Is it true that Western women do not respect their men?

[Gloree]

I heard the Western women control and emasculate the men. And that many western men are now afraid of marrying the women because of of it. How true is this?

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I noticed that the guys agree with the view to some extent but the women are trying to hide or defend it

[shaysh87]

Women do not control or emasculate men. I will explain to you why these guys feel this way. There are a lot of beta males who cannot handle a woman with a good job, has high standards and knows what she wants. You need to understand that when a woman can financially survive very well on her own without a man, she can have higher standards compared to a woman who can't financially survive on her own. Poor women without a career or education cannot afford to be picky because without a man , she can't eat. These high standards and a woman who knows what she wants scares beta males. They see it as controlling or annoying or entitled or too loud.

And I will tell you something about men, especially beta males, they like women THEY CAN CONTROL. Vast majority of beta males tend to like shy, submissive , obedient women , because it makes them feel more confident (than they really are), and fill up their void of masculinity that they do not have. The more beta he is, the more likely he's desperate for submissive obedient woman. Even the thought of a woman having full power to leave him whenever she wants, scares him and makes him feel uncomfortable.

This is why many of these beta males say they want to marry foreign women because they're more obedient, submissive, loyal or the type of woman who takes off his shoes and kisses his feet everyday when he comes home. These "foreign women" tend to be raised in a patriarchal society where women are usually deprived of a college education, no opportunity for a decent career and cannot financially survive on her own. This is why these women tend to cave in more to their husband's demands. You can't argue with the man who feeds you. Its always his needs that comes first , not yours. He doesn't see her as an equal in the relationship.

These guys will never be worth my time for a relationship. I'd rather have my man see me as an equal rather than someone he can control or have power over. I dont want to be the only person serving him my whole life. I would like to be served too by him. I don't want his needs to be prioritized over mine. I don't like to be ordered around on a daily basis to do anything that suits him. I am my own person with my own particular thoughts and feelings.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Ok in just a sense of debate you called a guy beta male and it's not emasculating at all.

The problem is not with the earning but with attitude that is thrown with that a sense of superiority...

Like if a man gets rich and he will spend the money on women and if a women earns money she thinks she doesn't need a man.

And no matter how much you earn women tend to go for with guys that earn more than them or not at least equal.

But men tend to go for women who could show them love more than money...

The women who earn a fair amount feel that they have achieved something that other women didn't they put them down and other males as well

nd foreign women you talk about maybe they are raised in patriarchal society agreed yes but even they earn on their own like not may be well paid job but they do work on side and that's enough to fulfill their needs.

I have never seen a women kissing a man's feet lol if not a sexual act.

It's all about competition now a days

Lol and yeh women who are alpha women lol like to be dominated in bed to fill their void of femininity of being submissive

Earning women who are paid well are same they want to control men they are no different from egoistic males lol.

And alpha makes as per you while labeling don't give fuck about what women earns they are the once controlling women that's why they are the alphas lol 😆.

Beta men are mostly supportive of their women or either dependent on them..

[shaysh87]

@Aakash_Hangargi

[The problem is not with the earning but with attitude that is thrown with that a sense of superiority...

Like if a man gets rich and he will spend the money on women and if a women earns money she thinks she doesn't need a man.]

This is not the way women think. This is the way YOU think. YOU are the one who FEELS USELESS unless you pay for a woman. This has nothing to do with women. Women date men because they fall in love. Just in case you weren't aware that financially stable women can still fall in love too. Vast majority of western women are college educated, hold careers, and still date. Trust me, they don't need your money. They're dating because they're in love.

[And no matter how much you earn women tend to go for with guys that earn more than them or not at least equal. But men tend to go for women who could show them love more than money...]

So what? Guys who earn more money tend to only go for younger women 10-20 years younger than them. so why are you all butt hurt complaining that women go for men who make more money?

[The women who earn a fair amount feel that they have achieved something that other women didn't they put them down and other males as well]

you just made that shit up. If a woman didn't feel like you are worth dating, she will just ignore you. She won't put you down. In fact, you may very well never even get her attention in the first place. You're just a random bum on the street.

