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I dont know but they seem to only want chad and tyrone
True. But it seems to me that attractive women want Chad and Tyrone. Not necessarily the average looking women. If a woman is pretty she knows it. She says, "I'm an attractive woman and I deserve to be with an attractive man."
@Cathy7734 well the attractive woman certainly does but average or somewhat below average will not settle for anyone less than Chad and Tyrone
As below average guy who has dated a few above average looking women, I can say quite confidently, most women don't do that.
I wish i was dating in the 90's
Son, I was dating up until 5 years ago.
Why is it that so many young males at GaG lack confidence? It is the confidence that is the problem. Not your looks.
Because looks and genetics definitely can be a man's downfall
Like I said dude, until you get the confidence to get off your computer and get out into public to meet women, you don't have a chance. It doesn't matter if you are Zac Efron.
Okay
Because above average looking men will f**k them and they think they can marry guys that will f**k them. Of course, that is unrealistic because guys f**k down but they marry equals.
Probably for the same reason average looking men find average looking women unattractive or rather "undesirable"
Literally this
That's not true. Men have a wider range of what they find attractive compared to women. A man can be attracted an average looking women. Guys aren't women. We think differently in terms of attraction. And women can have these standards, fine go for it. But stop the bullshit that men are shallow or put you high standards on women because that's false
Women too can be attracted to average looking men as well as so also have wide range of what we find attractive. It very much happens all the time lol. Not really sure why you're so hostile about it😂eat a snickers
Not really. The 80/20 rule says otherwise. Women are chasing the top 20% of men. Hell even male virginity is on the rise. Most men are invisible to women. And how am i being hostile? Disagreeing with you doesn't mean im hostile
Never said disagreeing = hostility? "But stop the bullshit" pretty hostile. But ok. And lol yeah that really doesn't mean that women don't have a wide range of preferences when it comes to men. Men chase after things they can't have and prefer beautiful women all the time. Most of you preach about not wanting an average looking woman lol. Women get luckier with men because most of y'all think with your other head and thus a lot of women get to have the more attractive men. Maybe have a little more respect for yourselves and most of you wouldn't come off so desperate, thus ending up at the bottom of the list🤔
a lot of men are perfectly okay with average looking women. Men dont need a model or a girl with big asses and tits to be happy. And you may say women have a wide range but again the 80/20 rule says otherwise. And ill say this again men and women are different. Men chase because men are the pursuers. Women don't have to do any chasing so why would they need to be desperate? In the dating world men play it on veteran difficulty. Women play it on recruit. That's just how things are
Sure. You sound pathetic but sure. Have the life you deserve byee:)
Calling me pathetic because you don't agree with me 😂
No I agree with her, I’ve seen it countless times where average looking guys are looking to date up in terms of looks. More so than average girls
I sadly know guys like this. Not the best looking, but often a TERRIBLE personality, not always, but often. And NO DOUBT one that would cause MASSIVE issues in any relationship. Yet even when I've tried SO MANY TIMES to have a man to man heart to heart he ignores, makes excuses, or often, changes subjects. He's never dated ever in his life. He badly wants to. He's 30 and does delivery as a job. Guess the sorta girl he looks for?
I HATE seeing a guy in this sort of situation and I can imagine by 35 maybe he'll finally change, but may be too late. Or he'll have a relationship that goes TERRIBLE and learn that way. Can't say didn't warn him.
Ofc, he seems more focused in improving looks with little to no improvements on other things. I've questioned the friendship so many times, but I feel a duty as a guy whose somewhat like a bro to him to at least try and help em out as I hold a creed of no guy getting left behind for this kind of thing if possible.
@Asker what? then who wants a woman that can cook for him 24/7, has clear skin with a skinny bodyshape, wants a natural looking girl and if she has a natural looking face it doesn't look perfect. Women are not men. They only want a man that treats them like a human being.
I'm absolutely not calling you pathetic because I don't agree with you lmao. I don't agree with a lot of people on a lot of things and yet I don't find them pathetic. But hey, if that's what will make you feel good about yourself then sure, THAT'S why I called you pathetic😂😂
@Guccigabbana18 They dony don't nearly as much as women do. Women are to extent hypergamous. Men are not hypergamous but women look to date up because it's part of female nature and that's not a bad thing nor are you evil for doing so. And one woman a while ago that was honest said that there are things one gender does more than the other. People will just say the other gender does it too to make it seem like both genders do the same to feel better about it. But she said men and wonen are different. Both see and play the dating differently. We're looking at the dating world through different lense. Men wear one lense in dating, women wear another
Because average looking women think they are better looking than they are.
I don't agree when you said otherwise they wouldn't get married. People often admit to settling for their spouse.
If you were a woman would you give an average looking guy's semen access to your womb?
Im not a woman though. That's not a strong counter argument. Im a man. Men and womrn are different
Because they have princess syndrome and if a guy who’s really attractive looks in their direction then they believe that’s what they are entitled to have as their knight in shining armor
Because what you may call average she thinks she is a God Gift to men
Before the modern advertising age, substance was more important.
Now it is flash and cash.
because as much as we hate to admit it we want someone way better, we want the eye candy. we want someone that looks good with us.
Hypergamy is stamped into the female DNA. Plus, pussy-beggars and white knights have convinced most women that their vaginas are made of gold.
