If you don't know who you are in life and if you are a follower you can train yourself to do anything but the end result is it's your choice on who and what you want to be in this world and what you think and what you don't think you are the only person on the inside of you that can do this but if you're lazy you will follow and become just like the person who told you
first of all kudos for raising the topic when people tell you that is nonsense and people censor nonsense.
the news media repeats many times per day, day after day about toxic males and chauvinistic stories so without even deciding, still the propaganda is already inside most men and women.
@Smashingdoozy you are fucking rude and staring could be a result of a medical problem or learning disability. Trust a so called equality zoomer/millennial to discriminate against the disabled. And staring is not shitty in any case.
@DarkLegacy exactly. its just a matter whether the girl is a bitch or not. These types are the are type to falsely accuse you of sexual harassment and send the cops after you. devil forbid any man marries such a female.
@Smashingdoozy Women do not hate m and they don't hate men who stare at them. You have issues my dear, and it is my right to, last time i checked no law had been past stating i was not allowed to get off on a woman or stare at them.
@DarkLegacy as a woman it makes me incredibly uncomfortable when a man stares at me in a way which is clearly not day dreaming. It is not your "right" to. just because it's not illegal doesn't mean you have the right to do something, the way you're saying it is like you are owed it. You are not. If a woman seems uncomfortable with you staring at her then stop. It is also actually illegal to "get off on a woman" that would imply you are masturbating on her which is sexual harassment. WHY would you not care that you're making someone uncomfortable? Wouldn't you rather women see you in a positive romantic light rather than just another man trying to get in her? Because when you stare THAT is all we are thinking you want, to fuck and that's it. It's unattractive.
Why the fuck should i care, and i will do what the fuck i like. You feeling uncomfortable is your problem, im sick and fucking tired of women thinking that men should adjust just to make them very comfortable. Typical snowflake, feminist mentality.
@DarkLegacy 5 seconds is LONG ass time to stare at a stranger while that stranger is aware of it. Be normal and look away after 2 seconds of them noticing you, unless you two are vibin or something
@Haraklus The very last thing that is needed is a white knight, and i shall exercise my right to stare, this is just retarded millennial snowflake crap.
You sound like one of those people who wave their arms in the air and scream: "my photons, my photons!"
You do not own people's eyes and if you don't want to be stared at then stay out of public. Imagine being so frail someone's staring at you bothers you, if women stare at me do you think I give a fuck?
@DarkLegacy nobody is trying to control where you look. I made my point very clear. You aren't going to get anything from a woman if you oogle her in public so why bother? You're going to stare, she is going to notice you staring, she's going to get uncomfortable, give you a weird look and walk away fast. Then you're going to think she's a bitch because how dare she not come running over and faint into your arms over your intense charm. Then you have achieved absolutely nothing except make yourself angry from your own actions.
You know what is actually attractive? A guy staring, noticing I noticed, then he genuinely smiles at me and looks away! Showing he isn't a threat to me!
@Smashingdoozy lol at you saying it is illegal to get off on women, sorry but it is not a crime to think something. You do need to grow up, no woman has ever done that to me for staring at them, and i tend to stare at every person i see. You do live in a cloud of delusion, perhaps you would like to live in a bubble so you feel nice and safe from all the nasty, bad men.
@lilithscandle Sorry what is gross as fuck to defend, you are behaving like a silly girl, getting off on someone else is not gross, it is natural. Wow, feminists have really work on you
@DarkLegacy pissing is normal, does that mean people should be allowed to urinate for the public to watch? No. The behavior you are describing is perverted and implies that the random men staring at women for longer than 5 seconds in public is doing so to get off on the idea of them, and that in itself is gross.
@DarkLegacy pissing is normal, does that mean people should be allowed to urinate for the public to watch? No. The behavior you are describing is perverted and implies that the random men staring at women for longer than 5 seconds in public is doing so to get off on the idea of them, and that in itself is gross. It displays a lack of self control, which is weak. Pure weakness.
@lilithscandle It is normal and is ingrained in our biology, you are retarded. Stupid feminist comment. Who on Earth decides how long is acceptable, grow up and stop being offensive just because i won't be dictated by some snowflake feminist. I will look where the fuck i like and for how long i like and will think what i like and no dictating man bashing snowflake feminist is going to tell me otherwise.
I have no hate nor any care for things that aren’t in a person’s control. i said I choose not to argue with an autistic person because I’m aware that autistic people commonly have the issue of discerning different social cues. Some don’t know what is appropriate and what isn’t. It’s kind of mean go back and forth with you knowing that, and it’s also frustrating trying to get you to understand the point.
I do, however, hate misogynists (hate is a strong word and I don’t care enough about misogynistic people I just stay away from them). So again.
@DarkLegacy I was literally just responding to your comments and even gave an analogy to show you how careless your statement was. It is not my fault that you’re under almost every comment, love. Apologies if you feel targeted. And no, I don’t care enough to hate.
It would be ignorant to dislike someone because they are autistic. The best thing to do is find a way for both parties to communicate effectively or not communicate at all.
@lilithscandle no you are a moron if you think looking at someone is anywhere remotely the same as pissing in front of them. That's a false equivalency.
@Juxtapose in the way you phrased it, it is. But that isn’t what I’m speaking about. It is the moral equivalency of the nature of doing what is considered “normal”.
The person I replied to with the analogy was speaking about getting off on women while staring at them in public for however long they want because it is “biologically embedded in men”. So I responded with the analogy of peeing in public. That is natural and biologically imbedded too. And in fact, the only way the two are not even comparable is you can’t control your pee if you really gotta go, but you can control your actions towards others, especially in regards to getting off on them.
Think so, I wouldn't say trained, but brainwashed. Some of those influencers who give bad advice sadly have many many followers. And the things they say, it makes me laugh at the start, but then you realize how many people actually do what she suggests you should do, and then it gets sad real quick.
And sometimes there are update videos on them being single and feeling miserable. Which is a sign towards the followers that whatever they were preaching obviously didn't work. But those influencers still don't know what they did wrong. By the time that update video comes, the damage has probably been done to many individuals.
Most women I run into in every day life tend to like me... Obviously some women buy into socialist ideas like feminism and are brainwashed into hating men. Luckily socialists don't have much of a foothold in Florida. They are more concentrated in Democrat run states that are thousands of miles away.
yes. the thing is its spreading to the rest of the world too. also this is lwading to more and more men hating women. as well this is a lot more of what causes domestic disputes than the so called patriarchy that modern feminists claim causes domestic issues, and this teaching is done by (gasp) modern feminists.
