gave $100 dollars for me and my supervisor to go out and grab lunch so that she can welcome me to the company.
We don’t get paid by the hour either. We get paid based on how much work we Can finish. This means that we can literally not show up to work and still get paid , if all the work was already completed before the deadline
If the employer fires me, I get a benefits package where the employer will pay me another years worth of full salary if I remain unemployed after that.
Minimum wage workers usually get treated like crap by their employers and customers.
Many of you can’t even afford to go on vacation cus you’re so broke
Professionals can go anywhere for vacation. Anywhere we like. We get to drive cars while you take the bus. We get to live in nice cozy beautiful homes while you live in the poor crime filled ghettos with rats. We get to eat great food at nice restaurants while You eat a crappy McDonald’s burger.
We get treated with more respect by our own supervisors too.
We can invest while you can’t. You can’t expect to invest a few dollars a month and get rich by that,
Why do you think so many people around the country are pulling out loans for college? Why do people go to college or go for advanced learning?
Professional workers tend to be treated better by employers in many ways. There’s no way McDonald’s or subways offer any of these benefits. The more successful you are at a company, the better the health benefits and everything else that goes along with it.
Maybe THe reason why you can’t get any woman is because you have nothing to offer. You don’t have a good personality, You don’t have an education or a good job. Why would any girl go for u?
@Ryfyle
I know of an accountant who demands a salary from his employer due to his vast educational background and experience. If you’re an educated experienced professional , you can negotiate your salary rather than accepting Watever Little 8 dollars an hour your employer wants to give you
This is the difference between someone without an education and someone with an education
@aliali8 Yeah McDonald's nor Subway offer those benefit, the State does you fucking retard. I'm not going to take you seriously seeing as how you don't know how shit works. You straight up are nothing more than somebody who parrots lines from Cosmo or Slate.
@aliali8 you're such a dumb whore. Typical quota woman.
@aliali8 You don't even know what intelligence is. Hilarious.
@Ryfyle
McDonald’s and subway pays too much for you to even be on welfare. Minimum wage 40 hours a week makes you too rich to be on welfare.
@Hallo626262
You’re the one who is bitter lonely and single, not me
@aliali8 Your Extra Fucking retarded if you think they keep people on for full time. Secondly, if your "Too Rich" from that Subway Job, then you can easily invest like a couple hundred a month if your not a retarded.
@Ryfyle
Only people who can actually make money can invest. You're gonna have to go without food for two weeks in order to have a couple of hundred left over to invest.
@aliali8 You clearly lived a pampered life. Sorry you can't have your Starbucks and your Avocado Toast.
@Ryfyle I actually had to work hard to get something better than a McDonald's job. Sounds like you're just looking for welfare handouts your entire life.
@Ryfyle maybe if you work less hours at your mcdonald's job, then you can be poor enough to qualify for some welfare (free money from the government)
@Ryfyle
#poorandlazywelfarebum
@aliali8 Can you please not make shit up again you ridiculous fuck. Gosh you are so extremely dumb its so embarrassing.
@aliali8 Absolutely obsessed. Glad to see I touched a nerve. And for the record, I pursue a passion, not a Soulless Career. Secondly, you should learn what context is, then again your Idea of a Career is posing in a business suit around a power point presentation.
@Hallo626262 of course you would think i am making this up. because you don't know of anyone who is a lawyer or a top notched accountant. This type of stuff is wayy out of your reach.
@Ryfyle
nobody is jealous of your cheap mcdonald's burger and your no vacation life.
@aliali8
You are straight up Illiterate. Is your Illustrious Career based around Instagram?
@aliali8 shut up dumb
@Ryfyle it’s not based on instagram. I’m actually college educated unlike you.
@aliali8 Good to see they will just print out degrees these days.
@Ryfyle people with degrees get more respect from their employers and also a better life style and more fun
@aliali8 You have yet to explain which degrees and what career. You straight up shill buzzwords with no context.
@Ryfyle I have explained so much to you already. You’re still in denial about everything. So I don’t think telling you more info would matter.
Being poor is a choice , not fate
@aliali8 A that's a terribly racist and classist statement. Secondly, no you have been pointlessly vague.
