I'm not going to jump through hoops for someone, I'm going to be myself. I'm not going to act like some version of your idealized man, because it's a lie.
women like you are the reason guys give up on chasing girls all together and would rather do more productive things or play video games and watch porn. imagine if a guy wrote this take but about girls and you would see how much of a narcissistic egomaniac you sound. your "advice" is for the guy to restrict himself to the point the only pleasure he gets from the relationship is being in her presence. you dont want a boyfriend you want a servant that looks like a man
You expect a kind of guy who exists only in a fairy tale. In real life, all a lady truly wants is stability, love and respect. When you meet those 3 basic pillars in a relationship then its mission accomplished.
If you demand a guy to do this and do that and expect them to be mr perfect, he'll be burnt out from all your high expectations.
I maybe a bit younger than you but im already engaged and im also paying off my house. Working 2 jobs to make it all happen and make life easier for the future ahead.
So i gotta say i think i got some more experience when it comes to getting to the next level.
Oh and I dont have any of those things? Look, congrats on being engaged. But I am as independent as you and you really really dont have as much experience as me. You didn't even READ my last point to you let alone my take. You dont know me at all. Bye
Honey you can voice your opinion but a personal attack is not warranted when you come for me, all guns blasting, not knowing what you are talking about. Because you sound stupid. Just a tip. Take it or leave it. Your opinions here had absolutely nothing to do with this take. It is like me talking about political strife overseas and you responding "Your hair looks like shit". Something like that.
That is exactly what I have been trying to say all along. Read my points again. 1) Be strong. Know what you want. Make an effort. 2) Be honest with her EVERY SINGLE TIME. 3) Treat her like how you would want men to treat your sister and/or mother and/ or any female you would love who is close to you. 4) Kindness is key
I feel like we are going round in circles here. And no, I will type you to death if you keep attacking me personally. I am capable of being the most amazing wife there is. But if there is an injustice, then you are right, not only will I be a handful but a force to be reckoned with.
And I am calm. Just challenging you on your notions.
Some of the points you made are true but some aren't. Like the one where you said that Men shouldn't call Women rude terms, well and why not? Women call Men all sorts of things, so i don't see your point in that. Also, being a Gentleman is old, we live in a Modern Society, your take is not that correct.
@genuinlysensitive Not really, it's only some Feminist and the Men who were unfortunate to be fall into their trap. There are not many of these people where i used to live (Eastern EU) but i see a lot of them in the West, mainly UK and USA, more in England tough. @Asker No offence but your post seems like you are just a typical Feminazi.
Yes, you are correct they are quite common here in the US unfortunately. Which is where I am mainly speaking from. Glad to see it is not as common worldwide as I thought. There are more of them in UK you say? I didn't think that was possible lol. Yet another reason I dont want to visit there.
@genuinlysensitive Yes, England ALWAYS had a culture that was biased towards Women, this country is just horribly biased towards Women in everything, i have never been in US, but i think it's not as bad in the UK, because i have spoken to both American and English Women, and English Women are more traditional, they are the the type of Woman you would see in the TV when you watch Historical films, they still have a Queen in here as well so socially UK is worse i would say.
I have seen a shifting in the attitudes iof many Americans, at the grass roots level anyway, towards the realization of what feminism is. Granted its not as well funded as the movement, but it seems many people here are starting to realize what it really represents. It gives me great hope for the future here.
Starfishlover this was a really Amazing take. Its full of insight , wisdom And honour to both parties. You right when you say man and women are equal. I really admire your strong personality , honesty , integrity , smart wits and that you intelligent . I think some of this modern day thinking is totally crap , where its the guy that has to make the 1st move , its the guy that has choose the topics to speak on , its the guy that has fight to keep her , its the guy that has to bring the romance. We i not just saying that its the girls thinking that wrong it also guys because on the rare occasions that a girls does ask guy out they think they loose a form the manliness but that not true. Also i am not saying that when things go that way that its not nice but just saying it doesn't have be like that in order go have a successful relationship. So thanks for another great take. :)
Just stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean. "Men need to be attractive" it's true and goes hand and hand with what you said about "Put in the effort" the truth is ugly guys have no chance at all, which isn't bad, that's just nature. Personality flaws, etc mean shit when the man is attractive. I like this article because it's brazen but it's still too kind and not cutting to the truth enough.
