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Straight men love women so if a man hates a woman for whatever reason, he’s simply gay and too afraid to come out of the closet. My real question is, why don’t you guys just come out? You won’t have to openly hate women anymore because you openly love men instead. It’s 2023, we will accept you!
This is confused. There are many potential good reasons why a specific man might hate a specific woman and many of those just don't pertain to gay guys. But also many that do - recently I listened to a gay guy's visceral hatred of a specific woman and he had good reasons for that hatred.
It is completely incorrect that gay guys hate woman in general. They wouldn't have fag hag friends if they did. They just don't get erections over female bodies.
That I and all straight men do get erections over female bodies just means we are favorably disposed to women for the dopamine hit you give us. Love is an overly strong word to describe this.
I would imagine childhood trauma where a woman is the cause of is one of the biggest causes. That alone would produce misogyny at worst, however. I think fear of women instead would be the most likely result. I think those who cry misogyny intentionally include that as a part of the definition.
There is also a big difference of what I hear referred to as "not hating the player but hsting the game". I bet that if all the predatory divorce laws and if sexual crime and domestic violence became gender neutral again instead of being specifically male only, a lot if not all of this tension between the sexes would vanish overnight.
Everyone has trauma at some point in their lives. That’s no excuse to claim to be straight yet continue to clearly have no attraction towards women. My question is why bother pretending? And what do you mean predatory divorce laws and domestic violence? Men commit more violent acts towards women than women do on men. Are you saying women should commit more so we can finally have equality? Also, women make a lot of money these days (if you’re unaware) so “taking half” in marriage is laughable these days. If a husband has no money and wants to take half, that’s his right. Im unsure what decade you’re living in
>That’s no excuse to claim to be straight yet continue to clearly have no attraction towards women.
The attraction towards women is purely instinctual or biological. If such a thing can be changed, it'll take a lot of conditioning. Whatever reason they might have to be misogynistic (if such a label was truly placed), it is not synonymous with lacking attraction to them.
>And what do you mean predatory divorce laws and domestic violence?
I should have said one sided, as I think that fits the description better. Let's look at how the FBI defines rape for example. Prior to 2013, it was defined as "the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." After 2013 and to this day it means " penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
Notice how both of these definitions are specifically defined for it to be very difficult for a woman to commit rape. As far as the FBI is concerned, a woman having her way with a man who is passed out drunk is not rape as far as the FBI is concerned. If anything the man would be the one who is charged.
>Men commit more violent acts towards women than women do on men.
Here is another example with a very similar issue in terms of domestic violence, the Duluth Model. It is a model that is used to help battered women and rehabilitate male abusers. One of the biggest criticisms it has gotten is that it never entertains the possibility that the women could have been the abusers and yet it became the go-to model for many jurisdictions. Weirdly enough, the creator of the model, Ellen Pence, agreed with this saying: "By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a conceptual framework that, in fact, did not fit the lived experience of many of the men and women we were working with. [...] Speaking for myself, I found that many of the men I interviewed did not seem to articulate a desire for power over their partner. Although I relentlessly took every opportunity to point out to men in the groups that they were so motivated and merely in denial, the fact that few men ever articulated such a desire went unnoticed by me and many of my coworkers." Though this admission was made, there does not seem to be any change to this model to this day.
My point is, with all of these one-sided progams and laws, how can you be so sure that men commit more violent acts towards women than the other way around? Here's a study from the American Journal of Public Health saying "Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases." ajph.aphapublications.org/.../AJPH.2005.079020
> Are you saying women should commit more so we can finally have equality?
No. I am saying that laws and programs based on domestic and sexual violence should be gender neutral. I assure you it won't because I'm sure it'll reveal things that defy the feminist narrative, otherwise I do not think they would make it that way to begin with. They want the sexes to hate each other.
> Also, women make a lot of money these days (if you’re unaware)
Oh I am aware alright and it is coming with a lot of consequences that many women might need to face a harsh reality of, especially if they want to be in a family. Let's just say that their dating pool will be smaller the more money they make.
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>so “taking half” in marriage is laughable these days.
Ok so why keep it around? If it is so laughable then let's do away with alimony, child support, and everything related, especially if there is no reason given for divorce.
>If a husband has no money and wants to take half, that’s his right.
I disagree. Divorce should only leave everyone with what they had minus what their ex brought in. If you choose to leave someone, you leave EVERYTHING about them behind.
> Im unsure what decade you’re living in
2020s but this issue is at least several decades old.
He’s not a homosexual. He just sucked at handling rejection and is throwing the longest temper tantrum ever, hoping that some woman will prove him wrong. His attitude will run off the women rather than give us something to challenge
m Straight men don’t necessarily love women. They just the physical appearance, and process of having sex with women.
Saying that a guy must be gay just because he is an asshole doesn’t make any sense.
