Why are men not respecting women anymore?

[Anonymous]

[MrOracle]

Women (as a whole, rather than a few individuals) get FAR more respect today than ever in the history of the world. Women have more rights, more privileges, and more access than ever before, and tons of men defend those things right along with the women.

But the trade-off of demanding equality is... gasp! EQUALITY. It means that you give up many of the special treatment that women USED to get in trade for all of the rights and access you didn't have before.

Back when women generally couldn't go to college, couldn't work outside the home, couldn't have their own bank accounts, get loans, credit cards, or mortgages, it meant that men had to supply all of those things and more, and generally do a lot more providing. I suspect the lack of that is what you're talking about when you say "not respecting women anymore."

Well, you can't have it both ways... when you demand rights, you have to accept the responsibilities that go with those rights, just like men (in general) always have.

If you're talking about "respect in regards to relationships", you need to realize that for millions of years, men and women had established gender roles, and relationships were built on those roles. Now, very suddenly (in only the last 60 years, and really mostly in the last 30), those gender roles have been thrown out - AT WOMEN's REQUEST! But those roles were a big reason relationships were valuable for men.

Sex was always valued by men, and it used to be that sex was mostly confined to marriage... BUT... it also meant that women married very young (at the average age of 15!) and stayed home and took care of the kids, the house, and her man, while he worked outside the home to pay for everything. Women don't take care of their men all that much anymore, and prefer to work for their own places to live. They also don't marry at 15 anymore (today's average marriage age is 30 - twice as old!), but they start having sex at the same age as always (around 15 on average), so that means men can get sex without a marriage or even a relationship. That doesn't leave a lot of motivation for men to get into relationships anymore (sex is already available, and he gains little by marrying, but marriage brings him massive legal and financial liabilities), so men have started to figure out that relationships and especially marriage aren't a very good deal for men anymore.

That was a very foreseeable consequence of women's equality/feminism.

[Imhotep99]

Nailed it Mr Oracle.

[Anonymous]

For a straight single male, the pro-nastiness message was one of the most disturbing. Here were hordes of women, openly pledging and vowing and proudly proclaiming an unattractive, antisocial trait. I’ve never been to a slutwalk or fat acceptance protest, but I expect it’s a similar sentiment: the feeling of revulsion at a female contorting herself to proclaim something which makes her disgusting and unattractive to you.
The “nasty” slogan comes from the final presidential debate in October, 2016, when Trump referred to Hillary Clinton as “a nasty woman.” While Trump himself has been called as much or worse, you don’t see male Trump supporters openly supporting the idea of being a rapist, or tax evader, or being “poor?”
Good men do not glorify negative or antisocial traits because we have self respect, and wish to better ourselves. Human beings, as social animals, care about what others think of them. It’s one thing to give up—to say, I cannot be anything better than a fat slob who cannot cook or live a healthy life, and must rely on a make-work HR job or outright welfare. But it is entirely another to be proud of your failures. We have truly entered strange times when women are openly bragging of their negative features.
They are proud to be fat and flabby. They are proud to be slutty. They are proud to be angry. They are proud to be nasty. Bring back a man from just 50 years in the past, and he would be completely flabbergasted. Prior to a few years ago, women zealously guarded their reputation, their image, and their bodies.
Demonstrating Low Value
In the past, women were afraid of word spreading of their low value if they had too many sexual liaisons. They were afraid of aging, and used a variety of clothing, makeup, hair treatments, and push up bras to maintain the fertile image of their newly pubescent bodies. More often than not, even in the liberated west, they preserved their virginity for marriage.
But today, women not only don’t try to stress their positives, they sell you on their degeneracy and unattractiveness. Indeed, seeing women and girls of all ages proclaiming their nastiness made me seriously question wanting to live in the society this is becoming.

