What did you think about the solutions presented at the end?
What do you think about the MGTOW movement?
What did you think about the solutions presented at the end?
It is men who have "given up" and fleeing from Western women. Many things in Western Culture have caused that retreat and many men have come to feel that pursuing a relationship is not worth the time, effort, emotional investment and financial expense.
But Your Own Way can be much different than a retreat. It can result from a cost/benefit analysis. When I was single, I "shopped around" locally and found nothing that appealed to me. There was far to much Woke political baggage to trudge through and lawyers and government had made Western women simply unworkable. All they offered was a pussy and a paycheck with no guarantee as to how long that would last before the fireworks started.
I got the impression that they were well decorated land mines that could explode, ruining my life and career, at any time with no reason except revenge against Testosterone and personal gain. That's when I evaluated recruiting from off-shore; The Orient and Latin America, where women were not poisoned by Western culture.
I presently have an East Asian woman sleeping in my bed waiting for coffee. I went my own way and feel like I am cheating fate every day.
That’s pretty much how I feel as well. Western women aren’t dateable but other women are.
White and middle eastern women are the worst. Stick to hispanic and Asian.
White and middle eastern women are the worst. Stick to hispanic and Asian. They have not yet consumed all the woke garbage that makes white and Iranian women intolerable.
@RichieSmith Unfortunately I live in an area that is exclusively western white women. But believe me, I look forward to the day I can leave them behind
@WhiteBoyChill but if you can find a conservative White woman you might be good. They dont exist here in California. I am planning to leave this state sometime soon
@RichieSmith I’ve convinced myself it is impossible to find such a type. Even the religious southern women I’ve heard still hoe around.
If you're a young dude... take the damn red pill. You'll get raked over the coals just for living with a woman. She manages to get pregnant by you by digging a condom out of the trash can... you are fucked and you're paying after that. These are just straight facts... cry about it all you want... not my problem. Stay with her a certain amount of years, you're paying alimony. It's this way in every western country. What if she just accuses you of some shit you didn't do... dumbass, don't do anything alone with a woman. It's harsh advice but take it. Better than spending years in jail or paying out the ass.
Keep in mind... payments... go to the government first then to her and they take a cut. So you'll pay $500/month... she'll get $400 and then after she's bought her girly stuff or drugs... the kid might see something. The government is making this all happen and they're getting paid. The laws are just set against you as a dude... don't fuck with it and don't think things will work out for you just because of what you think is right and wrong. The world/gov doesn't give a shit about you.
Females... what should I say to you? You have friends that do this shit on purpose. You might do it.
I am starting to worry about getting to old to start a family since I started my 30s
I got lucky... sort of. I had to deal with cheating but now I'm just stuck with a woman. Purple pilled I guess. She does all the working and I don't work on purpose, the reasons are in line with everything I said prior. If we split, I'm going to make sure I'm the one getting paid. This is harsh reality. My best advice for you is to look into a woman outside of the system... but also realize if you bring her back to a western country, it won't talk long for her to assimilate into playing you for money.
They are the same as incels with the exception that they with their motto should leave women alone. So a better variant of incels if it would be this way. But sadly thats not really the case. They speak how they evolved into not needing women anymore and than ironically their biggest topic ever is... right women!!! So if they would actually do what they preach than fine I am great I dont have to deal with them but in the end its just another misogynistic group. Dont start telling me how their movement is different because like I said if they actually practice what they preach they would be fine but they are not even doing their main motto right.
Their main goal actually is to spread awareness to these issues in hopes of change and to recruit more men. Those MGTOW youtube channels have 95% of their viewers being male. They stick together and move as a unit to constantly expand
@RichieSmith It looks to be a combination of awareness prevention and justice. The discussions seem very similar to what would take place at places such as alcoholics anonymous or some other addictions where they talk and share their own experiences to others to allow them to see the outcomes in hopes to help other avoid making their own mistakes in a male space.
@SpokenTruth This actually sounds great. I could understand why this is needed and would support this. my experience with self proclaimed MGTOW members is sadly different though.
