Why do average looking women find average looking men unattractive?

[Anonymous]

They only want to date up which they're entitled to but being an average looking guy isn't enough for women. You have to be more than that

[AncientWisdom]

I love how all the females jumped on here to berate , and insult you. It’s easy to find the feminazis where ever you go.
Females do not like to be called out with the truth. They dislike facts that portray them in a bad light or give away their secrets.
Females are taught that they are a princess , and they deserve the very best. Why? Because they were born. They are also taught that men are stupid , that all we want is what they got between their legs. They play massive games with most men the only ones that don’t get that treatment are the pretty boys that makes them get moist on sight. Every one else is a creep. The thing is a lot of femakes are bitter and frustrated because love didn’t work out for them either. They have unrealistic notions programmed into them from a young age. They will tell you it’s mens fault they behave the way they do. Females never take responsibility they don’t have to society does not hold them accountable for anything
Sex is a weapon in the female arsenal.
The good thing is sex is available without all that horseshit. Get you a box of rubbers and take a trip to Vegas every so often. They have every flavor legally for sale there.
So here’s my advice to you. I wouldn’t worry about a girlfriend. Go and work on your life get it going set goals and start moving toward them with purpose. When you are young females are a distraction. Most of them are not going to help you reach your goals. They are going to use you to help them reach their goals. You do not want children before you have reached your goals , as you need to be solvent to raise a family. So they’ve done you a favor. Go be the best you can be for yourself.
Work on your self esteem , and educate yourself about the female human. When you know how they think it’s way better. Never argue with a female. Don’t argue with any one for that matter. State your peace and walk on. Arguing is a waste of time. If some one wants to argue leave them standing alone. They hate this , it’s better then any word you can utter.
So once you have gotten your self squared away , you will attract what is known as a woman. A women is a beautiful creature , who is wise , usually thinks before she speaks. Embraces her feminine, and is powerful in it. She knows the masculine and feminine evolved to balance each other. She will not have a problem letting you be a man. She will stand beside you and help you attain your goals as she knows this is good for her too. She will not weaponize sex as many females do. True women are becoming as rare as true men. Either that or they hiding and watching with disbelief at the stupidity of modern western society. So be careful the wrong female can be a trap. They use sexual bait to entice you in make a few babies then they bounce to the next one after they steal your life. This is enabled by a biased court system. So be careful man women are dangerous way more dangerous then men. Men come at you straight up. Females have a whole bag of tricks to make a man pay in this modern age. They mainly use the courts. Beware. This is changing though as good men , and women are starting to take notice. The end of the rabid feminists is on its way. Anyway good luck it’s dangerous out there.

[Asker]

Yeah the thing though is that im not calling them bad or evil for who they pursue. Im just like you said pointing a truth but it's somehow offensive to them because they think im calling them bad or wicked.

[msc545]

Well said. I would agree that they use the courts, and add - They use the courts of law, and the courts of social opinion as well to ruin men. Both can be deadly.

[AncientWisdom]

No it’s not evil. It’s evolution. Hating a female for being hypergamous is like gating a dog for barking. Men need to concentrate on them selves become a person if substance and the will attract a woman of substance. If a person can’t get that idea in their mind. Then they are responsible for the results. If it’s any consolation women are just as confused and unhappy. It’s a matter of education. Society has created many constructs that are contrary to human evolution, and the will never work for that reason

[AncientWisdom]

Sorry bout the typo I’m at the gym typing between sets

[AncientWisdom]

Thanks for the MHO

[lucas262]

Now this sounds like a true red pill take. So much shit tossed at the RP community these days. It's about people being the nest selves and avoiding the dramatic heartaching b. s

Good fucking take

[rockytherock]

It's painful how much you're wrong on this. I don't even know where to get started it's all just so hilariously inaccurrate but i'll see what I can write for those genuinely curious. As a tomboy, I can safely tell you a lot of us girls really don't think like this nor feel any obligation to be seductive and chaste and snakey. Women as a whole don't have any specifc common way of thinking, in fact it's a common myth that women and men think so differently, they don't. It's called neurosexism, search it up. You dont get to tell us what a true woman is. We will embrace whatever traits we want, feminine, masculine or whatever tf kinda traits there are and still be a woman, a true woman doesn't exist. Don't label a woman as true just because she entices you and you only. There will be men who think your woman isn't their ideal woman, proving there's really no true woman when it comes to the eyes of men as a whole, thats why there's a 'type' everyone usually has. You're over generallizing this way too much. Also, we didn't experience any obligation to comment nicely because the post is a dumb generalization. Woman don't view men as 'average' and then just drop them unless you don't go outside or talk to a woman. Men have different kinds of beauty, such as soft, feminine, masculine, rough, etc and then there's levels of that of course, but we don't just see a man as attractive then start sniffing their asses. This isn't evolution, this is pretty much incel theory which shouldn't even be considered a theory because of how wrong it is. Of course, we aren't all good and there may actually be some girls who are manipulative but that goes for any gender. Hope this helps.

[AncientWisdom]

@rockytherock nope wrong neurosexism is a word invented by a feminist about a decade ago. Imagine that a feminist inventing bullshit. there's a difference between the way they think. Don't be triggered go get you some facts , and quit parroting the crap you've heard from biased people. Modern feminism has basically declared war on men , and masculinity. Its a war they will lose eventually , as people will get tired of them. that's happening now.
I don't know nothing about these incels except they seem to really hate women. which is just as ridiculous as modern feminists. To wrongs don't make a right. From what I've seen they are mad because they go after women out of their league , and get mad at the rejection. I don't know really can't relate. Also how can that be a thing its a choice not a thing females are doing to them. I mean I'm a biker I got some really ugly bros who do just fine even uglier then me. So I don't get that mess.
Be masculine if you want too. A tom boy is cool I always liked those no harm no foul , a rabid ass feminist is something else kid. Also men don't care for masculine females. We have to compete with men , don't want to compete with our woman she needs to be our safe place and confidant someone who is loyal and can be trusted.
1 mil divorces a yr , over 800k initiated by women who mostly got bored. or he farted to much Blew her outta bed a couple times whatever it was. 98% are gonna win take all his stuff his kids , and 50 to 75 % of his future wages. This has caused an increase in male suicide. 78% of all suicides male , 80% of those committed because of separation or divorce with no outlet , and no fair play so they eat a bullet , or end up in prison for murder. Its a problem kid. My brother blew his brains out. He came home to a cheating wife , and a divorce she took his child , and he couldn't do a thing. he couldn't process he's dead now. I take it personally.

[rockytherock]

I see, but I'm pretty sure the male suicide rates are also high because of toxic masculinity. Feminism operates on science, this isn't bs and if you can't accept that I dont know what to tell you. Neurosexism isn't even born from feminism, it was born from literal scientific studies because male scientists allowed their biases and lack of logic to disrupt their research, in turn creating an unnecessary divide between the genders. I'm sure you're talking about the bad feminists which of course will exist, there's bad people of all sorts but you can ignore them, they aren't representive of what we believe in. Just educate yourself.

[KlinkyCoder]

Avoiding all interactions with women never mind dating or romantic interaction also goes against natural human evolution. I know that men are bitter and upset, but the attitude of avoiding literally the whole opposite gender is like wanting to avoid eating entirely because some foods are bad for you.

[AncientWisdom]

Men aren’t the only one whose bitter. I don’t say don’t have interaction. I say don’t marry her ass. Marriage is a business contract. Until the law holds them accountable like they do men , and I mean exactly like they do men. It’s not a good idea. By all means though go for it. I never married , and the women in my life love me , but they know where I stand on social constructs designed to benefit the government at the expense of men. It’s biased for a reason. The government knows the odds are she will leave and they’ll get their cut. It’s literally a 50 billion dollar a year revenue stream for this crooked ass government we got in the good ole USA.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@rockytherock
The one thing people don't bring up often enough is actually VERY important in this. That is body parts. Biology. Women go through INTENSE pain and such on average every month, since the beginning of existence. Guys never did, probably never will. However much progress we made to try and take care of the issue, it's NEVER been enough. Women still have this painful, time wasting problem men do not have and honestly a HUGE solver of gender issues would be more research on this and to make it so GLOBALLY, it doesn't have such a bad effect on women as much.

That being said, mainly because of this sort of biology, from the very beginning, men were often the ones who went out hunted, traded, etc. Ya know, took risks. Women though mainly were ones to raise kids, cook, etc, the less risky stuff. It makes sense, as women have always had an increased chance of vulnerability due to biology, so men took up the risks, in exchange that women did what they could on their part in return.

Now, in modern day, the biological effects are less, but it STILL affects females. Sometimes through history, as years of females being less likely to develop muscles and mind vs guys, have a deep effect on what we are taught growing up, even in modern age. The thing is, on average, globally, men are more likely to have POTENTIAL to develop a higher IQ and/or muscles than females. Period. Key word POTENTIAL, which is NOT absolute!!! This means yes, stronger or smarter girls exist, but the PROBABILITY on a GLOBAL scale is quite low. it's just often the ones heard/shown are the few that actually did succeed or can so feminism seems far more prevalent than it actually is.