[Opinion Owner]

Birth Control One of the universal fears held by the protestors is a change in the legality of abortion under a Trump administration. My opinion has long been agnostic: I am not a woman so I don’t have an opinion one way or another about how women handle unwanted pregnancy, much as I couldn’t care less what a woman thinks about what type of diet I eat, what my gym schedule is, or whether I’m manspreading. It is simply irrelevant. For those who want to concern troll and force a woman to have a child against her will, well, you’d better be prepared to stand there monitoring her for the next 30 years, because she’s not going to stop making bad choices once the child is born, and will be greatly increasing the odds that the child will be a degenerate, welfare recipient, or likely a criminal, causing real harm to honest, law abiding productive citizens, perhaps stealing their property, or raping or killing them...

[Opinion Owner]

... if you’re not prepared to ensure she makes all the right choices so that doesn’t happen, don’t tell her to become a mother when she doesn’t want to. And yeah, sure, not all single moms.
The Effects Of Abortion
On a micro level, I’m glad women have the ability to end pregnancy. There are many groups, including welfare recipients, teenagers, the unemployed, and sex workers, among others, who are, as Trump would say, “not the best and brightest.” Society greatly benefits from them not reproducing. These groups also tend to have the highest rates of reproduction. Also, single women, especially those we target for engaging in ONS recreational sex, would make horrible mothers, and should be discouraged from motherhood. Unrestrained, these groups will crowd out the productive classes; this is known as the Idiocracy Effect.

[Opinion Owner]

But on a macro level, one must really question the societal changes that abortion has caused. I’m not talking about the debate of where life begins: although I would argue life begins at birth, science does not provide a definitive answer and this can be debated ad nauseam. I’m talking about the societal effects caused by legal abortion. The behavioral, social, and cultural changes that it caused.
Abortion was legalized in 1973 in America. According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, between 1950 and 1985, nearly all industrialized countries legalized abortion. Notable exceptions include Poland, Korea, Iceland, UK, and Finland, where it is legal only under certain circumstances.

[Opinion Owner]

Worldwide Laws Trending Towards Legalization
At first glance, some generalizations can be made. Africa and Latin America, two regions that suffer from poverty and overpopulation, seem to be demonstrating the Idiocracy effect in action (quantity over quality) while almost the entire developed world, including China, Russia, US, and most of Europe, has unrestricted abortion.
Ireland is the only first world nation outlawing abortion, and due to Northern Ireland being under the legal jurisdiction of the UK, women can freely travel to Northern Ireland for abortion. The trend is clearly for legal abortion, and it is hard to see a reversal of this trend.
Social Changes Caused by Abortion
How has the availability of abortion affected social change? Throughout most of history, women remained chaste until marriage, with some risking sex with a small numbers of partners, but fear of the stigma of pregnancy kept most from acting on their desires.

[Opinion Owner]

One night stands were almost unheard of, because the risk so greatly outweighed the reward for the woman.
If a woman really wanted to experience sex, she would seek a husband or at the very least a committed partner where she could have the appearance of being dumped by a scorned lover, if things ended in pregnancy badly. Often women would marry shortly after reaching fertility anyway, and even up until 1980, the average age for American women to marry was 22.
Banging sloots is fun, but remember they have been available throughout history in every civilization. It is only in modern times where they seem to be the majority. Was this caused, in part, by legal abortion? I would argue that the mere availability and acceptance of legal abortion has created a situation where women are more likely to ride the cock carousel, even if they never obtain an abortion themselves. The fear of judgement by others is gone, which was the main thing keeping women’s promiscuity in check.

[Opinion Owner]

Divorce and abortion
When examining the history of divorce, we see an enormous increase in divorce which occurred in the 1970s, when abortion became legal in the US (remember, while it was legalized in all states in 1973, it was legal in some, and growing in support for several years prior). Also, keep in mind the apparent decline in divorce recently must be considered along with the fact that marriage rates are now at an all time low–many who would have married to later divorce are simply not marrying.
Again, the increase in divorces has less to do with abortion itself, rather than the culture that abortion created. When women were no longer as concerned about their self image, they began acting on their urges, as they could secretly sleep around, and if it resulted in pregnancy, whether she was married or single, she could secretly erase any evidence of her actions with an abortion. No fault divorce law in 1969 was also a factor, and indeed abortion was merely one part of a...

