Don't ask guys about makeup cuz they don't know anything about it. They just know pretty when they see it. I'm not sure what the rest of this is for. People, guys, like what they like. If your genetics put your SMV well down the grade that's just the luck of the draw. But there are others there with you so there's a mate for everybody.
The whole celebrity worship and comparo shtick is a giant fail. Too many fall into that trap.
Some women look better with some make up. My ex-wife was truly natural though. Never even had makeup. She was beautiful. The thought of Implants still creeps me out though. I like any natural boobs over fake. Maybe it's more of a phobia I have?
1) No I like no make up. If you’re ugly, it doesn’t mean I don’t know what I like.
2) Obviously people have different body shapes and bone structures. Guys just go for the ones we like, women are the ones saying how to I get a butt like her she’s body goals... So you have that backwards.
Talking about make up, in its self can cause skin problems, also not removing it can be bad for the skin. We all know that there are different body type and some are prone to put weight on easily. This is a problem for guys as well. I have to watch what I eat. Plus Donny usual sessions of exercise at the gym and outside. But some people don't bother saying oh it's my genes. That is no reason, just a lame excuse...
I don't even have make-up and I have quite severe acne. My friends use it almost every day and their skin is flawless. And you completely missed the whole point of point 2. I don't even know how because it was obvious. Yes, genes can make you unattractive to the unfixable point. That girl is an example for that. She started exercising, got fit, and she still looks bad becaue female attractiveness lies in body shape which you can't change
My eldest daughter was like that , she never used it but the doctor gave her some cream to use it calmed down the flare ups. Even now in her 30s her skin it's ok but still very sensitive to even some soaps...
1. Yeah, everybody who ever had a girlfriend knows this, because at one point they had to wake up next to her and nobody sleeps with their make up on. 2. This is simply inaccurate, while genetics do play a role, not being fat is readily available to everybody (which is already attractive by itself), and you actually can make your hips wider and your butt better through exercise. 3. I think most men who say that are referring to women who look natural, regardless of whether they had surgery or not. If you look good, and like a normal human being not a doll, I personally could not care less if you had surgery or not, and I think many guys would agree with me
Doesn't matter, they can be improved in the gym. It's one of the reasons why professional bodybuilders avoid squats for an example, because squats are one of those exercises that make your hips wider.
Shoulder width is also bone structure, but you can clearly see when you look at professional bodybuilders that they have a lot wider shoulders than the average guy, and it's not just shoulder muscles that are bigger.
I gave the example of this girl because I think she is the perfect example of narrow hips. You can see she is pretty fit and that's the highest level of exercising that most people who don't do this for living can achieve. Yet her figure is still unattractive and with narrow hips
Just means she is probably not doing the right exercises. Or she doesn't really want wider hips, or she is using some illegal substances etc. There are many possibilities. Either way, making your hips wider through exercise is possible, plenty of women have done it, its a fact. But hey, if you don't believe me, do a simple Google or YouTube search, and you will find tons of material telling you how to do it.
About makeup, I absolutely prefer a girl without it. I'm simply way more attracted to the skin's natural texture.
About genetics, most people is normal. So the lifestyle they have is what makes the difference. Plus the sexiest girl I dated had no curves or boobs at all.
And about plastic surgery, what looks sexy about the photo you posted is actually how fit the girl is. It's uncommon seeing a girl with plastic surgery which features don't look disproportionate, specially on the face.
Any man who has lived with a female partner knows the makeup argument presented here is BS. I don't know why you think you can keep pushing it. She comes home at night, we WATCH her take off her stupid makeup, she takes a shower and gets into bed. Her face is 3 inches away and occasionally even in direct contact, we know it better than we know our own - and you think it's your job to tell us that this is an illusion and you know better.
The point of this take is valid but some of the points aren’t spot on. While I can see a large majority of people falling into these categories, not all people feel this way. Your title implies that your going to delve deep but you only touch on the surface. Physical appearance is just one thing certain people will have delusions about.
Totally right , when i wear makeup (the no makeup makeup), a lot of men actually approche me (sometimes even harasse me) , but "au naturel" i would still be approached but not like when i'm all dolled up, the amount of attention i get decreases which means that the vast majority of guys do really prefer sophisticated women, don't deny it guys just admit it.
1. Guys are always lying when they say they prefer natural women without makeup. We just don't want to be rude and say "your looks went down 90% there". 2. Bullshit, Guys are attracted to all ages and all shapes and kinds. All races. It's WOMEN that are closed minded to looks. 3. Other than breasts NO. most guys hate those stupid lips and those big fat surgury asses. It's WOMEN who promote them.