What you are experiencing is an outcome for every action is a reaction. You have to not only ask yourself if the claims are true, you have to prove the how's and why's too. You have to dig deep to find the answers. Once you find the answers to rather the claims are true or not proven or not, then move on to the who's and what's who and what caused those things to happen. Where did feminism come from? Who caused it to happen and what happened then you dig deep until you have a commonality that ties everything together the root of it and who. You must first ask yourself are the claims true, if they are then no amount of attempts to fix something that's messed up through denial or covering it up will ever work it never has and it never will. You have to get to the truth that would fix it and go from there.
@SpokenTruth @SpokenTruth Ok my action was to write an article about incels being banned and even prosecuted because they haresed, threatened and even stalked women. It was in context of an online lecture by a state official. Note: I never even mentioned MTGOW, is was purely about self proclaimed incels and literal online and offline criminality.
The reaction was an email to my work Adress and I give you a translated quote *TRIGGER WARNING!!!*: "As a member of MGTOW I have to stand by my fellow men! When these cunts dont give the men what they deserve you have to manup and take what it yours. If they dont give you sex than men have to take it. I hope you let your vagina be used everyday. Dont write this shit again or I will take care that it will be used! And believe me you will bleed more than once per month after I am ready with you. (... than a few bullshit arguments, that I will not write down and some personal stuff that would destroy anonymity and lead to my person. It ended with...) Let me be clear I know where you life and when you do this shit again I will fuck you until you learn to not do it again. It will be as hard for me as for you but as as a member of MGTOW I can't let my fellow men be left alone." quote end.
I have more of those. I just can't publish them all because some are still in ongoing investigations and I was advised not to publish them as that will only trigger more. This by the way. was one of my least harmfull rape threats I have received. Things like this are scary and I had a long talk with the police after and without my fiance and my editor I would probably have stopped writing and let them win. This is terrifying and it leaves marks on you. Rarely do I talk in person about feminism or incels at all when not in a group because I am scared someone will take this and make it real. I try not to write about such things because I always get some of these mails and most of the time the police can't do anything mostly because they can't find the person. Sometimes they find them and it is outside their jurisdiction and only once were they successful but it was a minor and he wasn't prosecuted and it only made his parents life harder.
Yes its one example and there are maybe better people and the same can be said about every extremist but when you are yourself as affected by them as I am, it is hard to see them in a different light. I tried to never write about these things with my account without going anonymous here but I can't change it now.
Firstly I don’t know who wrote that to you however what’s easy to see is that whoever it was they are not a MGTOW to begin with. INCEL’S are not MGTOW’s despite the bogus claims others make and their attempts to tie INCEL’S in with MGTOW the very acronym MGTOW stands out for all to see Men Going Their Own Way.
Therefor they are not a MGTOW it’s so easy to see it
I will ____ you until you learn to not do it again. It will be as hard for me as for you but as as a member of MGTOW I can't let my fellow men be left alone." quote end.
They can not be a MGTOW.
@SpokenTruth I never met a MTGOW member in my whole life. I do have one question: Why do people easily accept this way around, that either these people are not MGTOW and you have to believe me. On the other hand when someone I dont consider a feminists says that they are a feminist and shouts stupid misandristic opinions its definitely a feminist because she says so and my opinion on her doesn't matter because she says she is a feminist how could I say no to that?
Its literally the same situation somehow one not feminist can destroy the public opinion of the whole movement while one not MGTOW is just tossed aside by everyone. Not against you you seem fine. Maybe the first self proclaimed MGTOW person who isn't hateful towards me.
MGTOW advises other MGTOW'S to remain anonymous as being MGTOW and the reason is society is against MGTOW. For example you could enter a simple search of MGTOW and the first thing that would see in the list are outright lies that go against MGTOW.
@SpokenTruth The last thing seems similar to feminists. I mean I can understand it and would support this but if thats the case than there are so many people claiming to be MGTOW while just trying to justify misogyny.