[Opinion Owner]

... culture that changed how women viewed relationships, marriage, and sex.
What is important is not how many of these women actually aborted a pregnancy; but the mindset that women now had about relationships, sex, self image, and her relationship to men which changed drastically. While most women will not have an abortion in their lifetime, most women have the mindset that she should act on her emotions, that promiscuity is good, and that she can secretly act on her desires if she feels like it, without being held accountable. This is the biggest sorrow of abortion.
Weighing the Effects
As with any story, there are two sides. I believe the link between abortion and declining crime rates discussed in the book Freakonomics is causal. And the WHO has concluded legal abortion lowers the mortality rates for women, due to the removal of dangerous illegal abortions. While I don’t want the welfare mom in the projects or the teenage slut living down the street to reproduce,

[Opinion Owner]

... also lament the destruction of American morality, the loss of honor, beauty, and a healthy dating market. American women have become the worst in the world, and this is a new development over the last decade.
In the end, the best policy towards abortion is likely the same as for homosexuality.
It should not be criminalized, but it should be somewhat shameful, not openly discussed, and never glorified.
While legal abortion is only one factor in the vast societal changes of the past 50 years, it has contributed negatively to sexual relations, family, loyalty, chastity, and morality. Men made the decision to legalize abortion in an attempt to empathize with and help women. The nasty, angry, proudly unpleasant and unattractive women it has created have none of my sympathy.

[Opinion Owner]

Make Our Women Great Again!
In his inaugural address, Trump outlined the economic failures in America. Real wages peaked in the 1960s, and America has been on the decline ever since. The same can be said of our moral and social condition. Women are afraid of losing some of their reproductive freedoms. While a rollback of legal abortion is unlikely, whatever moves the Trump administration takes in this area, it is hard to see any outcome but improvement.

[HaveQuestions]

Respect is earned. Period.

Funny how often I see this type of question, and right out of the gate, nearly everyone jumps right to blaming the other side. That, is part of the problem. Everybody can square up with the other side and trade endless rounds of "we don't because you don't." Is it accurate? In many cases, people are either talking about recent very loud, irrational groups that have been shouting, or they're coming from personal experiences gone wrong. All valid, but the bigger point is, respect across the board is earned.

I have ended up talking to many men and women on here who are genuinely awesome. Even if we disagreed at first, talking to people for a while, you can usually find you have a lot more in common than you thought. Or at least an appreciation for differences. I treat debating someone as a form of respect, because it's time invested in understanding, and time is our most valuable currency.

Respect cannot be demanded, required, forced, or bought. It is a function of evaluating actions, and the alignment of words to deeds. Any person out there is worthy of respect, if they earn it. And any person out there is capable of losing it. I respect custodians who are friendly, helpful, and work hard far above and beyond CEOs who trample people, think they are entitled to treat people below them like ceap, and who are unappreciative of the efforts of other that supports their ability to be in the role they are.

Nope. Nobody, absolutely nobody, should assume that their existence alone gives them any sort of boost to possessing respect from others. Think of it like slope and intercept. You start at a zero intercept of respect, and you go up as you increase on the decent and respectable human being axis. You don't get to start at a higher intercept because of any innate quality. It's earned.

[FakeName123]

"treat debating someone as a form of respect, because it's time invested in understanding"

Unfortunately for many it's just about being right and winning rather than understanding, expressing and challenging.

[HaveQuestions]

@FakeName123 believe me, I've seen that side of it plenty on here, too. Male and female. For me, what I said applies. It isn't the case for everyone, and that's pretty easy to pick up on rather quickly. I've met some awesome people on here who talk, express, and do try to work to a common understanding though, and I appreciate them.

[FakeName123]

I didn't mean to accuse you of not doing it. Was just a general statement. And of course arguments can be heated and passionate, but eventually it should still be about understanding, expressing and challenging.

[HaveQuestions]

@FakeName123 for sure. No worries, I didn't take it as a personal accusation. Just agreeing with you. Also, I agree about the heated and passionate. The very best debates are. If there isn't heat or passion about it, why bother? Lol. I have never minded people's passion, even if it appears negative at first. Those usually have the most to say. I do mind when it becomes clear it's about digging in their heels, and winning at any and all cost including the loss of common sense, reason, and respect.