I agree, beauty is at least 50% generics, but also healthiness and youth. The girl who lost weight is a perfect example she still doesn't have a perfect body, but I'd give her an 8 for the look (first pic is like a 3), but an overall 10 attractiveness, because of her determination.
When we say we like girls with no make up we really mean it. We'd love some natural beauty, it is an other question that we aren't very good at recognizing it.
1 Want to know if a guy can recognise no make-up from no make-up make-up? Look at his sister 2 many prefer other body shapes. There's even some freaks like me who prefer chubby. 3 Easy to sustain that argument if you take a Photoshopped picture with no comparison
The thing is... the longer and more often you girls use makeup, the worse is getting your skin. It would be better if u try to work on the health of your skin rather than just paint a new face on your face. And the last thing is: we guys also got no makeup we also have to live with our red dots or birthmark or whatever...
@esotericstory my “what?” Represented WTF is height surgery?(I looked it up) I’m sure I can’t speak for all women but the only aspect of this surgery that would turn me off is a guy being so insecure that he’d undergo hours of psychological evaluation, agonizing pain for months and spend over $100,000 all to feel better about their Napoleon complex and to gain 1-3 inches. It’s not like Lipo or a nose job.
@sarahsummer Well equally so a woman insecure about her fake breasts can also turn a man off but he will likely never know it. Same for penis enlargement surgery or something else.
@Robertcw Except its not basically the same thing. Not done by a plastic surgeon, its done by an orthopedic surgeon, includes breaking bones, attaching steel frames OUTSIDE the limbs for around 8 months then requiring the patient to turn the screws on the frame a millimeter a day to pull their leg bones apart bringing months and months of excruciating pain. That is NOT like a nose or boob job. But by all means if a guy needs to add 1-3 inches height go for it. It all just seems a bit extreme.
I think it is the same. Nose jobs require breaking the bone often and guess what, they wear a silly looking brace on their face with a swollen black and blue nose until it heals.
I don’t think I’m wrong. I wish you weren’t bitter about disagreeing. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, I just try to give my reasons so it’s clear why I think what I think with my reasons.
Studying philosophy has made me instinctively give my reasons for why I think anything.
Thanks for the link. But here’s what I get out of it: “If all of this sounds a little ‘out there’ or even a bit barbaric, consider this: Forty years ago the thought of sucking the fat out of a woman's thighs wasn't exactly mainstream either. ‘As we become familiar with something, it becomes more acceptable and more routine. … This is safe and effective and it can make a big difference in someone's life,’ said Rozbruch.”
I’m personally 5’8” and while I am not the shortest guy around especially among non-whites, I’m not the ‘ideal height’ either.
To be able to go from 5’8” to 5’11” or 6’0”. Would be a huge change in terms of dating prospects, not because of a lack of confidence but because it’s an upgrade. Just like going from a $40,000 per year income to a $120,000 per year income is an upgrade.
Working high paying jobs requires 60-80hours of grueling high stress labor — arguably more insane than putting metal rods in your legs. No one complains about enterprising and ambitious professionals having a Napoleon complex (even though they probably do; especially if they are trying to keep up with their neighbors).
@Robertcw if you think there’s a comparison between working 60hrs a week and breaking your bones, attaching a steel rod to their outside and twisting a screw every day for 8 months stretching your bones and veins and ligaments one millimeter a day, then, sorry but you are insane.
you presume to know a lot about what guys think and want.
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OK, here's the bottom line. Men hate fake looking women. And there are SOOOO many women today that look fake because of the makeup they wear and "procedures" they had. If you can pull those things off and still look natural, most guys have no problem with it. But we are really tired of fake looking women with big fake lashes, tattooed on eyebrows, obviously heavy makeup, big fake boobs...
Because we track all the comments men make online about other women and we also track them in real life - which of our friends are hit on and which are not
LOL.. of course you do. Let me explain something to you. Guys will always choose to look at good looking women rather than ugly women, even if the good looking women are fake.
As I already said, the bottom line is that men prefer natural looking women over fake looking women. You can choose to delude yourself however you choose, but those are the facts.
No, I'm saying that the majority of the female population is totally average. Nothing to be excited about and nothing unattractive either. So, the ones who are natural aren't chased that much. But those who were lucky enough to afford an operation by a good surgeon look much better (and still natural) than those average ones who they used to be and now are chased by men
What operations are you talking about? If you mean boob jobs, guys are not fans of fake boobs either. In real life, men prefer small natural boobs over big fake ones. Women get boob jobs for themselves, not for men. Men would rather they didn't.