I don't think the author intended it, because the advice given is mostly good stuff for a happier life and all that, but this article reeks of entitlement to me and it seems like a lot of the male posters feel similar. Perhaps it's just a gender communication style difference? i dunno..
Well, she feels entitled to be respected. I can only agree with that. I find none of her points to be exaggerated in anyway. Everything is reasonable. You could pretty much inverse all that for men and we'd be all set...
You want alpha males. problem is that there can be no leader without followers, if every male tries to be alpha nothing gets done. naturally, there will be more betas than alphas, so basically you have a situation where most guys are happy to lower their expectations of a woman but woman only go for the best regardless of whether they themselves are among the 'best'
Or... You can just try and not give up before you start... I had to be the man to get my love. Most women love a man who speaks from his heart. Be honest with how you feel about her... If you think she looks cute, tell her she looks fucking cute.
that's the easy part. I'm perhaps the most blunt person on the planet as it is but that doesn't instantly make you into prince charming.
She will always choose the boss or more dominant man if she can get away with it. I've been on both ends of this effect where girls with 'boyfriends' and occassionally even husbands simply do not care at all if a better looking or high status seeming male give her attention
Your own views contradict you. You say you want equality ad still want men to ask you out, compliment you, be chivalrous etc. No that's bs. You want equality you do everything that you expect a man to do for you.
A good mytake useful for those that need to hear this and not really helpful to those of us who are already gentlemen though (not the point of it though), and at the very least it was interesting to read, valid points were made.
Though if I am being completely honest here I have never in my life in Kansas ever heard of a women being referred to as a magical creature or really anything other then a human being lol.
I could not agree more, especially with putting in effort. I just recently broke up with my guy because he refused to put even a shred of effort into making our relationship work.
I'd like to add, LISTEN WHEN SHE TALKS. If your girlfriend is trying to talk to you, for the love of god listen to her, and try to understand what she's saying. If you don't, you might suddenly find yourself single, and you'll have missed every opportunity to stay together.
In almost all cases, if a woman is willing to have sex with a guy, she wants more. There is no such thing as 'boyfriend material' in that sense. A guy is generally either 'sex material' or not 'sex material'.
Thank god i decided that hookers, porn and video games are the better option. And i get to keep so much more resources. More cars and better computers for me, son.
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And so what do women have to do to deserve a guy like this? I know that's not the question but I wonder because I agreed with you at the beginning where you said "team effort" but then you kind of lost that idea and just focused on what the guy has to do not what the girl has to do or what the guy can expect if he does all the things you recommend.
I don't know how to respond to this. I just think it's foolish for some guys to take this out on all women. This is your opinon, people generalize too much.
I also agree with all of your negative points, I think some guys misunderstood the confidence one. Its the same for females, just have normal self esteem you don't need to be a 'superhero' like she said
I love how you mentioned how the alpha male (replace term if necessary) willpower, confidence and physical incapability to take shit can work for men. Kudos to that boss of yours for setting an example.
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"Well that is ok, this is to filter out the weaklings like this fellow. Behave confidently and rid yourself of your petty insecurities when you’re around her" ... do you know the guy in the picture personally? How sure are you that he gets less pussy than you get cock?
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I'm not going to jump through hoops for someone, I'm going to be myself. I'm not going to act like some version of your idealized man, because it's a lie.
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On point.
women like you are the reason guys give up on chasing girls all together and would rather do more productive things or play video games and watch porn. imagine if a guy wrote this take but about girls and you would see how much of a narcissistic egomaniac you sound. your "advice" is for the guy to restrict himself to the point the only pleasure he gets from the relationship is being in her presence. you dont want a boyfriend you want a servant that looks like a man
Maybe that is why guys dont respect certain girls, or find them to be girlfriend material.
I already put a ring on my lady.. So im not boyfriend material... Im a hubby material! :D
PS. You sound like too much of a handful to be wife material
And how , pray tell, am I a handful?
You expect a kind of guy who exists only in a fairy tale. In real life, all a lady truly wants is stability, love and respect. When you meet those 3 basic pillars in a relationship then its mission accomplished.
If you demand a guy to do this and do that and expect them to be mr perfect, he'll be burnt out from all your high expectations.