Probably cause of your character lol
We're not talking about personality. Cut the politically correct shit already
See that's what i meant lmao
You've probably never been out in the real world. I only have to walk through the city once and see thousands of "average" looking couples. Your question is completely ridiculous
Please use something more than "I've seen so and so with this person". That's a piss poor counter argument. I've had experiences, seen and observe other men's problems and millions of men will tell ya that average looking is not enough. We have to be high value males. 80/20 rule had dats to back it up. I go with statistics, not I've seen blah blah blah
Stats*
His personality, appearance and lack of resources.
@melanieeeB I agree with you. He has no people skills nor real world experience. People like him need to be institutionalized. I bet he doesn't connect well with people at work that's if he even has a job. He doesn't have friends I can tell and his level of education is low aswell. He's very fragile easy to offend due to his low self esteem. @asker listen to the advice given. Stop being so sensitive
@Uptowngirl88 You're a woman so of course its going to be easier for you to engaged with people especially when it comes to dating. I don't get why people try to act like society is not superficial. Women only want to date up and that's fine. You women are not evil or bad for doing so. You just don't like average looking men and that's cool. Men have must create value, women must protect their value. And we can argue you're being sensitive since you came onto someone else's opinion just to agree but also add your own stuff to the mix by criticizing me
Why do men always like to date younger women?
Because these men didn't get to date them when they were younger. And now that they're successful as older men, they figure they dont have to play by the rules and can date younger women
That’s not true. People begin dating as young as 16 today
Not all guys date when they're 16. a lot of men have to wait til they're older to date
A man’s prime is late 20s to early 30s. By the time most men hit 40, they’re no longer in their prime. We don’t find sagginess , wrinkles , weight gain, hair loss , erectile dysfunction to be attractive.
Explain why millions of oldee men fine dating easier when they're older? A man must create his value. Women are born with it
So a man’s prime is late 20s to early 30s but a woman’s prime is like 16 to 30? That seems a little unfair. Most men don’t have a hope in hell of a good deal until 25 and so long as they are successful, they can get great dates with young women well into their 40s.
@asker @Shamalien
In 2020, the average age of marriage for males was 33.
www.theknot.com/content/average-age-of-marriage
Most guys are taken or snatched up and have kids by the time they hit 40.
@asker
Best dating years for a man is 20-30s. This is when the sperm is the best Ans where looks are the best for men. The older a man gets the less likely he is to get married. Most guys are married or taken by 40
@Shamalien
You’re just lying to make yourself feel better. Most guys get snatched up and married in their 30s
Right... I’m 27 irl... u married?
@Shamalien
I’m 26, not planning on getting married. I’m just gonna have kids
Oh great, more fucked up shittily raised kids. Just wonderful. Kids need a dad, one that is present consistently in their lives, that’s why we have marriage. If you’re not gunna get married or non legally binding equivalent of then don’t have kids
@Shamalien
I’m not getting married because true love is hard to find. I’m not gonna get married to a man who is just gonna cheat on me with someone 20 years younger by the time I hit 40.
46% of all marriages end up in divorce anyways. Plenty of kids with divorced parents who see dad 1 time a month. How is this so different from being a single mom?
I’ve personally met tons of kids raised by single moms who are more well behaved and successful than kids raised by both parents
@Shamalien
What makes you think getting marriage is a garuantee that kids will see their dad everyday?
Almost half of all marriages do not last
Oh yeah so why even try right? Just ensure the kids have no dad, real productive fix there. Yeah I won’t be taking advice from you thanks
@Shamalien
I honestly don’t think dads are necessary. Having a grandfather or uncle as a father figure does the same job.
I’m sure your kids will agree with you
... NOT!
Exactly because it gets easier when they're older. Do you want me to explain the Candy store analogy?
@Shamalien
It’s actually very common for fathers to abandon their kids. There are a lot of grown adults who grew up without a dad. They still end up being full well functioning adults with good jobs.
I grew up being abused by my father, I wished I never had a father. I would have been much happier being raised by a single mom
Comes to show how unnecessary dads are
“Why don’t I have a dad mommy?”
-> “ Well you see honey, mommy just didn’t think it was necessary!”
They’ll love it. Fuck women can be so selfish these days
I’m sorry to hear that. I really think you need therapy before kids though. If you choose a good man he won’t abuse you or your kids and there are plenty of em out there
@Shamalien
I’m gonna tell you this again
I WOULD HAVE HAD A WAYY BETTER CHILDHOOD GROWING UP WITH A SINGLE MOM THAN WITH MY DAD
Because that’s how men evolved. How ever there is a way around this that women seem to have forgotten. Today between say 16 and 28 women play the field they fuck who they want and collect bodies. ( men hate this ) they are screwing the pretty boys , they waste their time on males who will never be loyal because these men have options like every woman does.
So they start worrying about the biological clock they hate so much all their friends are getting married, making families so they realize pretty boy ain’t going to marry them. He’s busy fucking all of them he can. ( I don’t blame him )
So the females drag a man up they think they can live with usually some dude who has loved them for years and who got put on the back burner for extra validation when needed. He’s not going to measure up to the pretty boys she's programmed herself into liking. she's going to be unhappy she’s going to make him unhappy. It goes further
The way around this is find the man who loves you early in your adult life. One who matches your goals , make a life plan give this man of yourself while you are beautiful. He will fall in love and bond to you and will always see that beautiful girl he married. Even after your ass has fell into your socks. This is how to keep a man. Send the adult males packing they are no good and are not men.