[nd foreign women you talk about maybe they are raised in patriarchal society agreed yes but even they earn on their own like not may be well paid job but they do work on side and that's enough to fulfill their needs.]

foreign women can't earn a survivable wage. this is why so many of them are desperate to marry a "rich western man" for a better life. These women have no other reason to marry a man from an entirely different culture and can't even speak her language.

[shaysh87]

[I have never seen a women kissing a man's feet lol if not a sexual act.]

Its an act of worship. Beta males like you hate it when a woman has high standards and doesn't cave in to your needs. You're the type of guy who wants a woman to kiss your feet every time you walk through the door. Western women dont like to be ordered around that way, this is why you hate western women so much.

The problem is not western women, the problem is your lack of masculinity to handle a western woman.

Lol and yeh women who are alpha women lol like to be dominated in bed to fill their void of femininity of being submissive]

you just contradicted yourself right here. why would alpha woman want to feel submissive if she enjoys being dominant?

[Beta men are mostly supportive of their women or either dependent on them..]

Beta males are feminine guys who can't stand the fact that a woman doesn't have to obey his every order, and is threatened when he sees a woman with high standards and can live very well iwthout him.

how do you know if you're a beta male? if you feel easily threatened, then you are a beta male.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Ok no problem I spoke in genric way lol wow that's a bit harsh calling me a beta male or labeling one must stick to topic and not put hate on the people thats discussing it anyways thank you for your thought and men don't feel useless I'd they dont pay women.

And this the exact attitude i am talking about here a little humility that's missing.

Appreciate your comments though thank you for kéeping your thoughts

[RandomGuy1030]

31 and still no ones cared enough about your argumentative ass to date you seriously?

[oatmealisthebest]

I cannot stand females that are doormats. There are quite a few women who want their man to essentially be their caregiver. I like a relationship that's 50/50. The women I date are independent women (assertive but not aggressive, and open minded as I am with them) or "powerful women" however you want to characterize it. I find that it's most pleasant if there's mutual respect, and we both bring something to the table to make each other better. It's a relationship, not an ownership. It is an exchange of personas, experiences, and ideally love. Sometimes she may be in charge and decide what she wants me to do, or talks to me about her boundaries, etc... Sometimes I decide what we should do, set healthy boundaries/communication, etc... But at the end of the day, I still fuck her brains out, we cuddle, sleep, and then go pursue our individual dreams the next day (yes I have a girlfriend I'm referring to and we live together). We respect each other, and nobody is dominant because both our voices and opinions get heard by the other. And if they aren't, we sit down and discuss how to communicate effectively so we both feel heard. I. e. what can I do to make you feel heard/considered?

Physically though, I'm more dominant, if she feels threatened by someone she looks to me to get her out of the situation, because I'm quite a bit more intimidating and assertive. Though, she is not afraid of me because I would never try to intimidate my significant other. And if a girl doesn't leave me alone, she'd do the same for me. I don't believe in one person being dominant, and if she started trying to boss me around, or I started bossing her around, the relationship would abruptly end. I don't know if this gave you any helpful insight, but thats my two cents. Let me know what you think, love to hear your input

[shaysh87]

@RandomGuy1030

Single women can have their own kids and family. Single men can’t. I don’t need a man

[shaysh87]

@Aakash_Hangargi

Do you realize women shaming and constantly blaming women , not taking responsibility over your own actions is highly unattractive to women?

Maybe fix your personality so you will have less to complain about

[RandomGuy1030]

Why would ANY sane man/ruler/king commit to someone who "doesn't need them".

[dmschlom]

Is it really about control? Or is it about men having emotional needs, and the supposedly "submissive" women are ones who go all out satisfying a man's emotional needs, because why not? While the so-called feminist empowered women are cold and keep a man at arm's length. Because she won't fully satisfy a man's emotional needs so long as the system tells her not to.

Except, she's intimidated by the system or intimidated by feminism, and being weak.

Now it's true a man might respond to not having his emotional -- and sexual -- needs met by being controlling. But I think control is not the underlying motive. The underlying motive is the hurt that is caused by a woman taught to express a certain kind of indifference and not caring. And then he feels that if she had less money, she'd care more.

Except, what is WRONG with a man having that emotional response? To a woman who is refusing to fully embrace a close emotional attachment? And is treating the man in the relationship as a kind of rival?

