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My girl has this vibrating saddle thing that she cums and cums on.
She also a very large dildo with suction cap. She sticks it to the wall or shower and backs it up on her knees or standing or jus rides it. The best one is when she sticks it to the bed post and goes at it doggy style with my dick in her mouth. Doesn't take me long, I can see it going in her and on the bedroom mirror. So hot
i mean i dont get that movement too much since how can you just say that you are just going to be single all your life or always date casually? not saying that being like that is bad but to decided in a point of your life seems extreme, like im not considering marriage right now but im not saying i won't get married, i think MGTOW is a good mentality for you to grow and be a better you but you have to use that growth at some point or chill, open you heart and meet cool woman
I don't relate to those mgtow guys at all, because they all seem to live the normal consumerist lifestyle as everyone else. If I knew 100% that I would never have sx or fall n love i would probably be a total recluse, or lead a very antisocial lifestyle. The fact that mgtows still engage socially makes me think it's all a troll, or a pose for attention.
I been following it on YouTube for the last few years. I personally have been hurt by a girl in the past and it made realize that I am better off on my own. I have nothing against women but looking back what I went through on my 20's, a lot of what MGTOW preachers I can relate to and apply whatever principles to my life. I truly feel happy though most men who are MGTOW seem to hate women like they are evil.
I’ve noticed a lot of guys in their 30s or above join it because they know they’ve hit the wall but want to point the finger at everyone else.
I’ve been horribly hurt by men. That’s no excuse to say and do what MGTOW and feminists do though.
@Orangesareyummy
What have men done to you?
Things I can’t even talk about. My nightmares and flashbacks are starting subside I’d like to keep it that way.
@Orangesareyummy
I understand.
The mother of my child kept me from seeing my son at the hospital when they were born, after months of saying that I could. Finally to get put on the birth certificate and to get paternal rights, I had to go down, request a paternal test and put myself on child support.. after I did that and filled out all the correct paperwork, the ladies at the office called the mother and said "He's going to have to do more than that" (Maybe because the mother didn't consent to the paternity test or because they were just trying to give me a hard time), so after about a couple months of getting ready to get an attorney, she left the US and hasn't been back in 7 years.. her adoptive parents own a biodiesel company and are loaded, so she hardly needs me. The thing is, if it were the other way around, and if a woman claimed a guy was the father, multiple cops would be sent to my house in order for me to get a DNA paternity test done, but when I want rights to my child, I can't get them.. now I may never see my son again, or at least until he's an adult. Things like this happen often, and trust me, I'm not mad.. I actually want society to pay attention to women more, and to give them more protections and privileges, but it's just annoying dealing with such open.. discrimination might be too strong of a word.. maybe bias. But that bias now has potentially made me lose my rights to my son.
@Saauucy no sorry they can’t do that by law unless you’re very abusive with evidence of abuse. I’d like to hear the court’s side of the story.
@Orangesareyummy Never once even raised my voice at my son's mother!! I was about to say, and I usually do say when I'm telling people this story, that I could understand if I was abusive to her she deserved to get away from me, somehow making it at least a little justified, but that's not the case. We dated for a few months, but because of her mom I kinda gave her space.. but I never ever gave them the slightest reason to do this to me.. I don't care if you do or don't believe me, I'm on a website talking to random people, but I have no reason to lie. I'm a small framed guy anyways who hardly gets angry at anything to begin with, it's just not in my nature. But believe whatever you'd like I suppose.
@Saauucy yeah that’s nice. You’re still following dudes who want women raped and even killed. To hell with you.
The MGTOW's problem is they want to tell, instead of do. That kills it.
Someone who is happily single and living their best life wouldn't be making lots of posts about how much they don't need women or relationships. They'd be busy living their best life. Like the cliche Clint Eastwood character, but imagine instead of riding off into the sunset, he starts trotting off while hollering "I'm living my best life! On my own! What do you guys think?"