Therapy. You would have had a better childhood growing up with a better dad
@AncientWisdom
Most men get married in 30s, not 40-50s.
So if you want marriage , your best bet is to not waste your 20-30s fucking around. It gets increasingly difficult for
Men to get married as they get older
@Shamalien
You assume that all kids of single moms aren’t happy. Well guess what? I would’ve been way happier without a dad. I wished I never had a dad ever in my life.
Guess what? I’m college educated , polite , well mannered , have morals , intelligent and have a good job,
I agree somewhat what you are describing is why it’s a problem for bother sexes. I do not blame women at all. There is an over abundance of adults people who behave as children. Seeking instant self gratification, don’t want to do anything to help themselves. I have employed people for a long time there is not much I haven’t seen to be honest I’m disgusted with human behavior. I teach my family to distrust people because most are no good and don’t give a rats ass about anyone else but themselves.
@Shamalien
I’d rather have one amazing single mom than a mom and a shitty dad. I’d rather have no dad than a shittty dad
@shaysh87 I read the comment you sent to @shamalein if this description is true you are an exception to the rule , and a gem. Outstanding young woman.
Exceptions to the rule dont break the rule
@asker
Being raised by a single mom really does not mean your kids will be unhappy or that your kids can’t succeed. In fact I’ve seen many kids raised by single moms and dads who end up being more successful than kids raised by both parents
When you’re raised by a single parent. You don’t have things handed to you as readily, you learn the art of responsibility wayy earlier on in life because you have to help mom get housework done on time or help mom cook and get dinner ready on time
A lot of these kids who grew up with two parents barely know how to cook until they are 21 years old.
Except dads are the leaders. A son needs a dad and a daughter needs a dad. Again rare exceptions don't disprove the rule. In general both kids do better when both parents and in general dads keep sons out of jail & daughters off of stripper poles
@asker
Nobody cares about the rule If plenty and plenty of exceptions exist. I’m an exception myself. I grew up with an abusive dad yet I’m a well adjusted adult with a good job. So why would you insist my kid being raised by a single mom must be doomed?
@asker
It’s like saying overweight people have higher chance of getting cancer. It doesn’t mean that all overweight people will get cancer. There are plenty of overweight people without cancer
Congratulations. Im not looking at rare exceptions. Im looking at things from a general perspective. You can tell me about your lifestyle blah blah blah. Kids need their dads. Im tired of this politically correct bullshit society says about how mother can lead their kids to success without their fathers. They need both parents
@asker
Just because you’re overweight , it doesn’t mean you will get cancer
Just because you’re a single mom, it doesn’t mean your son will be a criminal
It’s time to wake up
@asker
I’m saying this because it’s the truth , not because it’s politically correct.
You act on emotion with no logic. If you want a better chance at not getting cancer you eat healthy and stay in shape. Yeah fat cigar smoking fucks live to 100 but that’s very rare. Give your kids some better odds in life by marrying a good man
@Shamalien
You don’t seem to be very intelligent. You still don’t understand
Fat people are “more likely” to get cancer
It doesn’t mean all fat people “will” get cancer
There are plenty of fat people who don’t have cancer.
Same thing applies to single moms.
Kids raised by single moms are” less likely” to succeed.
It doesn’t mean all kids born to single moms “ won’t “ succeed
There are plenty of kids born to single moms who DO succeed
@Shamalien
It’s quality over quantity. It’s better to have one amazing parent than a mom and a shitty dad. So no, you’re not completely fucked being raised by a single mom. I’d rather than a good single mom than two shitty parents
That's your truth. But for the most part again in general kids need both parents. Dads are important. Again dads keep sons out of jail and daughters off stripper poles. Moms have their importance too
Can you please stop straw manning?
@asker @Shamalien
I am confident that I’ll be an amazing mom. I know what it takes to be raised well. My abusive childhood taught me a lot about parenting. So quit questioning or doubting me.
I hope you. I hope you are
In the nicest possible way you need therapy you have daddy issues and it’s gunna deprive your kid. Just because you were deprived of a good dad doesn’t mean your kids should be as well.
@Shamalien @asker
I had a dad Ans I still needed therapy. I wouldn’t need therapy if I was raised by a single l
@Shamalien
Fun fact : I was deprived of a decent father and I still turned out fine, I have a good job. Well mannered polite, good morals , intelligent. Don’t rob or steal
Now why would you insist my kids would be doomed to fail?
@Shamalien
Even if i picked a dad, it doesn’t mean he won’t abandon his kids. Plenty of men abandon their kids
@asker
I had a dad And I still needed therapy. I wouldn’t need therapy if I was raised by a single mom
That's your opinion and maybe so. But again in GENERAL dads need to be in the kids life too
@asker
You can’t demand a perfect childhood. Life is not perfect. My childhood is not perfect but I still turned out fine. You can’t shelter your kids from the world all the time or think they’re gonna fucking die without a dad.
Your kids need to be exposed to the realities of life in order to develop them into resilient strong responsible individuals who can survive and thrive on their own.
An inexperienced parent thinks that the way to raise successful children is to shelter them from the world , an experienced parent understands the importance of letting their children face obstacles Head on with the mothers guidance.