A lot of guys DO know those things. You would have no way of knowing this, of course, but women are actually way way way more critical of women than men are. When guys say things like what you wrote about; that's usually just him replaying what some stuck up bitch told him.
I prefer natural look myself not keen on fatties as I am not and hate big breasts unless woman is tall and size is in good relation to height false breasts look stupid as the cleavage is lost because to big a gap between each breast and some breast enlargements put nipples in wrong place
Some people are pretty full of their delusions think a lot of thing's that rarely aren't the reason why they got rejected or made it. Think they can talk for a whole gender that they aren't and still think they are right even when they have been corrupted or proven wrong.
People see what they want to see, not what it really is.
1 I seen my girlfriend without make up tons of times and to me she likes better without it
2 don't really about any of that
3 Not a fan of fake woman no matter how it looks if we are dating and I found out that you had surgery that mean you was lying to me the whole time and I will end it
How would she be lying to you? Do you outright ask every girl you see if their boobs are fake or not? What about women who had breast cancer and then got replacements, does that make her fake and a liar too?
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Don't ask guys about makeup cuz they don't know anything about it. They just know pretty when they see it.
I'm not sure what the rest of this is for. People, guys, like what they like. If your genetics put your SMV well down the grade that's just the luck of the draw. But there are others there with you so there's a mate for everybody.
The whole celebrity worship and comparo shtick is a giant fail. Too many fall into that trap.
Some women look better with some make up.
My ex-wife was truly natural though.
Never even had makeup.
She was beautiful.
The thought of Implants still creeps me out though.
I like any natural boobs over fake.
Maybe it's more of a phobia I have?
1) No I like no make up. If you’re ugly, it doesn’t mean I don’t know what I like.
2) Obviously people have different body shapes and bone structures. Guys just go for the ones we like, women are the ones saying how to I get a butt like her she’s body goals... So you have that backwards.
3) Nope.
Talking about make up, in its self can cause skin problems, also not removing it can be bad for the skin. We all know that there are different body type and some are prone to put weight on easily. This is a problem for guys as well. I have to watch what I eat. Plus Donny usual sessions of exercise at the gym and outside. But some people don't bother saying oh it's my genes. That is no reason, just a lame excuse...
I don't even have make-up and I have quite severe acne. My friends use it almost every day and their skin is flawless.
And you completely missed the whole point of point 2. I don't even know how because it was obvious. Yes, genes can make you unattractive to the unfixable point. That girl is an example for that. She started exercising, got fit, and she still looks bad becaue female attractiveness lies in body shape which you can't change
My eldest daughter was like that , she never used it but the doctor gave her some cream to use it calmed down the flare ups. Even now in her 30s her skin it's ok but still very sensitive to even some soaps...
1. Yeah, everybody who ever had a girlfriend knows this, because at one point they had to wake up next to her and nobody sleeps with their make up on.
2. This is simply inaccurate, while genetics do play a role, not being fat is readily available to everybody (which is already attractive by itself), and you actually can make your hips wider and your butt better through exercise.
3. I think most men who say that are referring to women who look natural, regardless of whether they had surgery or not. If you look good, and like a normal human being not a doll, I personally could not care less if you had surgery or not, and I think many guys would agree with me
Wide hips are bone structure
Doesn't matter, they can be improved in the gym. It's one of the reasons why professional bodybuilders avoid squats for an example, because squats are one of those exercises that make your hips wider.
Shoulder width is also bone structure, but you can clearly see when you look at professional bodybuilders that they have a lot wider shoulders than the average guy, and it's not just shoulder muscles that are bigger.
I gave the example of this girl because I think she is the perfect example of narrow hips. You can see she is pretty fit and that's the highest level of exercising that most people who don't do this for living can achieve. Yet her figure is still unattractive and with narrow hips
Just means she is probably not doing the right exercises. Or she doesn't really want wider hips, or she is using some illegal substances etc. There are many possibilities. Either way, making your hips wider through exercise is possible, plenty of women have done it, its a fact. But hey, if you don't believe me, do a simple Google or YouTube search, and you will find tons of material telling you how to do it.
About makeup, I absolutely prefer a girl without it. I'm simply way more attracted to the skin's natural texture.
About genetics, most people is normal. So the lifestyle they have is what makes the difference. Plus the sexiest girl I dated had no curves or boobs at all.
And about plastic surgery, what looks sexy about the photo you posted is actually how fit the girl is. It's uncommon seeing a girl with plastic surgery which features don't look disproportionate, specially on the face.