Oh so asking a guy to be stong, honest and kind and to not be disrespectful to be too much?
I maybe a bit younger than you but im already engaged and im also paying off my house. Working 2 jobs to make it all happen and make life easier for the future ahead.
So i gotta say i think i got some more experience when it comes to getting to the next level.
Oh and I dont have any of those things? Look, congrats on being engaged. But I am as independent as you and you really really dont have as much experience as me. You didn't even READ my last point to you let alone my take. You dont know me at all. Bye
No need to get offended by a random gagers opinion. Its just a website where anyone can voice theirs.
Honey you can voice your opinion but a personal attack is not warranted when you come for me, all guns blasting, not knowing what you are talking about. Because you sound stupid. Just a tip. Take it or leave it. Your opinions here had absolutely nothing to do with this take. It is like me talking about political strife overseas and you responding "Your hair looks like shit". Something like that.
Okay. I hope you calm down and not type me to death xD
Just take it with a grain of salt. And like i said earlier. A solid relationship is built more than just being Nice Gentlemanly and Strength?
Stability/Love/Respect
Thats all u need to look for in a guy and you're set.
So how is that stupid? :(
That is exactly what I have been trying to say all along. Read my points again.
1) Be strong. Know what you want. Make an effort.
2) Be honest with her EVERY SINGLE TIME.
3) Treat her like how you would want men to treat your sister and/or mother and/ or any female you would love who is close to you.
4) Kindness is key
I feel like we are going round in circles here. And no, I will type you to death if you keep attacking me personally. I am capable of being the most amazing wife there is. But if there is an injustice, then you are right, not only will I be a handful but a force to be reckoned with.
And I am calm. Just challenging you on your notions.
*Bites of head* dies* you win :(
An apology would suffice :( I dont bite heads off, I am not marylin manson :P
Thats not manson! Ozzie ozborn bites heads off!! Get yer references right damn you!! Dx
Naaah manson bites chickens heads off!!!
Ozzy bites off bat heads!
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Some of the points you made are true but some aren't. Like the one where you said that Men shouldn't call Women rude terms, well and why not? Women call Men all sorts of things, so i don't see your point in that. Also, being a Gentleman is old, we live in a Modern Society, your take is not that correct.
In our society, women can do whateber they want, its only rude or sexiat of a man does it.
@genuinlysensitive Not really, it's only some Feminist and the Men who were unfortunate to be fall into their trap. There are not many of these people where i used to live (Eastern EU) but i see a lot of them in the West, mainly UK and USA, more in England tough. @Asker No offence but your post seems like you are just a typical Feminazi.
Yes, you are correct they are quite common here in the US unfortunately. Which is where I am mainly speaking from. Glad to see it is not as common worldwide as I thought. There are more of them in UK you say? I didn't think that was possible lol. Yet another reason I dont want to visit there.
@genuinlysensitive Yes, England ALWAYS had a culture that was biased towards Women, this country is just horribly biased towards Women in everything, i have never been in US, but i think it's not as bad in the UK, because i have spoken to both American and English Women, and English Women are more traditional, they are the the type of Woman you would see in the TV when you watch Historical films, they still have a Queen in here as well so socially UK is worse i would say.
I have seen a shifting in the attitudes iof many Americans, at the grass roots level anyway, towards the realization of what feminism is. Granted its not as well funded as the movement, but it seems many people here are starting to realize what it really represents. It gives me great hope for the future here.
Starfishlover this was a really Amazing take. Its full of insight , wisdom And honour to both parties. You right when you say man and women are equal. I really admire your strong personality , honesty , integrity , smart wits and that you intelligent . I think some of this modern day thinking is totally crap , where its the guy that has to make the 1st move , its the guy that has choose the topics to speak on , its the guy that has fight to keep her , its the guy that has to bring the romance. We i not just saying that its the girls thinking that wrong it also guys because on the rare occasions that a girls does ask guy out they think they loose a form the manliness but that not true. Also i am not saying that when things go that way that its not nice but just saying it doesn't have be like that in order go have a successful relationship. So thanks for another great take. :)
Sure there are jerks and idiots on this planet, but if you meet a certain amount of idiots a day... maybe take a look in the mirror.
Funny , was thinking something similar.