In life, you’re not always gonna get what you want, it is no excuse to not succeed
@asker
I had a very rough past. I had an abusive father , I was bullied by a teacher in school, I was even traumatized as a teenager. I had no support from my family and I had no friends that I could rely on. I had to endure years of abuse torment And pain.
Guess what? I am now stronger Ans more resilient than other kids who were extremely sheltered while growing up. Sheltered kids are the ones who can’t take life’s pain or disappointments. They don’t know how to deal with obstacles. They can’t handle a lot of things in life.
There is a saying “what doesn’t kill you will only make you stronger”
I don’t expect my kids to have a 100% fairy tale childhood and I won’t shelter them from the world or it’s conflicts, because this is what life is like. So you better learn how to deal with it early on
Here’s a few things I learned about parenting
1. If you shelter kids too much, they turn into wimps who don’t know how to handle life’s obstacles
2. If you want kids to understand responsibility at an early age, you must make them do chores , assist you in your work , understand the value of the dollar , understand the value of good grades. If you think good parenting is just letting your kids watch cartoons while you and your wife do all the cooking cleaning laundry grocery shopping , this is how irresponsible kids are made. There are folks who are in their early 20s who still don’t know how to cook and have their parents still making dinner for them,
3. If you want your kids to get a good job after college , make them pay for a big part of their own tuition. This gives them more motivation to get good grades.
Kids raised by single moms are often more successful than kids raised by two parents simply because they had to help mom around the house at an early Age. They understand the important of getting things done well and on time. Kids of single moms may do better in school because they are simply more responsible
@Shamalien
I’m 26. And trust me, there are parents who pay for their 28 yr old kids driving classes. These 28 yr old kids don’t tend to learn as well as folks who worked hard to pay for their own driving lessons themselves.
Good quality Parenting is the key to a child’s success, not the number of parents
Actually. Men date younger women because they’re easier to manipulate and women their own age don’t fall for their BS
@Angie221994
Not really, men date younger women cuz they simply look better. In the vast majority of relationships, men don't go for older women. The woman is usually at least as old as the man or younger than the man. 1-10 years age difference being the most common
@shaysh87 Them looking better is a factor. But manipulation is also a factor if they’re the type that does that. So. No. It’s not a “not really”. Lol. Some do want “trophy wives” or “trophy girlfriends”
But we’re talking about different things. I’m talking about 40+ year old men dating 18 year old women. That’s way more than 10 years. Lol. And I’m talking about a certain demographic of men who can’t get women close to their age or even within a 10 age difference that they’ll date someone young enough that they can control.
@Angie221994
its quite uncommon to see a 40 yr old dating an 18 yr old. Most 40 yr old men have no interest in dating 18 yr old girls unless he's a pervert. And usually when such relationships do occur, they're usually not made of love but just infatuation and sex and tend to be short lived.
but what im saying is, men always go for younger women regardless if its 20 or 2 years younger. It doesn't make a difference.
@shaysh87 um no. Lol you contradicted yourself. You literally said it’s uncommon for that type of age difference but then said “men always go for younger women regardless if it’s 20 years younger”
You don’t know what you’re talking about lol.
NORMAL men don’t go for women with THAT much of an age difference. The men I’m referring to that specifically go for women who are 18-21 when they themselves are over 40 are usually manipulative and/or looking for “trophies”. There’s actual studies on this lol
@Angie221994
I’m saying men always go for younger women. A woman 2 years older is STILL a younger woman. A woman 20 years younger is still a younger woman. So my statement is still true, sure it’s not extremely common to see a 20 yr age gap, but 20 years younger still classifies as “younger”.
I’m 26 and all throughout my entire life it’s been guys who are my age or older who have been ever interested in me. Younger guys are never interested
@shaysh87 You can’t use anecdotal evidence. That’s not accurate. The whole “all my life this was my experience” doesn’t make it true for everyone. Men DONT always go for younger women. Regardless if it’s 2 years younger. There’s a WHOLE kink for men who love older women or did you forget that? 🤦🏻♀️ Talk about being ignorant lol
@shaysh87 Your statement isn’t true. It’s false since it uses generalizations and anecdotal evidence (which isn’t real evidence)
I think it’s probably because younger women = more fertile. Goes back to the caveman days. Men are wired to procreate as much as possible. Society has diminished that urge, somewhat.
@PopMart1997
There are 60 yr old men who date 45 yr old women. A 45 yr old is far from fertile
@Angie221994
just look at marriage statistics then. The man is always a few years older than the woman. If you won't look it up, i can also pull it up for you.
To the fellas here, please, let's calm down. Maybe this gal is going to adopt? If thats the case, then honestly, fine by me, as yes, raising kids as a single mom is hard, but Im sure any orphan would prefer it to an orphanage. If not, then yah selifish for sure and with adoption it's the "less bad" choice, but surrogate or something? Plainly stupid and selfish.
Also... would you at least consider a lesbian relationship? That way there's more help?
@errorgoodnameunfound
I'm not looking to adopt. Becausec I know I would love my biological children more. And I'm not gonna have my own kids and also adopt because I don't want my adopted kids to see favortism. I know what its like growing up as the child who is less favorited. And trust me, the younger the child, the deeper the scars are.
According to a study, lesbian couples are capable of raising kids just as well as moms and dads. So I don't know where all this stigma about lacking a father means that a child is doomed.
whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/.../
According to a Cornell University Research article:
Overview: We identified 79 scholarly studies that met our criteria for adding to knowledge about the well-being of children with gay or lesbian parents. Of those studies, 75 concluded that children of gay or lesbian parents fare no worse than other children.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
Children of same-sex couples perform better in school than kids raised by a mom and a dad, according to new research from several European economists.