ALL of that into consideration, it sadly makes sense why females are often naiive in choosing guys. I can't count how many times I've heard women complain that they have some of/either A) An abusive boyfriend B) Fucked somebody who ghosted immediately and/or C) A "man child" type boyfriend.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

And it is SO commonplace now! It saddens me. There are good guys out there, but I really do think girls need to take a LOT more initiative on picking a decent guy whether its just a fuck date or marriage. Because trust me when I say abusive guys will act OK, fuck, abuse/ghost then brag to his buddies about it who are encouraged to do the same and the bad cycle continues. Even if you break up with a terrible guy he will STILL brag like CRAZY about that one BJ or good fuck you gave him so that DOES influence other guys to act WORSE not better.

So, in general, what many guys here are saying, albeit a bit blunter is that we wish girls could be more patient in picking guys as honestly, decent guys often do NOT seek girls out very hard because they are more focused on bettering themselves first. I know guys who could be BEYOND bad in a relationship and they REALLY are desperate for a girl, even if it means ghosting dudes like me to impress them. o yah, spread the word, HAVE PATIENCE! The chance of an average guy successively getting a date, much less a ANY girl to even interact with them for more than 10 minutes is BEYOND less than the chance of any average girl getting any form of male attention. WHY don't girls take advantage more and really truly, get a good guy for them? Guys often have to go with whatever they got, bc they may NEVER even have a smudge of an oppurtunity to ever get it again.

So please, take this into consideration, spread the word to other gals, because seriously, WAY too many gals these days ignore ANYTHING from guys even if its advice for their own good.

[Cutiepiee]

🤡generalizing women and saying misogynistic things but complaining about men being generalized and treated like sh*t 🤡

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@Cutiepiee Don't look at me, I tried to keep generalizing and complaining to a minimum. If I'm overlooked, not my problem.

[rockytherock]

@errorgoodnameunfound Definitely, I don't doubt that evolution plays a part in it, but it doesn't affect me or apply to me, ig im special <3. But fr I'm all for working through that shit, fuck nurturing (unless its a love interest, pet or friend) and fuck weakness, just gotta tough through every condition I can and get stronger, and only let those I trust see my weakness.

[rockytherock]

@Cutiepiee Dude fr

[msc545]

Hypergamy - all women trade up.

[msc545]

If you are not 6' tall or more, rich, and as good-looking as a male model, even marginally attractive won't want you. Rich by itself can solve the entire problem, however.

[msc545]

OP, I bet you didn't contemplate that the women on here would deny the truth you wrote, but they are doing that because even they won't admit how truly shallow and gold-digging they really are.

[msc545]

Thank you for MHO!

[Asker]

They're not bad people though. I think that's why they get so defensive over this. They think im calling them evil for who they choose to date which isn't the case. Its just the truth. But you're welcome

[rockytherock]

My type is literally a boy my height or shorter. You as a man have no business telling us what we like, we are all different.

[msc545]

@rockytherock Since we are the objects of your desire (or not) it is absolutely our business.

[rockytherock]

No its not, its literally wrong and causes an unnecessary misunderstanding

[msc545]

@rockytherock Your self-serving beliefs mean nothing to me, little girl.

[rockytherock]

And there you have it, the reason why you think men have to be billionares to be attractive. Smfh

[Cathy7734]

@msc545
I agree with you. Jim Rohn says that if a person really wants something that person will go out and get it. If not, they will get excuses. I know women that want a wealthy man and they get it. His looks, height, etc., doesn't really matter.

[Asker]

@rockytherock Rae exceptions don't break the general rule

[Asker]

Rare*

[KlinkyCoder]

Yeah, it's like if I got defensive and said somebody was evil just for saying one word or breath, or merely being in their sight.

[Kaamraj]

This is because as a man your looks are only a small part in determining your sexual market value (SMV). Which is primarily determined by your socio-economic status in society. Sure looks can add to this matrix but not as nearly as much as in women's cases where it is basically the be all and end all.

Now sexual attraction follows the pareto principle where 90% of women find 90% of men unattractive or that 90% of women find the same 10% of men attractive. This is backed up with both swiping patterns on dating apps as well as anthropological data which shows that while nearly all of our female ancestors got to mate, only about 10-20% of the men had this luxury. It has always been this way and will remain so.

But on the flipside you have to consider that female attraction is determined much more heavily on youth (time), there are tens of thousands of girls who turn 18 everyday. So they only have a limited amount of time in which they can consolidate on their mating strategy. Also the female body has a biological clock, so if they dont make decisions by a certain age, then decisions are made for them.

[ohshee]

Because they understand it's not all about looks.. it's about who the person is within. What the person offers his straight his weaknesses is ability to provide. how he sees the world. How he treats people does he judge is he happy is he argumentative. his love of life is passion his desire his touch

because most men or women are not shallow people when they find something that they believe in they go after it.

Somebody that you might call average-looking I might think of it as very beautiful because I look on the inside because that's who they truly are.
And for me in many cases that's what makes a woman more beautiful

I know a lot of good-looking girls a lot of beautiful girls who have average-looking boyfriends but they are smart intelligent guys they provide and give the girl what she needs but she wants to be happy not in material things they get the person that they want. You can get the person that you want. I can get the person that I want. If we are the person they're looking for
And also who determines what's average your average might not be my average and vice versa

You have to put yourself in those positions you know that old saying you are who you hang with

If you sit at home and do nothing and one day someone knocks at your door and for some reason you hit it off then I guess you were at the right place at the right time.. or the wrong time but no matter what time it was you both found something you liked about each other or you would be together. Right. A d the same thing happens know matter where your at or maybe people just settle and it's not my business and what's the big deal if people are happy to happy that's what it's all about

[anylolone]

They don't really find them unattractive, it's just a question of projecting superiority and fake scarcity.

You see, women know that their reproduction should be guaranteed and nature will push them toward it regardless. So the competition is not whether a woman breeds, but with whom. And mind you, there's no such thing as a single hierarchy here, but several parallel ones including one decided in the womb and vagina which the best parallels they have to evaluate it is the size of the penis and overall health. (reason why human males have the biggest proportional dick and the most brutal sperm competition of our close relatives.)

That first part, the "should" is not an expectation, is something they are born with, an instinct to enforce it. They will doom their own boy's future to enforce it.
(after all, low reproduction rates for a tribe eventually spell doom for that lineage.)

Of course, the instinct is less about "breeding" and more about getting dick, but it's just easier to talk about the goal of the genes.
The instinct expresses itself as more of a notion of entitlement to dick and creampies, that other women are entitled to dicks and creampies, and that the normal is that they all pop babies once in a while, besides a notion that women and kids are entitled to provisioning from the rest of the tribe and that they can expect sympathy and empathy.
And that's true as long as the gender imbalance doesn't go all fucked up.

The moment men become a rare commodity, shit get's reversed, and it doesn't need to be by all that much. But that availability is measured by their existence in the population, not by how willing their are to fuck and provide.

[Anonymous]

It depends on your age and where you live. When i was like 14-15, i only fall in love with guys due to their looks which was primitive and stupid, of course lol. Everyone cares about looks to an extent and you need more time to falll in love with someone, the "uglier" the person is which is the true love in opinion. This is also the reason why couples stay with eachother despite being old and wrinkly since looks really gets unimportant after a long time. I know a woman who dislikes excessive male bodyhair but she has no problem with her husband's excessive bodyhair. She also does not understand it and can't explain it. She is disgusted of other men's bodyhair but she likes/accepts her husband's bodyhair. When you fall in love with someone, you start liking/accepting things like pimples that may be disgusting lol. I personally love even men's pimple when i fall in love with him.
The problem is people are impatient and wants to fall in love as soon as possible lol. Everyone can fall in love with a hot person but you should be rational instead of being emotional. I also can tell from my experience that i fell in love with a guy after spending much time with him and i have never ever thought i can love this guy due to his looks. This is why i think being friends with a girl is better than asking her out since she has to make an immediate decision but when you are her friend, she gets to know you and can start loving you after spending much time with you and after this you or she can asks you out.

[Asker]

I wish that was true. I really do

[Intothevoid666]

Women having more shallow tastes when they are younger and then less shallow interests when they get older because they realized they couldn’t get the shallow interested they originally want isn’t reassuring at all like u think it is. It makes women undateable in my opinion. I’m never seriously dating a girl that does that which is just about all of them.

[Opinion Owner]

If you are into minors aka girls, your problem. It is also shallow to want young women.

[Opinion Owner]

Only 15%- 20% of women are under 25 but majority of men want these minority of women but reject the 80% of women but also complain when they can't find a girl. Why should not a young girl shallow, if she can afford since majority of men want her?

[Opinion Owner]

And younger girls/ boys tend to follow their instincs. Hypergamy is part of the instincs and so is polygamy. None of you critizise young men for wanting to sleep around and you even justify it with hormons or whatever bs but as soon as young girls follow their instincs aka do what their hormons say, you freak out

[Opinion Owner]

It is a fact that you have more control over your instincs the older you get

[Intothevoid666]

Because that young girl will get old one day and waste her shallow interest when she is young? Why should a guy commit to a girl who does that? That’s why.