[WriterAndPainter]

I don't think the male population as a whole disrespects women. In recent years women have become more of a "burden" because they have the sense of entitlement because they think they have the power because they have a vagina. Women have been screaming equality for years and the modern woman doesn't understand that she does have a equality. Women in the early 1900s-1970's (ish) and before didn't have equality. That's when feminism was OK, because they pave the way for women like me, and women and young women reading this. There are jobs that men make more, but if you look at the qualifications with some of those jobs and you have Peter that can lift x amount and then you have Susan that can't and Peter picks up the slack why shouldn't Peter make more? You also have certain situations where there may be a man and woman in the same exact position, but you don't know which one has more experience or a higher degree in that field and it's natural for the person with the more experience or the higher education to make more because they have earned that whether they are a man or woman. So really men have lost respect for women because women have lost respect for themselves. Women (I'm not generalizing Every woman), have a sense of men pay for everything or men don't do enough for me, they don't buy enough for me, they don't do this, they don't do that. I can guarantee you men feel the same way we do but we cannot put our differences aside to give each other that emotional support that leads to sexual support that leads to a very healthy relationship/marriage.

[Idonthaveausername]

Men don't respect women because women don't respect themselves. All a woman has to do to be respected by men is to respect herself and be respectable

Obviously feminism is a big one here. Men feel like feminism is an attack on their ability to provide for women. If men could turn around and bear children, it wouldn't be a problem, but since they can't, it is. Feminism represents masculinity and men prefer feminine women over masculine women. Men aren't attracted to and won't respect masculine women who look like, talk like, act like, and sleep around like men

Men don't respect sluts. Even manwhores don't respect sluts. Sleeping around is the biggest way for a woman to lose the respect of men

Men don't respect bitches. Men respect pleasant women who treat others decent

[Idonthaveausername]

Women respect decent men and men respect decent women. That's a standard that won't change. The problem is so many people aren't decent people

Men also don't respect women who are completely dependent or codependent on others. Men like to have some emotional space every once in a while. Men respect women who can support themselves without a man around, but want to be the man a woman like this will give up her independence for

Some men have been screwed over in the past, so they have a hard time respecting women because of this, respectively

And then some guys are just assholes. Maybe they weren't raised properly or had terrible influences growing up. Whatever it may be, there are some bad guys out there who will never respect women, even respectable women

[Imhotep99]

You deserve this-
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Biggest enemies of feminism? Feminine women who want to be themselves and not a man.

[Idonthaveausername]

@Imhotep99
Thank you for that. I appreciate it coming from you

All the feminists on this site do hate me though, so you're not wrong from what I've seen

[Imhotep99]

Yes, true that. Few decent feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers exist. Do watch her videos if you get the time. Camille Paglia is another brilliant woman.

[MrOracle]

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[Idonthaveausername]

@MrOracle
Thank you.

Does two clapping memes count as the internet version of a standing ovation or do I need a third? Lol

This is actually a topic I've been considering writing a MyTake on because a lot of girls on here don't understand how male-female respect works

[LilyMillett]

If THAT is really how men think (generalization, so probably bull) then no respect is deserved for such men, and I don't feel bad about feminists screwing them over anymore.
Screw this ignorant world, I wanna go to another world and live with a more advanced civilization, or perhaps better worded as "an ACTUAL civilization".

[MrOracle]

@Idonthaveausername
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@LilyMillett
It's your choice, of course, but you can either choose to try to understand men's perspective, which gives you a better understanding of us and improves your chances of a successful relationship, or you can get upset that you can't have it both ways, and be bitter, and alone (or, worse, in terrible relationships). It's up to you, but with your attitude, you're actually doing men a favor by wishing to "leave the current civilization" for some imagined utopia.

[Imhotep99]

@MrOracle Nailed it again.

[Idonthaveausername]

@MrOracle
Thank you, thank you.

I give the same advice to feminists and MGTOWs all the time. If you want to live a happy life, you can't be bitter about anything, especially the other people who can make your life rich and fulfilling. People like her will never find the utopia they're looking for because they're too bitter to find it (and it doesn't even exist, but that's not the point.)