@errorgoodnameunfound
news.stanford.edu/.../gay-study-083010.html
By mining data from the 2000 Census, sociologist Michael Rosenfeld figured out the rates at which kids raised by gay and straight couples repeated a grade during elementary or middle school. He found that children of same-sex parents have essentially the same educational achievement as their peers growing up in heterosexual households.
@errorgoodnameunfound
there's nothing selfish about having kids as a single mom. If my kids are smiling all the time , love their mother to death, grow up to hold good jobs, become good productive citizens with good moral character, then there is absolutely no reason that these kids shouldn't be born.
@errorgoodnameunfound
In summary, we hypothesize that selection effects arising from increased parental investment are the primary driver of the association between living with same-sex parents and children’s outcomes. Children with same-sex parents are more likely to have high socioeconomic status and receive substantial parental investment from highly committed parents. Therefore, we predict that children with same-sex parents are likely to perform at least as well as (if not better than) children with different-sex parents.
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journals.sagepub.com/.../0003122420957249
A study comparing the well-being of children growing up in single-mother-by-choice and heterosexual two-parent families has found no differences in terms of parent-child relationship or child development. However, the study did find that the single-mothers-by-choice did have a greater social support network.
www.sciencedaily.com/.../170705095332.htm
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For decades, researchers have said children from two-parent families do better than those raised by a single parent. That's still true, they say. But newer research pokes holes into that all-or-nothing approach, says fatherhood expert Michael Lamb, a psychology professor at the University of Cambridge in England.
"The key point is yes, there is a risk," he says. "But it's not really a risk inherent in the single-parent family, per se. You can't assume that every child raised by a single parent is going to have difficulties. The majority don't."
Lamb says that decades ago, researchers were concerned about risks to children, and "their concerns were driven by a lot of cultural assumptions, which led them to propose kids are better off in the traditional family."
abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=5687285
Um, yes you are indeed super selfish. Even BEYOND super discriminatory. Why CAN'T you love adopted children like biological ones? What in the fuckity fuck is the difference? It's HALF your biology anyways, possibly less anyways remember? Yah, sorry, given you don't want a dad for your future kid ONLY because of bad experience with your dad, you refuse to adopt AND you are "so sure" in your ability to succeed as a single mom despite stats saying otherwise, I do NOT have confidence in your parenting.
I'd change my opinion if
A) You adopt instead
B) You strongly consider at least having a lesbian partner to help and be VERY sure of a good male figure around whether uncle or granddad.
C) Lose the ego! FFS, why are you so sure you'll be a good mother? Many that REALLY want to and are so sure of ability to do so have INTENSE regrets later.
I had issues with my mom, my step mom AND my sisters. Do you see me saying any kids I have don't need a future mom? And even if I were to have kids while in a gay relationship, I'd adopt, as it can actually be a huge advantage. For example, choosing the gender and age, which I think is fair, especially if I were to go with two kids, with an older girl and younger boy, in order to try and attempt the best functioning for THEIR sake. No matter whom I adopt in the end, it's far more humane than using surrogate and my or my partner's sperm. In addition, it encourages adoption if successful, bringing down the number of orphans and therefore, possible future welfare recipients, THEREFORE, helping to keep future taxes lower for all. See? Thinking ahead, thinking for myself AND everyone else. Not hard.
On the contrary, whether I end up with up in a gay or hetero relationship, children are ONLY going to be a consideration under VERY rigorous considerations. That's why anyone I'd consider raising children with if at any point I'd even consider children I am picky af about and if they don't exist, so be it, no kids from me. Those considerations would be specific things I would need the kids to undergo. That means checking EXTRAORDINARILY HARD to make sure the children could have every bit of chance to succeed as well as fall backs should it not go as planned.
I've even planned out in my head considerations of what they would receive in terms of electronics and internet, with a plan to only give them cheap, used phones when coming of age as well as restrictive internet when capable of using it. (not stupid restrictive per say, but obstacles planted on purpose) I would encourage however, for them to experiment ways to get around the difficulties of it and reward them for doing so, that way they can learn like I did in high school to make the best with what Im given and do my research when needed. It also would make them MUCH more appreciative in what they have, as it did for me, rather than like many kids demanding a new phone every year. In addition, they would learn a vast amount of business and economics the minute they are capable of doing so. Kids are like sponges at young age, so if I tell them this or that brands, like Apple and Disney are cult like and give reasons why with a stark asterisk that is up to them at the end of the day whether to accept my opinion or not, with the advantage of that lesson being on business, realism, AND morals They would be learning this around age 10, maybe sooner.
I've already also considered their allowance, which would be based on chores and possibly even their ability to entertain me and their mom. Instead of them saying funny things and just laughing nervously like most parents, they'd actually be encouraged to do so in order to teach them value in comedy as stress and tension relief.
Got plenty more plans. And even with ALL of this and more, I STILL will likely not have kids because doing so I see as requiring significant financial means in order to have even a chance of doing so humanely, which I may or may not have in due time. In addition to the fact that the world is deteriorating, so having kids today without being rich can actually be a form of extreme greed and sadism. Many do it thinking they'd just have chore doing clones that would just do as they say, which ofc, is a naiive, dumb, fantasy that breaks parents who weren't meant to be parents into a harsh reality they are now stuck in on their own fault.