Not "trained" per se, more so brainwashed. Tiktok is getting worse with this stuff, there's more and more women growing up in broken homes, therefore hating men in general because they did not have a father and every single new show you see out there, especially if it has teenagers, also includes negative perspectives of men.
So they hate men for not having fathers present, not mothers for them letting complete losers put their penis in them and knock them up. Only women can get preggers, so I have to ask…. is there no disdain for women who let total losers impregnate them?
We know that. Women in America do not believe in accountability. The last one who was made to apologize for anything ended up on life support 30 seconds later.
@KrakenAttackin maybe YOUR tiktok is soft porn 😂 you do realize it’s based on what you engage with, right? My wife’s is all aesthetic nature and cookjng videos, mine is half gen z memes and half gay women talking about which water bottles they like (i have to admit the latter confuses me, too)
@Exterminatore it’s ironic you say this because deadbeats are so common that the women who request child support are ridiculed now. They’re so common that women who men dont like are insulted by being called fatherless but the father never is held accountable. Just the women being blamed for “trying to baby trap” or take the males money. And the women who got pregnant are shit on by red pill podcasters with millions of young boys and misogynistic males following them. Only women can get pregnant, yes. And only males can impregnate them. And you don’t commonly see women being deadbeat moms. They work and take care of their kids, and because most baby mothers come from such poor areas, they have little to no support in doing so.
What I see is often women let themselves be impregnated by losers. Then act surprised when he doesn’t stick around and doesn’t financially support his offspring.
You said it yourself. Only women can get pregnant, therefore the responsibility is on them as to who they choose to let impregnate them.
So who do we hold accountable? The woman who thought it was a great idea to get knocked up by a complete loser. That’s who.
I don’t see deadbeat moms. I see women being deadbeats when it comes to birth control. There are more than enough stats to show how kids raised in single mom households are the future criminals and how they struggle to make much of themselves. Who chose that? Why, the one who can become pregnant of course. They care so little for their future off spring they don’t bother to make sure they’re not being impregnated by a complete turd. Then you want to move the responsibility to men who cannot get pregnant.
None the less all these people making babies out of wedlock are stupid. They guys are dumb because they care little about their financial future. They also care little what kind of dope would let them knock her up.
As if these women don’t know exactly what kind of losers most of these guys are before they let them get them impregnate them.
So there’s some perspectives for you to think about.
If you get knocked up by a turd of a human being, guess whose fault that. Yours. Not the guys. It would be your fault knowing you can get knocked up and he can’t.
To women, most of them anyway, having babies is the most important thing in the world. There are no mistakes in this game. No accidents. Or will you tell me of the like 0.00001% of women who get knocked up on the pill. The good ole immaculate conception.
See it this way; Because of what I was exposed to growing up, my standards are too high for most males around me to even be considered for sex, and I'm well educated on it. But that is a luxury most people don't have in poor communities with underfunded schools, crappy doctors in crappy hospitals, and no sexual education. Schools in red states without sex ed even have higher rates of teenage pregnancies, which lead to the outcome we're speaking about now. Having moved around so often and been exposed to those kind of communities, I've seen firsthand how these kind of communities are set up for failure. With as many fatherless homes as there already are, especially in poorer communities, the men and women are raised seeing their mothers raise their kids alone. They believe it is the norm, and the music promoted in said communities prompts the males to have sex with and dispose of the women they encounter. Those are the role models they're given, and those are the kind of movies they have representing them; it is all they know. there's so much more to that but i can only type so much. But for them, its far bigger than the blame being on the man or the woman.
In any other case, blame both. They're both stupid for putting their pleasure before logic but in today's world that is literally the new norm. Unfortunately. In the 7-12 months the woman is pregnant, the male can get multiple other women pregnant. To be that selfish and irresponsible and not get a vasectomy when you know you will be very sexually active without protection is plain ignorance. and to blame the outcome on the other person rather than being a man about it? repulsive.
1. No one by the time they are able to reproduce is under the assumption that storks drop babies off on the front door step. By that age everyone knows how babies are made and how to prevent pregnancy, so blaming lack of sex Ed etc is silly.
2. You mention red states. You do know that fatherlessness an epidemic in black communities, and blacks by stats have the highest number of single mothers of any race. You are also aware that blacks predominantly vote Democrat. Your attempt to take a stab at red states is invalid.
The bottom line is women need to stop getting knocked up out of wedlock and need to stop letting losers impregnate them and need to start using birth control.
@Exterminatore Excellent post! This epidemic of single mothers is killing our country. Single mothers raise weak men and whoring women, which has badly damaged society.
Now we have "men" who don't know which bathroom to use, don't know which gender they fucking are, and women who perpetuate the single mother "baby momma drama". Something has to change.
@Exterminatore See, its like you only see what you want to see. I'm gonna break it down into two parts due to the character cap. This is part one of my reply to you, okay?
I don't care for either red or blue states. I stated a fact. The majority of states that don't allow sex-ed in school are red states. Their only teachings of sex is "abstinence", not how to have it safely. Those states have the highest rates of teen pregnancy because they know how to have sex, everyone does. Porn is readily available. But safe sex isn't talked about and is prohibited. There are literally people who believe you can't get pregnant in doggy style or on your period.
Respectfully sir, again, about me 'taking a dig' at red states; I don't care for it. I really don't give a shit about political parties. The left wing and the right wing are two wings of the same bird and you caring this much about the one you identify with is alarming. I stated a fact, and it's easier to say that than name the states individually.
And I literally mentioned the poorer communities being underfunded and the people of those communities being set up for the failure of "baby mama" and "baby daddy" culture. If you actually read my previous message to understand rather than argue, you'd get what I was saying.
@Exterminatore Now, this is part two of my reply to you.
Based on your only argument to my valid statement in regard to the irresponsibility of the parties involved being "The bottom line is women need to stop getting knocked up out of wedlock and need to stop letting losers impregnate them and need to start using birth control", I already know it's gonna be too difficult for you to comprehend any future statements made to the topic without trying to argue against it so this is the last I'll say to it; vasectomies are available. Having unprotected sex as a male and don't want a child? Get a damn vasectomy. Painless and reversible, no side effects, as opposed to birth control which is nothing but side effects. Men are so up their ass about 'accountability' when they won't even accept a birth control made for them because of all the side effects it has. The same exact side effects women get from their birth control. Like a bunch of little bitches.
