Should mixed fights that allow groin strikes be allowed?

[TashaAmiee]

Woman often have their own separate division but I think with some rules tweaking, like legal groin strikes there could be an even match between guys v girls. What do you think?

Yes, I think it would make for interesting fights

No, it would be unfair in some way

[0112358]

It would still be unfair and frankly dangerous for women. Yes it's a vulnerable spot. No it doesn't make men weaker than women in a fight.

The original ufc fights had no prohibition on groin shots. Plenty of martial arts were designed for combat not sport. None of them entirely dedicated themselves to trying to hit the opponent in the balls.

[Coyote07]

I think at MMA level (bare hands, bare feet) it would be dangerous for men and women. I mean, it already is pretty dangerous.

But I do think you are overestimating how much of an advantage men would have if weight classes were the same. In original MMA, they still wore cups, not to mention they had motivation not to abuse the rule because their opponent could do the same.

No, it's not a magic fight ender at any skill level. It depends on a lot of factors. Most importantly, how much the man has trained to defend against groin strikes, and how much the woman has trained to use them (both as feints and not). Another factor is simply that some men are more compact and "tucked away" down there, while others naturally have more "target" exposed from more angles. A guy who has more area to protect is going to struggle more to prevent his opponent's kicks from connecting with his testicles. And that in turn means he is forced to respect her feints even more.

But overall, yes, the man would typically still have the advantage at the same weight class.

[Josh4206]

How is thay an even match? You punch a dude in the balls he's done

[TashaAmiee]

Well men have the traditional strength advantage so I feel like it'd be more balanced

[RileyP]

You don't think a guy would stand a chance at all? I mean, he'd probably be stronger for one thing. I get it, the testicles are very weak, but do you really think it gives girls that much of an advantage?

[Josh4206]

Definitely does because that's all they'd do because that's any guys weakness

[RileyP]

I thought guys were supposed to be the stronger sex, yet you're admitting that they aren't. I'm surprised to hear a guy so willing to acknowledge it.

[Josh4206]

Fights don't let you punch people in the balls lmao. . .

[RileyP]

Fights with no rules do. Imagine a girl fighting a guy that's not in a competition with rules. There's no reason for her to avoid attacking his balls, right?

[Josh4206]

Yeah thats called a cheapshot and is looked down upon. . . Whoever gets the first hit wins basically. If the dude punches her first in the head then its over too

[RileyP]

That's my point. You said that it wouldn't be an even match to the original question because a punch in the balls would finish him, but now you're saying that a guy could punch her first in the head and win. So apparently it would be an even fight after all.

I don't see why either is a cheap shot anyway. Testicles are a part of the male body just like a head.

[Josh4206]

So would you be fine with a guy pulling your hair and possibly removing it from your head?

[RileyP]

In a fight with no rules, then anything goes, though the original question was about some kind of competition that would presumably have some rules. I don't think hair pulling for either gender would be allowed. Sorry if it sounds like I'm being rude. I'm just surprised at your answer about groin strikes tipping the advantage to girls by so much.

[Josh4206]

Some rules as in no groin hits exactly. If you want some rules then you can't only have rules for guys lmao

[RileyP]

Fair point. Would you be afraid to fight a girl if groin strikes were allowed?

[TashaAmiee]

I mean the rule would be uniform groin strikes, I never said it was explicitly for male groin strikes only. It would be even on the rules

[Josh4206]

Thats already a rule in most fights, no grojn strike from either gender.

[RileyP]

Yes, that's true about that rule banning groin strikes nearly always existing, but the point of the question is to think about what might happen if that rule didn't exist.

[Josh4206]

Was replying to the other person, but if that rule didn't exist it would change very little since in order to kick/hit there you have to put yourself at risk of getting knocked out

[RileyP]

Ok. Your original answer made it sound like you think girls would always win in such a situation. I'm confident that I would have a good chance of winning in such a situation.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@RileyP hello, muay thai fighter here. No, it wouldn't be enough to fill the gap between men and women. It's not hard to avoid such a kick and capitalize on it.

[Jowm00]

@RileyP or even worse, grab a man by the balls and squeeze. Having been on the receiving end of such a grip, I can attest to how helpless the man in that position is, and how absolutely powerful the woman with his low hangers trapped between her fingers is.