So tell me, what exactly is YOUR plan? You look into local schools? Perhaps what media they'd consume? What about morals you want to teach them? The ability to provide for them? The ability to make sure they are OK in a deteriorating world?
Have you given ANY thought to any of the above?
Or, as I somewhat assume, you just want all those cute baby pics and such to get attention on facebook and all the lovey dovey fantasy stuff about being a mother, forgetting that those cute little babies cry, scream, poop, pee, vomit whenever they want and YOU are responsible for it, especially if you are a lonesome single mom. You may have good times, but you WILL have bad times, and if you don't have the heart, mind, and spine for it, then forget it!
ALSO I can ADD that instead of just telling people "surely Ill be a good parent because I say so" all arrogant and shit, I've actually been TOLD I'm good dad material, I have BABYSAT young kids, including GIRLS on several occasions, blood related and not. Add that to being adored by my exs parents almost as much as my ex herself, as well as a very very laid out strategy far in advance, and yah, I actually have REASON that I MAY make a good parent.
Also, you going over four points about parenting gives me some hope, as you'd end up doing a lot of my own strategy which is great, but I'd still like to see a much more fully loaded plan.
@errorgoodnameunfound
HUMANS ARE SELFISH. Why do you think overwhelming majority of the world's parents have their own kids rather than adopted kids? Why do you think most people on the street won't give money to homeless people? If you had to pick between whether or not you OR I should die in a house fire, who would you pick? You would pick me to die in the house fire over yourself.
Humans are all selfish to a certain extent. Its time you accept it instead of whine about it. And its about time for you to admit that You are selfish too.
@errorgoodnameunfound
studies have proven that single moms can really raise kids just as well as mom and dads. Studies have also proven that even lesbian / gay couples can raise kids that do better in school than hetero couples. If a lesbian couple's child can do better in school as a child from heterosexual couples, it shows dads are NOT necessary.
@errorgoodnameunfound
[Also, you going over four points about parenting gives me some hope, as you'd end up doing a lot of my own strategy which is great, but I'd still like to see a much more fully loaded plan.]
I am not gonna devote 4 days to type up a 40 page essay on ALL my parenting points. You mean nothing to me. You're not worth that much work.
Studies have shown that people don't wipe their asses enough. I don't care if rare exceptions can do something. In general moms and dads both need to be there. Fathers are important
@Asker,
Studies prove you wrong.
@Asker
Lesbian couples raise kids that do better in school than kids raised by heterosexual couples. So how do you explain that?
I can point a study showing that men in prisons were raised by single mothers. Wanna do a stat war?
@Asker
so if dads are so necessary, why do lesbian couples raise kids that are more successful at school.
why don't you answer this before we change the topic?
@Asker
the stereotype that single moms tend to raise criminals comes from the fact that the overwhelming majority of single moms are black welfare mothers under poverty who live in the ghettos. But if you're not black and if you do not live in the ghettos, this won't be the case.
If you're a single mom in a rich or well to do neighborhood, the chances of your kid becoming a criminal, is very very slim. why would a kid with parents who have money need to rob, steal? Chances are this kid will be put into the top elite schools surrounded by the smartest kids in the city.
@Asker
did you know President Barack Obama and Bill Clinton grew up without fathers?
Historically Accomplished, famous figures such as Aristotle, John Hancock, Gerald Ford, Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglas, Stephen King
also grew up without dads.
Because again rare exceptions dont DISPROVE the general rule. Most of the other presidents had their dads around. Why does it feel like you're being an sjw that wants to change traditional roles? What's your motive behind this? Where was this study done? Show me the source for the lesbo parenting being better. It's not a myth. I can bet your ass that most women on onlyfans accounts don't have their dads around
@Asker
There is NO GENERAL RULE for single moms. Because
THE GENERAL RULE IS THAT OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SINGLE BLACK MOTHERS ARE IN GHETTO BLACK POOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE CRIME IS HIGH. In the ghettos, almost every kid is a criminal regardless of if they have both a father or mother. Plenty of kids born to both mom and dads who are criminals.
WHERE IS THE GENERAL NORM FOR SINGLE MOTHERS THAT ARE NOT BLACK, DO NOT LIVE IN THE GHETTOS, HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, HIGHLY EDUCATED?
You're comparing the norm for oranges versus the norm for apples.
You're comparing two completely different single mothers.
@Asker
I will say it to you again.
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SINGLE MOTHERS ARE NOT IN WHITE, Asian COMMUNITIES. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SINGLE MOTHERS ARE POOR BLACK WELFARE MOTHERS IN THE GHETTOS WHERE ALMOST EVERYONE IS A CRIMINAL.
This is why statistics say that many kids born to single moms tend to be criminal. BECAUSE MOST OF THESE STATS ARE ONLY REPRESENT THE GHETTOS.
@Asker,
do you see kids of lesbian parents turning into criminals? NO. They do better in school than kids born to both mom and dads. DADS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CRIME.