And to the black men you're referring to, who do you think makes up the poorer communities I was speaking about in my first comment?
"I'm well educated on it. But that is a luxury most people don't have in poor communities with underfunded schools, crappy doctors in crappy hospitals, and no sexual education... With as many fatherless homes as there already are, especially in poorer communities, the men and women are raised seeing their mothers raise their kids alone. They believe it is the norm, and the music promoted in said communities prompts the males to have sex with and dispose of the women they encounter. Those are the role models they're given, and those are the kind of movies they have representing them; it is all they know." WHO do you think i was referring to? The same black men/democratic black men you're speaking about.
The causes of this kind of division in the black community is far more than I can even list but i will in the third reply; this word capacity is kicking my ass.
Again. Men can’t get pregnant. Not willing to discuss vasectomies. I’m only willing to discuss the only sex who can get pregnant not getting pregnant by losers and out of wedlock.
You keep wanting to put this back on men, but again men can’t get pregnant.
They are 2 wings of the same bird, however I loathe neoliberalism, work culture and identity politics. I will vote for candidates who oppose those things and that happens to be the Republicans.
@Exterminatore PART THREE and my apologies for the lengthy reply. So much to speak about yet so little space.
but these are some of the many causes of poorer communities current outcome;
1. The music being promoted. Labels don't allow artists with big exposure to rap about anything empowering or smart. Tupac and Ice Cube both spoke on this. The music that was being promoted pushed the black men to impregnate and discard their women, to choose the lighter toned women of their race because they're closer to whiteness, deal drugs and kill each other. People are looking up to and entertaining celebrities like BlueFace, Future, Nick Cannon, Offset. Men with multiple baby mamas and no regard for the health or sanctity of their women; men who cheat. These are their role models.
2. The people representing them. Until recently, there has been limited role models in the black community. Unless you're a talk show host, a comedian, a pro-league sports member or a rapper. Those are the role models they are given, which is the point of the black community having asked for representation in shows, which some whites are so against for some reason but the shows the black community has representing them has kids growing up thinking they're gonna be the next Future, rather than an occupation that'll allow them to contribute to society. They have drug dealings, violence against one another, disarray and chaos, the movies teach them to fear and hate the police, and the lack of representation in other kinds of movies have black children growing up thinking that's all they can ever achieve and they can only do it in illegal ways, where their fathers are absent because the father is in jail or "went to get milk". Full on shows representing black people doing everything right and dying while the gangbangers keep living. That is what is promoted.
"Not willing to discuss" the topic of vasectomies is the definition of you being willfully ignorant in order to be stuck in your ways, rather than educating yourself. Men are the only ones who can impregnate women, and when you can impregnate multiple women at a time and want to continue having unprotected sex, get a fucking vasectomy. Both parties are to blame for their disregard. I'm not putting anything "back on men" i am again, stating a fact. Both parties have ways to prevent pregnancy yet neither are doing it. Both are to blame.
And good for you, I don't care about your political standpoint but it's great that it aligns with your morals and gives you a sense of identity.
Exactly right. Single moms and their bastard children are a good measure to blame for many of the problems in America.
We have few men but many males. How will a boy learn to be a man from his mother who is a woman? The answer is he won’t.
They do tend to raise weak willed children who are tomorrows whores and criminals. There is no discipline in the home because having a baby RIGHT NOW was all that mattered. Wasn’t important to make sure they didn’t get knocked up by a total turd and wasn’t important to do it in the stability of wedlock.
Then we have Lilith here who wants to pretend people don’t know about pregnancy and how to prevent it. I mean, for crying out loud, Planed Parenthood gives away free birth control. FREE! However it’s only worth a crap if people use it. Undisciplined people don’t like condoms. They don’t feel as good. They’d rather take their chances getting the clap or knocking someone up. Then we have the women, many of whom are all to eager to let the biggest loser they can find shoot his load in their vagina. Why? Cause losers are exciting to them. They’re unreliable. Unpredictable. Why it’s just a big ole emotional roller coaster which they so dearly love. Women don’t want to watch soap operas, they want to live them. The result is millions of bastard children running around doing all manner of things and no one in the home to kick their asses.
….. and yet women like lileth here want to find a way to blame men for it when men can’t even get pregnant.
@Exterminatore I find that I have to repeat myself and that you aren't open to having an actual conversation of the matter. Either you're retarded, you lack comprehension skills, or you simply want to think it is an attack on males. Your assumption and generalization of women is just as retarded if not more, and makes zero sense. The lack of accountability is astonishing and ironic since that's something you claim only women struggle with. It is pure ignorance. I certainly cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Have the day or night you deserve.
I think I made my point clearly. It’s you who doesn’t understand. Men can’t get pregnant. Period. Who to blame for getting pregnant then? Women. Period. Amen.
@Exterminatore And i made my point just as clear; women don't get themselves pregnant. men get women pregnant. I'm sure you're capable of learning how the impregnation process works. it takes two.
You keep missing the point. I understand that women don’t get themselves pregnant. Since only they can get pregnant it’s up to them to make sure they don’t when they don’t intend to get pregnant.
If I’m hypothetically allergic to apples, and you are not, whose responsibility is it to ensure I don’t eat an apple? Mine or yours? It would be mine, because I’m the one allergic, not you.
I understand men get women pregnant. No guy can get a girl pregnant who doesn’t want to be pregnant. If she’s using birth control, be it the pill or an IUD or Norplant or whatever, I can want to get her pregnant all I want. The bottom line is it won’t happen. She made a choice. I’m not saying dumb ass guys don’t play a roll. I am saying, the ultimate responsibility is on the woman. Only she can get pregnant. The ones who are getting pregnant are the ones who want to be pregnant.
@Exterminatore the comparison isn’t valid and neither is your point. If the sole responsibility was on the mother then child support wouldn’t be a thing. They are both directly responsible.
Get a vasectomy. The ones who are getting girls pregnant are the ones who think women are only for sex and the weight of everything else should be on the woman.
It’s funny to me when men complain that women in the west don’t treat them well, but when they have a woman that puts her whole heart and soul into trying to please her man, he cheats on her or dumps her to go be with some cheating, self-centered thot.