[Intothevoid666]

Men wouldn’t want to sleep around if women didn’t do this type of thing tho?

[Opinion Owner]

Or vica versa

[Opinion Owner]

How many men want to marry in their early 20s aka in their youth?

[Opinion Owner]

Majority of women ain't attracted to old men and the divorce rate is higher the bigger the age gap is

[Opinion Owner]

I dont know. I am middleeastern/Asian. I just dont understand why western men make their women wait 1000000 years to marry. I prefere to marry in my early 20s

[Opinion Owner]

My dad had to provide our and his parents in his early 20s but 20 years old people act like kids on gag

[Opinion Owner]

I have the feeling western guys on gag tend to waste their women youth instead of marrying them

[Opinion Owner]

"Because that young girl will get old one day and waste her shallow interest when she is young? "
-at this time she would married to a handsome or wealthy guy hahs. Lol..
"Why should a guy commit to a girl who does that? That’s why." The sane reason why a girl have to commit to a man who is with her due to her looks/ youth. This is the dating world. You have to be attracted to your partner

[Opinion Owner]

You have to be realistic of course. I dont know any girl who seriously wants a supermodel lol

[Opinion Owner]

And if you are white, you are already handsome for many Asians. My old British highschool friend was treated like a celebrity to due to his race haha

[Opinion Owner]

In china

[Opinion Owner]

I live in a western country and majority of young western people are pretty in my opinion. I have never ever seeen an ugly western person.

[Intothevoid666]

So women get to fuck guys based on shallow interest when they are young and men don’t and somehow that’s equal in your mind? I’m not compatible with the morals of someone who does that and oddly like all women do that and then try to defend it so I’m not going for it. I’d rather just have flings or something.

[Opinion Owner]

I did not say that. And men and women both care about looks to an extent. Do you f women who are not attractive for you? It is part of the sexuality

[Opinion Owner]

You have to be attracted to your partner.

[Intothevoid666]

It’s just not worth it like what’s in it for me? Women give away everything they have that is valuable to me and are surprised when I’m not interested anymore idgi. I’d rather just be friends at that point.

[Opinion Owner]

Wtf does Idgi mean? And again both men and women are shallow when it comes to dating preferences. Therefore women shave, wear make up/fancy clothes, do skin care and do diets for man's shallow preferences and men shave themself, go to gym etc for women' s shallow preferences

[Opinion Owner]

Majority of western men ain't wait till marriage and women who wait till marriage are seen as aliens. So what do you mean that women already give everything? Is that not good? They make it easy for you, you still use them? But guys like you also hate it when women play hard aka play games to know whether a guy will use her for sex or not

[Opinion Owner]

You dont make se

[Opinion Owner]

*sense. You dont know what you want

[Opinion Owner]

I will just agree to disagree

[Intothevoid666]

Ok yeah we’re both shallow so this is me being shallow and saying I don’t want serious commitment from women who are also shallow. Idgi=I don’t get it. How does men also being shallow make this ok? Women are the ones who are actually indulging in their shallow fantasy not men, so how is that equal? That’s like a millionaire telling a homeless man that he should be happy with what he has because if he would be a millionaire too if he could.

[Opinion Owner]

It is fair if you dont want a relationship from a shallow woman but it is not ok to use these women. As i said both men and women are shallow to an extent. It is part of the sexuality which you can't control. You probably would not want a woman who is unattractive due to your sexuality but she could be attractive for other men and vica versa

[Opinion Owner]

I personally dont care whether you prefere supermodels or not. You even can prefere a supermodel and it is your preference

[Intothevoid666]

Why shouldn’t a young girl be shallow for an attractive guy? Cuz she won’t be young forever and when she is older men in her dating pool won’t want to date her cuz she was being shallow about something that won’t last?

[Opinion Owner]

Attractive guys dont automatically mean bad lol. Why shouldn't a young girl choose nice attractive guy over a nice ugly guy? I am nit saying you should completely ignore personality and by attractive guys i dont mean supermodels. Just a little above average

[Intothevoid666]

What do u mean by “use these women”?

[Slartybartfast]

You have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. Men compete for the attention of women, the losers have no women the winners multiple women.

Women will share a "ten" before bedding a 5. It's just biology.

It's why men compete over EVERYTHING. Work, sports, war. It's always a compatition, the losers today are called incels etc. But they have always been around.
Think of it this way, in cultures where men have multiple wives, the majority of men die before adulthood. Cultures that have an abundance of men wind up with internal conflicts and division or go to war to decrease the surplus.

[Asker]

That makes sense

[Deserter]

Plenty of average guys date girls in their league or out of their league. It's just that feminism and men being simps are making it harder. The expectations of men are ridiculous, and what do most women bring to the table? Nothing.

What do men want? A decent looking girl that's nice to them, not a total bore, doesn't have kids. Most women only check one or two of those boxes, spoiler alert, it's looks and not having kids. We're reeeeeally not asking for much. Feminists and simps need to fuck off, they should be beaten for what they've done to western society

[Asker]

Damn dude my bad i would have given you Mho. But i agree

[SkyCastle90]

The Legion of Female Tyranny obviously. Their purpose is to make you, yes only you, feel as though thugs are kings of women, the more grills the better. Yes, yes you figured us out. Even though sagging started as a euphemism for soliciting gay sex in prison, us women love seeing those Mack Weldon mooning us from afar as the thugs struggle to walk, because they know once their ripped skinny jeans ever falls to their ankles we'll pounce upon him with uncontrolled female ecstasy. The fact that this thug even has Mack Weldons with his busy schedule of selling his trash ass mix tapes, getting arrested, and dodging child support just make us melt with lust. Hmmm let a thug have dookie dreads falling off the bone like little Wayne walk by, just being in their presence will cause spontaneous 3rd trimester pregnancy.

Uuuhhhhaaahhahgghhaa, I just orgasmed from the thought.

[Asker]

This made me laugh. In all seriousness though yeah women dont like average men. Nothing wrong with that though

[SkyCastle90]

Mission accomplished.

[rockytherock]

Agreed. God those sagging pants... when I see those sagging pants my female predator explodes from within and I spin in the air and turn into a werewolf and go rabid, foamin at the mouth n barkin n everything. Those sly men giving us a little hint of their seductive white breifs...

[Asker]

@rockytherock Lmao

[AncientWisdom]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Guccigabbana18]

I don’t think that’s true all the time- some of the time, yes. Some “average looking” women only want to date guys more attractive than themselves because they want to get “the best they can get” date wise. So if they can date someone better looking than themselves, they will. But again, some don’t. I’ve actually seen it more the other way around, with guys dating up in terms of looks and girls dating down. Especially if the girl is very attractive. Most of my friends who are stunning are dating guys who are less attractive than themselves.

[MrOracle]

Those guys might be less physically attractive than the girl, but they usually make up for it with wealth or status or charisma, so that the overall package is high value.

Or, the girl is pretty but she's an emotional wreck, and will thus accept a lower status guy because he will put up with her.

[Guccigabbana18]

@MrOracle nope not always, these guys don’t have money or anything. Or no more money than the attractive woman. My point still stands.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@MrOracle Bro fist bump and a giggitty gig. Seems like you're leaving a good mark on this site. I've seen guys mention you as somebody that said everything they wanted to and I've felt the same before countless times. You really do match your name dude. Be proud. Keep it up giggity goo. :)

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I don't argue that stunning girls may "date down" but consider the reasonings, and it only proves Mr Oracle correct. They "date down" in terms of LOOKS, not VALUE. They are seeking value by trying out different sort of guys. They are actually doing females a favor by doing this because it gives status to diversifying who girls date.

But also, you forgot to consider the looks scale. Average looking females are rated MUCH higher than average looking guys, meaning on average, looks are not an advantage guys usually have anyways so therefore, these stunning gals may in fact be dating average or ABOVE average looking guys. Depends.

[Guccigabbana18]

@errorgoodnameunfound I still disagree. I am a model and I don’t even date guys according to “value”. My best friend is also considered “hot” and her boyfriend is just above average and not rich/successful, they just get along well. I like whoever I click with and am at least sufficiently attracted to. Lots of people have been very surprised when I show them the pics of guys I’m dating. They expect me to date “hot” guys but that gets boring after awhile

[errorgoodnameunfound]

... that is value though. The things that make y'all "click"? That's value. It doesn't mean you are nessacerily dating a less than average looking guy. On the contrary, your friend is actually dating ABOVE average, not just average and for sure not below average. It may in fact be that the top 20% of guys aren't even that available so there's not much of a choice.

[Guccigabbana18]

@errorgoodnameunfound no it isn’t. Value in the traditional sense, or the sense we are talking about here, is about looks, money or social status. Yes I may value personality, but that is not what the op is claiming. He said that women don’t date down in looks unless the guy has money or is valuable in some other area. I highly disagree. MANY of my friends date down in general not just in looks. “Clicking” has nothing to do with value as defined in this question

[Asker]

Most of the time they do have something financially or status wise wonen like. I already know you're talking about personality blah blah blah. And i again like I've told other women, stop using the piss poor counter argument "I've seen so and so with someone". A dude can show you dats and research done explaining how average looking men are invisible and a lot of women would still deny it

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Agreed with anon. Lotta stats and such say a lot as well.