Neutral. Long as they aren’t toxic or hateful, no issue.
my issue with them is, Most of the ones i have dealt with are just as hateful and toxic as the radical feminists.. they both give their respective groups a bad name at times.
Yeap sadly :/
I like it’s underlying idea but I can understand why some people are turned off by it. A lot of guys who just got screwed over by the legal system and their wife who used it to stab him in the back because of no fault divorce I can imagine would be pretty pissed and would say a lot of things that they would regret.
Many women see that movement in a bad way, because that means they lose the power sex and more generally being a woman give them over men.
Also, feminism taught them that what doesn't benefit women is bad and should be shamed. Even more if it benefits men too.
It has nothing to do with sex. I don’t like guys who hate me for being female.
@Orangesareyummy Except they don't. Most of them at least. They just want to avoid problems going with sharing their lives with women. Most of them still like women, and many have occasional relationships, they just refuse to be committed.
Yeah sorry they do. Vast majority do. I know what I’ve seen and I know what I’ve read directly from them. Well if they think women are nothing but trouble I’d say that’s definitely a red flag that they have issues with women. But keep sticking up for guys who want to see women raped and couldn’t give a fuck less about you.
@Orangesareyummy So much bullshit in one comment, and your conclusion was just the cherry on top.
Also fun that you're assuming I'm one of them when I'm not, just because I didn't subscribe into your stupid rant.
Maybe you should see why they have issues with women, especially with commitment, but that would mean admitting women aren't perfect angels who can't do any harm, and that something most of you girls can't admit.
Oh I agree women are not perfect by any means. Nobody is. But I don’t go around wishing harm and wanting good decent women to suffer. Same goes for men. I’m very kind and appreciative to good men. I shit on bad men and women.
That’s what happens when you are in a group that generalizes.
@Orangesareyummy The thing is what you call "good men". I've seen that used in very, very different ways.
Some talked about respectful men, and that's it, while other women considered that a good man is a submissive man who do everything they say and give everything they want.
And sadly, the latter is now considered more and more as normal, as "being a queen".
Bye. Society has an overall opinion as to the traits of a good man. I know good men don’t say and do what these bastards do. They deserve what they get.
I will never be okay with men who think single mothers, like myself deserve to be reviled and hated despite why they are single. I will never be okay with men who think women are useless after a certain age because I think aging is beautiful.
I will never stick up for assholes who think automatically j am a slut. That is what that group thinks of us. by the way my first husband died in a car accident. But hey yeah I’m a piece of shit. I doo ok not agree with men who say women who have been raped are no longer worthy of dating. It’s poison and it’s right in front of you. But go ahead and sticm up for men who want to see you suffer.
@Orangesareyummy Keep ranting and assuming bullshit you made up in your mind about me. I don't give a rat ass. You sound as bitter and shitty as those you describe. But go on, keep saying I'm ok with that, when at no point I've said it, just because you think it's a good "argument", when it's just your own hate showing up.
I'm done with people like you who are so manichean that any slight word out of their well-made "good vs evil" boxes makes them mad beyond reason.
Yeah.
Many, NOT all that follow this movement are the selfish angry women hating guys.
Meaning less of them tryin 2 date women. So if they wanna hate women and isolate themselves from us, I'm all for it.
Why do u have to make that a movement like good for u that u don’t wanna date anyone 😭but you’re not special and need a whole movement because of it
Parasite behavior should not be explained because then parasites would no be able to find a host and that's not cool. Your right.
Think I'm gonna make a movement for people who don't like tomatoes
I will also start a movement for those who like cats more than dogs
The point of a movements to change things. Do you believe things are equally fair for both genders right now? If not who puts more effort out? This includes the minimum effort to be dateable and survive well.
@Genkii lmaoooo I’m innnn love cats😭😭
@VanillaSalt the movement is stupid❤️
@Genkii I don't like tomatoes so count me in.
I think women are stupid what’s your point?