Any man who has lived with a female partner knows the makeup argument presented here is BS. I don't know why you think you can keep pushing it. She comes home at night, we WATCH her take off her stupid makeup, she takes a shower and gets into bed. Her face is 3 inches away and occasionally even in direct contact, we know it better than we know our own - and you think it's your job to tell us that this is an illusion and you know better.
The point of this take is valid but some of the points aren’t spot on. While I can see a large majority of people falling into these categories, not all people feel this way. Your title implies that your going to delve deep but you only touch on the surface. Physical appearance is just one thing certain people will have delusions about.
Totally right , when i wear makeup (the no makeup makeup), a lot of men actually approche me (sometimes even harasse me) , but "au naturel" i would still be approached but not like when i'm all dolled up, the amount of attention i get decreases which means that the vast majority of guys do really prefer sophisticated women, don't deny it guys just admit it.
1. Guys are always lying when they say they prefer natural women without makeup. We just don't want to be rude and say "your looks went down 90% there".
2. Bullshit, Guys are attracted to all ages and all shapes and kinds. All races. It's WOMEN that are closed minded to looks.
3. Other than breasts NO. most guys hate those stupid lips and those big fat surgury asses. It's WOMEN who promote them.
I agree, beauty is at least 50% generics, but also healthiness and youth. The girl who lost weight is a perfect example she still doesn't have a perfect body, but I'd give her an 8 for the look (first pic is like a 3), but an overall 10 attractiveness, because of her determination.
When we say we like girls with no make up we really mean it. We'd love some natural beauty, it is an other question that we aren't very good at recognizing it.
1 Want to know if a guy can recognise no make-up from no make-up make-up? Look at his sister
2 many prefer other body shapes. There's even some freaks like me who prefer chubby.
3 Easy to sustain that argument if you take a Photoshopped picture with no comparison
The thing is... the longer and more often you girls use makeup, the worse is getting your skin.
It would be better if u try to work on the health of your skin rather than just paint a new face on your face.
And the last thing is: we guys also got no makeup we also have to live with our red dots or birthmark or whatever...
so please girls put that shit in a trashcan =)
All of my friends who use make up have flawless skin. I don't even have it, and I suffer from quite severe acne
i can understand if u put it on with acne
perfect mytake! Men dont like fake boobs, men dont like make up, etc. Men always complain about things they have no actual idea about.
xD. I love that this is coming to a head. It’s so funny. I bet some girls, obessed with being what guys want, went with no makeup and then got burned.
Too funny.
How can you blame us when the natural makeup literally looks like no makeup? Who thought of that anyway, lol.
Same goes for women and height lengthening surgery on men. Women love it but they dont know you got surgery.
@esotericstory lol. What?
@sarahsummer You said men dont like fake boobs, but women dont like fake height, women just dont know which got height surgery and which guy didn't.
@esotericstory my “what?” Represented WTF is height surgery?(I looked it up) I’m sure I can’t speak for all women but the only aspect of this surgery that would turn me off is a guy being so insecure that he’d undergo hours of psychological evaluation, agonizing pain for months and spend over $100,000 all to feel better about their Napoleon complex and to gain 1-3 inches. It’s not like Lipo or a nose job.
I agree, but actually it is the same as a nose or boob job.
Women who are insecure about there boobs pay thousands of dollars to improve them — if all goes well.
That’s true for any cosmetic surgery.
Their*
@sarahsummer Well equally so a woman insecure about her fake breasts can also turn a man off but he will likely never know it. Same for penis enlargement surgery or something else.
This is actually an interesting issue in ethics. The issue of enhancements.
When is too much too much? Should athletes be able to enhance themselves? What about disabled people?
Is it a mark of insecurity, or ambition? It’s not at all super clear.
@Robertcw Except its not basically the same thing. Not done by a plastic surgeon, its done by an orthopedic surgeon, includes breaking bones, attaching steel frames OUTSIDE the limbs for around 8 months then requiring the patient to turn the screws on the frame a millimeter a day to pull their leg bones apart bringing months and months of excruciating pain. That is NOT like a nose or boob job. But by all means if a guy needs to add 1-3 inches height go for it. It all just seems a bit extreme.
I think it is the same. Nose jobs require breaking the bone often and guess what, they wear a silly looking brace on their face with a swollen black and blue nose until it heals.
The first boob jobs were painful too.
@Robertcw oh, I see. You just need to be right even when the experts say you’re mistaken. Got it. You’re right.
I dislike confrontation, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
I don’t think I’m wrong. I wish you weren’t bitter about disagreeing. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, I just try to give my reasons so it’s clear why I think what I think with my reasons.