The biggest problem she has is (as I said before) feminists trying to act like men and take over man's place in the world when our fundamental biological differences prevent women from thinking like men. If she could think like men, she wouldn't get upset and wonder, "If THAT is really what men think..." Much less doubt it

[MrOracle]

Clearly you get it.

[BuchitaBuchys]

They never did. I don't know why people romanticize the past so much, you realize that back then, they didn't even want us going to school or work?

If anything, men are respecting us more now, than they did back then. And I'm grateful for that.

I think it's just that more women are noticing less "special treatment", which I'm all for - treat me like your equal even if I lose some "advantages", not some disabled princess. And I guess some women and men take that as "losing respect". Lol no sweety. We get a lot more respect today than we've ever had in history

[BuchitaBuchys]

Unnecessary things like chivalry are gone now, and I say good riddance. Now men are being kind because they have manners to EVERYONE, not just "oh, let me get that for you m'lady".

[BuchitaBuchys]

I can't believe all the upvotes lol

[Anonymous]

It's society as a whole. People don't respect people. Girls don't respect guys and guys don't respect girls. It's honestly very sad. We live in a society where hooking up is encouraged and settling down we are told to slow down and explore our options. In today's day an age after a fight couples just break up and then get back together a bunch of times instead of sticking together, communicating, and fixing the issue at hand. If you don't think guys respect girls you're looking in the wrong places for love. A man that truly loves you will always respect you and you won't have to wonder if he does it will be evident. Don't blame men blame the way the world progressed as a whole. However respect is a two way street it needs to be earned before it is given and that could also take some time. Respect can also be lost after it's obtained so once it is earned it is something to be maintained not forgotten about and left to slowly dwindle away. In my opinion I think woman today are worse then men. I believe in relationships not hooking up and I believe in not playing with people's emotions and to find a girl that doesn't lead you on is hard now a days. My friends and I are all country boys raised old fashioned we open doors, carry bags, use manors and just be a gentleman it's not hard and there are many guys like that out there. You just have to look in the right places and if he doesn't respect you don't give him a second chance move on and find someone who does. I'm actually answering this with my girlfriend with me and she says you'll know he respects you when he puts you first without hesitation, when he makes you a priority. Look for a guy who has similar qualities to you dad. Because your father will always be the one man to never break your heart and will always love you when you find a man worth bringing home for him to meet then you know you found a keeper.

[Tdieseler]

Wait? we arent? lol... if anything, they lost respect for themselves first. Now its a whole lot of budding entitled morons we are raising now... who have no respect for men as well... so.. remembering that respect is Earned, if they dont have respect, it should be no surprise that they aren't respected as well...
Because i can tell you this... men STILL respect women and any man that doesn't is a fool... thing is.. Women are now hard to find...
now its just bitches and gold-digging Hoes. Thats different.
And just to see if im right or being a moron, i will call in some people.
@madhatters4 @MrOracle @DoomGuy @Blitzkrieger and im definitely not gonna forget @redeyemindtricks to keep me honest. I'd call in more but you know how it is.

[Blitzkrieger]

Women wanted to be emancipated, this empowered women but it also means that the entitlement attitude had got to go, if it was ever there. In some it surely was and still is. Men still respect women but due to the emancipation of women respect is not freely given any longer. And i agree that people dont always respect men either.

Respect is not a gender thing, its about how willing you are to work for it.

[Tdieseler]

@Blitzkrieger what you are willing to Sacrifice as well. Thats what i always tell women that want to be "emancipated"... first of all... when the hell were they ".. mancipated"... nature made them the way they are. They WANT that shit. So i dont get when women stand up and want to be men... while being female... like wth.
I on one hand.. i am all.. i mean ALL for females being "men"... because you really dont know what you have till you lose it. Honestly. Big supporter of Feminazi's here.
Be nice to see them lose jobs due to pregnancy and shit... no fucking rings or dresses... lol... i mean cmon... they have it GOOD..
they could fail at life, hit the gym, do some squats, by some make up... pose for some moron and still make it? really?
Cmon...
I respect WOMEN... not idiots. And thats in both genders.