Yuuuup. There are shitty people everywhere in every gender. I do think there are a lot of women who have been trained to hate men. There are also a lot of hateable men. 🤷♂️ For the most part, women’s resentment didn’t come out if nowhere, even if it is intentionally amplified, generalized, and misdirected.
Actually if you look at eastern culture, especially the middle east. the women are more likely to hate the men there, then here, in the west. look at how the men are treating the women there in the east, and have for a LONG time
I see you chose MHO quite quickly. Care to explain?
Women in the west aren't "trained" to do anything unless it's for a job. They are free to choose what they do, who they like, and to not put up with misogynistic fucks who think they are either objects or only there to serve men. The "men" who still believe women are meant to be subservient are little bitch boys who do not deserve to be called men, and are probably incels to boot.
Yes, their minds are polluted and sick from anti-Civilization propaganda from leftists who want to destroy Western culture and pervert the relationships between men and women.
Never marry Western women. Find a bride from one of the countries where women are still sane like in Asia... and bring them to the West where they are begging to come to restore sanity to Western culture.
No one "trained" me to do anything. This is ridiculous. If women are repulsed by you, or even if you just think they are, then the issue lies with you, and a little self-examination is probably called for.
@Haraklus And if you think you know anything at all about me, you're lying to yourself. I am not "naïve"; I know what manipulation looks like when I come across it, and it's easy enough to avoid if one has any amount of common sense and wasn't born yesterday.
You missed the point by a mile. This isn't just about you. This is about western women in general. The western government and business owners are known for manipulating popular opinion. Saying it's ridiculous without explaining why then gaslighting the reader by changing the topic to criticize them just dodges the question entirely and basically validates the question.
@GenderEqualityMyth Well, here is why it's ridiculous; we're not all the same, we're individuals, free to make choices that aren't predetermined by anyone's "programming". We're not robots you know, not computers. Everyone can make choices in life that will either be good or bad, beneficial or detrimental to their continued existence on this earth, and no amount of advertising, whether overt or covert, can alter that basic fact. People - irresponsible people - like to complain that they "had no choice" when they inevitably screw up, but that's bollocks! People need to accept FULL responsibility for the decisions that only THEY can make, and end all of this nonsense about "being trained" or "programmed" or whatever other silly analogies they make to cover their failures.
You missed the point again. It's not literal programming. It's just a metaphor for being raised. I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your comment. You're completely committed towards dodging the topic and trying so hard to sound like a rebel.
@GenderEqualityMyth Committed to dodging the topic? How? Why would I do that? You know, you could communicate far more effectively if people such as yourself and the asker of this question refrained from employing stupid metaphors in the first place. Just say what you mean, be blunt and to the point, and then there won't be any confusion.
@GenderEqualityMyth As pointless as this may be, I was actually talking to you, but clearly you don't seem capable of processing information. I guess your CPU is malfunctioning again :P
@GenderEqualityMyth nothing needs to be manipulated, it’s quite literally just an awareness of the bare minimum and shitty effort makes put into relationships but they expect to have it all from a woman
Really? I don't know, I have never met any western girl in person. As an Asian guy I have good opinion about white western girls. I think western girls are cool. I love their nice behaviour. If they rude and arrogant then I have to change my opinion about them.
I was taught from a young age to fear men. It’s pretty valid! We never know what kind of man is standing in front of us and have always been a victim of patriarchal society.
@DarkLegacy not of everything, just of males. Directly males. Historically, mass androcides (that ironically males committed against themselves) led to this misdirected rage towards women, and a patriarchal society that dehumanizes and belittles women. You males are unified in your hate towards women so much so that we are the butt of most jokes. And any denial of that fact would be ignorant.
They are certainly trained to ravenously consume what men produce. The real problem with western women is how completely ungrateful and clueless they are. Without men, women would last about 48 hours.
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If you don't know who you are in life and if you are a follower you can train yourself to do anything but the end result is it's your choice on who and what you want to be in this world and what you think and what you don't think you are the only person on the inside of you that can do this but if you're lazy you will follow and become just like the person who told you
first of all kudos for raising the topic when people tell you that is nonsense and people censor nonsense.
the news media repeats many times per day, day after day about toxic males and chauvinistic stories so without even deciding, still the propaganda is already inside most men and women.
Women only hate shitty men. So don't be a shitty man. Super simple.
I get hostile reactions just by looking at them for 5 seconds.
5 seconds is a long time
I'll be a shitty man then with pride
Good luck with that
5 seconds of what excuse me what are you from Brooklyn what's wrong with you?
Yes asker, i know, women are so hostile these days
@Smashingdoozy no it is not, women who hate on men for looking at them have problems
@DarkLegacy no they don't. Staring is fucking rude.
@Smashingdoozy you are fucking rude and staring could be a result of a medical problem or learning disability. Trust a so called equality zoomer/millennial to discriminate against the disabled. And staring is not shitty in any case.
@DarkLegacy are you disabled? No. So don't oogle at women like their a piece of meat.
No i have Autism and people with it stare as do people with Epilepsy, narcolepsy and Dementia.
And for the record it is mans right to oogle women
@DarkLegacy no it fucking isn't. That is why women hate you.
@DarkLegacy exactly. its just a matter whether the girl is a bitch or not. These types are the are type to falsely accuse you of sexual harassment and send the cops after you. devil forbid any man marries such a female.
@Smashingdoozy Women do not hate m and they don't hate men who stare at them. You have issues my dear, and it is my right to, last time i checked no law had been past stating i was not allowed to get off on a woman or stare at them.
@DarkLegacy as a woman it makes me incredibly uncomfortable when a man stares at me in a way which is clearly not day dreaming. It is not your "right" to. just because it's not illegal doesn't mean you have the right to do something, the way you're saying it is like you are owed it. You are not. If a woman seems uncomfortable with you staring at her then stop. It is also actually illegal to "get off on a woman" that would imply you are masturbating on her which is sexual harassment. WHY would you not care that you're making someone uncomfortable? Wouldn't you rather women see you in a positive romantic light rather than just another man trying to get in her? Because when you stare THAT is all we are thinking you want, to fuck and that's it. It's unattractive.
Why the fuck should i care, and i will do what the fuck i like. You feeling uncomfortable is your problem, im sick and fucking tired of women thinking that men should adjust just to make them very comfortable. Typical snowflake, feminist mentality.