Studying philosophy has made me instinctively give my reasons for why I think anything.
@Robertcw I’m not bitter. Sorry if you perceived me to be.
Risking Life and Limb for Longer Legs - ABC News abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=3948348&page=1
Thanks for the link. But here’s what I get out of it: “If all of this sounds a little ‘out there’ or even a bit barbaric, consider this: Forty years ago the thought of sucking the fat out of a woman's thighs wasn't exactly mainstream either.
‘As we become familiar with something, it becomes more acceptable and more routine. … This is safe and effective and it can make a big difference in someone's life,’ said Rozbruch.”
I’m personally 5’8” and while I am not the shortest guy around especially among non-whites, I’m not the ‘ideal height’ either.
To be able to go from 5’8” to 5’11” or 6’0”. Would be a huge change in terms of dating prospects, not because of a lack of confidence but because it’s an upgrade. Just like going from a $40,000 per year income to a $120,000 per year income is an upgrade.
Working high paying jobs requires 60-80hours of grueling high stress labor — arguably more insane than putting metal rods in your legs. No one complains about enterprising and ambitious professionals having a Napoleon complex (even though they probably do; especially if they are trying to keep up with their neighbors).
@Robertcw if you think there’s a comparison between working 60hrs a week and breaking your bones, attaching a steel rod to their outside and twisting a screw every day for 8 months stretching your bones and veins and ligaments one millimeter a day, then, sorry but you are insane.
🤣 Fair point.
you presume to know a lot about what guys think and want.
OK, here's the bottom line. Men hate fake looking women. And there are SOOOO many women today that look fake because of the makeup they wear and "procedures" they had. If you can pull those things off and still look natural, most guys have no problem with it. But we are really tired of fake looking women with big fake lashes, tattooed on eyebrows, obviously heavy makeup, big fake boobs...
Those are called fakes done bad. You love fakes, but those more expensive, well done ones by a good surgeon
I do not love fakes, nor do most guys.
Lol, if you showed me what sluts do you get off to I guess at least one of them is fake.
Are you talking about porn here?
Porn or instagram models or actresses whatever women that I can easily find online that you get off to
What makes you think you know anything about what I or any other guy gets off to?
It's always comical when women try to tell men what they find attractive. LOL
Because we track all the comments men make online about other women and we also track them in real life - which of our friends are hit on and which are not
LOL.. of course you do. Let me explain something to you. Guys will always choose to look at good looking women rather than ugly women, even if the good looking women are fake.
As I already said, the bottom line is that men prefer natural looking women over fake looking women. You can choose to delude yourself however you choose, but those are the facts.
And we're going back to the same point - guys don't like fake looking women but they like fake women. They are better looking than natural women
So, you're saying that all good looking women are fake and all natural women are ugly? Come on now...
No, I'm saying that the majority of the female population is totally average. Nothing to be excited about and nothing unattractive either. So, the ones who are natural aren't chased that much. But those who were lucky enough to afford an operation by a good surgeon look much better (and still natural) than those average ones who they used to be and now are chased by men
What operations are you talking about? If you mean boob jobs, guys are not fans of fake boobs either. In real life, men prefer small natural boobs over big fake ones. Women get boob jobs for themselves, not for men. Men would rather they didn't.
A lot of guys DO know those things. You would have no way of knowing this, of course, but women are actually way way way more critical of women than men are. When guys say things like what you wrote about; that's usually just him replaying what some stuck up bitch told him.
I prefer natural look myself not keen on fatties as I am not and hate big breasts unless woman is tall and size is in good relation to height false breasts look stupid as the cleavage is lost because to big a gap between each breast and some breast enlargements put nipples in wrong place
Some people are pretty full of their delusions think a lot of thing's that rarely aren't the reason why they got rejected or made it.
Think they can talk for a whole gender that they aren't and still think they are right even when they have been corrupted or proven wrong.
People see what they want to see, not what it really is.
1 I seen my girlfriend without make up tons of times and to me she likes better without it
2 don't really about any of that
3 Not a fan of fake woman no matter how it looks if we are dating and I found out that you had surgery that mean you was lying to me the whole time and I will end it
How would she be lying to you? Do you outright ask every girl you see if their boobs are fake or not? What about women who had breast cancer and then got replacements, does that make her fake and a liar too?
@Randomawkwardness How why you ask because that's not her natural body in know I don't outright ask and probably never will
That's a different story but yes it makes her fake and a liar but I would be ok with that
I have a question for you if I had a full head of hair and bean you somehow find out that it was fake was I lying to you the whole time