@Ryfyle
of course it’s racist. If this is racist , you don’t even know what racist means. Not surprising Since you’re so uneducated
@aliali8 For all that education, you still miss the basic premise of the argument. What Degree and what Career? A Doctorate in Philosophy is going to make far less than someone with a bachelor's in Computer Science.
@aliali8 And lets face it Camus and Jung weren't mentioned much at all at in your Diploma Mill for the Mediocre.
@Ryfyle I will repeat this to you again. You're in complete denial about anything I say. Why would it make any difference if I told you what degrees and skills I have?
@Ryfyle
[@aliali8 And lets face it Camus and Jung weren't mentioned much at all at in your Diploma Mill for the Mediocre.]
the funniest part is when even the mediocre can earn a wayy better lifestyle than you. If they are mediocre, what are you?
@aliali8 Considering that I'm a Welder, Machinist, and Fabricator. I'm essential.
@Ryfyle
I only marry guys with genes for intelligence. Trade school are only for those who failed in high school and didn't have the grades to attend college. You do not make that much as a welder either.
@aliali8 There you go with your racist remarks. You're such a boring individual with no thoughts of your own, why would I put a ring on a fucking stock photo? Guess where I learned how to weld and how to fabricate, At a fucking college. And thats not all, I know a guy who has a masters in mathematics, and he has a GED.
Simply, put your fucking boring. Your somebody who could not discuss Nietzsche or Jung. Your somebody I could never explain why robotic Welding machines produce shit results. Your somebody to enthralled by positions of status and achievements with out understanding why. You are a living Mall mannequin collecting dust.
@Ryfyle
then why would a welder be shitting on college educated , financially prosperous people on GAG? the fact that you're so bitter towards college educated professionals shows how poorly educated and poor you are.
@aliali8 Because you defensive and always reply. You're a gullible rube who has never done anything of any real value, and it shows.
@Ryfyle
I was never defensive. It was you that was extremely bitter about me being a college educated professional.
@Ryfyle Successful educated people will never feel the need to shit on other successful educated people. Your entire reaction was completely unnecessary and unwarranted.
@aliali8 "Sucessful" and "Educated" people know when others are fucking with them. You're neither, your an Addict projecting your insecurities onto others. You were given a degree you never earned and your career exists as busy work to satisfy HR. You have made nothing of worth and have no novel thoughts of your own. I exist on a higher strata and see the bigger picture. Your life is a crude facsimile of "success" rendered in construction paper and smeared crayons. Simple and pathetic, your life does not know crippling failure or loss nor the hardening of resolve. The idea of Challenge is beyond your scope.
@aliali8 You mistake Bitterness for Contempt and Disgust.
@aliali8 You and your kind are the rats that gnaw on the wheezing, bleeding remain of the American Dream! The Haughty children of the Yuppie parasites that worked hand in hand with the decadent Boomers to pawn off Domestic Industry for one more bump of cocaine. You are filth to me, A disease, a Malignant Tumor on society. You have your ambiguous "Degree" for your enigmatic "Career" working some busy work McJob for the Service industry Vampires. You and your kind are a pox to society - worthy only of disdain.
@Ryfyle you just sound jealous and poor as fuck. It’s not my fault you didn’t do well in school
@aliali8 @Ryfyle are you two done making assumptions about each other? I am sure neither of you is stupid or poor.
@aliali8 Why the fuck would I be envious of someone I just called a malignant tumor? Secondly, if you're going to act like a high society bitch, type like it.
@asker
I don’t know why so many men are pissed at my post in the first place. Some losers are just offended by the truth. This douche @Ryfyle has been throwing a huge tantrum ever since my post was up
@aliali8 I know many guys are upset over the question. That's one of the reason I made it. Trigger idiots is fun.
About that guy, I didn't read half of your conversation so I have no idea where he stands.
Hey @Ryfyle what do you think of the question?
@aliali8 Asking for it, Desk Princess.
@Asker Most of those "expectations" are the thought worms of Narcissists who need an excuse for why they are failures. Namely with women.
@Ryfyle so we agree.
