If a guy fucks a trans women does that make him gay?

[TheUglyMan]

Its gay.

[Anonymous]

That's a matter of opinion.

Here's what I figure. 1) you can ask actual gay men, if they are interested in trans women. They will tell you they aren't. And they have no reason to lie about it.

So if gay men don't feel attraction to trans women, what does that leave?

2) For those who claim the genitals of a person determines whether you're attracted to them or not, I'd say look at Buck Angel and Vaniity, and tell me which one you think a straight man would be more attracted to? Which one of them would a straight man be "gay" for having sex with?

3) Even science hasn't definitely answered the question of gender in the brain. But there is some evidence that trans women do have the neurological makeup of the "wrong" gender for their bodies.

[TheUglyMan]

there's a dick when you fuck its gay.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah I refer you to point 2. Who would you rather fuck, Vaniity or Buck Angel?

[lord_chilled]

Yeah, its gay

[Bliss-taylor]

Well it depends in my opinion. I see nothing wrong with someone not wanting to date trans people, i get it. I couldnt see myself wanting to BE with a transgender man.
However if they look better than a lot of biological women and have had a sex change I dont see why not. I wouldn't think the guy is gay for being with her. He's OBVIOUSLY attracted to women
She's transgender. I'm so jealous of her body.

[TripleAce]

Ok but does she have a dick?

[TripleAce]

this girl/guy is full of operations bro
Nothing is real on him

Take a normal transition as an example. Not someone who has had a shit load of surgeries

And even then. He still looks off. Take off the make up and you can tell something is off

Nothing can make up for a real female

www.pagalparrot.com/.../...ender-model-583x350.jpg

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce in her youtube videos she has no makeup often. Still looks like a girl. She's had a sex change. Thats why I showed her. Biological women could get just as much surgery done so they can be "perfect".

[TripleAce]

but a biological women also needs none to be desirable
I mean there is only so much you can do...
She looked better before... he did

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce I won't argue with your preference. But personally I would not think of someone as gay if they were with someone like Eden. He wouldn't be messing around with anyone's junk and Eden looks and acts 100% like a woman. Whether she had work done or not is kind of irrelevant since biological women would do the same and could look just as done up and even fake. There are very ugly women out there that are not desirable and thats why they resorted to surgery. Edens whole goal is to look doll like. She's not trying to look natural.

[TripleAce]

well because she can't look natural... it's not possible. she isn't a female
so I guess it's a smart move to go all out doll like... at least that way it's hard to tell the difference between other true female dolls vs a male female doll

it's a clever move I guess
like at first glance she will pass for a women - but as you sit next to her and look... you'll notice it's just not

and that's the issue, it's just not
so if you like dresss up a monkey in a female outfit... I'm still banging a monkey

know what I mean
It's just a guys perspective --> she has male everything but a shell that's not... that's male
if she ever has no access to hormones, everything goes to shit

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce You're wrong there are transgender people that can 100% pass. Thats actually an issue some men (probably you included) have with it. Theyre worried they would be take advantage of by transgender people. Also, like I said before. I've seen her many times without make up. she's still beautiful. With absolutly no tells. You would have never known. But we'll just have to agree to disagree about this.

[TripleAce]

not really. cause they all look different... like to me always, none have passed really... like your mind says ya that looks like a girl but something just isn't right

it's not about passing it off 100% as a girl
it's what reality... like it's just not, you can never hide your surgery.. that will always show male all over it, no matter how much you try

so no it will never work for a legit straight guy that likes women only
men that want women... they want female pheromones, a gspot, female cells and sexual reproduction... that's what's makes it hot
why else do so many people have sex and get pregnant , like oops... cause it's so sexy... you'd never have that with this doll girl --> no matter how female she looks on the outside

so diagree all you want - but only a males opinion really matters here about whether she's female like or not... cause we are the ones attracted to not organically

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce lol well a good bit of men out there will disagree with you.

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce i also was not arguing that she's BIOLOGICALLY female. Eden is biologically male. The whole argument was if its gay or not. To me know. What makes a man gay in my eyes is him enjoying playing with someones penis or be being attracted to masculinity. Eden passes. Your opinion is that YOU would be able to tell. But not everyone would. Sorry. They would just think she's a female that has had plastic surgery.

[TripleAce]

oh no lol
they would NOT think she is just a female that had surgery because her vagina is like totally messed up... that cannot be hidden, it's obvious... too obvious
it barely even works the way it's suppose , it's just a shell... of course he can tell the difference

cmon now
ok and fine, maybe if a guy wants to fiddle diddle with her, sure... that's not gay exactly but sure fine lol. we'll accept that cause she looks like a women lol

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce have you seen pictures of surgically made vaginas? Because they can also pass unless it was a shitty surgent. They can use lube. Some biological women can't get wet enough for sex. Not because theyre not turned on either. Its a little more complicated than that. Anyway, there have been trans women sued for having sex with straight men who didn't agree to have sex with someone whos trans.

[TripleAce]

no I haven't
can you find me one... I wanna see

lol

[TheUglyMan]

as femininely beautiful she looks. Where must i fuck her? the ass? there's still a dick

[TheUglyMan]

@TripleAce I've heard of those surgically made vaginas and they cost lots of money. so 99% of trans women won't have them

[TripleAce]

She doesn't look like that really
Like if you check out her instagram. She literally has so much work done and make up thats its doll like. Like a barbie doll
So you'd be like what the hell am i making out with

But i think that extreme helped her case since it allows her to blend in with other strange true female enchanced girls

But you can still tell someoje is off. You can never change that. I have yet to see a trans girl that doesn't look different the more you stare at her. You can dump 2 mil in surgeries it won't change completely

With a fake vagina. Im sure you can tell and notice
Like it will obviously be different

[Bliss-taylor]

@TheUglyMan Eden in the photo above has had a sex change.