[Jhonrembo]

@RileyP I have been training and coaching Krav Maga and Survival for many, many years. Where I train today is allowed to kick the crotch and still most of the time women lose in combat. For several reasons: 1. When it comes to kicking in crime, men keep their eggs much longer. 2. Their absorption capacity for beating eggs is higher. 3. They are still in most cases much stronger and more aggressive. What is true in most cases is that men do lose it as a result of a strong blow to the eggs that hit them hard. It's also funny to me twice that a little girl with a precise and quick kick to the balls hires a big man to the floor who howls in pain.😂

[GeorgeL221aw]

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[GeorgeL221aw]

@Jhonrembo Can you tell us more? Like a 12 year old girl defeating a grown man? WOW.

[Nikkkkkk]

Not at all, I think you're getting it very wrong, talking from someone who actually took them

[Lesson82]

@RileyP It is difficult for a man to admit because we are the stronger sex but we have also been dropped before even by a smaller girl because yes with no rules and no protection yes girls do have a slight advantage not because she is stronger but because our balls are weaker. I wouldn't be scared to fight you but I'm aware I could loose again to a girl. So go ahead and gloat and tease me but I have to be honest because I know how hard girls can kick.

[Nikkkkkk]

@Lesson82 Not me tho. Actually, I think it's quite the opposite. Not only a groinshot isn't always a fight ender, but a punch to to the face by a man to a woman usually is. I have had a few experiences and I can assure you that

[Lesson82]

@Nikkkkkk I definitely can agree there but I have been taken down by a younger girl even though it was always a cheap shot and I wasn't trying to hurt her. But I also agree one kick in the groin will drop every man but I will say a 14 year old girl that knows that if you can get one shot in it will stop a man for a second an she gets in 2or3 hard knees your going down and if she grabs you by your balls once you are down your staying down. Also if you are in close you have to worry about even just a grab if she grabs you tight and squeezes you will stopx and every time you move because you are thinking of striking and she squeezes your done.

[Nikkkkkk]

@Lesson82 mmmmmm, it isn't quite my experience and I actually got some friends with similar experiences too. I actually got kneed clean and twice in the balls by a girl at a party and I still dropped her with a few direct punches. Many of my friends had similar experiences, the pain in the abdominal area is intense but if you got experience with pain you can undoubtedly resist it, surely I wouldn't wanna get kicked by some MMA fighter or anything like that but getting a clean groin shot isn't that easy either, the girl who did it to me simply had the surprise advantage on her side since she started

[Lesson82]

@Nikkkkkk I'm not saying some can take it but good on you to be able to fight back after she had 2 good shots on you and you were able to fight back I may have been able also but she did not let up and I really don't want to admit but in most cases girls will unfortunately win but like you obviously not all the time and you will hear that from a lot of girls on hear

[Axel1969]

@RileyP Just think of any guy that has even faced a girl even without out training regardless of age that has been dropped by her although they would be embarrassed to admit but it happens a lot I'm sure. So yes I should know and it sucks but if groin shots were allowed then I would say girls more times than none will win with the guy in pain on the floor holding is balls.

[Nikkkkkk]

@Lesson82 I agree on some things but I gotta disagree on the final result. Probably guys would still win the vast majority of the fight even if a groinshot was a fightender simply because one good shot anywhere on a their female opponent would be the exact equivalent of the groinshot. Also, I'm not superhuman or anything, I have quite a few friends with similar experiences and they're not Marines or MMA fighters but pretty common people

[Nikkkkkk]

@Axel1969 I doubt that

[Anonymous]

So according to your line of thought, in real life, when there are no rules, men and women are about evenly matched?
Of course not. Yes, men have this weak spot, but they're still way stronger.

[TashaAmiee]

I don't know, guys get a 5 minute break in MMA fights if they take one to the cup. And most guys who've answered have said it would be unfair. To me that signifies that guys are sort of scared to fight women with those rules because they would lose a lot

[Opinion Owner]

So you think women are stronger than men?

[TashaAmiee]

I mean maybe not physically but its pretty clear they have a chance in a fight and have their own advantages

[Opinion Owner]

Men are stronger, way stronger. Do we have a chance? Yes. A dumb guy might keep his groin open, or his head, or his throat. A professional wouldn't.

[TashaAmiee]

But a professional female fighter would also know how to place those strikes more effectively I feel like it would offer girls a chance. same weight class and things obviously

[Opinion Owner]

Just like any other sport, if your take away the division between men and women, it would be the same as eliminating the women.