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People dont choose who they are attracted to and Within the context of sexual attraction (and only sex) men see women as objects. They are sexually attracted to body parts (breasts, butts, hips, faces, etc) and curves. This belief is also acknowledged by women to some extent by a the terminology a woman giving their body during sex. Opponents of prostitution claim that men use women's bodies as sex objects rather than women providing a service. Men can separate sex from love and connection. They can be sexually attracted to a woman they don't like, respect, or connect with. Hopefully that helps.
If a man not gay then it likely a love-hate relationship, also he can hump and dump women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love%E2%80%93hate_relationship
Hmmm hump and dump? Any misogynist loves a good random hole but why don’t they seek romantic partners whom they are emotionally attracted to? Like their bros for example. They have holes and only one X chromosome. Doesn’t that just sound like a misogynist’s dream come true? For real though, if you don’t care about the opinion of the girl you’re sleeping with but care deeply about the opinion of any man (you wish you’d sleep with), then I’m sorry but sweetie… you’re not really attracted to women. Just brainwashed by the patriarchy that you must be straight no matter how much you hate women
A straight man can't hate women? It makes no sense. Straight man just means the person is sexually attracted to women, that include a lot of rapists and pedophiles out there. Often times it's precisely this physical attraction that led straight men to objectify women.
It seems like the main idea is being overlooked here. The issue isn't about men being gay; rather, it's about straight men feeling resentful due to negative experiences with women.
Is your head really that far up your ass that you can't see the ridiculousness of your question?
You’re 30 years old and don’t know what a misogynist is? Yikes bud. Maybe walk around outside, join an activity. Finding a new hobby that doesn’t leave you inside on a computer all day might gain you some life experience
Lol I must be a fruit loop than because I hate a shitload of women besides my wife. Man after all these years I finally realized that, thanks for guiding me to the light. Now who to blow first? lol
there are feminists who marry trump supporters. make that make sense.
Bruh the patriarchy has everyone brainwashed. I’m also curious about that issue, but let’s strive to solve one dilemma at a time. Do you have an opinion or what
lol the patriarchy doesn't brainwash anyone and it's upheld by women anyway. they are the ones selecting for men who are taller than them, stronger than them, tougher than them, wealthier than them, of higher social class than them, more confident than them etc. and often men get more blame for when shit goes wrong therefore leadership is expected from them which means women are voluntarily putting men ahead of them (at the ones deemed attractive anyway) which is a small percentage compared to the vast majority of average and below average who don't qualify for the unrealistic standards women place on men.
at the end of the day, feminists are still women and their biological brain is telling them to be attracted to certain traits that male Trump supporters exhibit. like it or not, Trump is tough-minded, confident and competent and his followers take his traits as an example which women find attractive even if Trump himself is not physically attractive.
You make good points and I understand where you’re coming from, because women feel the same way about men. Women also feel that men only like a certain type of woman (weak, quiet, petite and super short with long shiny hair and makeup). We feel that exact way. And unfortunately I disagree with your opinion that women control the patriarchy. Women don’t have any constitutional rights babe and we’re losing what little rights we have every day. I’m sure if you go out in the world and meet more women with diverse opinions and experiences, you’ll find that most women hate bigots and find them repulsive. We want someone to love us not view us as beneath them. If a woman is married to a trump supporting bigot then you know for a fact it’s an abusive relationship and she is trapped. Who in their right minds wants to be oppressed and treated like an object? That’s why I say women who actively support misogyny are brainwashed and need help
the "patriarchy" isn't being held together by constitution. it's simply mother nature doing it's work. throughout most of history women gravitated towards kings, emperors, warlords etc. soldiers, merchants, peasants were lucky to get any women. slaves got none until they fought back and disposed the current ruler and the cycle continues.
it's only a few decades where socially encouraged monogamy through marriage meant everybody could be happy. today feminism has allowed women to show how they really feel about men and have reverted back to ancient times, nowadays only hot guys, tall guys, rich guys get the most girls, average guys need to have luck on their side and tread carefully to get one and below average guys get none. capitalism has simply been applied to men while socialism is applied to women.
men don't really have an archetype of woman they are attracted to because throughout history men are less picky and would procreate with any woman that allowed them procreate whereas women were more picky due to pregnancy and limit themselves to a certain archetype of man. ancient statues and paintings are proof of this, men had to be tall, buff etc. women didn't and today you don't have to have the qualities you listed nor look like a Victoria Secret model or a Kardashian to attract a man nor are big boobs and big butts a requirement otherwise Asian women wouldn't so high up the list of a lot of men. the requirements for a woman to attract a man ain't as high as that of the requirements a man needs to attract a woman.
as far as the whole Trump supporters are abusive notion goes, that's only based on assumptions. not everyone who votes for Trump is like Trump. plus there are female supporters of Trump like Candace Owens who is far from being oppressed and treated like an object. Trump has had multiple wives throughout his life and his daughters stick up for him. he's not as "misogynistic" as the liberal news media is making him out to be
Okay sir.. the constitution does uphold the patriarchy because women aren’t part of the constitution. Women were forced to become concubines for emperors and kings and I’m sure if they had any choice of their own, they wouldn’t choose to be a hole for an old man. Also, kings and empowers only chose the most beautiful CHILDREN to impregnate.