There is a general rule to everything. And Hispanic teens without dads are more likely to end up pregnant at a young age. The number of Hispanic teens that get pregnant is very high and guess what? Majority of them are fatherless. so no it's not just the ghetto. Why are you so upset over this though? Do you want fathers to be absent from the kid's life to prove that women can be like men? And again show the sources to those studies saying lesbos are more successful parents b
Because this is starting to sound like some an Sjw rhetoric
@asker
Because the ghettos are filled with black and Hispanic people? Their culture is filled with baby mamas without daddies. Almost everyone is a criminal there. Kids get shot at 16. Nobody has fathers there. Whites , Asians don’t nearly have as many baby’s mamas without daddies.
This is also where the statistic that single moms are broke comes from. Single moms have a reputation for being broke because single motherhood is generally in the ghettos.
But you also need to realize that there are many educated women who are financially well off that chose to be single moms. There are single moms who can afford to send their kids to top elite schools. There are single moms who live in upscale rich neighborhoods. Now you’re saying the kids of these single moms are at high risk of being criminals? Why would these rich kids who are extremely educated and go to elite schools need to rob or steal?
People say that kids of single mothers tend to do poorly in school. This is because ghetto people do not care about school. They don’t study
How are you gonna say my kid would be underperforming in school cuz he’s raised by a single mom? My kid has tutors. He can get tutored by his educated mother
Your “general rule “ only applies to ghetto mothers in poor neighborhoods. Not the rule for single moms in educated upscale rich neighborhoods
@asker
That “general rule “ you came up with is only because white or Asian single moms aren’t very common. If those statistics weren’t mostly black or Hispanic ghetto single moms but were financially well off educated white and Asian single moms, there would be a big difference in what the “general rule “ would be.
But out of a 1000 participants in the study , 900 are ghetto and poor, 100 are financially well off. What do you think the general rule would be?
[There is a general rule to everything. And Hispanic teens without dads are more likely to end up pregnant at a young age]
It is part of Hispanic especially carribean Latino CULTURE for young teenagers to get pregnant at a young age. Hispanic men tend to be perverts horn dogs and very irresponsible fathers. These men have a reputation for being cheaters , players. While the women have a reputation for being single moms. It’s part of THEIR CULTURE to do this. It’s something that is commonly done In Puerto Rico , Dominican Republic. Girls in those countries tend to get pregnant in their teens and end up with 5-10 kids by the age of 28. It’s very common and accepted there, These are the same people who live in the ghettos. Blacks do the same thing. Both blacks and Hispanics have a lot in common
You may ask how do I know this? I lived 20 years in the ghettos. I know their culture very well
On the other hand , I am not Latino or black. It is simply not a part of my culture for girls to get pregnant at 16.
I do think it’s ideal for kids to have a father. But it’s not like just cus kids don’t have a dad , then they are doomed. I believe in quality or parenting over the number of parents
And just because you want a father for your kids , it really does not mean you can just find one. Just like if a man wants to get married , he can’t just get a wife. Life is not a fairytale. A lot of it is hard and is based on luck. Oftentimes marriages don’t even work out. Ans just because you have a dad, it really doesn’t mean the kid will have a good childhood
I wished I never had a dad. My childhood was that bad with my father
@asker
You can’t just say that my daughter will get pregnant at 16 just cus many Hispanic girl from the ghettos get pregnant at 16.
Firstly my daughter is not Hispanic. She doesn’t come from that whorish culture.
Secondly, I teach my kids proper values that ghetto Spanish people don’t teach. She comes from a classy educated family sent to study at elite schools with the smartest kids in the city, the kids who get pregnant at 18 tend to be the ones who don’t do their homework , fool around after school rather than study, get bad grades and so drugs
Irresponsible , bad kids are created by bad parenting and bad culture. They are not the result of just a “single mom”.
There are plenty of kids born to mom and dad that are irresponsible. Ans it’s all due to bad parenting
funny how we all have subjective views of whats "average".
You are average looking? Try wearing a beret on your wang.
What?
Not a full-size one obviously. A mini beret.
y.yarn.co/3574dd63-901e-4fbe-9e23-05b71429f354.mp4
Show butt
You’re the 80%/20% guy spreading the same BS story. 🥱
It's not bullshit sweetheart. Women think it is but a lot of men of know it's real
Yet you’re single.
I'm in that bottom 80%. Thank you for pointing out the obvious
Might want to change your views then.
FR and it doesn't even make sense because the 80-20 rule is that 80% of outcomes result from 20% of inputs. I still don't understand how that makes sense in this context lmao
@Cassie5403 just because women date a small percentage or pursue a small the high value men doesn't mean women are evil or bad. I think that's why wonen get so defensive over the 80/20 rule. They think that somehow they're being called bad people. You're not. Women are just attracted to s small amount of men and that's fine
Nobody is defensive. You are simply wrong. Sticking to a bad formula will get you nowhere.
You think i am but millions of other dudes will tell you otherwise. 80/20 is real & it's just a hard pill to swallow
Stop listening to miserable single men. Start asking why happily married men are happy. Go directly to the best source.
Men and women are not the same. The dating world is a different ball game for both genders. Im looking at the dating through a man's Lens, you're looking at it through a women's lens
I'm not single, since I started dating I haven't been single for more than 4 months.
The 80/20 is true.
You will always be alone as you would rather stubbornly be incorrectly “right” than learn and improve yourself.
Im not improving anything. I just accept the actual truth of things
No you are whining.
Whining is subjective. What's whining to you is actually venting, explaining etc. You just think it's whining because you don't agree with it
Still whining. Answer for everything yet no improvement. Yes. Alone you still are. This is why.