[TashaAmiee]

I mean agree too disagree I suppose

[Mikey876]

I was in karate class and I forgot my cup. Big mistake. I was against a girl and I had the upper hand until she kicked me in the balls in the last minute and I was in agony instantly and I couldn't get up. So I got beat. I couldn't last for 5 mins at all without a cup. But it is still really painful with it on.

[Nikkkkkk]

In early days UFC it was allowed and in fact no guy ever got beaten because of it. A guy punched another like 5 or more times in the balls and they were extremely clean shots. Now they go down because it's illegal and takes off point from the opponent. If you want to search it up, I suggest Keith Hackney vs Joe Son

[Lesson82]

I don't think they would necessarily be afraid but it would definitely be on their mind and may be thinking this is unfair but still have to man up and get her before she gets you in the ball's or grabs you there is a slight advantage and it definitely would benefit the woman and the guy's that lose just has to suck up his pride because he won't be the only one 😳🫣

[Axel1969]

Most of the guy's that have said it would be unfair probably grew up with a little sister and they know that age didn't matter and ended up on the floor a lot and lost to her because she always went for his balls. So are they a little worried that they will get beat by girl again but because of their ego they will still try and will find himself curled up at her feet and walking funny for days like he did when he was younger lol

[Nikkkkkk]

@Axel1969 Feels kinda like you're projecting it and a bit of a fetish. No shaming by the way but if you just watch a few fights on the streets you will see that the man has the upper hand the vast majority of the time

[RileyP]

I would enjoy seeing such matches. I think it would be very interesting and difficult to know who would win with such rules.

[MichealDal]

Maybe I feel like boys would still have an edge

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[HaylenDorn]

@RileyP I mean would it changes things all that much?

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[Strongballs25]

I wish you kick in my balls 😃

[RileyP]

@Strongballs25 Are you sure? I don’t think you’d be able to take it very well.

[Strongballs25]

Yeah I would, my balls are strong 😊, let's start chat, message me. That's my favorite part of kick in my testicle

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[DrearyMark]

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[AnthonyR32]

@RileyP lol these guys thinking it would give girls a chance are clearly wusses. Nothing would change with those rules, guys would still dominate

[JohnBellagio96]

Would the sheer vulnerability and weakness of the testicles not give women the advantage? One good hit to the balls and the dude is likely done for if he's anything like me. He also will be forced to respond to feints to the balls and leave his head and throat open. The inverse is also true, a feint to the throat or head will leave his balls wide open to devastating attacks.

[jman1029]

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[Vegeta2]

I´ve been training martial arts since I´m 8 years old, so I have quite a bit of experience in fights with mixed gender.
Men usually are taller, giving us more reach and other tactical advantages, like making it easier to kick your opponents head. We are also stronger, wich is a huge deal. Strength allowes us to take a lot of hits without taking much damage while making our attaks more dangerous. If I fight an average women I can ignore a large part of her attacks without taking much pain. This is due to rules that forbid attacking weak spots like neck, eyes, knees and groin. She on the other hand has to be extremly carefull, since most of my attacks could cause enough damage to her for me to follow up with a fight ending combination. While she is forced to go all out I can decide if I want to tire her out while holding some of my strength back or if I just go all out, too and overwhelm her. I have so many advantages and absolute controll over the pace while she has pretty much nothing going on for her. It´s a very onesided fight and not much fun for anyone.
As a teenager I didn´t use a groin cup, since I couldn´t really find one that properly fitted. While aiming for the groin on purpose was forbidden, there always was a risk that one of the kicks accidentally hit the groin. Boys where always very carefull about that, but some girls where not. So I had some fights with girls that I knew had a bad aim with their kicks. Compared to fights where groin shots where not such a risk, I couldn´t just fight as if I was invincible. I had to focus way more on my own defense wich releaved some of the pressure from her. I also couldn´t easily overwhelm her with hyperagressive attacks without opening myself to the significant risk that one of her counterkicks hits my groin. Over all it was way more fun to fight her then to fight the girls that made sure to never accidentally hit the groin. It was painfull sometimes, but a kick to the groin isn´t more painfull then a kick to the liver, so i didn´t really mind that. I already knew I didn´t want to have kids so I wasn´t too worried about injuries. It is martial arts after all, any failed kick that hits your knee might prevent you from ever doing sports as unrestricted as now again. Every hit to the head can cause brain bleeding and possibly kill you. Compared to that the risk of groin injury doesn´t sound that bad anymore. Overall it was a even fight that was fun for both of us and allowed me to enjoy a lot of adrenaline. Covering up the mans weak spot without giving the women some advantage in return also didn´t seem very fair to me at all, and I hate being unfair.