Just stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean. "Men need to be attractive" it's true and goes hand and hand with what you said about "Put in the effort" the truth is ugly guys have no chance at all, which isn't bad, that's just nature. Personality flaws, etc mean shit when the man is attractive. I like this article because it's brazen but it's still too kind and not cutting to the truth enough.
I don't think the author intended it, because the advice given is mostly good stuff for a happier life and all that, but this article reeks of entitlement to me and it seems like a lot of the male posters feel similar. Perhaps it's just a gender communication style difference? i dunno..
Well, she feels entitled to be respected. I can only agree with that. I find none of her points to be exaggerated in anyway. Everything is reasonable. You could pretty much inverse all that for men and we'd be all set...
You want alpha males. problem is that there can be no leader without followers, if every male tries to be alpha nothing gets done. naturally, there will be more betas than alphas, so basically you have a situation where most guys are happy to lower their expectations of a woman but woman only go for the best regardless of whether they themselves are among the 'best'
Or... You can just try and not give up before you start...
I had to be the man to get my love. Most women love a man who speaks from his heart. Be honest with how you feel about her... If you think she looks cute, tell her she looks fucking cute.
that's the easy part. I'm perhaps the most blunt person on the planet as it is but that doesn't instantly make you into prince charming.
She will always choose the boss or more dominant man if she can get away with it. I've been on both ends of this effect where girls with 'boyfriends' and occassionally even husbands simply do not care at all if a better looking or high status seeming male give her attention
Your own views contradict you. You say you want equality ad still want men to ask you out, compliment you, be chivalrous etc. No that's bs. You want equality you do everything that you expect a man to do for you.
A good mytake useful for those that need to hear this and not really helpful to those of us who are already gentlemen though (not the point of it though), and at the very least it was interesting to read, valid points were made.
Though if I am being completely honest here I have never in my life in Kansas ever heard of a women being referred to as a magical creature or really anything other then a human being lol.
I could not agree more, especially with putting in effort. I just recently broke up with my guy because he refused to put even a shred of effort into making our relationship work.
I'd like to add, LISTEN WHEN SHE TALKS. If your girlfriend is trying to talk to you, for the love of god listen to her, and try to understand what she's saying. If you don't, you might suddenly find yourself single, and you'll have missed every opportunity to stay together.
In almost all cases, if a woman is willing to have sex with a guy, she wants more. There is no such thing as 'boyfriend material' in that sense. A guy is generally either 'sex material' or not 'sex material'.
What do you mean "more"? ... What if she just wants FWBs?
@JohnBhoy94 I mean a committed relationship. Very few women in friendships with benefits are actually satisfied with that arrangement.
Says you... but where is your proof?
@JohnBhoy94 Those women's words and actions.
Thank god i decided that hookers, porn and video games are the better option.
And i get to keep so much more resources.
More cars and better computers for me, son.
And so what do women have to do to deserve a guy like this? I know that's not the question but I wonder because I agreed with you at the beginning where you said "team effort" but then you kind of lost that idea and just focused on what the guy has to do not what the girl has to do or what the guy can expect if he does all the things you recommend.
1. The title clearly specifies this was going to be aimed at men.
2. There is a separate article that is the same thing only for women.
I don't know how to respond to this. I just think it's foolish for some guys to take this out on all women. This is your opinon, people generalize too much.
I also agree with all of your negative points, I think some guys misunderstood the confidence one. Its the same for females, just have normal self esteem you don't need to be a 'superhero' like she said
I thought it was a good take. It's one girl's outspoken opinion though, so guys shouldn't be butthurt.
Like the take owner?
Excellent take! You did a great job combining your text with the fugly pictures :) Very inspiring.
I do possess these characteristic above for being a gentleman.
But one thing I do not agree with. You women aren't magical creatures. You are just human as much as we males are :)
I agree with every point you made.
How thouroughly did you read it?
@genuinlysensitive Very. If you think she's wrong, please explain.
I love how you mentioned how the alpha male (replace term if necessary) willpower, confidence and physical incapability to take shit can work for men. Kudos to that boss of yours for setting an example.
"Well that is ok, this is to filter out the weaklings like this fellow. Behave confidently and rid yourself of your petty insecurities when you’re around her" ... do you know the guy in the picture personally? How sure are you that he gets less pussy than you get cock?
That guy isn't pretty but it's not about the beauty haha