Now where did this conversation with @aliali8 started? Where did you guys disagreed?
Because you have been only throwing insults at this point not having an argument.
Was it because she said men want women what have a decent education?
@Asker More like she was backing up AR, and being a snide cunt about it, so I went to work. And seeing as how she never Elaborated on what her fabled Degree or What her career was, I figure it was more Cosmo grade horse shit. A flimsy ideal can't get you everything and being Ambitious is worth far more than A degree. A degree that will leave many stuck with a McJob and thousands of dollars in student loan debt.
@Ryfyle
The education-marriage relationship appears to hold even at these higher levels, as rates of marriage amongst middle-aged women with advanced degrees are now higher than for those which just a bachelor’s degree:
www.google.com/.../
In 2015, among adults ages 25 and older, 65% with a four-year college degree were married, compared with 55% of those with some college education and 50% among those with no education beyond high school. Twenty-five years earlier, the marriage rate was above 60% for each of these groups.
www.google.com/.../%3famp=1
@asker
Even statistics say that educated women tend to Marry more than uneducated women. But the funniest part is , I don’t know why this caused such a huge temper tantrum on here. What is it about this fact that piss people off on here?
@aliali8 Because your a snobby, obnoxious cunt with a "Childhood Education" Degree.
@Ryfyle
presenting statistics and mentioning facts does not make me snobby at all
@aliali8 Statistically, Trump was supposed to loose in the 2016. What happened next? Your bullshit claims hinge on Socioeconomic Stratification, This is more than "marriage" this is about you being a smug, aspiring Neo-Aristocrat.
@aliali8 Your kind are the fucking parasites that are sucking this country dry. Born in to Privilege, you Seek to exploit the everyday working American with your bullshit, just like your Forebears. Rootless Metropolitan Vermin, that will pillage this Country of all its worth than flee like rats to Tahiti or Belize.
@aliali8 I don't think he is fighting stats and facts you are giving he is just fighting you. He is really mad at you for... being a snob apparently.
@Ryfyle can we leave it here? It was funny last week now it's getting old.
@Asker This isn't for your entertainment.
@Ryfyle I know. But it has become for my torment. So either both of you stop. @aliali8 that's for you too or I will have to block you.
@Asker seconly, i'm not just mad, I'm disgusted by that revolting example modern debauchery. Moralizing her decadence while this nation rots. Creatures like her are why 13 Marines died.
@Ryfyle She is just a modern girl that values women's education. If she was nasty to you fuck it. People are mean on the internet that's the rule.
@Asker,
I was never a snob. If you're gonna shit on me for having a college degree and doing well in life, don't be surprised if I shit on you right back. And no, this is not called being a snob. Just shitting back on some jealous bitches.
@aliali8 I never called you a snob. You don't even seem to disagree on any point. Which is what I thought this was all about, but apparently is just about you two no getting along.
Can we all give it a rest?
@Asker, I'm preeettty sure you called me a snob at one point.
@aliali8 I did? He did it many times, but I don't think I have.
I literally just scrolled up. You mean this:
"He is really mad at you for... being a snob apparently."
That was me saying why he was mad at you, I didn't said I agreed with him.
@aliali8 Cutie pie you only make a fool out of yourself. You sure you are old enough for college?
@hallo626262
I'm pretty sure if you went to college, we wouldn't ever needed to have this argument
@nella965 I go to university. Amusing that that's an achievement to you. It for sure isn't for me.
You just aren't very intelligent, that's why I wouldn't want you. Had nothing to do with your education level though. I mean you are litterally the living example...
@Hallo626262
If you had attended university, you wouldn't be so angry and bitter about my post.
@aliali8 what? I'm not bitter I'm shocked how one could make these infantile, ridiculous statements.
@Hallo626262
you are bitter. your comments on here certainly weren't happy.
Fucking LoL! This shit will never end!
@Ryfyle Don't keep this going. We just got another participant and ai will address him now.
@hallo626262 we get it. You all think the other is dumb. You said enough times can we give it a rest for the same of the notifications that just don't stop in this post?