Also, why do you need a man to see you as an equal? Because you are a conformist girl and "the feminist peer group" has veto power and control over your relationship and you are being loyal to THEM and their APPROVAL of you. It's not HIS NEEDS that you cater to, but what "the feminist girls" will think of you or say of you.

Except, THAT is what's really weak? You don't have to be with a man, but if you choose to be with one, you should do it right. It's not weak to choose to fully meet a man's emotional needs -- who you CHOSE to be in a relationship with. It's weak to feel afraid to do so.

[England4eva]

I’m western and I love men. I have so much respect for the ones employed to take care of us women. Unfortunately, I’ve seen so many cases of women emasculating their men... not to point score or anything, but I’ve equally seen men belittling and berating their women.

I have no other culture I’m educated enough in, to compare with. I always just pressured it was a personality weakness of both sexes. I. e The weak men would accept sh&t from a demanding, vile woman and a weak woman would accept sh&t from a hostile, arrogant guy?

Id be interested to know how other cultures operate on a general basis.

[TonyMetal___86]

Here in the rural villages old men tell their wives that their place is in the kitchen and go make me a sandwich 🤣

[England4eva]

@TonyMetal___86 and the women deliver them a sandwich filled with Brussels sprouts..

[TonyMetal___86]

Haha, salt added 😁
The woman who is married is a wife and if she's a housewife she's the other half of a man which means they are both one person and you understand the rest...

Anyways the kitchen is a lovely place,. i don't mind spending my whole day with a wife in the kitchen eating delicious meals and getting kisses and hugs, a house without a kitchen worth nothing especially for me 🤣🤣

Anyways the tiny king sits on the sink in the giant's kitchen to watch preparing delicious meals 😊

[England4eva]

@TonyMetal___86 Don’t you think the man should ask if his wife will make him a sandwich rather than tell her?

[TonyMetal___86]

What's the difference? I'll ask ofc because i know that she will make it with love from her heart 😁

[England4eva]

@TonyMetal___86 asking is polite and gives the woman respect. A massive difference. A real man will request and not demand ✌️

[TonyMetal___86]

Than i'll request a tiny sandwich from the giant jennie, don't forget to make the tiny king's food with love 😂

[TonyMetal___86]

In return i'll feed the sweet giant a huge grape fruit 😁🍇

[Lionman95]

I´d say sort of but truth to be told the lack of respect is vice versa. Western society has overdone the idea of liberalism that led to a point that a clear definition of what masculinity and what feminity is got lost. Like what is a man? I grew up with a father but one that was the bread winner in the family and one that didn´t go dating in modern terms.
I said the lack of respect is vice versa because western society has destroyed any kind of reasons to commit to a relationship. Like seriously with a concept like friends with benefits the whole necessity of marrying has been heavily reduced because friends with benefits or open relationship give a guy that opportunity to have sex as much as he wants with literally no consequences at his side.
Like 50/60 years ago when you got a woman pregnant you married her, now you ask her to an abortion which gives you the opportunity to move on if you like to.
So women loose their respect and in interest in men.
Besides that there is a growing of guys seem to be helpless but they are often introverted, shy and lack social skills or other personal skills that keep them from success in dating.
So I wouldn´t say that guys are generally intimated but there is a split between guys and women otherwise platforms like this would be unnecessary.

[bamesjond0069]

I mean thats the norm. Not all of us are like that. Some men aren't little girls and aren't afraid to put our women in their place.

Its not the womens fault because women are basically too much of a child to be responsible for their actions. Its the fathers and husbands mainly. If the dad teaches the daughter to walk all over men then thats what she will do. And when these cuck ass men marry women who have zero marriage value it just perpetuates the myth this is ok. But also you have our politicians totally simping for single moms in terms of marriage laws.

Sorry but you could be the most manly of men the way the laws are set up upon marriage your wife now fully controls the entire situation and you are now nothing but a pet. Marriage in a normal country does not equal marriage in the US and some other countries. Thats what i think is so dumb. This "man up and marry its traditional and moral thing to do" but in light of the laws its immoral and the wrong thing to do. It ensures you will most likely divorce.