@VanillaSalt idc💀
@VanillaSalt The idea that all 4 billion women on Earth are stupid sounds pretty stupid to me. But I guess I'm just stupid, so I wouldn't understand
Sry stupid isn’t the right word... ignorant is the better word usage. It’s just people don’t understand the difference.
@VanillaSalt I'm not mad about the fact you said stupid (or ignorant), but I just don't like when people generalize. Yeah, there are lots of shitty women out there, maybe even a majority, but it's still not all of us. I (and countless other girls) are personally aware of the place many guys are in these days, and I do think it sucks, so I wouldn't call myself ignorant
I would. Nobody is fully understand of any situation even when it happens to them. Ignorance means people act without consideration to the situation. The whole systems set up to produce the best of the best because we’re all animals after all. Women want the best men and men that fail to attract women are left behind. Natures cruel like that.
I believe MGTOWS arnt upset so much because that’s how nature is but because after years building ourselves society conveniently decides to challenge what makes a man and call him aggressive and toxic while at the same time demand more power for women which I agree are underrepresented compared to men. The problem is this under representation comes with special privileges like it being unnecessary for women to work 80 hours a week to support the family, no fault if the family fails as that lays at the feet of the men, biases in both child custody and finances after divorce, and even sexual, physical, and especially mental abuse aimed at men.
A world that pedestals women while beating down men is what we live in right now and men are tired of it. It’s been getting worse over the years and feminism is at the front of it all so feminists are the enemy as far as I’m concerned. Not only do they promote women having more power but also retaining their privileges and beat down constantly on men but they also publicly condemn women whom choose to live in a way men want that is feminine, kind, caring, conservative, supporting, homemakers. Their your enemy yet you embrace them. Or at least it’s not as big an issue as taking your “power” back from the “patriarchy.” You would rather call out men for seeing this bias and then name call them for hating the system.
I hear so often I’m not like that. Then they usually come with kind words while thinking “well poor man can’t handle it. I’ll say some nice words to make him feel better.” It’s like when you say I’m praying for you on Facebook. Such fake and empty words.
You think quitting a stacked game isn’t the answer? If 5 billion men were known rapists but there was 1 single man in the world that wasn’t... you’d still be fearful of that 1 man. Well welcome to the inverse.
@VanillaSalt I've never expressed anything you said... again, generalization, words getting thrown in my mouth... I mean, if men don't want any female supporters, and they're just gonna freak out and enemize (if that's a word) them, and group them in with "the rest", then I guess I won't speak about it or empathize... Yes sir, I will go back to the kitchen and get the sandwich
So have you done anything to help men in anyway? I mean if your a god decent person I’m sure you’ve held the door open for someone at some point or given a dollar to a bum. But have you actively tried to make a difference for men’s rights? If not then your words are fan service. If so I sincerely apologize the world needs more women like you. Hell more people.
And to be clear idc if you like my generalization of not. Because the portion of women that disagree remain silent the shitty part of your gender remain the highly visible and loudest. Until I see a more balanced fight for true equality coming from women not this one sided bull then I will treat all women the same as what men get hit with.
What's the end goal on this conversation though.
Absolutely no point anymore. I’ve said what I have to say and don’t care what else is said... I’m out.
@VanillaSalt I don't know if the convo got either of us anywhere, but good talk 👍 I'm glad we could keep it civilized hahahaha
If they actually stayed out of the way, they’d be better. A lot of them still stalk and harass women online. You seem better than most, though.
Evidence? Show the evidence where MGTOW's are stalking women on line, I'll wait.
How do you think I found out about them? They’ve stalked and harassed me in my own content. Read the comments.
thoughtcatalog.com/.../
You published that article right? That means the public is reading right? It also means the public would respond to it, right? The article was inviting for comments and I see comments basically telling it like it is, complaints etc. But I don't see anything in there that falls under the definition of harassment and nothing that even has MGTOW on it other than what the women wrote themselves. So how does that prove MGTOW's are harassing you?
They followed me to my blog, spammed it and my inbox with some hateful messages and a link that was something about “boycott bitches.” They told me I’d end up a fat old lonely cat lady lol.