@DarkLegacy good luck getting any woman to stick around 😺
You are the one who should be avoided
@DarkLegacy 5 seconds is LONG ass time to stare at a stranger while that stranger is aware of it. Be normal and look away after 2 seconds of them noticing you, unless you two are vibin or something
@Haraklus The very last thing that is needed is a white knight, and i shall exercise my right to stare, this is just retarded millennial snowflake crap.
You sound like one of those people who wave their arms in the air and scream: "my photons, my photons!"
You do not own people's eyes and if you don't want to be stared at then stay out of public. Imagine being so frail someone's staring at you bothers you, if women stare at me do you think I give a fuck?
You do not have a right to privacy in public and people can look wherever they want. Grow up.
@Juxtapose "my photons, my photons!"
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@Juxtapose Very good comment, the height of feminazi dictatorship. Trying to control where we look and what we think
Haha thanks fellas 👍
@DarkLegacy nobody is trying to control where you look. I made my point very clear. You aren't going to get anything from a woman if you oogle her in public so why bother?
You're going to stare, she is going to notice you staring, she's going to get uncomfortable, give you a weird look and walk away fast. Then you're going to think she's a bitch because how dare she not come running over and faint into your arms over your intense charm. Then you have achieved absolutely nothing except make yourself angry from your own actions.
You know what is actually attractive? A guy staring, noticing I noticed, then he genuinely smiles at me and looks away! Showing he isn't a threat to me!
@Smashingdoozy lol at you saying it is illegal to get off on women, sorry but it is not a crime to think something. You do need to grow up, no woman has ever done that to me for staring at them, and i tend to stare at every person i see. You do live in a cloud of delusion, perhaps you would like to live in a bubble so you feel nice and safe from all the nasty, bad men.
@Juxtapose lol at that photons comment
@DarkLegacy lol at you being incapable of comprehension.
@DarkLegacy that’s gross as fuck to even defend.
@lilithscandle Sorry what is gross as fuck to defend, you are behaving like a silly girl, getting off on someone else is not gross, it is natural. Wow, feminists have really work on you
@DarkLegacy
Getting off on the idea of someone is not gross.
Getting off on someone is gross and illegal if you do not have their consent.
There is a major difference in the language there. Comprehension.
You cannot control how someone feels and feeling or thinking something is not a crime. Grow up
@DarkLegacy where did I say it was?
You said above it is illegal to get off on a woman
@DarkLegacy read it again. Slowly.
I just read it before i replied back
@DarkLegacy clearly you didn't read it properly.
Yes i did, you also said it was harassment which it is not
@DarkLegacy "Getting off on the idea of someone is not gross.
Getting off on someone is gross and illegal if you do not have their consent."
Yes i know and it is not illegal
@DarkLegacy pissing is normal, does that mean people should be allowed to urinate for the public to watch? No. The behavior you are describing is perverted and implies that the random men staring at women for longer than 5 seconds in public is doing so to get off on the idea of them, and that in itself is gross.
Either you’re a troll or just plain retarded.
@DarkLegacy pissing is normal, does that mean people should be allowed to urinate for the public to watch? No. The behavior you are describing is perverted and implies that the random men staring at women for longer than 5 seconds in public is doing so to get off on the idea of them, and that in itself is gross. It displays a lack of self control, which is weak. Pure weakness.
Either you’re a troll or just plain retarded.
@lilithscandle It is normal and is ingrained in our biology, you are retarded. Stupid feminist comment. Who on Earth decides how long is acceptable, grow up and stop being offensive just because i won't be dictated by some snowflake feminist. I will look where the fuck i like and for how long i like and will think what i like and no dictating man bashing snowflake feminist is going to tell me otherwise.
@DarkLegacy lol they really compare people staring at them to people pissing in front of them.
@Juxtapose Yes i know they are pathetic
@DarkLegacy saying getting off on someone is implying you are physically masturbating on them THAT is illegal. I'm correcting your language.
You are just changing tack because your argument has been pulled apart
@DarkLegacy I literally said it further up in the conversation.
I know everything you said and it is ridiculous.
@DarkLegacy you've hardly pulled my argument apart. You're just being an angry incompetent incel anyone with more than 2 brain cells can see that.
Typical modern female resorting to insults when she cannot win. Grow up like the other feminazi
@Juxtapose your comprehension skills are quite pathetic. It is an analogy to the “it is natural” statement. Please think critically next time.
@DarkLegacy your ignorance is showing, perhaps I’ll stop debating with autistic people. Especially misogynistic ones. Have the day you deserve.
@lilithscandle knw it you hate on Autistic people which makes you worse then anyone on the planet
@lilithscandle You are worse then any misogynist and perv
@DarkLegacy? Emotional much?
I have no hate nor any care for things that aren’t in a person’s control. i said I choose not to argue with an autistic person because I’m aware that autistic people commonly have the issue of discerning different social cues. Some don’t know what is appropriate and what isn’t. It’s kind of mean go back and forth with you knowing that, and it’s also frustrating trying to get you to understand the point.
I do, however, hate misogynists (hate is a strong word and I don’t care enough about misogynistic people I just stay away from them). So again.
Have the day you deserve.
@lilithscandle You have only pestered me since you set up this account and you clearly care enough to hate
@DarkLegacy this is the funniest reply you’ve given me, thank you babes
@lilithscandle I never even spoke to you to begin with, you are just a troll account
@DarkLegacy I was literally just responding to your comments and even gave an analogy to show you how careless your statement was. It is not my fault that you’re under almost every comment, love. Apologies if you feel targeted. And no, I don’t care enough to hate.
It would be ignorant to dislike someone because they are autistic. The best thing to do is find a way for both parties to communicate effectively or not communicate at all.
@lilithscandle no you are a moron if you think looking at someone is anywhere remotely the same as pissing in front of them. That's a false equivalency.
@Juxtapose in the way you phrased it, it is. But that isn’t what I’m speaking about. It is the moral equivalency of the nature of doing what is considered “normal”.
The person I replied to with the analogy was speaking about getting off on women while staring at them in public for however long they want because it is “biologically embedded in men”. So I responded with the analogy of peeing in public. That is natural and biologically imbedded too. And in fact, the only way the two are not even comparable is you can’t control your pee if you really gotta go, but you can control your actions towards others, especially in regards to getting off on them.
It is perverted and inappropriate.
You cannot trust past my eyes no matter how much you wish otherwise.