[Blitzkrieger]

there's just too many women who think a normal relationship is like a sugar daddy thing. Feminism pretends women are goddesses and need to worshipped for just being a woman. I disagree with that.

[redeyemindtricks]

"Gold-digging hoes" lol
Dude you've gotta be kidding me if you actually think women are *more* concerned with boys' money now than they were 50 or 100 years ago.
From time eternal until just a generation or two ago, a husband was basically nothing other than a bank account, as far as women were concerned. Because that was the ONLY "respectable" place for most women to get money. Working was for men only, except for the most desperate and destitute of women (who *had* to work because their husbands had died, or been crippled in a factory accident, or whatever) -- and any woman who did work, was an object of pity and pathos.

I mean, "gold digger" wasn't even rlly a phrase back then... because it was basically THE ONLY OPTION.

As for women who are "gold diggers" TODAY, when there are actually other viable (and socially acceptable) options --
DUDE
Set aside the foaming-at-the-mouth hate for just a sec, and *think* about this from the woman's perspective-- as a PURE BUSINESS deal.
I mean,

[redeyemindtricks]

rlly... put aside all the moralizing, and all the self-interest, and all that shit... and just add up the $$$ numbers. Balance sheet, dude.

Now imagine that YOU are offered an arrangement -- a job, a relationship, whatever the hell -- with the same profit margin, for the same (VERY small) amount of work.

Are you gna tell me you -- along with the VAST majority of men on this planet -- wouldn't *jump* at that chance?
Ahahahahha gtfo w/that. Come ON.

Boys ONLY hate on "gold diggers" BECAUSE NO SIMILAR TITLE EXISTS FOR BOYS.
That's the ONLY reason.
You know it, I know it. Let's all stop the faux moralizing please tyvm.

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks You got some valid points... back then it was the ONLY option and yes.. then "gold digging hoes" didn't exist... it only became a thing when women got the same rights, were able to do other shit, started working, but yet... YET still wanted some guy to handle financial shit... THAT darling.. is where gold-digging hoes came from. we ain't back then no more.
Would a guy jump at a chance at being successful... for little work? yea. But you know something.. the only reason why they even try... is cuz of women. Factor out women... men are as basic as can be.
what do you mean there isn't another similar title.. lol.. we call em pussies lol. dont ask me, i didn't come up with the shit.

@Blitzkrieger if women actually knew what it was to be a man... feminism will stop like damn near instantly.

[redeyemindtricks]

"the only reason why they even try... is cuz of women."

^^ eh not rlly. You're badly underestimating yr fellow dudes. Sure that's *one* motivation, but, to say it's the ONLY one is stupidity.
Why does Bill Gates still go to work every day? (Why does any *ambitious* man -- like 99.9% of whom are strictly monogamous, and it's not like the billions they already have aren't enough for their wives -- keep working? ... Welp, there goes the "it's all to get laid" theory.)

Why do so many men feel a sense of *duty* to their jobs -- far above and beyond what earns them extra $$? Can't explain that one with pussy, either.

Etc.

I mean... you're even an IT guy. You think boys' tendency to take shit apart, put it back together, and invent new gadgets all the time has anything to do with women?
Lol smh... Boys are already doing all that while they've still got a good 4-5 years of "Girls are ewwww grossss!" still left to go.

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks this is like when women get all dressed up with makeup, tight ass uncomfortable dresses and heels that... i can't even describe, and claim..."Oh, i just wanna feel sexy..." missing the underlying factor... sexy.. FOR WHO? can't be for yourself... thats internal, but you are doing external work.
Same thing on the guy side darling... women may be One of the reasons, but if it takes up over 90% of the whole... i mean... cmon.
One way or the other... there's women involved. and if its not women... its kids.. which technically still have women involved lol...
the other meager percentage... is comfort. (which still has women in it)
Literally.. sit a guy in a cardboard box, with a working tv, case of beer, and food whenever... that pretty much sums up comfort for a guy. the rest of that shit... all for women.
Just gotta know how to dissect and aim for the basics... right?