Women still sure are putting up with a lot bs from scum bags. I don’t think their standards are nearly high enough in that regard.
Gotta meet high standards in order to have them.
Sure, I’m sure they did or the guy wouldn’t have pursued them in the first place.
Have a decent income that can support a family and be at least somewhat attractive and easy to get along with. That’s literally it.
Lol so you need to be rich. Dumb whore.
@Hallo626262 Pretty sure that the average household income is $68,703. You don’t have to be rich to build a family, you stupid cunt. Fuck off.
@Hallo626262 Also how does that make me a “whore” so to speak? Sexist much? Get a life, you poor bastard.
It doesn't make you a whore. I'm just disappointed that women care about money so much. You're 21. Already planning a family? I don't get it.
@Hallo626262 You called me one literally a day ago from what I recall. Are we deflecting now? How do you think people thrived back then compared to now?
They didn’t struggling having roommates, they got married when they were in their early 20s and made
do. Obviously money is necessary to maintain a family, you narrow-minded jackass. Why else? You expect women to give birth in grass huts? Grow up.
@Hallo626262 *struggle
It's little bit true but it's mostly how they fantasies about a relationship, how they want to be treated and how they want to be loved... Which is most of the times not really what you get from a partner
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. It's just loser dudes bitching.
@update: There you go. Proves my point.
I am 100% with you.
@update Yeah--you don't need a scientific study to figure this out. Just observe the world around you and it's pretty obvious. Ask 10 guys to rank order the attractiveness of 10 girls and you'll get very, VERY similar results. As 10 girls to do the same with 10 guys and the results will have a lot more variance than they do in the first test.
Correct. We've raised a whole crop of whiny men that don't think they can compete for a girl's attention. And women still loathe weak men, always have, always will.
Are you a dragon slayer? Or a sheepherder?
Define weak.
Weak:
Indecisive
Can't lead
Acquiescent
Doesn't go for what they want.
Doesn't convey attraction and desire.
kisses their ass, worships them.
Won't disagree, won't speak up, fearful, intimidated.
Ever see lions fuck? Are you a MAN? or a MOUSE.
That doesn't sound like a partner anyone would like to have. Neither men or women.
Right. But how many guys do you know that are like that?
Or they'll sit there and whine about being rejected. They have no game, they look like shit, got a half-baked job making minimum wage, or none at all, drink too much, fuck around too much and think women should cow-tow to them. They have created their own situation.
The bottom line is that the burden of performance is on the man. Women want to be taken care of, entertained, fucked well and hard, and you have to make them laugh. And they want to know you have the means to support them and the 84 children they eventually want to have with you. If you're dead-assed broke you're immediately crossed off the list.
And you gotta have some game. You've got to be able to TALK to women. Social skills are learned. And you have to have irrational confidence. No woman is wowed by a man that has no confidence.
I agree many don't work their ass and they became undesirable because of their laziness.
And married men too. They give up the romance part of their relationship, ignore their wife, spend too much time drinking beer on the sofa watching football, or playing video games, doesn't sex her up, doesn't tell her how much he adores her, and doesn't entertain her. She gets way fukkin bored, then shuts down sexually, cheats bails or any combination of these. She goes looking for some excitement, or is open to approach by CHAD THUNDERCOCK.
And then he stands there crying in his beer cuz he thought he did everything right - he did everything she asked for, up to a point, then just called her a nag. He gets his just desserts. And then you hear the famous, "I love him but I'm not IN LOVE with him anymore." And then he has to share custody with her with the kids, and has no control over what strange men she rotates through their home. And teaches the kids he's a deadbeat, they learn to hate him. At least till they grow up.
Nice tricks, huh?
The number one reason for divorce is lack of commitment. Men need to be on top of their game all the time.
Well, that has some truth to it, but commitment is just one piece of the puzzle.
What we DO know is that men love idealistically. They will tend to hang in there just hoping things will improve.
Women love opportunistically. As long as they believe their needs are being met they're all in. If they change their mind, which they so often do, if they get bored, or disillusioned, they will shut down sexually, cheat or bail, or any combination of these. Which leave them susceptible to being approched by CHAD THUNDERCOCK. Sometimes she'll even go looking for him.