*trespass my eyes
@Juxtapose they think that a guy thinking something when he looks at a woman is a crime lol
@DarkLegacy you literally insulted me first 🥴🥴
I never said you insulted me but you did insult men first
@DarkLegacy didn't know we were categorising insults 🥴💀
@DarkLegacy no, just perverted
Think so, I wouldn't say trained, but brainwashed. Some of those influencers who give bad advice sadly have many many followers. And the things they say, it makes me laugh at the start, but then you realize how many people actually do what she suggests you should do, and then it gets sad real quick.
yikes.
Yeah, it's bad.
And sometimes there are update videos on them being single and feeling miserable. Which is a sign towards the followers that whatever they were preaching obviously didn't work. But those influencers still don't know what they did wrong. By the time that update video comes, the damage has probably been done to many individuals.
Most women I run into in every day life tend to like me... Obviously some women buy into socialist ideas like feminism and are brainwashed into hating men. Luckily socialists don't have much of a foothold in Florida. They are more concentrated in Democrat run states that are thousands of miles away.
yes. the thing is its spreading to the rest of the world too. also this is lwading to more and more men hating women. as well this is a lot more of what causes domestic disputes than the so called patriarchy that modern feminists claim causes domestic issues, and this teaching is done by (gasp) modern feminists.
Not "trained" per se, more so brainwashed. Tiktok is getting worse with this stuff, there's more and more women growing up in broken homes, therefore hating men in general because they did not have a father and every single new show you see out there, especially if it has teenagers, also includes negative perspectives of men.
@jeffend888 Tik Thot is basically soft porn.
So they hate men for not having fathers present, not mothers for them letting complete losers put their penis in them and knock them up. Only women can get preggers, so I have to ask…. is there no disdain for women who let total losers impregnate them?
@Exterminatore Excellent point, but you are talking about "accountability", which is the female kryptonite.
@Kraken
We know that. Women in America do not believe in accountability. The last one who was made to apologize for anything ended up on life support 30 seconds later.
@Exterminatore Ha! Six words not in the female vocabulary "I'm sorry and I was wrong".
😂😂😂
@KrakenAttackin maybe YOUR tiktok is soft porn 😂 you do realize it’s based on what you engage with, right? My wife’s is all aesthetic nature and cookjng videos, mine is half gen z memes and half gay women talking about which water bottles they like (i have to admit the latter confuses me, too)
@Exterminatore it’s ironic you say this because deadbeats are so common that the women who request child support are ridiculed now. They’re so common that women who men dont like are insulted by being called fatherless but the father never is held accountable. Just the women being blamed for “trying to baby trap” or take the males money. And the women who got pregnant are shit on by red pill podcasters with millions of young boys and misogynistic males following them. Only women can get pregnant, yes. And only males can impregnate them. And you don’t commonly see women being deadbeat moms. They work and take care of their kids, and because most baby mothers come from such poor areas, they have little to no support in doing so.
Think about where those perspectives came from and what the reality of it all is.
@lilith
What I see is often women let themselves be impregnated by losers. Then act surprised when he doesn’t stick around and doesn’t financially support his offspring.
You said it yourself. Only women can get pregnant, therefore the responsibility is on them as to who they choose to let impregnate them.
So who do we hold accountable? The woman who thought it was a great idea to get knocked up by a complete loser. That’s who.
I don’t see deadbeat moms. I see women being deadbeats when it comes to birth control. There are more than enough stats to show how kids raised in single mom households are the future criminals and how they struggle to make much of themselves. Who chose that? Why, the one who can become pregnant of course. They care so little for their future off spring they don’t bother to make sure they’re not being impregnated by a complete turd. Then you want to move the responsibility to men who cannot get pregnant.
None the less all these people making babies out of wedlock are stupid. They guys are dumb because they care little about their financial future. They also care little what kind of dope would let them knock her up.
As if these women don’t know exactly what kind of losers most of these guys are before they let them get them impregnate them.
So there’s some perspectives for you to think about.
If you get knocked up by a turd of a human being, guess whose fault that. Yours. Not the guys. It would be your fault knowing you can get knocked up and he can’t.
To women, most of them anyway, having babies is the most important thing in the world. There are no mistakes in this game. No accidents. Or will you tell me of the like 0.00001% of women who get knocked up on the pill. The good ole immaculate conception.
@Exterminatore
See it this way; Because of what I was exposed to growing up, my standards are too high for most males around me to even be considered for sex, and I'm well educated on it. But that is a luxury most people don't have in poor communities with underfunded schools, crappy doctors in crappy hospitals, and no sexual education. Schools in red states without sex ed even have higher rates of teenage pregnancies, which lead to the outcome we're speaking about now. Having moved around so often and been exposed to those kind of communities, I've seen firsthand how these kind of communities are set up for failure. With as many fatherless homes as there already are, especially in poorer communities, the men and women are raised seeing their mothers raise their kids alone. They believe it is the norm, and the music promoted in said communities prompts the males to have sex with and dispose of the women they encounter. Those are the role models they're given, and those are the kind of movies they have representing them; it is all they know. there's so much more to that but i can only type so much. But for them, its far bigger than the blame being on the man or the woman.
In any other case, blame both. They're both stupid for putting their pleasure before logic but in today's world that is literally the new norm. Unfortunately. In the 7-12 months the woman is pregnant, the male can get multiple other women pregnant. To be that selfish and irresponsible and not get a vasectomy when you know you will be very sexually active without protection is plain ignorance. and to blame the outcome on the other person rather than being a man about it? repulsive.
@illth
2 things.
1. No one by the time they are able to reproduce is under the assumption that storks drop babies off on the front door step. By that age everyone knows how babies are made and how to prevent pregnancy, so blaming lack of sex Ed etc is silly.
2. You mention red states. You do know that fatherlessness an epidemic in black communities, and blacks by stats have the highest number of single mothers of any race. You are also aware that blacks predominantly vote Democrat. Your attempt to take a stab at red states is invalid.
The bottom line is women need to stop getting knocked up out of wedlock and need to stop letting losers impregnate them and need to start using birth control.
@Exterminatore Excellent post! This epidemic of single mothers is killing our country. Single mothers raise weak men and whoring women, which has badly damaged society.
Now we have "men" who don't know which bathroom to use, don't know which gender they fucking are, and women who perpetuate the single mother "baby momma drama". Something has to change.
@Exterminatore See, its like you only see what you want to see. I'm gonna break it down into two parts due to the character cap. This is part one of my reply to you, okay?