[Guccigabbana18]

Nope I’m also talking from personal experience. As an example, I used to work at Abercrombie but I wasn’t immediately drawn to the guys that worked there, even though they were “hot.” My boyfriend at the time was this guy from my school who maybe wasn’t that “hot” to others but was like my best friend. If you are sufficiently attracted to someone and you click, hotness or money pales in comparison.

[Asker]

80/20 rule exist because there's stats and data to back it up yet you continue to just use personel experiences alone. That's not enough or a strong counter argument. Male virginity is also on the rise. Men between the ages of 18-31 years old report no sexual activity. The dating world is hard for young men. But millions of dudes who aren't ugly will tell you that they are invisible to women even the average looking women

[Cathy7734]

Wouldn't your question be better asked if "Why do pretty women find average looking men unattractive?"

"While a sizable segment of the population is single, about a quarter of unmarried Americans (26% or about 23 million adults) say they are in committed romantic relationships."
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2006/02/13/romance-in-america/#:~:text=While%20a%20sizable%20segment%20of,are%20in%20committed%20romantic%20relationships.

There are a lot of relationships where average looking women are with average looking men.

An attractive woman knows she is pretty. She says to herself, "I am pretty so I deserve a man who is handsome."

[Asker]

Average women only want to date up though which they can. Fine. But why do they complain that men are shallow or have high expectations for them?

[Cathy7734]

Tony Robbins says that we all have "stories we tell ourselves" and these stories will always come true. They are self-fulfilled prophesies. If a woman tells herself, "All the men I'm attracted to are shallow" then all the men she finds attractive will be shallow. There are a lot of people who won't take responsibilities for themselves and will blame others.

For example, say Fred believes that everyone he meets talks his right ear off. So everyone he meets talks his right ear off. And he tells himself, "All people are self-absorbed and self-centered jerks." Fred doesn't look into himself to find out why this is. He just blames all people.

[Asker]

But wven the girls in a guy's caliber want higher. To a girl, average nen are not good enough

[Cathy7734]

There are a lot of women who tell themselves that average men are not good enough. That's the story they tell themselves. But not all women do this. Look at all the relationships out there. There are a lot of average looking women with average looking guys. If ALL women say average men are not good enough then all we would see is average looking women with handsome men. That's just not the case.

If a guy is telling himself that all average looking women are only interested in handsome men and that average looking men are not good enough, then that guy will only see that. He will watch women on tik tok complain about men. He will see women get mad when an average looking guy asks her out. In his view (the story he is telling himself) this is true. It's engraved in stone. It has to be this way. The story we tell ourselves is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Dinklex3]

Looks are subjective.
Of course people want to date those they're attracted to.
Physical attraction is important.
I don't want to look at my man and think "eh, he's alright"
"He's average". "Hm.. He's not terrible looking"
I want to get giddy, look at him and think how handsome he is on top of everything else.
I want the same in return.
There's no inbetween or "average" for me. Either I'm attracted to you or I'm not.
I think majority of my bffs boyfriends are super unattractive. But they think they're handsome af.

[Asker]

Looks are subjective yet 80% of men are unattractive to wonen. Only 20% of men are attractive physically

[Dinklex3]

How does saying women are only attracted to 20% of men they interact with counteract the fact that looks are subjective?
Are we supposed to be attracted to every male that walks by? Lol.
Again. Just because i find someone unattractive doesn't mean that everyone will.
Guys that I find drop dead gorgeous may not be DDG to others.
Theyre subjective. Simple as that.

[Asker]

Because most are ugly or invisible to women. So looks are subjective is an overrated statement. They're more objective. Women are atteacted to men that have other women attracted to him

[TrueConfection]

I'm going to assume you are talking about just looks.

Maybe they don't know they're average? There are so many "How do I look?" questions on this platform. I'm guessing that a lot of people don't know where they fit on the general spectrum to other people.

The indicators are not that obvious. How many men approach you? I've seen unhygienic women who completely let themselves go get lots of attention. I've seen smart and gorgeous girls sitting alone.

Some of those "average" women might have set their standards high because they offer more in terms of brains or money. There are tons of less than average guys with good looking women for those reasons.

[Asker]

Those men have money and high status. They're not dating those men for genuine reasons

[Angie221994]

I work in marriage counseling. And I’ve actually seen more average looking men with very attractive women.


However. You’re missing the fact that women and men look for different things in relationships. So if you really are average looking, I would look into why women aren’t interested in you (past your looks). Look at your personality, the things you are saying, etc.


We already know that men are more visual than women.


However, women are more focused on if the man is emotionally mature, financially stable, and intelligent.


Men and women look for different things in a relationship. So I wouldn’t say it’s your looks that is the problem. Id do some deep soul searching and look at what kind of person you are.

[Asker]

I've seen the opposite. I've overweight and unattractive women with good looking me. 80/20 rule is? real

[Angie221994]

Not really. Like I said. I actually work with married couples. I’ve never seen unnattractive women with good looking men. But I’ll also say that beauty is subjective. Not everyone finds the same people attractive. So you might find the women unnattractive, maybe you’re gay? (Just kidding) lol. But those other men may find them attractive. I can also see why no one finds you attractive tho. Lol. What does overweight and un attractiveness have to do with anything? You can be overweight and still be pretty. And you can be skinned and still be ugly. Being overweight is irrelevant. Lol. I also wouldn’t be calling anyone unnattractive when you just admitted to be “average looking”. Considering that people think they’re more attractive than they actually are. So you’re most likely ugly. And women don’t want to date you because you don’t have a good personality either. Lol

[Asker]

Let's agree to disagree because I've seen the opposite. Women tend to have higher standards for looks in my experience and observations. And the red pill breaks down the 80/20 rule. 80% of men are unattractive and invisible to women

[Angie221994]

You expect women to date you even tho you just admitted to being unnattractive and are fat phobic? Hard pass.

It’s not really a “agree to disagree”. It’s not women’s fault that they don’t find you unnattractive. It’s your own fault.

And “the red pill” isn’t even a real thing. Lol. Also. Men have higher standards for looks. You proved it by calling fat people unnattractive. Women will date men who are overweight. Men will not date women who are overweight.

Thanks for proving my point.

You also don’t have any credible experience. Being rejected doesn’t make that “experience”. Women don’t owe you shit, dude. They don’t like you because of your personality 🤷🏻‍♀️ and if you’re ugly; then you should pick a struggle. Because you can’t both be ugly and have a shitty personality and then go cry on here on why women don’t like you as if they’re the problem when it’s you that’s the problem

[Asker]

Where did i say that i was fat phobic? Because i said overweight? And when i said unattractive i meant that average men are seen as unattractive to women. And dumbass i know im not entitled to Anything. Where did i mention entitlement? Get the fuck outta here if you're going ti be adding shit to a conversation i didn't say

[Asker]

The. Gaslighting by women on here is ridiculous

[Angie221994]

Yeah. Sorry. I can’t talk to you when you’re so emotional.

[Angie221994]

Lol. Okay? Get over it. Women see you as unnattractive. You already admitted to it. How do you know that you’re average and not just ugly? Lol. You probably think you’re average yet you’re out here being ugly and are mad that average looking women don’t want to settle for someone who’s ugly? Stop crying about it on here. Lol.

You should learn the definition of gaslighting lol

[Asker]

You do know that average looking women don't want average looking men. They don't even have to be ugly. They're just not above average in looks or higher dipshit. You're a woman of course so all of this is going to be bs to you but men and women are not the same. Men see the dating world through one lens, wonen see it through another. And the dating world is harder for men. I like it when females act like Cunts ☺

[Asker]

And i do know the definition of it. Females are a perfect example of it

[Angie221994]

I like it when little boys act so emotional, such as yourself 🥰

I may be a cunt, but at least people date me. You can’t say the same for yourself. Lol. Also. You’re obviously not average looking lol. Just say you’re ugly. It’s okay.

[Angie221994]

94% of people diagnosed with gaslighting behavior within other mental illnesses are men.

So it’s actually men that are perfect examples of it.

Wow.
So you’re ugly, shitty personality, AND stupid? No wonder no one wants to date you. You got 3 things working against you 😂

[Angie221994]

You do know that you’re ugly, have a terrible personality and are stupid, right? And that’s why no one wants to date you. 🥰

[Asker]

Women act more emotional than men. Both genders are human and men are capable of emotion but women act more emotional in general. And of course you do. You're a female. Females play the dating world on recruit difficulty in a call of duty game. Most men play it on veteran difficulty. And anyone can act like a hard ass on the internet lol

[Angie221994]

It’s actually men who are more emotional.

Men go on killing sprees when they get rejected. Or make a whole question and cry about it on here like you did because no one wants to date you. 😂

[Asker]

You don't have a great personality your self. It's really shitty too. You don't have a halo over your head

[Angie221994]

The majority of people who commit suicide are men. That just proves y’all are more emotional.