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce lol you've never even seen one. Your opinion is going off of an assumption. Google is your friend.
She does look like that. She looks great without make up. Who cares if she's had plastic surgery done on her. Many women do the same. The question was asked about f**king not marrying. So only the way she looks would matter to you anyway. Not whether she's had a nose job and such. Watch her videos instead of doctored and model photos she puts up on Instagram. If you don't want to have sex with her because she's trans thats completely fine. Just stop talking bullshit. You're not making a good argument.

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce also these people who are trans you know theyre trans thats why you think you can see it and not every transgender person is passing. But she passes. you're just being stubborn because of your deeper issues with it.

[TripleAce]

Fine. Ill do her
Happy now

Gosh lol. Ok you got me. Ill put it in

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce lmao

[TripleAce]

How does she sound? Her voice lol
Is it girly?

[Bliss-taylor]

@TripleAce yes. You can go watch her youtube to see what she sounds like.
there's also a transgender named Blaire White on youtube. she's a consevitive commentator, if that doesn't bother you. Also way less makeup but she has had some facial surgery this past summer and breast implants but no sex change. That's why I didn't mention her before.

[TripleAce]

lol
the thing is... on the surface it might kinda work but something just doesn't.. I guess if a girl had that face I wouldn't find her attractive lol. heard her voice to... kinda girly but a bit manly still

the D didn't get hard, swear lol... cause in certain angles it still looks off and my radars are just buzzing lol...
I'd be honest but the D didn't work... and was looking at her in bathing suits

[Hurlyburly]

If thats post-op it doesn't, otherwise it would make him... pan, I think.

[TheUglyMan]

so gay basically

[Anonymous]

Well, at least bisexual... which means most guys are.

[TheUglyMan]

No most guys aren't bi and wouldn't fuck a trans girl

[John_Doesnt]

Yeah, it's totally gay if a guy has sex with anybody who has a penis.

[itsme123456789]

If he fucks her, then less gay that if she fucks him, but I have done it and I am bi so, yeah lol

[Juxtapose]

Well no 100% straight or gay guy wants trans women, so it makes the act bisexual.

[rapfan107]

Yeah cause went play swords cause regardless what sex the other person identifies with, they still have a D

[ladyc_86]

Yes it does, idc what anybody says.

[TJTurner]

If it has a dick then yes.

[ThreeSheetsToTheWind]

Are we talking pre or post-op?

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

No it does not

[TheUglyMan]

there's no pussy? What do you fuck the ass? Its gay

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

No because orginally it was a woman.

[TheUglyMan]

So its gay then thanks

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

No then it would be pansexual.

[TheUglyMan]

if a man gets hard wanting to fuck someone with a penis he's gay

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

Pansexual

[TheUglyMan]

Biologically a trans womens body is mostly male and the penis is there. the question isn't on dating its on sex. Saying pan sexual all the time won't help your argument. Its gay

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

Nither will always saying its gay

[TheUglyMan]

Ok if you fuck a biologically male body its gay.

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

No it is not it is pansexual.

[TheUglyMan]

Because?

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

Because if they are pan they do not care if they are trans or if it is a male or female look it up bitch.

[TheUglyMan]

Lol so they bi is what you saying. Finally jeez. So the act of having sex with a biologically male body is gay. Thank you we are done.

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

No they are not here is the direct definition

pan·sex·u·al

panˈsekSH (əw) əl/

adjective

1.

not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity.

noun

1.

a pansexual person.

There for pansexual

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

😄😊😀😋

[TheUglyMan]

So basically the person is bisexual. there's no difference between pan and bi. Look i get your young and all but let me explain it to you in simple terms. The act of a male getting sexually aroused and having sexual intercourse with another biological male is gay. This is a scientific fact. Im not talking about the sexual orientation of the person here. Im referring to the act of a man having sexual intercourse with another biological male. You could be gay or even bi sexual or even "pan" (which is bi) but the act of a male fucking another biological male is gay. Get it now?

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

I don't feel like fighting right now so whatever

[TheUglyMan]

wise choice

[TheUglyMan]

at least you leave with your dignity

[Emo_Hipster_Cat]

Half because that was a really stupid subject to argue over

[TheUglyMan]

You lost cheers

[Anonymous]

It’s pan.

[TheUglyMan]

so basically its gay

[Opinion Owner]

It’s pan

[TheUglyMan]

If you fuck someone with a penis its gay

[Opinion Owner]

Pan

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[TheUglyMan]

Igf you fuck someone whith a penis you gay. Not pan not everyone who fucks someone with a penis is pan

[Opinion Owner]

The only way someone is gay is if they are attracted to the opposite sex.

In this case the man is sleeping with a woman. Not gay. Trans woman. Meaning pansexual.

[TheUglyMan]

Yes the trans women that have a penis and for the most part is still biologically male so its gay

[Opinion Owner]

Trans WOMAN though.

[TripleAce]

Yes he's super gay

[NiceGuyNumber4]

At least bi

[outside_Toronto]

That's pretty gay

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes sir.

[yeahguy2]

Gay.

[CT_CD]

He's not straight