Need some proof? 75-80% of divorces are initiated by women. They are much more ready and willing to throw in the towel. The terms loyalty and commitment are nebulous terms for the female brain. It is ALWAYS and ALL about their FEELINGS. Which are subject to change at any given moment. Just ask them!! And you'll hear the famous, "I love him but I'm not IN LOVE with him any longer." It's just reality.
No there's truth to it. If you're fat or overweight, you gotta hit the gym because girls only want muscular or fit/lean guys & if you're short, you're gonna have a really hard time trying to find girls who will date you. You also need to have some money & good job. Please tell me you're not a simp
My issue on that sentence "only want muscular or fit/lean guys" is the "only". Sure they like a fir guy, but many guys out there with dad bods have girlfriends.
Because they have money and are financially stable lol
If they do have girlfriends, most of these guys have to be in their 30s
Not at all. When I was in university many guys with dad bods, were still students so money yet, had girlfriends.
Being average and having a good personality takes you a long way.
If you're blue pilled and believe that bullshit yeah sure. But if you're red pilled, you know you need a lot more than a good personality
Good personality is what make the relationship work in the long term.
If that helps you sleep at night okay then 👌
This video indicates otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ONHDmDD8s&t=17sAnd that video is law?
Hardly, because not 100% of women have unrealistic standards. However, the lady is intelligent and since she was a match maker she would have a very good feel for women's expectations.
No. Made up by fairytales, romantic movies and novels
It depends where you are looking and what YOUR (the man's) standards are. Find someone who matches your standards. Do not shoot too far above or below your own standards.
I think with this stereotype it's true, It is just because Women try to protect themselves more because they are more use to Guys trying to take advantage of them.
Yes largely because most women don't insist on these physical or monetary aspects but men who can't pull some hot high maintenance golddigger tarnish all women with the same brush
We want big dicks and a daddy who earns like hell hahaha. We want hubby to spoil wifey 😜
Eww get beaten.
Haha why beaten
Ignore that pathetic cunt rag. Just another misogynistic, inflated ego.
I think these are very common misconceptions and I thank you for clearing that up.
Consider the fact that if you aren't any of those things and a guy comes along that is she will drop you and not give a shit.
In what world do you live in?
Reality. You?
You live in Narnia.
Women don't just leave because another random guy comes along. Unless she didn't really loved you.
Women don't love you the way that you think dude.
Oh you are one of those who wrongly believes that women can't love men for who they are.
Well give me proof of that.
Ok dumbass here's your spoon fed redpills
https://youtu.be/MsW6sJBFB2U
https://youtu.be/SqB9vhR5bJc
https://youtu.be/MSq54f2JT_U
Your whole premise is bullshit saying "mEn ArE JuSt MaKiNg tHiNgS uP!" Think for a minute why so many dudes are saying the same thing there is a reason
Not a single word if those videos is true for the majority of the population.
You can plug your ears and go lalalal all you want. It doesn't change reality.
And yes, it is for the majority of the population, otherwise you wouldn't see so many guys complaining about the exact same thing. You're simping dude and it's obnoxious, provide your proof to the contrary, and keep in mind women file for divorce 4x as much as men that's over 80% do you think these women love dude "for who they are"
They file for divorce more exactly for who they are. Do you know what is the number one cause for divorce?
Lack of commitment
The fact that women and men cheat just as much as each other throws your narrative out the window
Not really. Yes they cheat at similar rates, but we were talking about divorce and why marriages end. Cheating is not even close to be the main cause. Lack of commitment is. Which means lack of effort put into the relationship and love given.
Yeah, not buying that bullshit, how many stories are there of great guys being left by their wife? At every single point in this argument you have been backpedaling and blaming the men, you wanna talk about lack of commitment when these hoes bail on a guy 80% of the time and say that it's the men's fault 🤣 you know what the real cause is? Everything you mentioned in the OP and the fact that women have a hypergamous sexual dating strategy while men do not.
Not many that I know off. I know more stories about men cheating on good wives.
Hypergamy is the same as gold digging. Very few women actually do that.