But while you’re at it, go ahead and try it out. Maybe try hanging yourself? Or a shot to the head. 🥰

[Angie221994]

Yet. Men still ask me out.

And you stay getting rejected 🥰 you’re out here thinking women owe you something when you ain’t shit lol

[Asker]

Because we live in a gynocentric society. And women actually feel more suicidal and depressed than men they just fail at suicide attempts because men choose more lethal ways if suicide. "Maybe try hanging yourself" yup that's something someone with a great personality says 👍

[Angie221994]

Lol. Awe. You’re getting so worked up and emotional 🥰

[Angie221994]

Majority of school shooters are men because they’re so emotional 🥰

[Asker]

Not really. I was upset earlier but feel more relaxed and realised im talking to someone that's not a good person herself. Women have better emotional support for things that men don't. Women get helped for mental health issues a lot better than men do. And a lot of men choose not to talk about these things because of the backlash

[Asker]

Men's mental health gets made fun. But oh no you dare not make fun of women's mental health

[Angie221994]

Y’all get backlash by other men. Lol. Y’all shame yourselfs.

You basically just admitted that men stay mentally ill and women get help to get better.

Thanks for admitting you’re an emotional and mentally ill person tho lol

[Angie221994]

Yeah. Men’s mental health gets made fun of by other men. Men invented toxic masculinity. You idiot. Lol. You’re complaining about shit that other men did lol

[Asker]

Women shame men too. Men are no angels and ill say that with no excuses. But women are no angels either. Women are capable of being just as fucked up as men are. This is part of the women are wonderful effect. Women make fun of men too and are capable of showning no empathy towards men. And just because a lot of men are scared to ask for help doesn't that there are men who don't try. They dont get the same help amount of help. There is no toxic masculinity. Feminazis just made that up because they want to control how men act or behave. If you think there's a toxic masculinity. Then we need to address toxic femininity as well

[Angie221994]

Awe. You continued to show how stupid you are. You literally said the definition of toxic masculinity and still don’t believe it lol. There’s no such thing as toxic femininity. Toxic masculinity is how men have trouble with their mental health because they’re told to hold it in as children and while they’re growing up. So all of their emotions show up only as anger. Which is also an emotion. Lol. It’s telling little boys not to cry and to “man up” and not show how they’re actually feeling.
THATS toxic masculinity.
You literally admitted to this and then said this doesn’t exist 😂😂

Like are you ok? Are you mentally retarded? Also making fun of feminists is most likely why no one wants you. Other than you being ugly and stupid, of course.

[Angie221994]

“They don’t get the same amount of help”

Because of toxic masculinity. You mental retard. Lol. Also. There is help out there. Y’all just don’t take it. Idiot

[Angie221994]

It’s funny because it’s actually toxic masculinity that tells you how to act. It’s what tells you to bottle up your feelings and not get help. Lol.

Omg. Like. Have you been diagnosed as clinically stupid? How do you not know this? Lol

[Asker]

Yes there is. Toxic femininity exist. Women can get away or get excused for being women. Women have privledges men don't. Women are oblivious to their own privledges. And why do you do that? Add shit or make up stuff to help feminazi cause? Women shame men but it's okay, you're women. It gets a pass. There is no patriachy and there is no toxic masculinity. It's made up by feminists to feel like they're somehow oppressed. Oppression obsession syndrome

[anylolone]

press X to doubt. How did you define average? did you list them compared to other males and they fit in the middle?

[Angie221994]

Lol you’re complaining about women getting privileges that MEN GAVE THEM. Men created this problem and then y’all are complaining about it? You’re mentally retarded

[Angie221994]

Lol. No. Toxic femininity does not exist 🥰 But you’re a prime example of toxic masculinity and the patriarchy does exist. Google is free, you retarded. 🥰 Use it. Because it’s so embarrassing that you’re this mentally challenged and stupid.

[Angie221994]

If you’re wondering why no one wants to date you, not even unnattractive women, it’s your disgusting personality. But hey, if you hate women so much, just admit that you’re obviously gay. Go after men since you obviously hate women. Like, it’s not our fault that you’re obviously a faggot 🥰

[anylolone]

Well, you do seem very toxic.
"Privileges men gave them" hey, but you just said "patriarchy" or some bullshit.

[Angie221994]

@anylolone Think about it. Who created laws back then? Who created societal norms backs then? Men. Lol. Then the same men complain on how it backfired on them

Let’s look at family courts. Which were also created by men, by the way. Most side with the mother. Then men complain about it, about how they have to pay child support or how they rarely get full custody. But who created these guild lines? Men. Lol. If it isn’t the consequences of your own actions.

But hey. You are stupid so 😬

[Asker]

It does exist though. Why are you so angry and defensive? Women want to control and change how men behave. Why does femimism empower women's sexuality while at the same time shame men's sexuality? Why does feminism always bring up the wage gap when the wage gap is due to economic choices women make? Not because ot sexism. Why do feminism talk about how they don't get any job opportunities when they don't even want to work in dangerous job positions like men do? Logging, coal mining, electrical engineering, construction etc. Feminist only real argument is bringing up the past and then using that as an excuse to justify their view that the men today created the patriachy. Feminists aren't fighting for equality. They're fighting for special treatment. Women have the same rights men do. Feminists just like to complain about an oppressed system which doesn't exist

[Angie221994]

Yeah. I’m not gonna read any of that. I can’t match your level of stupidity. Sorry 🥰

[Asker]

You're seem very mad though. Are you letting your feelings get in the way?

[Asker]

Seeming

[Angie221994]

Are you still talking?

[Asker]

You have two eyes that are hopefully functional. What do you think?

[Angie221994]

Yeah I’m not gonna bother to read your replies. Have fun talking to yourself 🥰

[Asker]

Now you're gonna coward your way out of this one huh lol

[anylolone]

"who created the laws" well, depends on which laws, big difference between English common law and shogunate legislation.

Who raised the kids who eventually worked together to work out the law?
And thank you for pointing out that those men (when they were men) worked out laws exclusively in favor of women.

And they didn't do this for no reason, damocles sword, after all.

[Frauensindobjekte]

@Angie221994 you are so incredibly dumb it's pathetic. Show your tits or shut up.

[Angie221994]

@fraunsindobjekte show your man boobs 🤢

[TonyV]

It's the body positivity movement really. There are very few women that realize how average they are, hell do to the movement there are huge gigantic morbidly obese women, no I'm not making fun of everyone with a little extra weight I'm talking about the 500lb girls, and even they think they are beautiful now, they think of themselves as above average. Like really aside from some depressed girls they all think they are above average, women just can't except average they all either convince themselves they are a 7 or up and are sexy or they get selfconscuous and think they are shit.

So I think what happens is that every average looking women we see out and about have jumped through mental gymnastics and think they are above average. I don't know why it's so hard for them to live with being average but most them delude themselves into thinking higher of themselfs, so many can't handle the truth. So really us guys should do the same thing, fuck it, everyone is above average.

[arefin]

it's because of options. girls have many options than guys. by a lot. very select few guys have many options. but that option comes combination of money, confidence and looks. funny thing is as guys get older they get all these three and younger girls gravitate towards them then girls complain guys are pig 🤣 . all these things contribute to this. girls need to choose the best mate because they have limited supply of being pretty and young ( biologically they have limited eggs). so older more capable guys or guy with lots of resources looks attractive to them.

this is just what i think. i have no earthly idea what goes through in a girl's mind. if someone can crack that mystery let me know.

[FriedPickles1218]

Do you even go out into the real world? Lol. Just the other day I saw a guy that was probably around 5'2-5'3 and "average looking" who had a gorgeous woman about his same height by his side; and I know they were romantic partners by how they were talking to each other.

Most people are average looking anyway. Just because a woman doesn't find one average looking guy attractive doesn't mean she finds all average looking guys unnatractive. People have different features and tastes vary.

[Asker]

Can we use something other than "I've seen a guy with so & so" as an legitimate counter argument. That's over used

[FriedPickles1218]

Well what else do you want?

[Asker]

Surprise me

[Kiran_Yagami]

Because Chad and Tyrone, who are above average looking by miles, will still bang the average looking girls on the side. What they won't do is commit to them, but women always mistake sexual attention for romantic attention. So if Chad will fuck her, she must be worthy of Chad, right? Nope, wrong, but she'll never figure that out.

[FreyaRed]

"Average" looking guys are most annoying ones, they think it's possible to change your mind when they run behind you like hungry dogs behind a ham. If I have eye contact with good looking guy and I give him to understand I'm currently not interested, he will turn and walk away, lot of "average" looking guys won't give up. That's why it's better to ignore them and being deterrent before they plant some illusions in their mind. The other point is, some guys are average looking for one girl but handsome for another. Appearance is a spectrum not a constant.