I don't care for either red or blue states. I stated a fact. The majority of states that don't allow sex-ed in school are red states. Their only teachings of sex is "abstinence", not how to have it safely. Those states have the highest rates of teen pregnancy because they know how to have sex, everyone does. Porn is readily available. But safe sex isn't talked about and is prohibited. There are literally people who believe you can't get pregnant in doggy style or on your period.
Respectfully sir, again, about me 'taking a dig' at red states; I don't care for it. I really don't give a shit about political parties. The left wing and the right wing are two wings of the same bird and you caring this much about the one you identify with is alarming. I stated a fact, and it's easier to say that than name the states individually.
And I literally mentioned the poorer communities being underfunded and the people of those communities being set up for the failure of "baby mama" and "baby daddy" culture. If you actually read my previous message to understand rather than argue, you'd get what I was saying.
@Exterminatore Now, this is part two of my reply to you.
Based on your only argument to my valid statement in regard to the irresponsibility of the parties involved being "The bottom line is women need to stop getting knocked up out of wedlock and need to stop letting losers impregnate them and need to start using birth control", I already know it's gonna be too difficult for you to comprehend any future statements made to the topic without trying to argue against it so this is the last I'll say to it; vasectomies are available. Having unprotected sex as a male and don't want a child? Get a damn vasectomy. Painless and reversible, no side effects, as opposed to birth control which is nothing but side effects. Men are so up their ass about 'accountability' when they won't even accept a birth control made for them because of all the side effects it has. The same exact side effects women get from their birth control. Like a bunch of little bitches.
And to the black men you're referring to, who do you think makes up the poorer communities I was speaking about in my first comment?
"I'm well educated on it. But that is a luxury most people don't have in poor communities with underfunded schools, crappy doctors in crappy hospitals, and no sexual education... With as many fatherless homes as there already are, especially in poorer communities, the men and women are raised seeing their mothers raise their kids alone. They believe it is the norm, and the music promoted in said communities prompts the males to have sex with and dispose of the women they encounter. Those are the role models they're given, and those are the kind of movies they have representing them; it is all they know." WHO do you think i was referring to? The same black men/democratic black men you're speaking about.
The causes of this kind of division in the black community is far more than I can even list but i will in the third reply; this word capacity is kicking my ass.
@lileth
Again. Men can’t get pregnant. Not willing to discuss vasectomies. I’m only willing to discuss the only sex who can get pregnant not getting pregnant by losers and out of wedlock.
You keep wanting to put this back on men, but again men can’t get pregnant.
They are 2 wings of the same bird, however I loathe neoliberalism, work culture and identity politics. I will vote for candidates who oppose those things and that happens to be the Republicans.
@Exterminatore PART THREE and my apologies for the lengthy reply. So much to speak about yet so little space.
but these are some of the many causes of poorer communities current outcome;
1. The music being promoted. Labels don't allow artists with big exposure to rap about anything empowering or smart. Tupac and Ice Cube both spoke on this. The music that was being promoted pushed the black men to impregnate and discard their women, to choose the lighter toned women of their race because they're closer to whiteness, deal drugs and kill each other. People are looking up to and entertaining celebrities like BlueFace, Future, Nick Cannon, Offset. Men with multiple baby mamas and no regard for the health or sanctity of their women; men who cheat. These are their role models.
2. The people representing them. Until recently, there has been limited role models in the black community. Unless you're a talk show host, a comedian, a pro-league sports member or a rapper. Those are the role models they are given, which is the point of the black community having asked for representation in shows, which some whites are so against for some reason but the shows the black community has representing them has kids growing up thinking they're gonna be the next Future, rather than an occupation that'll allow them to contribute to society. They have drug dealings, violence against one another, disarray and chaos, the movies teach them to fear and hate the police, and the lack of representation in other kinds of movies have black children growing up thinking that's all they can ever achieve and they can only do it in illegal ways, where their fathers are absent because the father is in jail or "went to get milk". Full on shows representing black people doing everything right and dying while the gangbangers keep living. That is what is promoted.
@Exterminatore
"Not willing to discuss" the topic of vasectomies is the definition of you being willfully ignorant in order to be stuck in your ways, rather than educating yourself. Men are the only ones who can impregnate women, and when you can impregnate multiple women at a time and want to continue having unprotected sex, get a fucking vasectomy. Both parties are to blame for their disregard. I'm not putting anything "back on men" i am again, stating a fact. Both parties have ways to prevent pregnancy yet neither are doing it. Both are to blame.
And good for you, I don't care about your political standpoint but it's great that it aligns with your morals and gives you a sense of identity.
@Kraken
Exactly right. Single moms and their bastard children are a good measure to blame for many of the problems in America.
We have few men but many males. How will a boy learn to be a man from his mother who is a woman? The answer is he won’t.
They do tend to raise weak willed children who are tomorrows whores and criminals. There is no discipline in the home because having a baby RIGHT NOW was all that mattered. Wasn’t important to make sure they didn’t get knocked up by a total turd and wasn’t important to do it in the stability of wedlock.
Then we have Lilith here who wants to pretend people don’t know about pregnancy and how to prevent it. I mean, for crying out loud, Planed Parenthood gives away free birth control. FREE! However it’s only worth a crap if people use it. Undisciplined people don’t like condoms. They don’t feel as good. They’d rather take their chances getting the clap or knocking someone up. Then we have the women, many of whom are all to eager to let the biggest loser they can find shoot his load in their vagina. Why? Cause losers are exciting to them. They’re unreliable. Unpredictable. Why it’s just a big ole emotional roller coaster which they so dearly love. Women don’t want to watch soap operas, they want to live them. The result is millions of bastard children running around doing all manner of things and no one in the home to kick their asses.
….. and yet women like lileth here want to find a way to blame men for it when men can’t even get pregnant.
@Exterminatore I find that I have to repeat myself and that you aren't open to having an actual conversation of the matter. Either you're retarded, you lack comprehension skills, or you simply want to think it is an attack on males. Your assumption and generalization of women is just as retarded if not more, and makes zero sense. The lack of accountability is astonishing and ironic since that's something you claim only women struggle with. It is pure ignorance. I certainly cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Have the day or night you deserve.
@lileth
I think I made my point clearly. It’s you who doesn’t understand. Men can’t get pregnant. Period. Who to blame for getting pregnant then? Women. Period. Amen.