[redeyemindtricks]

dude... smh, you're smarter than this. There's simple, and there's simplistic... and this is the latter.

I mean, like, that first paragraph? About women and clothes?
If you're gna get all up on THAT shit... then, you may as well also say that "I fuck for the sake of pleasure" is dirty lies, because, after all, sex is biologically for reproduction and "pleasure" is ultimately pointless.
You ready to make THAT "argument", tiger?
•_________•

I rlly don't understand people who think like you're thinking right now.
... specifically, people who realize that thing A can make people want to do thing B -- but who weirdly DON'T realize that B can make you want C, which can make you do D, which can make you value E, etc... until thing A isn't even in the picture anymore.
Dude.
Get with the program.

Think about all the sex you've had, young man: How much of that sex has had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with reproduction... which is ostensibly "the purpose of it all"?
Prl about 0.000% I'm betting?
And

[redeyemindtricks]

for what percent of it have you been meticulously AVOIDING reproduction?
... prl about 100.000%, if we round to the nearest 0.001%?

Yeah.

So... you fuck, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with reproduction.

And yet you CAN'T POSSIBLY IMAGINE that we want to get all dressed up... for reasons that don't have anything to do with boys.

... The arrogance of it all, smh. Fuckin boys. Can't EVER imagine that something might not actually revolve around *them*.

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks was more about curiosity honestly. and shit gets complicated the deeper people go. its no surprise too many people just prefer to stay at the surface and take things at face value...
I dont. I like to take it apart like you said... see what makes it tick.
I have a saying... my methods and thoughts may be unorthodox... but they work and are right dammit. and thats why this question is an in-facing conundrum..
why are men not respecting women anymore? I don't know... maybe because women aren't respecting themselves anymore.
Women dont think to look there... but men do... :) we are the ones that have to disrespect people we want to respect... trust me... we've noticed.

[redeyemindtricks]

I mean, lol, I don't think men *used* to respect women any more before than they do now.
The difference is that now -- especially with the internet, but across society in general -- you're just more likely to hear people's real inner thoughts, that's all.

I mean, fuck, dude. 100 years ago, guys didn't even rlly think of women as being fully human, lol.

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks Because of gender roles (and they were morons).
But gender roles exist... and im a big fan of it. not all of it though... I've always hated that "woman should be cooking and cleaning" crap... i mean.. what if I wanna cook... what if i wanna take some dust off my xbox... i gotta wait for someone?
stupid really.
I just believe in compromise... respect one person and what they have to offer is all i say.
Gender roles.

[redeyemindtricks]

I mean, it's 2017. If cooking and cleaning takes more than a few hours a week, you're doing life all wrong ahah. (Including with kids, even when they're small.)

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks key words: its 2017.
we can't be natural equals... but nothing wrong with being intellectual, social, and relationship equals.
and any guy that thinks otherwise is a moron...
its just amazing how people dont dig past surface shit though.

[redeyemindtricks]

<3 xx

[Tdieseler]

@redeyemindtricks ok... which one is the hug or the kiss... im confused here..

[redeyemindtricks]

boys are cute when their confused muah

[redeyemindtricks]

they're *

[DooMguy]

OP doesn't know what she's talking about. She thinks that suddenly all men everywhere just flipped a switch and decided that they want to respect women

She probably had one bad experience then asked this question

[madhatters4]

i firmly believe women are treated far better in society than they have been in the overall history of the world. so we are definitely treating women with more respect today than before.

i imagine the QA is really just referring to a few particular situations and projecting it on to the world at large

[Tdieseler]

@madhatters4 In 1st world countries maybe... but not in some rural or 3rd world countries.

[Tdieseler]

@DooMguy Its always that one bad experience and all of a sudden its all men huh lol

[madhatters4]

well sure but i doubt that's what the QA's referring to

[Tdieseler]

@madhatters4 Honestly... probably not. but i agree with DooMguy that she probably is either basing that question off of some shitty experience with one guy, or what she is seeing going on around her.
Its like me asking "Why are women such gold-digging whores"... that would be based off of the women I've been with, and the ones my friends tell me about but doesn't apply to ALL women.
Me and @DooMguy are not saying there aren't disrespectful men, we are attacking the generalization lol... while also letting it be known that women are the ones who lost respect in the first place.

