Is it just me or have men became extremely passive with women?

[Anonymous]

I think men were more aggressive before, and now in this modern age they are just passive. It basically kills passion. What happened? It's so depressing. They keep going on and on about wanting women to take the initiative more, but do they not understand that it's basically against the nature? Yeah, sure, women CAN take initiative, but that's a turn off for most of us.

[Celtero]

Alright... I won't speak for all men, but let me share with you my perspective.

I've literally no reason to believe women want me to aggressively pursue them, and even if I did I really don't want to.

The only girl who ever showed any interest in me was this illegal immigrant who was fat, underage, practically a midget, and had terrible acne, the works. At the end of the day I still suspect she was just desperate for a guy to wife her up so her family wouldn't get deported.
It's not like I'm an ugly gremlin of a man either, so I think it's weird that women act as if I don't exist.

I constantly see women bitch and moan about how men are pigs, and how they hate us for constantly hitting on them, being innapropriate, catcalling, expecting sex, etc.

There's the things women do that seem to only be done to spite men, like making taking the man's last name after marriage an issue. Or how being a housewife is so goddamn awful because you have to be subservient to a MAN. Meanwhile, plenty of guys wouldn't mind being house husbands or stay at home dads but women don't want to be the sole provider because they need to feel provided for yet independant at the same time in a relationship.

Lastly, I genuinely dislike most women, so there's that. Other men are just too blinded by lust and longing for affection and approval to see how dull you are.

[Don-_-Don]

Against nature?
My girlfriend of two years took the initiative and we're still happily togther.
If you're going to get upset on whoever is going to make the first move because of whatever beliefs you have then you're gonna be out of luck.

Or perhaps the reason is you don't want to be the on enduring rejection when you out yourself out there?
Because a lot of men do that and get rejection after rejection and you probably know that and don't want to deal with it yourself?

Don't beat me up, this is just an honest repsond" I mean no offense.

[Asker]

No, it's not about rejection. I've done plenty of initiating myself and got rejected many times, I'm totally fine with that. It's just that it feels "off" when I have to do it. It makes me feel like less of a woman, and the guy in question as less of man. It doesn't create that natural flow of mating.

[Yads_Is_Back]

Because feminism messed everything good up

I'm with you though... I gotta have a man who takes the lead, stands his ground, and is secure in himself. That's more uncommon nowadays than before; it's almost like asking for perfection. But I need that dominance in a man or it's a no-go. These passive simps aren't for me because I'd just feel like I was dating a woman and I don't want that.

Men who are secure and stand against feminism and are not afraid to be men, THANK YOU and keep standing.

[Jamie05rhs]

I'm not a simp, and I don't stand against feminism because I don't see it as something to stand against. I fully support it. What I stand against is a system where women are oppressed. I'm a 21st Century American, and those are where my values lie. If you don't like it, too bad. I'm not going to change my philosophy to please people like you.

[Yads_Is_Back]

@Jamie05rhs Nobody has asked you to change anything.
By the way, I meant modern radical feminism, not women’s rights. If you’re okay with women taking your rights away from you with modern radical hardcore feminism, then yeah I’d say you’re a simp. But that’s your life, not mine. I couldn’t care less if you change your views or not. I’m not a politician; it’s not my job to influence you.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Yads_Is_Back Oh, no- I don't support the feminazis.

[Shamalien]

Lol mzash needs to hear this from you

[Don-_-Don]

@Yads_Is_Back so maybe perfection IS what women desire in a man? That's a idea I've been pondering on for a while.

[Yads_Is_Back]

@Don-_-Don If you consider just taking the lead and being secure as perfection then yeah. I find that nowhere near perfection and it’s only two simple things. But it is becoming more rare.

[ThiccBoai]

And so it might be a turn off for some men when they need to take the first step. It's all about what someone likes. I usually wait until she made a move to make sure she likes me. I do that because I'm curious if she is strong and indipendend and also (and the main reason) I've fallen in love to easily in the past, so I just want to make sure before I hurt myself. But that's my reason why I don't mind the girl taking the fiest step

[Anonymous]

The MeToo movement, simply
How about the kill all men movement

If you look at a woman you might as well just kill yourself before the lawsuit for optical rape arrives

Humanity is only growing because a few places have yet to take up the movement but once that happens, it'll be like a cattle ranch with perfectly genetic breeding bulls sharing many cows and the less than perfect killed and turned into veal
Substitute cows for women, bulls for alphas and veal for betas, you get the drift

[cheapshotbob]

feminst moms and out dated gay moms have done it, teacher there guys too be less manly and more in touch with there selves i know plenty of gay couples that have sons that will hurt you and have that alpha male instinct because they did not follow the new age bull crap. which is why guys act like they do today.

[jahaims]

Their is a lot of societal pressure to be that way now. If you are in. Relationship or starting one I think if you feel that way it would be best to tell the guy you are with you are comfortable with him taking the lead and being more aggressive and that is a turn on for you. It is easy for a man to feel gross or for the lack of a better term "rapey" when we are aggressive in the manner you are referring to.

[Juxtapose]

More guys are scared of harassment claims, femdom is a thing and some guys generally wants a partner who puts in as much initiative as they do.