@Exterminatore And i made my point just as clear; women don't get themselves pregnant. men get women pregnant. I'm sure you're capable of learning how the impregnation process works. it takes two.
@lilith
You keep missing the point. I understand that women don’t get themselves pregnant. Since only they can get pregnant it’s up to them to make sure they don’t when they don’t intend to get pregnant.
If I’m hypothetically allergic to apples, and you are not, whose responsibility is it to ensure I don’t eat an apple? Mine or yours? It would be mine, because I’m the one allergic, not you.
I understand men get women pregnant. No guy can get a girl pregnant who doesn’t want to be pregnant. If she’s using birth control, be it the pill or an IUD or Norplant or whatever, I can want to get her pregnant all I want. The bottom line is it won’t happen. She made a choice. I’m not saying dumb ass guys don’t play a roll. I am saying, the ultimate responsibility is on the woman. Only she can get pregnant. The ones who are getting pregnant are the ones who want to be pregnant.
@Exterminatore the comparison isn’t valid and neither is your point. If the sole responsibility was on the mother then child support wouldn’t be a thing. They are both directly responsible.
Get a vasectomy. The ones who are getting girls pregnant are the ones who think women are only for sex and the weight of everything else should be on the woman.
It’s funny to me when men complain that women in the west don’t treat them well, but when they have a woman that puts her whole heart and soul into trying to please her man, he cheats on her or dumps her to go be with some cheating, self-centered thot.
The knife cuts both ways!
Yuuuup. There are shitty people everywhere in every gender. I do think there are a lot of women who have been trained to hate men. There are also a lot of hateable men. 🤷♂️ For the most part, women’s resentment didn’t come out if nowhere, even if it is intentionally amplified, generalized, and misdirected.
Actually if you look at eastern culture, especially the middle east. the women are more likely to hate the men there, then here, in the west. look at how the men are treating the women there in the east, and have for a LONG time
I see you chose MHO quite quickly. Care to explain?
Women in the west aren't "trained" to do anything unless it's for a job. They are free to choose what they do, who they like, and to not put up with misogynistic fucks who think they are either objects or only there to serve men. The "men" who still believe women are meant to be subservient are little bitch boys who do not deserve to be called men, and are probably incels to boot.
Oh look a feminist mangina
Yes, their minds are polluted and sick from anti-Civilization propaganda from leftists who want to destroy Western culture and pervert the relationships between men and women.
Never marry Western women. Find a bride from one of the countries where women are still sane like in Asia... and bring them to the West where they are begging to come to restore sanity to Western culture.
No one "trained" me to do anything. This is ridiculous. If women are repulsed by you, or even if you just think they are, then the issue lies with you, and a little self-examination is probably called for.
If you think nobody has trained you to do anything, you are hopelessly naive.
@Haraklus And if you think you know anything at all about me, you're lying to yourself. I am not "naïve"; I know what manipulation looks like when I come across it, and it's easy enough to avoid if one has any amount of common sense and wasn't born yesterday.
You missed the point by a mile. This isn't just about you. This is about western women in general. The western government and business owners are known for manipulating popular opinion. Saying it's ridiculous without explaining why then gaslighting the reader by changing the topic to criticize them just dodges the question entirely and basically validates the question.
@GenderEqualityMyth Well, here is why it's ridiculous; we're not all the same, we're individuals, free to make choices that aren't predetermined by anyone's "programming". We're not robots you know, not computers. Everyone can make choices in life that will either be good or bad, beneficial or detrimental to their continued existence on this earth, and no amount of advertising, whether overt or covert, can alter that basic fact. People - irresponsible people - like to complain that they "had no choice" when they inevitably screw up, but that's bollocks! People need to accept FULL responsibility for the decisions that only THEY can make, and end all of this nonsense about "being trained" or "programmed" or whatever other silly analogies they make to cover their failures.
@Siri137
You missed the point again. It's not literal programming. It's just a metaphor for being raised. I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your comment. You're completely committed towards dodging the topic and trying so hard to sound like a rebel.
@GenderEqualityMyth Committed to dodging the topic? How? Why would I do that? You know, you could communicate far more effectively if people such as yourself and the asker of this question refrained from employing stupid metaphors in the first place. Just say what you mean, be blunt and to the point, and then there won't be any confusion.
@Siri137
You shouldn't talk to yourself in public. Makes you sound lame in the head.
@GenderEqualityMyth As pointless as this may be, I was actually talking to you, but clearly you don't seem capable of processing information. I guess your CPU is malfunctioning again :P
@GenderEqualityMyth nothing needs to be manipulated, it’s quite literally just an awareness of the bare minimum and shitty effort makes put into relationships but they expect to have it all from a woman
Really? I don't know, I have never met any western girl in person. As an Asian guy I have good opinion about white western girls. I think western girls are cool. I love their nice behaviour. If they rude and arrogant then I have to change my opinion about them.
It's all in your head and the internet is the main culprit to you having such idea.
People and women get up everyday trying to survive and make it in life, not going around trying to hate men.
Western men have grown into weak pushovers over the years which made women lose respect for them
Moving to Asia won't solve your problem
Growing a pair and embracing your true self is a better way to get everyone to respect you
There is certainly general disrespect , but be careful which part of Asia you move to , a lot of this hatred is spreading , its so very very obvious.
I think Asia is one of those sanctuaries, where this hatred for men is not as prevalent as in west.
Not As prevalent , but much worse than it was...
I was taught from a young age to fear men. It’s pretty valid! We never know what kind of man is standing in front of us and have always been a victim of patriarchal society.
Cry me a river, you are a victim of everything, all of your comment back up what he says. Another pink anon slating men.
The patriarchal society argument is obsolete. In fact, the reverse is more true these days.
@DarkLegacy not of everything, just of males. Directly males. Historically, mass androcides (that ironically males committed against themselves) led to this misdirected rage towards women, and a patriarchal society that dehumanizes and belittles women. You males are unified in your hate towards women so much so that we are the butt of most jokes. And any denial of that fact would be ignorant.
@lilithscandle It is the other way round and why are you particularly bothering me.
Women aren’t “trained” to hate men anymore than men are “trained” to be attracted to teenage girls.
No, poor relationships with the opposite sex is just often a natural consequence of promiscuity and low quality morals.
They are certainly trained to ravenously consume what men produce. The real problem with western women is how completely ungrateful and clueless they are. Without men, women would last about 48 hours.