[Annawaldord]

Girl we've never been respected by men. If you sleep around you're a hoe, if a guy does he's a lad. If we get raped, it's our fault and we wanted it. Our opinions are not listened to or respected just like Hilary's wasn't. We don't have control over our own bodies, if for example we chose to have an abortion. Once we take control and make that decision we are made to feel ashamed.

In the 20th century and even before that we have always been seen as objects, less superior and as wives and sadly this is still the case now. Until there is equality between all genders, we will never have respect because we are below men and that has always been the case.

[poopedmypantsagain]

Well my honest opinion to this is that many men only want sex from the woman.. it does not have nothing to do really with respect.. but they may say they respect you and other nice things.. but that is just a ploy to get what they want.. I could never use a women that way.. and many males do not.. but then again many do.. take care now and be safe

[jessiie06]

I believe that it goes both ways. Some guys don't respect girls but some girls don't respect guys. More importantly, some girls don't even respect themselves. Why should a man respect a girl that sleeps with a bunch of men, etc.

I have a man that respects me very much and I respect him. It goes both ways.

[LilyMillett]

"The human body is EVULS! And lots of sex is BLASPHORMEH against the invisible flying sky demon!" -a prude

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

Just LOOK at the average woman. That's bad enough, but add in their personalities, and the real question becomes, "How has society not degenerated to a constant state of men beating women senseless?"

I really can't believe how much shit men take, and that the murder rate isn't a hundred times what it is. I'll never live with a woman again, and I'm honestly impressed with myself that I exercised the self control not to kill the last one I did live with.

[Leandri]

It is women who has a problem with men... I myself am a women, but I've noticed that women don't respect men... it is all this equality BS. I mean did we really think we can be equal to men? Doesn't matter though cause in reality they will always be above us

[SpeakNoEvil]

By "respecting" do you actually mean respecting or spoiling or treating like you need your hand held at all times? And by men and women do you mean people you know or people in the media or what? This question is so vague and assuming that any answer I give is pointless.

[AskAlthea]

I think it depends. I do see many men who respect females. I do notice that often times when men do not respect females, it is often for cultural reasons (like, in his culture women are not viewed as equals and so he does not respect women) or it is the subculture (most jocks and frat boys).

[Anonymous]

More men respect women than vice versa. Guys pay for the first date, hold doors and are generous etc. what do modt girls do for guys in general? Nothing rlly that screams respect

[TripleAce]

Cause most girls rather be bought off. And money is cheap

Girls be saying
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[rcm1ah]

https://youtu.be/-wExMdvsjYw

[Kuraj]

Because women don't give us much to respect.
Respect should be earned, not granted automatically.

But if I was you I wouldn't complain.
There are still tons of men who are so conditioned by social norms and their lack of self integrity that they still believe that what defines their "masculinity" is their ability to make life easier for women.

[Marellia]

Because of feminism which promotes to hate men and because of women who don't respect themselves who are acting like sluts.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Because a lot of women expect respect just for being a woman, instead of actually earning it. We're all about equality these days so it's given when it's due.

[writing_essays]

Its because woman are telling them they don't have to sacrifice their time, their love, their respect, their attention or their commitment to get sex from them.

[AleDeEurope]

Wait what? B... but I do respect women and, I just checked, and I'm a man :/

Don't you think if men don't respect you, it's because you're not worthy of their respect? I mean, respect is earned...

[rcm1ah]

https://youtu.be/-wExMdvsjYw

[cth96190]

Why?
Feminism and the effect that it has had on female behaviour.
To be shown respect a woman must first demonstrate that she is worthy of respect.

[dukejohn2000]

It's pretty simple really, when you have a bunch of women running around saying they want equal rights, and saying all men are misogynistic pigs, It's kinda hard to respect anyone for saying stuff like that.

[Anonymous]

Respect is earned not given.
Am I supposed to respect you simply for having a vagina?

[Nessie_Is_Real]

This ^^ is so true.