And you wanna choose the kardashians and models? Okay! Have you seen the men that the kardashians go for? They are extremely average and even could be considered below average. Victoria secret models are dating men like decaprio who is very aged and on the verge of creepy. Maybe it’s for clout but even so not a great argument for you. Beautiful women go for “unattractive” men because those men give respect and get divorced when they act like assholes. Up until recently, arranged marriages have become unpopular because women have been granted the privilege of having their own choice, something men have had since the patriarchy began and women became oppressed. I your arguments may seem valid but only to those who are ignorant boys who are involuntarily celibate.
Maybe if you stopped hating women and became knowledgeable about womens struggles and oppression, you’ll be viewed by women as a gentleman and a Victoria secret model will want to share a life with you.
perhaps you can point to me where it says in the constitution that the "patriarchy" is to be upheld. you may think men have it better in society than women but that's only the apex fallacy. the vast majority of men throughout history were losers and never passed on their genes and by the standards women place on men today, most men would be considered losers for being too short or working blue-collar jobs etc. standards which a lot of women can't meet themselves
in the past sure some women may have been forced to become concubines when their country was invaded and the native men were slaughtered but they still willingly submitted whereas men would rather die with honor than surrender. a prince is still more attractive than a peasant. there's no forcing going on here. just like a rich jock is more attractive than a broke gremlin. women did have choices back then, more so than the slaves who were forced to build the pyramids or the statues and temples.
"Maybe if you stopped hating women and became knowledgeable about womens struggles and oppression, you’ll be viewed by women as a gentleman and a Victoria secret model will want to share a life with you."
this is completely irrelevant. I am debating facts here. you are debating with your feelings. you are trying paint of false narrative that women have it worse than men today and throughout history when both men and women suffered greatly. even the kings and queens of medieval times were living in shitty conditions compared to NEETs on government paychecks.
Okay? We’re not talking about the industrial revolution babe, we’re talking about how men view women as objects. Everything I said was historically accurate. You’re the one who got your feelings hurt and wanted to start changing the subject to medieval bathrooms
Some people just dont appreciate 50/50 in relationships they think that controlling someone won't make them look elsewhere
That's not true, many misogynists see women as objects to use.
So they aren’t attracted to humans. Gosh why won’t these men just come out already!
Because they use women for sex, they don't have to like them. I'm demisexual so I don't understand it but I'm not a misogynist either.
I definitely agree.. but at that point… they’d have sex with anything then.. the only gender they will allow themselves to consider sex with is women, and these kinds of men have to view these women as objects (how others describe here) and a lot of times, hurt that woman or make her uncomfortable. Why dehumanize what you’re attracted to? There has to be some kind of deeper issue. They could be closeted (I think I’m most cases) or just psychotic and sadistic. I think it’s time to start accepting men and allow them to be vulnerable and comfortable enough to express themselves so they can stop hating and tormenting others for a temporary ego boost
That would make sense if gay men hated women, but I haven't found that to be the case.
Most. men who hate wo. en do because they have been used and taken advantage of financially
That’s fair… but why would they become misogynists from that? I have some pretty rough experiences and can get angry at the patriarchy but that doesn’t mean I’m going to hate that guy I like and make sure he knows I think he’s a born loser… men who like women don’t act in life that they hate women, especially to those women he might want to date. I believe men who do this simply aren’t sexually attracted to women and that’s why they are quick to be disgusted. They think that they must be straight because a patriarchal society says they must. Very unfair
Most are closet gays.
They don't hate women, they just hate you.
Sick burn bro!! The LGBTQ community support you babe! Go off!
The Nazis hated everyone. They hated Jews, Christian’s, BIPOC, LGBTQ, gypsies and even other Germans. Are you sure you’re not the Nazi?
Sir, you clearly don’t know much about the history of politics. I suggest you stop displaying yourself as an idiot online
So you are pro hitler but hate gay people? But you compare gay people to hitler? And I’m the dip shit? Okay troll
You truly are a dipshit. You probably fly your little Ukraine flag next to your gay flag on facebook... There are the Ukrainians you support. Notice the SS symbol and the black sun... Notice how they are carrying out a cathedral of light ceremony in line with Nazi culture. Those are your boys. Hitler was a fag just like you. That's why I referenced a history book for you to read. God fucking read it moron. You can read right?
https://youtu.be/pHIO-appPac
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