[Asker]

80% of men are unattractive to women. And no it's not their personalities that make them unattractive. These are just average looking dudes and it's not enough. The men getting the women are in the top 20%

[FreyaRed]

Go out into real world and stop reading dating apps statistics. Girls in dating apps seek attention or hookups if they want to have high body count. Of course they are picky because there are tons bots with models pics to attract girls which are the asset of every dating app and tons of men who bomb every girl with dozens of "hi, how r u?" messages. This isn't the real world.

[Asker]

Im looking at the world through the lense of a man. Male virginity is also on the rise. Women's standards are rising and that's okay. They have the right to. And i love how people act like dating standards change from online to in person. Average looking men are not enough. We have to do a lot of things to be seen as attractive by a woman

[FreyaRed]

My former partner wasn't especially attractive, 6-7/10 not more. But he impressed me as he invited me to a party. We both didn't have a car with 16 and we went with bus there. I wore heels and super short and tight mini and short gray chinchilla fur that I borrowed from mother. This outfit wasn't especially comfortable. He went as first one out of the bus and gave me a helped hand to get. He won me in this moment just with giving me helping hand for 3 seconds

[Ryfyle]

@freyared So we should kill all men under an 8 then.

[Asker]

EXCEPTIONS DON'T DISPROVE THE GENERAL RULE

[FreyaRed]

The general rule is something that solely shapes your life?

[Asker]

No it's part of the dating world. Most men aren't your boyfriend

[Friendlybro79]

So by your logic are roughly 80% of men looking for women alone and never find someone? Your perception doesn't entitle you to definitively put percentages to things like this. Regardless this is all subjective to what studies? What is attractive?
You're unfortunately wrong until you can prove yourself which you can't.

[msc545]

@Ryfyle no. Women will do it themselves.

[AkshiJanjua]

Lmao how pretty would you think you are to write something like this

[msc545]

@AkshiJanjua Women that write shit like this and believe it are the ones you *really* need to avoid.

[HighValue]

A couple reasons.
1. The majority of women that think they are pretty are actually average.
2. The desperate horny men lavish average women with excessive disingenuous compliments to get sex so those women then think they are vey attractive due to the excess of compliments from desperate men.

[Browneye57]

It's their parent's fault. Actually it's my generations fault cuz we raised a whole crop of really crappy helicopter parents.

From the time these girls could talk they were told how pretty and special they are, how much better and more deserving than any boy, that they deserve to be happy successful and loved, and that one day a prince charming is going to swoop in and sweep them off their feet.
It's all fukkin lies. They deserve nothing, they get what they get for the effort and work they put in, just like everybody else.
Even disney got in on this shtick.

And many, even fifty year old's, somehow think the world revolves around THEM, that they're somehow entitled to whatever. Still stuck on puppy dogs rainbows and pink unicorns.

I call it the princess complex. Hell, they even have sparkly license plate frames and call themselves princess or queen.

Pfft. LOL

[Anonymous]

THISSSSSS

Yes, I do. Because I see it happen time and time again. Majority of women are unamused creatures. That definitely includes me. So average men who don’t behave masculine, who don’t have any muscles on them, who don’t look like studs, won’t look much like a catch unless they’re handsome like Justin Bieber or Ryan Reynolds or something like that.
So you’d have to be a Pretty Boy or a complete STUD. You choose

[syskerully]

Women are not looking for a man most of the time. They're looking for an accessory: the same impulse that drives them to buy shoes and bags also makes them want good-looking rich men, and later babies, to show off to other women.
Alternatively, what qualifies as a "better" accessory may also depend on the woman's social circle, like for example if she's around friends who only care about a man's money then it won't be relevant if he's hot.

[SphynxUK]

I suppose to anyone else, all my significant others have been average looking. But, they have all had that something special which I clicked with.
I am apparently above average. (That’s what I’m always told). To me, a face is a face. What makes someone attractive to me is more than the face.

[Asker]

You're older so that makes sense

[Sarahr123]

Is a girl who is 5’6 with 34-23-34 measurements, tight body, small dainty hnds and feet, big almond shaped eyes, a v-shaped sharp jawline, straight nose and long thick hair average?

what exactly is average?

I am picky but I think I’m very good looking myself.

[Asker]

All the men that are invisible to you

[Sarahr123]

I meant what is average in a girl

[Asker]

A girl that's not a model but isn't ugly either

[Sarahr123]

Model is a profession with very strict requirements for height and body and is pretty much mostly focused on body. I have a mannequin body and a pretty face.

[dvc0006]

pictures? you got no pictures

[Sarahr123]

@dvc0006 I have a few

[Asker]

How did this go from average looking women not wanting to date average looking men to models physiques lol

[Sarahr123]

Dunno was just curious what you thought was average. I go by conventional standards.

[poof_22]

I've seen plenty of average to above average looking women with fat facially challenged men but the opposite is incredibly rare. The amount of absolutely STUNNING women going out with men that work minimum wage jobs and are way below their league (appearance wise) is too often. Don't underestimate women, the bar is actually in hell.

[Asker]

Can we something other than"I've seen so & so with someone? Exceptions dont disprove the rule

[poof_22]

what? do you want me to present you statistics for every obvious fact? Do you need statistics to confirm that most people love pizza? Do you need statistics to confirm that people need oxygen to breath? Women are held to a higher beauty standard, just look at the media, the beauty industry and it's biggest consumers , the way beauty is seen as one of the most important value a woman can have. The way a mans appearance can be diverse in video games, movies, animations while the woman consistently stays in that narrow beauty standard. And I could go on and on, a lot of above average looking women date average to ugly dudes, even if you disagree with it the opposite is rare and you know it.

[Frauensindobjekte]

Your bias is insane.

[Qdbrown]

Social Media, Dating Apps and the Hallmark Channel.

They believe their Price Charming is a day away, and never settle, just hang out with guys, date and mess around until Mr. Wonderful shows up, which for most never existed in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Why do we need to scale people as "ugly", "basic", "unattractive", "average" or "normal"? lol

Women and men both go for looks or personality. It really depends on the person and what they like or are attracted to.

[Asker]

Yeah but men have a wider range of what they find attractive compared to women. 80/20 rule dicusses this

[Opinion Owner]

Honestly, men and women could go for anything as long as they feel loved. Some choose to go with the flow and some don't. Men have a wider range of what they find attractive compared to women? Sounds interesting but like what exactly? Are you going to talk about personality?

[Asker]

We're talking about looks. Just strictly looks. Personality is not what i brought up

[Opinion Owner]

Looks can range from people to people in terms of attraction. If she doesn't like you, that's that. Average or not, a person will like you in terms of attractiveness. If they aren't attracted to you, tough luck, plenty of fish in the sea.

[Asker]

That's easy for you to say as a girl since most girls have options. A guy doesn't. So you can move on easily because eventually a guy's going to say yes to you to

[lightbulb27]

self image is different than as perceived by everyone else. I don't buy what you said is true nor in the right vantage point. Women aren't all about looks, they are about confidence moreso.

"The cats meow..."

[TheorionMage]

As Woody Allen posited in "Everything You Want to KNow about Sex, but Were Afraid to Ask"
EVERYONE seeks to screw ABOVE their 'station' in Life~ So, "all ships RISE when the tide comes in"

Those successful in these pursuits "improve their breeding stock" through their progeny.

[Carolus]

Because it’s all natural for humans to overate themselves, whether in their intelligence, character or physical appearance. Feeling too hot when they ain’t. It’s you who think they are average looking, to them, they are super hot looking for most handsome men to match.

[cookiecrusher]

Social media has made most average women seem like models.

Tons of simps feeding womens egos.

Most women rate themselved higher, most think they are 8s 9s and 10s. So of course they aren't going to settle for a 5.

Thankfully there are few decent women still left.
And i managed to find my precious😗, pretty early on.

[Avicenna]

Well, what you're referring to is part of hypergamy, but in the real world, people settle all the time for less than the ideal partner, in large part because attractiveness is multidimensional but also because you figure out that the less-than-ideal person is perfectly fine to date and is a whole lot better than being single all the time.

There's nothing preventing you from talking to women you want to get to know.

[Anonymous]

Because they can. Dates are much easier to get for women as too many men are available to them. Since filtering through countless men is too much work, they might as well aim for the richest and best looking.

This is why women date multiple men at the same time before committing to one. When men find a date, they focus on her only since they will not get another chance. The desperate ones will get into a relationship and tell every women she is the best because free sex.

A lot of men are also the cause of this. They will put a woman on a pedestal, spend money out of desperation, and do everything for them. Because he went broke and got bitter from his last girlfriend, his next girlfriend will jut move on the the next guy who can afford all that and the cycle continues.

This is not everyone though. Another poster on here messaged me with "She doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a daddy" and "He doesn't want a girlfriend, he wants a prostitute".

[_piotr]

You made an error. They do not "find average looking men unattractive". Women do not find all men unattractive. Men are good for women to be money providers, defenders, serfs, butlers, entertainers, etc... If you think women may find man's body attractive, then you are in for a shock! Why do you think women watch lesbian porn? Why they ogle other women? Why their sexuality is fluid? Think about this.

[slatyb]

Why do average-looking men find average looking women unattractive? Or maybe the problem is that what men think of as "average-looking women" are really well above average. They don't realize this because the least attractive 40% of women are invisible to them. They may also not realize that among men, they really are average-looking.