I may see it as misogyny, however have you actually listened and examined any of the claims they present? I can honestly say I haven't heard anything yet that I can recall that doesn't add up. The claims easily add up to misandry. I have a lot of video evidence or the links to them anyway and there's articles too that point to misandry. The system and society have been against men for many years it's only gotten worse and that was the reason I quit dating never married or had children.
That was suppose to say You may see it as misogyny. The typos is the perfect example why gag should allowed editing or at least I think so anyway.
Their "movement" is an absolute joke. They'll go on and on and on about how "we don't need women in our lives", and that "we've moved beyond that, we've walked away and now we're free and independent", and yet their favourite topic of conversation on these online sites is... wait for it... women. :D :D :D
They haven't "gone their own way" at all. They're just the male equivalent to the bitter and vindictive feminist who blames men for everything.
From what I see they do that so they can convince other lost men to join them. They are constantly trying to expand their movement and as people do, they love talking about things that make them happy or have made their life better. MGTOW channels on youtube are 95% male viewers and subscribers
@RichieSmith But that's just it; it's obvious from the comments they make that they're NOT happy. They're all miserable, vindictive, outraged and clearly hate ALL women simply because their relationship (s) failed.
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I think it's great, but it's a bit of a joke. Basically, you have a bunch of men who are unwanted/unattractive to women, who are then responding to the rejection by saying "we're not available". Well, okay, power to you, but the only reason you are "unavailable" is because your feelings were hurt that no one wanted you to be available, or cared. It's a little boy at a party being ignored, then decides out of self-respect he's going to take the gift he bought (that no one wanted) and go home.
It's good for people to have self-respect, so for that element, it's great. Also, it removes a bunch of men from women whom the women are trying to avoid anyway. You don't have a bunch of attractive, sought after men joining the MGTOW. It's not like women are knocking their doors down, flirting with them, begging them to have sex, and these guys are saying, "Sorry, love. I'm part of MGTOW. Looks like you'll have to get your vitamin D somewhere else." Men who are attractive to women and getting female attention don't consider joining MGTOW, at least not on a permanent basis. Some might decide to be celibate for a bit as an experiment in focus and discipline, but that's different.
I watched a little of the video, the girl was cute. But 22 minutes was too long for me to bother with it. I did skip around a bit and agree with her that "MGTOW" is a misnomer for a group of men who spend heaps of their time complaining about women and having conversations revolving around women. That's not "going their own way" at all, which would mean not worrying about or focusing on women at all.
MGTOW is, in the end, VERY good for men. However, MGTOW is – a process.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot. And a lot of female readers or viewers or onlookers can find this a bit unsettling, and understandably so.
But the next step of MGTOW is for men to develop one's own talents, one's own skills, one's own hobbies. And not doing any of this because the ladies might like it, but for its (and their) own sake., because it makes them better men. And once the men have achieved this, they are much better off, even in terms of attracting and relating women. Perhaps especially in terms of that!
But the key point is that men have to do this for themselves, and motivate themselves to do this for themselves, not for any woman (although in the end, that may happen too). And focusing upon and developing themselves IS a good thing.
gotta love the haters who deliberately misinterpret its message to make themselves feel better. all the feminists and white knights alike wanna pretend they have absolutely no fucking clue with what's going on with the toxic behavior of modern women but when MGTOW points out these behaviors, apparently they are the toxic ones.
and lmao @ the shame tactics they employ
they expect men to go back to the plantation to become sacrificial lambs for women who hate him, cheat on him, falsely accuse them of rape and domestic violence, steal from them in divorce court. etc. if we flipped the genders around, feminists would be fucking screaming but we all know deep down feminists aren't for gender equality.
it's perfectly fine to shame MGTOW but heaven forbid you shame a woman for being strong and independent, needs no man and doesn't want kids.
There comes a point when the only honest thing to do is admit the game is rigged against you and walk away from it. Few even have the emotional honesty to start the process- and fewer still have the honesty to finish it. Realizing that you've been lied to your entire life would make anyone angry, but most of those I've dealt with (most of those who claimed membership, at least; those who DID move on were likely just quieter about it) never move past the anger.