[Jabberjaw]

Yes and no

It's not a Western Woman thing in my opinion, but it is fair to say that culturally at least in America a woman is not often taught to honor and respect her man.

So many women disrespect men unless the guy checks certain boxes for her. Girls like that you don't want to fuck with because it means her positive traits aren't genuine.

They're conditional to her mood and how she feels about you. That's why for me a girl throws up a red flag when she treats other dudes like shit if she doesn't find them attractive or of use.

That's a lot of women actually

[D_Bone_Steak]

I'm married for over a decade, and I've dealt with my wife trying to, but I'm a real fucking asshole... I'm bigger, faster, tougher, stronger, and smarter. Looking at the dating market around me though that's exactly how it looks. These chicks henpeck the crap out of their men and turn them into male bitches. And chicks can get mad at me for saying that all they want, because I could beat their dudes up so they need to shut the fuck up. These chicks made their men that weak and pathetic. The sad part is most of these dudes that are weak, had no Dad or had a weak buck broken Dad that was also getting henpecked. It's sad. All that femdom bullshit can kiss my hairy ass.

[SimpleGuy95]

I wouldn´t say they are not respecting guys because they often actually are. But due to the development that more and more women step up in nearly all parts of society and due to the tendency that guys that women kind of have over-taken especially parts of society like the whole part of raising children guys have completely left that.
I just think that the understanding of a man and what a woman is got completely lost because it nowadays like women have taken of the role of the providers because guys encouraged and let them so to speak.
Like nowadays it seems like women are the care-takers/providers and also doing the housework and guys are doing something in between also wanting to be the breadwinner while figuring out what masculinity is.
Both are not content with the situation.
But that´s just my view and I think depends where you come from because western culture differs depending on the country and background you have.

[TrueConfection]

I think we have become a "ME" society. More and more people are putting themselves first and often seem to forget that other people even exist. My husband and I were just discussing this yesterday. There is an entire generation of people now that are so arrogant, narcissistic, and disrespectful. Women AND men share the responsibility on many levels.

[RandomGuy1030]

Take your feelings out your analysis, girl. Objectively, it's women emasculating dudes. It's not dudes turning girls into men.

[TrueConfection]

@RandomGuy1030 I agree with your last sentence. The question was regarding respect, so exactly which "feelings" should I remove from my opinion?

[RandomGuy1030]

That a group of people just can't morally do something evil unless of course they are white blond men.

[TrueConfection]

@RandomGuy1030 LOL. ok, I don't "feel" that nor did I say that.

[2facedfa1ry]

no, litterally no one tries to castrate & control their bfs unless they're abusive or something. And the only guys who are like 'oh women these days are ruined' are litterally almost always some type of incel (there's lots of people like that on here, but they're a very small minority in real life though)

[Intothevoid666]

There has been no society in like the history of the world that is so biased towards women yet women still have the nerve to complain and if any guy says anything about it he is just an incel.

[JW502]

This is absolutely true...
Females 40 years ago respected their husband's and that's why marriages lasted 30+ years. The females today only care about getting what they want in the moment. I'm not saying it's their fault, but it's a fact. That's why so many Western men are going over seas to find wives, where the ladies are being manicured to be wives by their families.

See in America for the man, there is no incentive to be married. The contract between two people now benefits the woman heavily. If that contract was to break, the man usually has to lose his house, pay child support, or alimony, or both. It honestly isn't worth it to be married anymore for men in the USA.

[amandat94132]

Equal respect , no one controls the other

I saw my Aunt become a shell of her former self when she
became an Independent Baptist , no respect from her than
husband , he called her " the wife" not by her name

No one likes disrespect , not anyone, relationships should
be based on mutual respect not vying for control

[Hellodownthere]

True to a degree. Feminism hasn't done western women a whole lot of good. No way I'd ever marry again. I wouldn't even invite one to share my home the way they act these days. They want too much from a man while giving little back to him in return. And this isn't born out of a bad experience I've had with women, even though I've had them. It's purely from observation, from listening to women speak and watching how they behave with other men.

[OlderAndWiser]

That is the opinion that gets expressed by butthurt snowflake boys who got rejected and didn't know what to do about it.