[Friendlybro79]

Your question is your observation of some women. You cannot generalize this and expect a real answer because you assume this about average looking women..

It's honestly a silly question because what does an avg looking woman look like?

You really want to know why do some women, who you think are of avg looks do not like what you perceive to be of men with avg looks.

I think you l know the answer if you really think about it.

[LinaDaGoddess]

I would like to know that answer too. Average women get average men, so I don’t understand why they would feel the audacity to try to get any higher. You’re supposed to stick with your level of attractiveness typically.

[Loveisgirthy]

Cuz average women typically are taught how to find better men. Men are more likely to settle typically. I'm more likely to date a few more women and call it in on love to avoid the new bullshits involved. One thing we do need to all have more understanding of is the societal idea of relationships and how it effects us is different for each and we have to be able to forgive a lot more as much as we can.

[Anonymous]

I fall hard for “basic” men. I don’t know why but I love them.
I personally find imperfections attractive. From and annoying piece of hair that never stays down to a weird bone that sticks out in his hand. I love it. I don’t find “hot” or perfect attractive. I feel like “hot” is subjective and “basic” is hot to me.
Imperfection is perfect to me. People will find different things attractive but you don’t need to be perfect to be liked.

[AncientWisdom]

That is outstanding. This tells me your a good person with a brain. May you find everything you want in life. ✌️

[Opinion Owner]

@AncientWisdom thank you ❤️

[AncientWisdom]

You're very welcome we all are human , and just want to be happy. Ladies that behave as you say you do are gem, and I feel should be told so.

[Opinion Owner]

@AncientWisdom 🥺🥺🥺 🙏

[KlinkyCoder]

I blame social networking and digital media. I'm pretty sure it has been that way to some degree before that, but social media and the current model of online dating has enabled it to accelerate to be more epidemic.

[MJtheCoach]

Dude is very simple.
Everything comes to
Men.


In human species is against the nature of women chance hot looking Guys.
And any times girls chance men because of their looks is because that nation / city/ place/ state it’s men are pu###ified.
So? Their women are unhappy because of it and they think they should date hot guys.
Which they’ll end up miserable in the end.

[UdontNeedtoknow]

Because modern women have a over inflated view of themselves. This is why 70% of millennial women will die alone, sad, lonely, and surrounded by cats when the cops come to do a welfare check. Meanwhile the women who "settle" and pick a guy who truly loved them will have a fulfilled life with plenty of loved one's. This is why the epidemic of modern narcissistic women being miserable is only going to get worse.

[Anonymous]

Social media my friend. An average girl goes on her social media profile and sees that tons of above average guys are competing for her attention so she concludes that she must be above average because she can attract above average guys. She doesn't realize those guys sent the same message to a hundred other girls and that she's not special to them. Men would go below their level when looking for a quick, easy fuck.

[Subarugirl]

Yeah she does realize that, if she doesn’t she’s either a child or an idiot

[Opinion Owner]

Then how come all these average girls call themselves 9s and 10s?

[Subarugirl]

What girls?

[Opinion Owner]

Okay then how would you rate yourself?

[Subarugirl]

Well first of all I wouldn’t, but back to my last question. What girls?

[Opinion Owner]

Girls who want tall, handsome, intelligent, athletic guys who make good money. No girl would accept that she only deserves a short, fat, broke guy.

[Subarugirl]

My husband is shorter than me and didn't have a job when we got married

[Opinion Owner]

You proved my point. Your husband is out of your league yet you think you deserve him.

[Subarugirl]

When did I say that I deserve him?

[Opinion Owner]

You don't deserve him?

[Subarugirl]

I consider my self blessed to have such a good man chose to be a part of my life and father to our son.

[Opinion Owner]

You are blessed. He's was too good for you even though he was shorter and had no job and was bald and fat.

[Subarugirl]

Lol who said anything about being balled and fat and why do you think that?

[Opinion Owner]

You mean you were lucky enough to land yourself a fit guy with hair?

[Subarugirl]

How many 22 year olds do you know who are balled,? and even if he were balled, I wasn't interested in him just for his hair, that primarily had to with his personality.

[msc545]

@Subarugirl Difficult to imagine any sane guy putting up with you.

[Opinion Owner]

Msc545 don't be mean. I would like to defend her because i've seen her profile pic and she has a nice rack and so I'll defend her. Based on her rack I'd say she's a very nice girl.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 It's difficult to imagine anything you don't understand

[Subarugirl]

I would recommend focusing your energy on improving you attitude honestly

[msc545]

@Subarugirl You even managed to just fuck up that snipe. Go back to 3rd grade and take it over and this time pass.

[msc545]

That is neither her actual rack nor her actual pic. Stop the White Knighting simp.

[Opinion Owner]

How do you know? If she says it's her rack then I'll trust her. Subarugirl is that your rack in the pic?

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 it is actually and I am more than happy to prove it.

[msc545]

it isn't her face, so I think it unlikely that it's her ack, but hell, maybe it is. Poor boobs stuck with such a nasty bitch.

[Subarugirl]

hon, if you are having lady problems, its probably because you make inappropriate and objectifying comments like that.

[Opinion Owner]

Prove it pls

[msc545]

@Subarugirl I would recommend you admit you are really a guy.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545
https://postimg.cc/8FjkT6Ph

[msc545]

@Subarugirl Now you claim to be a "lady"? Hilarious!

[msc545]

Also, get better at Photoshop. Nobody has a middle finger that long.

[Opinion Owner]

When you said you wanted to prove it I thought you were gonna post a picture of your rack. I have to say I'm disappointed

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 lol they do if they are 6 ft tall…. Maybe you just have tiny fingers 😂
https://postimg.cc/3kNrpvDV

[Opinion Owner]

People on this site are so much fun. Subarugirl, you keep it real while arguing about unimportant shit.

[Opinion Owner]

Msc545 try to get her to show her rack

[Subarugirl]

Having people making false accusations about me is important to me

[msc545]

@Subarugirl poor baby

[msc545]

uh, what rack?

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 lol what ever you say nubby

[Opinion Owner]

I have a question? Why did you change your whole outfit between taking the two pictures.

[Subarugirl]

I have a question? Why do you think it’s OK to make inappropriate sexual remarks towards stranger on the Internet

[msc545]

@Subarugirl I have two questions - why is it ok for you to do the very same thing, and also, does playing victim work for you?

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 when did I make inappropriate sexual remarks toward either of you?

[Opinion Owner]

You don't seem to be offended by the sexual remarks since you're continuing this conversation. That's what makes it okay. Fyi, no one but the short hubby has any real interest in seeing the rack.

[msc545]

@Subarugirl You are just generally inappropriate.

[Opinion Owner]

You said msc has tiny fingers

[Opinion Owner]

You also said something about lady problems

[msc545]

Calling people "nubby" is an inappropriate sexual remark.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 not it’s not lol there is nothing sexual about it? I mean since you think my fingers are so long, I assumed yours were nubby, and since you didn’t disagree…

[msc545]

@Subarugirl keep mumbling.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 so again... what sexual remark?

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 unless you have like a finger fetish or something, how is commenting on phalanges sexual?

[msc545]

@Subarugirl you are truly a waste of time.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 says the guy who butted in and started throwing around false accusations...… get a life. If you wanted attention you could have just asked for it.

[msc545]

@Subarugirl No, truthful accusations. Stop being so butthurt about this

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 you accused me of catfishing…. Do you reattach that or are you still going with that accusation

[msc545]

I will "reattach" it to your fake picture

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 Why do you think it is fake?

[Realbanger87]

You really think so? You fucking average guys are hitching up all the hotties leaving us above average guys with the average girls... man gtfoh with this nonsense

[Asker]

Look up 80/20 rule. It's not bs you blue pilled simp

[Realbanger87]

Ahah it all suddenly seems so clear

[Asker]

Hopefully it woke you up

[Realbanger87]

No. I realised why even average girls dont like you

[Anonymous]

Good question. They are seemingly fine with dating a fat and bald pimpleface with a huge nose (that looks like it's about to burst) if he can buy her some new red bottoms from Louis Vuitton.
This applies not to all women of course.

But for real now. It matters more how a man makes a woman feel rather than impressing a woman by materialistic means.

[mobiusforniner]

If thats what you think, then either you dont have much to offer or you dont market yourself very well. Im not ripped or super attractive. Im quite average. And dude, I've dated many beautiful women...

[MCheetah]

Hypergamy, shallowness, simp culture, and entitlement. I'm so f*cking done with women.

[TheBigGuy9]

Social Media. I just explained this to a friend. Because average women get messages from horny guys, they’re getting attention. So now they think they’re hot shit, when in reality they aren’t.

[Pohjolan]

Firstly this is women on OkCupid so there is some survivorship bias.

Secondly handsome men are promoted more by dating apps and social media so they seem more common than what they really are.

Thirdly there are handsome men bots that make them seem even more common.

So its a matter of exposure.

[Uptowngirl88]

A man being average looking isn't the issue. Maybe the average guy is lacking in resources. Like nicki minaj once said ," there's no such thing as broke and handsome.."