Personally I find women who expect me to do everything pretty boring. I want a woman who can pin me up against a wall and just makeout with me after I work her up.

[Anonymous]

Blame feminist false victim bullshit and the forced indoctrination they push in the school system. The shaming and attacking of males for everything and anything inherently male. The emasculation of males is the fault of women letting feminist destroy everything male.

[Yads_Is_Back]

YES ^ That’s what the false victim thing is: BULLSHIT. I’m a woman, but I’m not gonna use my gender for me to claim a man did something to me when he didn’t. That’s not even fighting for rights; it’s hate. That’s why when modern feminizis claim it’s all about right I wanna laugh. It has gotten to where women can blame a man for something when he wasn’t even in the same state lol just because he’s her boyfriend, but then she wants to bitch and complain that she can’t get a boyfriend.
The problem there is that men need to tell those women goodbye. Yeah, when you eliminate the crazy feminists like that you’re eliminating the majority in places like America and that gives you less one-night-stands but let’s be real: feminists need to chill the fuck out.
I’m sorry for my rant here, but I’m glad you mentioned the false victim thing because that’s not fighting for rights; it’s hate and it’s exactly what you said: bullshit.

[Opinion Owner]

@Yads_Is_Back Yeah and sadly when men walk away from women like that we also get attacked because they hate being called out for their bullshit.
Any male who says he is walking away from female nonsense gets called a incel.

[Yads_Is_Back]

I have a certain take on that, but this is kind of my opinion, so feel free to disagree:
When I say “walk away” and leave those women alone, I mean THOSE women. I don’t mean go against nature and hate women the rest of your life. Still carry a good heart for nature and sexuality but don’t let a woman run over you. That’s why MGTOW is stupid to me and yes I think MGTOW guys are incels. From what I’ve seen they pretty much are. Because you can work on yourself - which is really just being a man and needs no label - and make smarter decisions and not let women run over you without having a hate for all women and assuming all of us are the same.
To me that’s the big difference

[Opinion Owner]

@Yads_Is_Back It’s not about “hating” women. Most MGTOW males don’t hate women, they hate entitlement and social kid gloving.

I know many MGTOW males. I don’t claim to be one myself. But I get the Philosophy.
I was married and have two kids.
My wife and I mutually separated and live a block away from where we used to own a home. The kids go to the same school and can easily walk to either of our houses.
I do not date and have no interest in dating.
I respect my wife and my daughter and love them dearly but do not feel a relationship is where a man should be. Women generally control a man when in a relationship.
A man loses who he is. He is distanced from his friends and family. There are expectations that he act a certain way.
He is generally shamed or punished for basic male traits and fantasies.
My wife and I have a great relationship as co-parents without the pressures that come with living with someone.

She is free to do what she wants and gets to be who she is and I get to be who I am. Everyone is happier.

The worst thing a female can do to a male is try and change him and cage him.
It will lead to resentment.

[Yads_Is_Back]

You're generalizing. Not all women are that way. That's why MGTOW guys look like incels. Your situation makes sense; you voluntarily don't want to date and don't go with MGTOW. But men who just simply don't want to date just due to interest aren't MGTOW; that needs no label. When it comes to MGTOW, it's about men not wanting anything to do with those crazy women who, like you said, mistreat them and try to control them. That's the man giving up when he could just simply embrace his sexuality and make a smarter decision, be with a woman who is actually worth his time.

[Yads_Is_Back]

It's like if I say all men are rapists and fuck boys and so I just stay miserable because I am against the whole gender of men now. Instead I could just find a good man and be happy :) That's the difference in MGTOW/incels and just being a man.

[Opinion Owner]

@Yads_Is_Back Ohhh the good ol’ NAWALT claim. No where did I say “all women” I specifically said in general multiple times.

[Yads_Is_Back]

That's good. Just saying not all of us are crazy feminazis, that was my point. No idea what NAWALT is, but don't really bother to look it up because it looks like another pointless label like MGTOW. But you got my point, so thanks for your original comment about the victim b. s. That was what I was replying to originally

[Opinion Owner]

@Yads_Is_Back “Not All Women Are Like That” is used so often it has it’s own acronym.

[Yads_Is_Back]

Wow. That’s a shame

[007kingifrit]

part of it is left wing causes making it hard to talk to people in general. so easily offended are the millenial women that there isn't a big reward for it.

but its also your phone, women in particular spend too much time on their phones and they always have their nose in them. how am i supposed to approach someone and compete with their attention for social media

[IAMNathanael]

I think the me too movement has a part to play in that. They're trying to be careful

[Jamie05rhs]

That's not our fault. That's just how we were trained to be. We're only doing what we've been told is correct.

[magiusX26]

welcome to the darker side of feminism and the me too movement.

[AmeerX]

If I take initiative I am not okay, if I let her take initiative again my problem.
Fine with me

[Anonymous]

You can't mhave it both ways. If you want men to feel safe enough to approach women then tell the feminist attack dogs to STFU

[Fuentes]

Feminism and sexual harassment pay attention this is what most woman asked for

[Jakeofalltrades93]

feminism happened