What's up with guys nowadays they keep preaching about the " top 20% high value men " thing?

[Anonymous]

I keep seeing that shit under pretty much everything on every platform... especially here on Gag lol. Are most guys now losers with no personality or something? do they realize when they're preaching about that hierarchy that they're in fact calling themselves unattractive and under acheiving, basically worthless.. then they shouldn't be surprised or bitter if no woman wants them because it's fair lmao... why would she leave a man who's better than you ( confirmed by you lol ) to get with you? freaking idiots smh

[inhua]

there's truth to the top 20% or at least a number close to 20%. this is about stating facts, stating facts won't change women's attraction because attraction is biological not political.

historically speaking humanity has far more female ancestors than male ancestors. this means a vast majority of men never reproduced or had sex because there are no birth control back then

kings, emperors, warlords were at the top. soldiers, peasants and merchants got some. slaves got nothing

the bottom 80% aren't necessarily underachieving. according to women they are underachieving whether they be plumbers, electricians, garbage collectors etc. only because they're not lawyers, doctors, pro-athletes, CEOs etc.

the bottom 80% of men are the ones whom face most of men's issues from divorce to false rape accusations to paternity fraud to homelessness to suicide rates to fatalities to having their issues ignored etc.

[Billlewis]

We keep hearing about how 90% of women are having sex with 10% of the guys, so we want to learn how to become part of that group.

[_Maya_]

Completely agree that it is a bunch of garbage the whole high value this and percentage that. It simply isn't true. Here is a perfect example of it. So one of the traits of a high value man is to be six feet tall or whatever it is supposed to be right? Well my most recent ex was an inch shorter than Mr. So that would make it impossible for him to get a girl under their theory wouldn't it? It's a bunch of nonsense.

[inhua]

your one personal experience is an outlier and doesn't disprove the norm. and there's other attractive factors involved including money, status, facial structure etc. which you have omitted from him. plus he's your ex, not your current boyfriend. that's all is needed

[_Maya_]

Why are you always so bitter? Do you have nothing better to do with your life other than bitch all the time? You're moodier than the girls you constantly hate on. It's sad. Who cares if he's me ex? I still dated him didn't I? He had no money. or status. We were in college. So there. Not omitted. Just look at your opinion and basically all of them. I've never seen someone that just complains how unfair it is than you. Like that's all you do on this site. You don't help anyone here. You don't give advice. All you do is constantly complain.

[inhua]

stating facts is not complaining nor is it hating. know the difference

you think your one example debunks the whole thing when it doesn't

but let's forget about his facial structure

[BarryLiverstone]

You don’t state facts, you state half truths that apply to the narrative.

[_Maya_]

Okay so he was good looking. Are you now omitting the things you said yourself? He had no money. Not tall. No status.

Also you aren't stating facts. Those are your opinions. Facts come from an accredited source that has done a study on the matter.

[inhua]

I already mentioned facial structure. you glossed over that

there's plenty of studies to prove such. even without studies one can simply observe the actions rather than listen to the words of what people say

[_Maya_]

So where are your sources?

[inhua]

where do we start? how about the fact humanity has far more female ancestors than male ancestors? this means there were large numbers of men who didn't reproduce and there was no birth control back then

psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

www.theguardian.com/.../women-men-dna-human-gene-pool

www.livescience.com/...thers-in-human-history.html

now let's go through individual factors starting with height

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG05ePWRQE

www.eviemagazine.com/.../only-15-women-interest-58-men-dating-apps-according-survey

now let's take a peek at physical attractiveness

www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html

www.reddit.com/media

now how about bullying and dominance? we know girls love their bad boys

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...-research-suggests.html

even if those bad boys are flat-out criminals

www.magellantv.com/.../research-reveals-why-women-love-true-crime

the 80/20 rule can be further solidified with this graph



money and status speak for themselves

this is only just scratching the surface when I can still bring up the atomic blackpill where women get catfished by hot men with profile texts describing a criminal past. Ted Bundy, Jeremy Meeks, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Cameron Herrin and plenty of criminals are further examples of such

and of course I can show pictures of really unattractive guys who are ugly, short, broke, disabled whom no woman would want to exist e. g. Joseph Merrick the Elephant Man

fact of the matter is good looks is preferred more over ugly looks, taller height is preferred over shorter height, more money over less money, the list goes on. a man with most if not all these qualities falls into the top 20%. movie stars, athletes and rappers are well known for attracting large numbers of women. no matter how much you might want to bash those women as whores or gold-diggers, they are still women at the end of the day