They decry women as being responsible for the state of a society that was well underway when they were born into it, and they cast blame and aspersions just like the Feminists do. These men may be more forewarned, but I doubt most of them are any happier for it.
If that's a personal choice that men make en mass, their life their choice.
But as a *community*, the most vocal (and maybe the most in number) are just there to validate themselves and each other.
Now, I understand women feel negative emotions more frequently then men, and need positivity in their lives from people who understand, and I don't. But too often when people do this their negative qualities are excused or justified by people who share them.
This is what I see in the MGTOW community.
It's definitely good to be cautious about relationships. MGTOW simply recognizes the societal power imbalance and thinks opting out of relationships is the wiser choice. There are a lot of ways they can do this though. Some look for relationships abroad, others simply avoid women, some are open to relationships if the conditions are right, but think that pursuing them is no longer worth the hassle. Others still seek to be free from their own sexual desires.
Each one will give you a different answer.
The movement for Max Gross Take Off Weight of aircraft? I think it's good but it's going to result in higher taxes to pay for improved runways.
I used to worry about things like Max Gross TO weight, max landing weight, min full fuel weight, etc... not so much anymore.
@KrakenAttackin... why not anymore?
I haven't flown in years.
Just what I have noticed from my admittedly limited interactions:
The good: warning men of the potential pitfalls of marriage and even living together under modern laws, and an emphasis on getting finances in order, personal advancement, things like that.
The bad: AWALT (All Women Are Like That) and other such collectivist nonsense. Too many talking about going their own way while spending most of their time hating all women because a few messed them up. That is a bigot mindset, not an enlightened one.
I have zero issues with men, and women for that matter, who want to live on their own terms and not have to care or worry about anybody else.
But DO NOT claim you are “going your own way,” when spend you time online bitching about women.
That really works against the claim that you are “going your own way.”
It just feels good to vent. Lets all the frustration out
When I feel like I'm getting too fat to date I go my own way for a while.
Then I start jogging so I can attract women again.
As far as avoiding marriage goes, I'm still married to the last one legally so any new ones would have to pay for my divorce first. Then I have a strict rule that any woman i date should have more money than me so I have nothing to lose.
I think it's a natural movement given the decay of females, the hostility towards heterosexual males in the courts and media, and success of feminist in destroying the family system.
Men have no way to fight back except to walk away and seek their own peace -of-mind. Any objective person can see this is reasonable.
I think its a good thing. Women just aren’t worth the trouble anymore.
But I still see so many delusional guys these days struggling to get women and I just can’t understand why they waste their time when its easier to just chill tf out. I mean women offer no value anyway so why should I try and be that chad who’s got game?
There’s simply no point unless you’re a guy who just wants regular sex.
Nothing at all. They're insignificant. Didn't even know what they were until I was on this website. Neither did my husband, and he usually knows about silly social outcast groups like that.
I think MGTOW sprang from a simulation that was done by a supercomputer when all the data was entered in about finding, maintaining and keeping a relationship with a woman and here was the results it concluded. 😆😆😆
A bunch of men that want to blame women for their own failures in life…
but mostly don’t give people like that much thought at all
Did you glimpse at the video? The girl is hottttttt !!!
@loveslongnails I’m not into girls😊
You don't have to be into girls to appreciate a good looking woman, do you?
I find the movement very sad, but I understand why it is happening.
Men are tired of women being profoundly abusive people.
I don’t know what’s MGTOW and I don’t care to know anything about what’s happening in America.
you guys need to stop this woke shit it’s getting annoying
Blame our elites.
Wherever you are from the same global elite rule over you as well.
It's reasonable for a man to separate himself from an abusive mother, ex, etc, in fact, he should for his own sake. But I don't think it's fair to disparage women as a whole just because one (or more) was shitty to him.
Just men too shy to admit they are insecure around women, but too masculine to admit they like men.
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