Well still, you went public with the article and invited the input and they obviously gave their opinion. If they spammed you you should have reported them as spam that's an option. But on the other hand I can point you to a lot worse things that women have done to men and continue doing it to this day, which is why MGTOW exist in the first place.
My writing is public, but reserve the right to set the rules on my own domain. And there’s certain online conduct I will not tolerate. I don’t ever go to their spaces and bother them. I am on my own mission.
And that may be, but did you state that in your article?
The way I see it, it’s more like a common human decency. However, since it might not be as common as it could be, I might have to implement a commenting policy.
Look dating is a fucking shit show okay I don’t think anyone should be in a relationship tbh there isn’t even a reason for a guy to talk to a woman besides sex which is why I think prostitution should be legal it’s much more fun to be a young single guy with no distractions ( women ) they are a liability you’ll have waaay more fun and money being single fuck a prostitute it’s a real confidence boost
As I see most of the are men who was not successful or hurt by women in the past and just bi**h about it like incels...
Yes, most of them pretend to be for values you described, but there is good feminists there too, unfortunately we only hear from feminazi as other feminists just stay aside and do nothing to shut them up or condemn them and only pick good bits, when it suits them...
Weren’t “MGTOWs” called confirmed Bachelors back in the day.
lol "confirmed bachelor" used to be a term that implied homosexuality, but maybe that's what you were getting at?,,,
I never understood the term to imply homosexuality, as I understood it they were just guys who had no interest in marriage or serious relationships. They just liked being alone, doing things on their own terms and timetables, and being sociable when and with whom they choose.
I don’t like it but I understand why men go down that path. With how often we get screwed over and how we are only considered a value if we proved goods and services to be done then it drives them even further down that path. Plus divorces are expensive as hell and the guy is almost always stuck with the bill on everything
I think people who think they are the only ones who get discriminated against and hated are losers in itself.
That speaks to slot of people then
Yeah anymore pretty much. 3 generations have been raised to be losers unfortunately. Didn’t have anything to do with feminism. More like it was the hippies.
People are just stupid in general
@Orangesareyummy "Because Vagina" is the answer to all men's problems. You don't get to complain "Because Vagina" is the law of the land. A woman punched you in the face stole your wallet you can't do anything but say thank you "Because Vagina". The mighty city of "Because Vagina" stands for centuries as the great city of envy by the commitment of it's serf male citizens. You make it possible. The empress of "Because Vagina" rules with great authority by her loyal army of simps who pray in the temple of "Because Vagina" and are rewarded greatly with your a good friend. There is dissenting conversations of men going their own way building sex robots stray far away from them they are the heathens of our great any glorious "Because Vagina" religion. You will be excommunicated from the church of ""Because Vagina" if you dare utter the unholy words of those men. Keep being a simp don't think about sex robots. Awomen (Amen). Thoughts funny butthurt you could add to the story and make it a book series. I really would shh my pants if a woman actually made this a full 100 pages.
They are funny.
I watch sometimes their channels for entertainment. Usually guys who go their own way have hobbies, like fishing, hunting, creating things... and don't bother with dating and marriage.
However majority of those MGTOW guys just talks about their obsession focused solely on evilness of girls. I guess this is the stuff of people which made in medieval very avid inquisitors and wood collectors for the witch pyre.
Why not. They sound like feminists. They are looking our for themselves and focusing on their careers instead of getting mixed up with family and relationships. This is probably a good thing. Less children will save the world because it is over populated. Less relationships are good because men and women dont get along anymore. We need to find a way to spread this to the rest of the world so that they dont bury us in their disgusting overpopulation
I don’t care for it, men can do what they want as long as it’s legal
Mostly good.
Fundamentally, the principles of self-ownership and independence do put people on the right path. Granted, people just starting that journey are often hateful, but what's important is that the end of that road is in a good place.
MGTOW is the other side of feminism. It exists as a result of feminism.. I have zero respect for both.