[cth96190]

Guilty as charged, but it is also true.
Through Feminism, Communists teach women to hate, fear and resent men.
That has been happening for a century.
If a female has been to university, she has been subjected to the full Communist mind fuck.
Tertiary educated women are to be avoided. Nothing good can come from interaction with such women.
Read what the Communist Manifesto (Marx, 1854) and the protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion say about destruction of the family and masculinity and much will become clearer about the true purpose of Feminism.

[Gloree]

@cth96190 hit the nail on the head

[WhiteBoyChill]

Not necessarily. I been rejected a couple times but I’ve never felt offended before because of it

[OlderAndWiser]

@WhiteBoyChill Right. Not everybody reacts that way.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Even still I would argue that most men and most women my age aren’t worthy of dating. Maybe it gets better as you age but among my generation not such an easy thing to find someone who could be considered worthy

[Reaper1985]

in modern western culture there are less males being raised to be husbands/fathers and less females being raised to be wives/mothers. many people would rather just have short term flings over long term commitments.

however the rising divorce rates and chances that a guy will get his life ruined by courts. over outdated relationship and/or parenthood laws also play a role to some degree.

[dustybiker]

Some men choose to behave in a way that will get this reaction. Yes. All men? Not at all. Want respect, earn respect. Both sides.

[Ghostluck]

And this is where society is screwed up. I live by giving respect to ALL until they have done something to lose that respect. Now days people act as though respect has to be earned, not given. This is why society will continue to fail, nobody respects anybody anymore, they are all expecting others to "earn" that respect before it is given. The world has it completely backwards today, a far cry from what it should be. Where I am from, you give respect to all, if you do not, you're very likely to end up knocked on your rear end. All people deserve respect unless they have done something to lose it.

[dustybiker]

You took my words out of context.

[Ghostluck]

I see, got a little excited there, haha.

[dustybiker]

@Ghostluck No problem. The internet is like that. 😎

[Confusedashell123]

I am a western woman and I want to be respected to I treat my other half with respect. I only have friends in couples who do the same but I’d say the world is the same the whole world over. If people are going to be disrespectful they’re going to do it no matter their nationality

[Anonymous]

Whenever men say stuff like blaming feminism and western women and how terrible or evil women are or that they are gold digging prostitutes instead of owning up to themselves its absolutely no surprise that these men won't earn any respect. Shocking isn't it?

I am way more surprised how women aren't hating men after all that. How do the women manage to not hate men?

[Whatever2929292]

For some women yea that is true and it really goes both ways. A lot of men also don't respect women and women don't respect their man. It ends pretty bad most relationships do because they aren't in it for love. Many people are in it for sex and/or money or are in it only for their own emotional, physical, etc needs

[ManOnFire]

Yes and no. We do have women here who are more traditional and women who regard men as men, but in the larger demographic American women don't. The reason being that our culture has been poisoned by Caucasian feminism for decades, which has been about competing with men to prove that women are "strong" and "powerful" to the point where they have little to no regard or respect for who men are.

[Anonymous]

I think because attractive women have so many options they want an easy out, and if they’re in control of the relationship, it’s easier for them to exit because they have the power.

It’s pretty effed, especially for us dudes that just want to have and get along with someone. We don’t want drama or any of that. Like if you like me, just accept me for who I am and let’s enjoy our time and get on with our lives. That’s it.

[KelleyNice]

There are efforts in that direction. That is why little boys in public school are drugged, supposedly because they are hyperactive, and indoctrinated to be obedient and passive. And, why colleges have become a hostile environment for young men.

[TrueConfection]

This is EXACTLY what's happening.

[BCA6010]

Pfft. I think there's a very heavy-handed trend of people in general not respecting each other, a byproduct of a culture that celebrates idolatry and self-righteousness.

[Anonymous]

My wife has me in chastity and controls everything, so on one hand you're correct. On the other, She is smarter, makes more money, has more power and influence, and I believe I'm privileged to serve Her needs. Yes, that makes me a simp, but so what? I'm cared for, and I do everything She wants and fill Her needs without Her having to ask. We're both very happy.

[Intothevoid666]

They don’t and they refuse to accept they don’t let alone make up for it. They don’t even want to understand how men work because then they’d have to accept responsibility for their shitty behaviors and attitudes