There are more options the just allow or forbid groin strikes. You can allow only specific attaks (front leg kicks because they are weaker then rear leg kicks or punches wich are generally weaker then kicks). Usually groin cups are designed to prevent your soft parts from taking the hit and if I wear mine I dont feel any groin pain, even with a strong kick. You could allow some padding to reduce the pain of such a hit to a reasonable level and reduce the risk of injury without completly taking groin strikes out of the equation. The problem is, as soon as you propose something like that face to face you´r most likely considered a weirdo and people might start spreading unpleasant storys. I might just take a look at the next Krav Maga club (I´ve never done this MA before). If there's a women nearby who wouldn´t mind using groin strikes in a sparring Krav should be the most likely place to find her.

[Lewis12]

That is nice for the boys wearing a cup. I was warming up with my opponent and she was a girl who was a bit younger than me but I was just trying to pull her legs up and I was pulling her out of the mats. Then she suddenly kicked me unpurpose in the balls extremely extremely hard to free her legs and she had no shoes on. Her toes dug right in my balls very forcefully!! Ohhh it was very very horrible because I didn't have a cup on. I was crying and telling the coach that he was asking the boys in the hall and the girls were listening and I was one of 3 people who didn't have a cup on. So I was crying for ages and I was screaming at her and telling everyone that she knew I didn't have a cup on my underwear because I was worried about it hurting me. I was crying and sitting in the accident room and I was in a lot of pain. Then I got a visit from the club nurse and I was in agony and rolled over on the floor.. eventually I had to sit on the bed and I was crying and telling her I couldn't feel one of my balls and I felt like being sick as well. She said it was very silly to be playing karate and not even wearing a cup. I thought she crushed my left testicle with her nasty horrible kick. But then the nurse said push your hand in your shorts and feel down above your abdomen. I felt it there and slowly pushed it out from my abdomen into my sack and I was relieved that it wasn't broken but it was very very painful and I couldn't play any sports for 2 weeks. The lesson is for boys to always wear a cup. The girl was laughing about it in the changing room and someone told the coach and she was suspended from the club for a month.

[Anonymous]

No. If you allow groin strikes against women and men, it wouldn’t change anything because you can also strike women in the groin. If you just allowed them against men, I still doubt it would change much. The physical differences are just too significant. Guys would win every time, and women would likely be left with life threatening injuries.

[Axel1969]

It would definitely benefit the girls regardless of the size of the guy if groin shots are allowed without protection the guy would definitely try and protect against it but he would leave himself open every else and he will eventually leave his balls open for her to kick knee or grab then he would more than likely tend up at her feet holding his balls while she stands over him laughing saying come on get up so I can get you again lol

[aceleon]

this is cheating in every sense.

but no, it still wouldn't win you matches we can kick your couchy too and we have generally longer legs so we have more reach.

[notwoke]

there would be a lot of badly injured women and everyone would be outraged. I agree this would result in some men getting badly hurt, but this would not be the norm, and would not cause much outrage

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Anyone who knows anything about fighting know that would not be enough to fill the gap there is between women and men.

[Catlover1992]

It can definitely balance each other but the fights would be shorter. One hit to the balls and it's over.

[Nikkkkkk]

Not quite

[Catguy92]

The ball hits are the worst and girls have a homing device for hitting the balls at any opportunity so the guys would lose.

[icequeen03]

LMAO girls would destroy guys

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

They need to hit and they need to go down. Not only is a very easy to defend kick also with adrenaline rushingany guys don't go down.

[Jingle-Balls]

@icequeen03 Not if he's a well trained guy though? ;)

[Strongballs25]

Yes, I love it, I wish girls kick my testicles 😍

[quetimporta]

yeah xd xd

[TropicThunder]

i agree it would be fair tbh. even the odds for sure.

[quetimporta]

@TropicThunder Have you had any experiences like that?

[TropicThunder]

yeah i have been hit there lol

[TropicThunder]

you have any experiences?

[quetimporta]

@TropicThunder Yes too. Could you tell me some of your experiences?

[TropicThunder]

sure