[Asker]

80/20 rule says otherwise

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm a woman, no one knows a woman better than a woman. We like resources. Looks come last

[Asker]

Women's words < women's actions

[Uptowngirl88]

@anylolone again I'm not going to argue. If you get it you get if you don't you dont.🤷🏾‍♀️

[anylolone]

Well, I do get it, that's the issue. And as guy here said "women's actions take precedent to their words".
Same for men, by the way. Actions, as a rule, talk louder than words.

Including nicki's actions. You can bet nicki is hiring broke dudes dancers for no other reason than them being hot. Not necessarily to fuck them, but you can bet she's not the exception.

[Uptowngirl88]

@anylolone you don't get it. 🤣 that was a poor interpretation of what nicki means.

[anylolone]

The point is that words are cheap.
Actions trump discourse.

I know the objective behind her words, the objective is to trick suckers into wasting resources, and the biggest suckers she's tricking is women.
Women who believe her words carry any power and will trick suckers for them into wasting resources, and successfully shame other women into "not telling on women".

And those same women are going to be tricked by the same producers over youthful boys who are nothing but servile sex objects for their titillation.
Be it the next "trap sensation" which was a nobody boy with a rep sheet a mile long, and severe addiction, or some korean boy who's chief achievement as an artist is selling his life for the higher bidder in a sexual fantasy titillation gauntlet with very low chances of getting anywhere.
The flavor of the month idol boy toy.

[Uptowngirl88]

@anylolone I am not reading all that lol

[anylolone]

Neither doing any self reflection or facing brutal reality either.

You gonna end up like east european women and worshiping the ground dick goes through, to over compensate, after this is all over.
As if it would do any good either.

Hey, who the fucking cares? I'm always up to be the "I told you so" voice in people's heads.
It's a very old habit of mine...

[Uptowngirl88]

@anylolone I'm not reading all that sorry

[anylolone]

Very simple, in a few years you gonna heard a voice in your head saying "I told you so".

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm not reading your paragraphs and I would never take anyone seriously who is too insecure to post a real photo of themselves. Sorry bud

[Uptowngirl88]

You're 42 still suffering from insecurities and spending your life and time on gag. Can't take you seriously. Sorry bro🤷🏾‍♀️

[anylolone]

Seriously, you ooze desperation here, and now that I brought some common knowledge you can't deny, you just pretend it isn't happening. Women fuel an industry of raising nobodies for no other reason than the boys being hot since the beginning of the last century.

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm not reading all that sorry. You're 42 time is ticking for the nursing home.

[anylolone]

lol, I can lift your own weight a few times, I can build up everything which you depend on.
Brat, please, don't embarrass yourself. You cried over dicks not much different than mine, and raged about it, and will keep doing it for the rest of your days.
That's all useless to me compared to you having some self awareness, little BRAT!

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm not reading all that sorry🤷🏾‍♀️

[anylolone]

Women fuel an industry of raising nobodies for no other reason than the boys being hot since the beginning of the last century.

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm not reading that sorry🤷🏾‍♀️

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm not reading anything u type sorry 🤷🏾‍♀️

[Uptowngirl88]

I'm sorry I'm not reading anything you type. I get an alert and choose not to read it🤷🏾‍♀️

[On_cloud_wine]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hCuMWrfXG4E

Your question reminds me of this song

[Asker]

Why though?

[Subarugirl]

Most likely because there is more to attraction than physical appearance. You could look like a greek god but if you have a shitty attitude you will still be unattractive.

[Asker]

You do know a lot of women are attracted to thugs right?

[Subarugirl]

And you want those kind of women to be attracted to you too?

[Asker]

No but a lot are attracted to them and because of that, a lot of men get written off as potential mates

[Subarugirl]

So you’re complaining about women you’re not into, not being into you?

[Asker]

That's not what im saying. That's your own interpretation of what i said. But a lot of women are not attracted to men who aren't thuggish. Even women who aren't into thugs still don't want average looking guys

[Subarugirl]

You said you aren’t into those kind of women, though, so what does it matter?

[Asker]

I said even women who aren't into thugs are not into average looking men. That's a majority of women

[Subarugirl]

As a woman… I can assure you that for women when it comes to attraction, attitude and personality play a huge role in being attracted to a man.

[Asker]

Actions>women's words. I hear about personality & confidence yawn. The looks threshold is what you have to past first for that the personality traits to matter

[Subarugirl]

Hon you asked a question and you have a bunch of women telling you the same thing I am… if you’re having lady problems it’s because of you crappy attitude not your face

[Rockythestrongest]

You shouldn't reproduce, work on yourself.

[Asker]

@Rockythestrongest Who said i wanted kids? I was just talking about how women only want to date a small percentage of men

[Rockythestrongest]

You worded it as 'mate' so I assumed you thought of it as that, anyways you need to work on yourself either way. good luck

[Asker]

@Rockythestrongest I dont need your luck. Lates

[dvc0006]

those " kind of women" are the overwhelming majority of women unfortunately

[dvc0006]

what is the right " atitude and personality " ?

[Subarugirl]

@dvc0006 good people usually are.

[mobiusforniner]

@dvc0006 someone confident in themselves. Good sense of humor. Kind but assertive. A gentleman. Someone who stands up for himself and those he cares about yet is a good listener and understands all perspectives. Has his shit together. I mean real shit- like continuous log shit- not this half chunky diarrhea shit that most guys offer women these days.

[Lyndsielee666]

Who’s to say that what you find average is what others find average…

[Asker]

I've been talking about the 80/20 rule and why average looking women don't want average looking men

[anylolone]

Average in what ever metric is something that can be objectively accessed.
Average means average. Means around the mean.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@anylolone water means water. Rain means rain. Insane rambling is insane rambling.

Lol

[anylolone]

@ChefPapiChulo Feels like a tautology, but one's forced to be tautological in order to deal with stupid disingenuous people like you.

Average means average, it means around the mean. Usually denoted by the greek letter mu.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@anylolone oh wow set theory. LMAO. i learned that when i was 6. you fucking retard.

[anylolone]

@ChefPapiChulo set theory?
Did you literally called basic normal distribution "set theory"?

Well, there's a lot of cross between fields but somehow you called it crazy before, showing your lack of understanding.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@anylolone LOL you are a half wit.

https://youtu.be/AeSt2KNUdXY

you literally learn this in elementary school LOLOL FUCKING RETARD

[ChefPapiChulo]

as for your "average is average" nonsense, you learn about bell curves so fucking early on LOLOLOL. you're fucking brain dead.

[anylolone]

@ChefPapiChulo So, you posted a video that has very little to do with normal curves.

Well, here you go again, thinking words are magic.
You literally posted some elementary set theory with very little relation to normal curves or statistics.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@anylolone well anyways. You’re a retard.

[Lyndsielee666]

@ChefPapiChulo I love this

[ChefPapiChulo]

he used tautology and doesn't know how that video is unrelated lmao.

as he would put it

Anylolone is a retard because he is a retard. lmao

[anylolone]

@ChefPapiChulo I know how it's unrelated, in detail.
But I'm suspecting here you meant "how's related".

[ChefPapiChulo]

@anylolone the English language is lost on you my friend.

[anylolone]

@ChefPapiChulo Seem to be lost on you.
You did meant "how's related" and you fucked up.

[Nazgol]

You're going after the wrong women. Plenty of sweet girls exist I'm sure that would be ok with an average guy

[Asker]

80/20 rule says otherwise

[Intothevoid666]

After they have a much more attractive guy first. Which isn’t something most men would go for

[Nazgol]

@Intothevoid666 that's just a generalization. There are some girls who don't do that

[Asker]

Eh Majority do

[Anonymous]

It's common now that men have to date down, either she looks worse than you or you have to be much better in other areas of life as her. You'll never see an attractive woman date an uglier and poorer man lol

[fonduegirl]

Because sometimes we define ourselves by the company we keep

[Asker]

Be more specific

[fonduegirl]

Sometimes we define our worth by the spouses we have. Like, if I marry a CEO, I must be a great woman.

[AkshiJanjua]

Because we men run after women like beggars which surely will make even an average looking girl feel like a queen. Rather than being angry we should raise our own standards

[sheikalana]

Well, I've seen a lot of attractive women who find average men attractive too.

[Asker]

I've seen a homeless man become a millionaire. It's not the norm though

[Cathy7734]

But those average men have valuable things to bring to the table. Many women find wealth more important than looks. Or feel safe with a man - someone who will protect her.

[dvc0006]

@Cathy7734 but then its prostitution, because they are interested in the money not the guy.

[Kabluie]

Attraction isn't a choice. You just know what you like and what is 6.0 to you might actually be a 4.0 in their eyes.

[Asker]

Looks are subjective blah blah blah

[Tonita91996]

Because they are entitled and the world has to keep teaching the same lesson until they learn it.

[VikingWarLord]

This is only a WEST problem.
Go to SouthEast Asia or Eastern Europe.
The women (even hot ones) will swoon even over average dudes from the West.
Get your passport, America is FINISHED