[BarryLiverstone]

She asked for sources. If you can’t cite actual sources then don’t bother responding. You can copy and paste links to real sources. Not just use your own words

[LazerBean]

Because they are weak, and weak people never like to consider that that are the cause of their own problems.

[BarryLiverstone]

Do some research on red pill men. There is a toxic movement that’s anti-women trying to victimize men and use false statistics to trick guys into paying for things. It’s dishonest marketing and the source of all you are seeing

[inhua]

red-pill isn't a movement. nor is it anti-women. nor does it promote victimization. it's the truth of how the world really works.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s a movement. It hasn’t always been so popular and now it’s becoming mainstream. There is a reason why that’s the case.

It is anti-women and shows men as victims. The “stats” often cited tell guys only the minority can succeed. They show women as being manipulative and cunning. They try to put women into a box and only value women under 30 years old.

Tell me the truth

[inhua]

if it was a movement, they'd be trying to change laws. it's about spreading awareness in which there's nothing wrong with it

[ It hasn’t always been so popular and now it’s becoming mainstream ]

it's hasn't been popular because feminists kept silencing men's issues and now ignoring men's issues is beginning to have consequences for society. go figure

just because the facts don't paint women in a good light doesn't make it anti-women. if anything it normalizes women to be the same as men. not sweet angels who can do no wrong

when men overwhelming are losing in divorce courts, MeToo cases, domestic abuse, suicide rates, reproductive rights, workplace fatalities, homelessness while these issues are being largely ignored by society and even silenced, then tell me is this victimhood? or maybe there are things that need addressing in society

[ They show women as being manipulative and cunning ]

because women are helpless damsels in distress who don't know how to play men such as you like a puppet

you want the truth? this is the truth

your only truth comes from the mainstream liberals news media and how they paint anything that dares to question the validity of feminism and liberalism as sexist and misogynistic

[BarryLiverstone]

That’s a load of BS

The truth is we are all created by God. Men and women struggle to live and we all make mistakes. Both manipulate and both sin. But somehow we form relationships and make babies. Not just 20%

[inhua]

it's only BS because it goes against your narrative and you deeply want facts you don't like to be regarded as hate speech

[ Not just 20% ]

history says otherwise

humanity has far more female ancestors than male ancestors. this means a vast majority of men throughout history didn't reproduce or had sex and there was no birth control back then

yes God did create both men and women. men however are disposal in society. women are not thus the world was built to placate to women first and men are a potential side-effect

[BarryLiverstone]

You just lied to me. Never once did I say hate speech.

Please apologize for lying

[inhua]

your "anti-women" stance says otherwise

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s a reasonable request. If you decide not to apologize for lying to me then we are done. You decide as I am applying a healthy boundary

[inhua]

it's only a "reasonable" request because you would rather argue the semantics of a point rather than address the actual point itself

maybe you should request for an apology for me not using the right wording instead of flat-out accusing me of lying but I doubt you would apologize for accusing me of lying

[BarryLiverstone]

Peace out

[Interestedperson54]

It’s sort of true, top 20% can jump from girl to girl no problem, so they don’t worry about commitment or cheating. Mid pack guys can still pull girls but they’re more cautious. The bottom 20% has a lot of trouble.

[BigDog1989]

I mean it's called self depreciating. They're essentially trying to make her feel bad

[inhua]

making who feel bad?

[gothbxtch]

it’s really stupid