Whining blah blah blah. Who i am improving for?
You keep posting this 20/80 bs and asking why woman don’t like you. It’s been suggested why by countless people in each of these questions. Yet you keep asking. And now asking who you are improving for. You are a bit like a black hole.
I never once in these questions asked why women dont like me. I talked about the 80/20 rule & male virginity on the rise. These things are backed up by data. Yet women will still deny it and gaslight men and tell them that they're misogynist, incels, whiners etc
And you didn't answer the question. Who am i improving for really?
Yes you have. And in this one it’s implied… “ but being an average looking guy isn't enough for women.” = whining too.
Are you happy single?
I think i know who this now. All i needed to read was the whining part and how it's written over and over again by you. But get your head out of your ass. I never asked why don't women like me. You're just saying that.
If you could meet someone it would be great. Because then we wouldn't have to see incorrect info about 80/20 being spread around here.
You did say that. And you will again.
It's not incorrect though. Of course women are going to think it's incorrect. Shocker lol. 80/20 rule doesn't mean you're bad or wicked for only being atteacted to a small amout of guys. That's why women are offended by the 80/20. The truth doesn't mean you're a bad human beings
Yet you are single.
You are incorrect. Ask any happily married man.. oh wait you won’t do that it’s outside of your comfort zone and might further prove how right I am. Scary stuff.
Married men are in the minority now. Most men don't want to get married. There's too many cons to marriage for men. Dating is better. I don't have to be a good singer to know when someone's singing sounds like shit
You like being single. I get that now. Hey. Be happy.
It's not about him liking to be single, there's no fucking way for him not to be.
Well, at least no fucking way for him not to be without dislodging another dude.
@anylolone Sure there is. He’s a smart guy, he just has a childish attitude which is working against him. I was trying to help, I have no idea why I wasted the energy.
I don't have an attitude. You just think i do because again you don't like what im saying
This thread clearly displays you have an attitude. You are more worried about me then improving yourself. Good luck to ya.
Again my attitude is subjective statement. We see the world differently and no one is right or wrong in this situation. Both just have different life exieeienbces. I have my beliefs, you have yours
Exactly.
Experiences*
Sayonara. Until the next time you inevitably post 20/80..
Ill take off the no Anon feature next time even though i already know who you are
Is that a threat or a promise?
Dont exaggerate it. Im just disabling the anon feature next time
Come on, be honest, you ain't trying to help.
And actually, having a really childish petulant attitude might "help him" in this case.
I've had quite some self-esteem crisis by knowing my "eskimo brothers".
It's not a fun experience knowing their tastes include guys with mile's long rep sheet.
@anylolone Be honest. I was helping. Giving back an attitude after hours of back and forth was gonna happen.
I mean you can be ugly and still find another ugly person ugly.
What? 😕
Lol like you can know your average and find others on your level unattractive. You may not even find yourself attractive.
That is correct it’s also why there are so many unhappy people. They forgot to stay in their lane.
The fact is the opposite. Men think they're good enough for much better looking women due to more confidence. Women usually don't think they're attractive enough for the ones they deserve.
Yet women find 80% of men unattractive. Men are perfectly fine with average looking women.
Complete and utter bullsh*t. No 5/10 woman is entitled to a 10/10 man because "vagina."
Lmao! Love how you basically said that women deserve the best and only the best looking men, and the "average" men deserve only the unattractive women, maybe not even that.
dating is getting harder and harder for men. I advise "Wheat Waffles" and "FaceandLMS" on youtube for you
I’ll date an average guy as long as he’s compliant and loyal af.
You mean you'll master an average guy.
Lol! "Compliant and loyal af"
@anylolone hahaha yeah
Whatever you want to call it.
Well, you described it.
Feels like you are buying a janissary.
lol!
Cause looks are subjective
That explains why women find 80% of men unattractive 🙃
If that's the case then all men would be single. Obviously someone finds them attractive, otherwise they wouldn't get married
Average looking women don't want them. Women only want to date up. The top 20% of men get all the women. The 80% including myself are invisible
Incel/MGTOW logic. If your statistics were correct, then the majority of guys would be single and only model looking guys would be in relationships. I see lots of average guys in relationships with women, so clearly that says something. I suggest you turn off your computer for a while and get out in the real world and stay off the "red" and "black" pill community, because they're toxic
a lot of men are single. There are more single men that single women. The women are only chasing and sharing the high value men in the 20% category. Male virginity is also on the rise. Women have high standards which is fine. They can have those standards. But a lot of men are going to be single for a while
And also Hypergamy is real thing
If you could date a hottie, why wouldn't you?
Wouldn't know because I'm not average looking.
Make up gives them that confidence
You don’t even like woman according to your latest question.
Lmao a question is usually a thought or a wonder not a conclusion on what you fasly stated. You wouldn't wanna know who i don't like 😋
there is no average look. everyone is beautiful
An obese guy with his stomach fall out of his shorts is beautiful too right? 😂
Don't you mean belly because the stomach is an organ inside of the body.
@MysteriousDarkness Sure
So that is your excuse?
It is their choice to do so.
Didn't say they could white knight
Couldn't
Where do you get this?
All women aren't same
No but majority play by the same rules
They’re delusional
No they do
Lol good joke
Okay
Agreed
Define "average".
A man that's not a model or hot but isn't Jason vorhees either
pride and propaganda
it's a fantasy..
Hahah okay 👌